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Title: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Shockeye on August 11, 2005, 03:08:35 PM
Quote from: AP
Review: New Blank Keyboard for Geeks Only (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1029304&page=1)

Product Review: New Blank Das Keyboard for Uber-Users Only; Comfortable, but Takes Getting Used To

By MATT SLAGLE

The Associated Press

DALLAS Aug 11, 2005 — Typing on a Das Keyboard is a lot like typing on any other computer keyboard except the keys are blank. Most people, especially those who rely on the slow but steady hunt-and-peck technique, might consider that a problem.

Not Daniel Guermeur, chief executive of Austin-based Metadot Corp. The self-proclaimed "uber geek" says he first came up with the idea for a blank keyboard while attending Stanford University in 1989. It was there that the French native noticed others typing much faster than he was.

"I was an OK typist but I was slowing down when I looked at the special characters," said Guermeur, 41. "One day I said, `If I could just improve my typing I could be much more efficient.'"

Two years ago, he built a prototype to test his hypothesis that a blank keyboard would force him to become a better typist. After many people asked him where he bought it, he decided to start making them commercially.

And recently, Guermeur began selling the keyboards for $80 with a new marketing spin: "Das Keyboard. Uber Geeks only."

For those needing a foreign language primer, "das" means "the" in German, and the name has to do with the fact that it's intended for "uber" (roughly translated to "super" in German) computer pros.

"People willing to buy this are total geeks," says Guermeur, a former tech manager for oil field services company Schlumberger Ltd. "The creme of the geeks."

The black, enhanced USB keyboard has 104 keys all of them blank in a wedge-shaped design reminiscent of the fabled IBM Model M, a keyboard with spring-loaded, clicking keys considered by some to be the greatest keyboard ever built.

As a reporter, my fingers are pretty much glued to the keyboard anyway, so I figured using Das Keyboard for a week would be a minor adjustment.

It is indeed comfortable to use, with five different key weights designed to keep the fingers nimble. The space bar, for example, requires slightly more effort to press than a quick tap of the "c" key.

I've found I don't look down at the keys as much as I thought I would. Yet I still keep a normal keyboard nearby. (Apparently I need more practice before I reach uber status. Certain keys still give me occasional problems, among them the apostrophe, the colon and the squiggly bracket.

My office colleagues remain largely unconvinced.

The conversation usually goes something like this: I say, "Hey fellow worker, look at this new keyboard I'm testing out."

They look down and the expanse of empty black squares, shrivel their nose and ask incredulously, "Why?"

I tell them by using it, I'm showing how cool and smart I am. Then they walk away, shaking their heads (whether it's in humor, befuddlement or jealousy, I can't really tell).

I left Das Keyboard connected to an office PC shared with others. (It's compatible with Windows, Mac OS X and Linux operating systems.)

Sure enough, the next day Das Keyboard had been unplugged in favor of a standard keyboard.

A popular observation: Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a normal keyboard and either strip off the markings or give it a quick coat of spray paint?

"You could do it," Guermeur concedes, "but it's a pain in the butt to do that, a major pain. Also the paint would wear off eventually."

It might seem a gimmick, but Guermeur maintains Das Keyboard is an invention rooted in logic.

"If you look at a piano, it doesn't have notes on the keys, it's blank," he says. "Writing letters seems like a good help but actually it's not. It's counterintuitive, actually."

On the Net:

http://www.daskeyboard.com

(http://www.daskeyboard.com/images/face-profile.jpg)


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Margalis on August 11, 2005, 03:44:01 PM
Wow, that Piano analogy is awful. Piano keys are color coded, have distinct height and spacing pattern, and repeat in sets of 12 or whatever.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: stray on August 11, 2005, 03:47:32 PM
Lets not forget how much the ear plays a part in the whole "music" thing. "C" on a piano is a distinct noise. "C" on a computer keyboard...Not so much.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Signe on August 11, 2005, 04:09:08 PM
Yeah, someone sent me an email on this thing and asked what I thought.  I emailed this back to them:

(http://www.geocities.com/arewealmost/donkeycart.jpg)

I don't know why.  Sometimes I do the first thing that pops into my head.





Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Samwise on August 11, 2005, 04:20:12 PM
Wasn't Schild getting one of those? (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=3926.msg98327#msg98327)


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: schild on August 11, 2005, 04:23:04 PM
Has a windows key.

So...

No.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Paelos on August 11, 2005, 04:42:23 PM
Since when does something being geeky mean pointlessly annoying and tedious?

And I mean besides Star Trek.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: schild on August 11, 2005, 04:43:11 PM
I take that back, I would buy one if Peter Murphy signed it with the blood of a goat.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Samwise on August 11, 2005, 04:44:04 PM
Can't you just pry the Windows key off or something?


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: schild on August 11, 2005, 04:49:59 PM
Can't you just pry the Windows key off or something?

Not good enough. I need it removed as if it never existed. It's not because I'm bashing Windows mind you. I love Windows. I just hate how that key minimizes whatever game you're playing and I always hit it. I use EVERY key around that area of the keyboard with any game that lets me remap.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Krakrok on August 11, 2005, 05:03:40 PM
That's not geek, that's nerd.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Shockeye on August 11, 2005, 05:10:30 PM
Holy shit I need one of these. Now. (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1846966,00.asp)

(http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/11/0,1425,i=111584,00.jpg)


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Margalis on August 11, 2005, 08:41:29 PM
You know you can disable the windows key right? It's some registry thing you can set. That was a popular thing to do in FFXI since it uses both the Ctrl and Alt keys.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Sky on August 12, 2005, 07:09:52 AM
I've removed the windows, menu, and caps lock key off my keyboard. Problem solved in a couple easy steps.

I'm still most interested in that keyboard with LCD screen keys. Too bad it'll draw too much power to be wireless.

Stuck with logitech's set imo.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: HaemishM on August 12, 2005, 08:27:22 AM
Since when does something being geeky mean pointlessly annoying and tedious?

And I mean besides Star Trek.

Linux.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Yegolev on August 12, 2005, 08:53:32 AM
Schlumberger bought some of the servers I built.  That's geeky.  Blank keys are dumb.  Just don't look down.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Paelos on August 12, 2005, 09:12:20 AM
Since when does something being geeky mean pointlessly annoying and tedious?

And I mean besides Star Trek.

Linux.

Ah! Touche, sir.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Sky on August 12, 2005, 09:38:08 AM
Am I the only one who pronounces that word with a 'D'?


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Signe on August 12, 2005, 09:48:41 AM
Am I the only one who pronounces that word with a 'D'?

What word?  Touche?  Linux?  Word?


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Sky on August 12, 2005, 11:45:24 AM
Doo-shay.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Fargull on August 12, 2005, 11:52:30 AM
Doo-shay.

Isn't that vaginal?


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: AOFanboi on August 12, 2005, 12:27:57 PM
What is it with the Windows key hate? My Windows use would slow to a crawl without Windows-D and Windows-E. Perhaps even the occasional Windows-R.

Then again, if it wasn't for games I would be running SuSE or the like.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Trippy on August 12, 2005, 01:39:43 PM
What is it with the Windows key hate? My Windows use would slow to a crawl without Windows-D and Windows-E. Perhaps even the occasional Windows-R.
It wouldn't be so bad if there weren't still 3D games that complain violently (i.e. they crash or lockup) if you try and switch out of them (e.g. using Alt-Tab or the Windows key).


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Hanzii on August 12, 2005, 02:03:24 PM
Don't forget who pointed this out to Schild in the first place. (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=3926.msg98325#msg98325).
I got mine the day before yesterday - I unpacked it and promptly gave it to the one guy at the office who still used his IBM keyboard. Fun, but ultimately stupid.
I use a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard, which roughly costs the same as Das Keyboard (at least over here) and still the importer said, that they were flying off the shelves.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: tazelbain on August 12, 2005, 02:16:09 PM
I was thinking about something like this, because looking at the keyboard is a crutch I just can't seem to get over. I know where the keys are. I just can't stop looking. The key weight stuff seems useless.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Samwise on August 12, 2005, 02:27:04 PM
What is it with the Windows key hate? My Windows use would slow to a crawl without Windows-D and Windows-E. Perhaps even the occasional Windows-R.
It wouldn't be so bad if there weren't still 3D games that complain violently (i.e. they crash or lockup) if you try and switch out of them (e.g. using Alt-Tab or the Windows key).

There are apparently keyboards coming out now that let you "lock" the Windows key when in fullscreen mode, which sounds pretty damn handy.  (It's also possible for the game itself to intercept commands like that, but almost none of them do.)


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Big Gulp on August 13, 2005, 06:47:14 AM
I was thinking about something like this, because looking at the keyboard is a crutch I just can't seem to get over. I know where the keys are. I just can't stop looking. The key weight stuff seems useless.

My best friend is just like you.  He refuses, and I mean refuses, to get used to the home row.  He's a hunt and pecker, but he's a fairly decent hunt and pecker.  He's always bitched about not being able to type, and I've tried to help him out with a number of things; typing tutorials, typing of the dead, etc.  Nothing's worked.  This would probably do the trick unless he just snapped and went out to buy a new keyboard.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Signe on August 13, 2005, 07:19:12 AM
I can type with my feet.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Calantus on August 13, 2005, 08:48:47 AM
My keyboard has 2 windows keys. I just disable the left one so I don't get sent to desktop during a PVP battle in WoW when trying to hit my left alt key. So I can have my cake (not being sent to desktop randomly) and eat it too (still having a windows key).


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: schmoo on August 13, 2005, 06:56:51 PM
I can type with my feet.

So can my cat.  What's your point?

I disabled my Windows key long ago, along with the capslock key (no more accidently yelling in MMOG chat, thank you).  I am vaguely aware that the Windows key actually does something more or less useful, but I have no idea what, and in any case I don't miss whatever it is.

I kind of like the idea of a keyboard with blank keys, but I'm sure I'd look at it anyway, because I can get the same effect by taking out my contacts and I still look even though all I can see is a darkish blur on the keycaps.

I did learn to type correctly in high school.  I got into the habit of looking at the keys while programming, and never got out of it.



Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: MahrinSkel on August 13, 2005, 10:15:19 PM
I started out as a hunt and peck typist, and just eventually reached the point where I rarely had to look at the keyboard (while typing at around 60-80 WPM).  But I still type with just my index and middle fingers (ring finger of my left hand for the 'a' key and shift, ring finger of the right for enter and backspace).  Big hands, especially on this laptop keyboard trying to touch-type properly would be an excercise in frustration, I can't keep all the fingers over the "home" keys without them being so jammed together so tight I can't move them independantly.

--Dave (typed this post while deliberately not looking, just to make sure I could)


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: schild on August 13, 2005, 10:25:58 PM
Those with fat hands have no choice but to get an IBM model M. Save yourself the drama. And sometimes the trauma.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Arnold on August 14, 2005, 01:32:24 AM
Lets not forget how much the ear plays a part in the whole "music" thing. "C" on a piano is a distinct noise. "C" on a computer keyboard...Not so much.

Umm, when you play a "C" on the piano, you hear a "C".  When you type a "C" on the keyboard, you see a "C" onscreen.  How is this different?  It isn't.  I think this keyboard is more comparable to a guitar neck though.  Sure, there are a few markers on the guiatar neck, but they don't tell you much, other than the number position.  When I am practicing learning the notes of the guitar neck, I purposefully look away or close my eyes so I cannot have a visiual reference, and it helps.  This keyboard does the same damn thing.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Strazos on August 14, 2005, 01:43:13 AM
One problem could be when you need to do encrypted passwords....You want to make sure you get it right, and not having the ability to look at the keys can suck...a lot.


Granted, I sort of hunt and peck...but I can still type at a decent speed while only looking at the screen. It's kinda fun to get into the "zone" while typing up a paper.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: stray on August 14, 2005, 08:12:48 AM
Lets not forget how much the ear plays a part in the whole "music" thing. "C" on a piano is a distinct noise. "C" on a computer keyboard...Not so much.

Umm, when you play a "C" on the piano, you hear a "C".  When you type a "C" on the keyboard, you see a "C" onscreen.  How is this different?  It isn't.  I think this keyboard is more comparable to a guitar neck though.  Sure, there are a few markers on the guiatar neck, but they don't tell you much, other than the number position.  When I am practicing learning the notes of the guitar neck, I purposefully look away or close my eyes so I cannot have a visiual reference, and it helps.  This keyboard does the same damn thing.

Yeah, I thought about that later. My bad. I just didn't give enough shit about this keyboard to post again.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Cheddar on August 14, 2005, 08:50:15 AM
But you just posted again Stray.  Ahhh I get it, mental warfare.   :hello_kitty:


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Sairon on August 14, 2005, 11:17:40 AM
Since we're talking keyboards http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: stray on August 14, 2005, 11:30:15 AM
But you just posted again Stray.  Ahhh I get it, mental warfare.   :hello_kitty:

Don't tempt me to do it again. I'm warning ya  :x


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Signe on August 14, 2005, 11:32:05 AM
It's a dumbass keyboard and the guy who thought it up is a dumbass.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Strazos on August 14, 2005, 04:12:52 PM
Which one?

The blank-buttoned one, or the pretty LCD-buttoned one?


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Signe on August 14, 2005, 04:42:12 PM
The blank one.  The other one is kind of cool because it has a DonKey but it's too thin for me.  I accidentally break thin things a lot.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Big Gulp on August 14, 2005, 05:45:12 PM
The blank one.  The other one is kind of cool because it has a DonKey but it's too thin for me.  I accidentally break thin things a lot.

That and it's not ergonomic.  My dream keyboard would be an ergonomic MS Natural style keyboard, but with the old IBM style clickity keys.

I doubt such a thing will ever come to pass, though.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: schild on August 14, 2005, 05:52:26 PM
The blank one.  The other one is kind of cool because it has a DonKey but it's too thin for me.  I accidentally break thin things a lot.

That and it's not ergonomic.  My dream keyboard would be an ergonomic MS Natural style keyboard, but with the old IBM style clickity keys.

I doubt such a thing will ever come to pass, though.

(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/_ebay/M15/M15-001.jpg)

Came out in 1995. I've seen a couple. They can be found on Ebay every now and then. It's fully ergonomic and adjustable. I do believe a small pressing was made in black, unless my eyes deceived me once, which isn't all that likely. I like the duotone grey stuff though.

By the way - the arrow keys on both the left and right are LUV.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Big Gulp on August 14, 2005, 06:00:08 PM
Came out in 1995. I've seen a couple.

Sweet fancy Moses!  Must own!  I checked all over that site that that jpeg came from but can't find that model listed anywhere there.  Any idea of the model nomenclature so I can either order it there or look on eBay?

ETA:  Besides M15, I mean.  Not sure if that would be the whole product number.  Just seems too simplistic a model number to me.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: schild on August 14, 2005, 06:11:38 PM
(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/_ebay/M15/M15-004.jpg)

Model M15 indeed.

If I come across one, and I'm always on the lookout for Model Ms, I'll put it aside for you. Right now I only have the silver, blue and black label ones. I need a white label, an ergonomic, and the monster of them all - the airline reservation one. Which I think they still make because our airline companies are prehi-fucking-storic.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: schild on August 14, 2005, 06:15:18 PM
Bad news:

Quote
Lexmark Select-ease (1428401) / IBM Options (13H6689) Model M15 split ergonomic keyboard. (Pictures). This is the best keyboard ever made. No other ergonomic keyboard approaches it in feel or quality. Despite overwhelming praise from owners and reviewers, the M15 keyboard was discontinued in about 1998. If you have one, it should be folded down the middle at a 90-degree angle or smaller, elevating the center, so that the palms of your hands rotate toward each other with thumbs up. Rotating the hands unnaturally with thumbs down to type on a flat keyboard leads to repetitive stress problems. The M15 is ultra-reliable. I have one that has been in regular use since 1995, and it still is in perfect condition. A possible source for a used M15 is Clicky Keyboards. I bought a second M15 from them in July 2005 for $450. They also sell a PS/2 to USB converter for IBM/Lexmark M keyboards for $15. Key Ovation's Goldtouch Ergonomic Keyboard looks like the M15 but uses the same, inferior, rubber dome keyswitches found on cheap keyboards instead of the M15's superior, buckling spring switches.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Typhon on August 15, 2005, 06:44:59 AM
M15 is what it's called?  I used one 10 years ago (someone with carpal tunnel apparently worked there before me, and left the keyboard).  It is, indeed, the shit... not $450 worth of shit, mind you, but damn good nonetheless.

I'm getting the other companies keyboard, I'll let you know if it's any good. (https://www.keyovation.com/buyonline/purchase/pc-36-1-gtu0077-goldtouch-ergonomic-keyboard-black-usb.aspx <-- too stoopid to know how to make a clicky)


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: stray on August 15, 2005, 08:23:15 AM
I had no idea that people cared about keyboards so much.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Merusk on August 15, 2005, 09:02:41 AM
I had no idea that people cared about keyboards so much.

You obviously never used a 'clicky' keyboard.  I do miss them terribly, even though my office is a much quieter place now.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 15, 2005, 10:17:18 AM
I started out as a hunt and peck typist, and just eventually reached the point where I rarely had to look at the keyboard (while typing at around 60-80 WPM).  But I still type with just my index and middle fingers (ring finger of my left hand for the 'a' key and shift, ring finger of the right for enter and backspace).  Big hands, especially on this laptop keyboard trying to touch-type properly would be an excercise in frustration, I can't keep all the fingers over the "home" keys without them being so jammed together so tight I can't move them independantly.

--Dave (typed this post while deliberately not looking, just to make sure I could)

Same boat. Started as a hunt and pecker (heh), but I can now type at a reasonable pace without looking at the keyboard. I use about 3 fingers per hand, and my left thumb for the space bar. My hands aren't giant, but I have all kinds of trouble typing on a flat keyboard- I was forced to use an ergo board at work 5 years ago, and now can't live without it. Bought one for home use too. Typing on a laptop is even worse...ugh.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Sky on August 15, 2005, 10:48:41 AM
That Optimus is the keyboard I was referring to, it rocks (I mistakenly said LCD, it's OLED). How cool would it be to have no spell/skill hotbars onscreen, but have the icons on the keyboard itself, backlit?


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Furiously on August 15, 2005, 03:05:07 PM
I just miss my IBM PC keyboard. That thing was a tank.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Sky on August 15, 2005, 04:13:23 PM
I had only used a single Tandy keyboard, based on the old IBM board, from 1993 until last year when I needed a wireless keyboard, on my main pc. They are the best keyboards made thus far, imo. If I were a /real/ geek, I'd find a way to put the wireless circuitry from my wireless keyboard into the old warhorse...


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Morfiend on August 16, 2005, 12:06:04 AM
I have this (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/gamerskey.htm) and I love it. Took a little getting used to with the non-raised keys, but it really does make a difference over long hours of gaming. Now if I could just learn to spell...


*edit* oh yeah, the LED on it blows. But I just turn it off.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Shockeye on August 25, 2005, 12:10:26 PM
Yes, please. (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1851654,00.asp)

(http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/10/0,1425,sz=1&i=104960,00.jpg)


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Murgos on August 25, 2005, 12:29:57 PM
Can I just get the left hand pad as a seperate item?  Wireless would be appreciated.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Pococurante on August 25, 2005, 12:54:01 PM
Yes, please. (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1851654,00.asp)

Quote
The first thing we ever did with this keyboard was type on it. And at that very instant, we liked it much better than our standard keyboard we use every day. The most noticeable difference is the keys. They are soft, quiet, and have the feel of a high-end keyboard. Have you ever heard of anything more annoying than someone typing away on a keyboard so loud that it may as well be a typewriter? Well, compared with the Wolf Claw, our old keyboards sound like typewriters.

Some people do prefer more audible keys over soft and quiet keys, however. For those hacker types out there where the rhythm of their keystrokes are music to their ears, simply hit the keys harder and sing some backing vocals.


Smart asses. :P  Rats I was all gungho until I read the above paragraph,  I need that aural/tactile feedback, and humming Oh Canada on team chat ain't gonna cut it.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Typhon on August 30, 2005, 04:04:50 AM
I'm getting the other companies keyboard, I'll let you know if it's any good. (https://www.keyovation.com/buyonline/purchase/pc-36-1-gtu0077-goldtouch-ergonomic-keyboard-black-usb.aspx <-- too stoopid to know how to make a clicky)

I like it, mostly for the form factor (I play with a n52 and have a seperate keypad that I used to play with before the n50/n52, so I don't need an attached keypad), it allows mouse and n52 to be closer together. 

key action is decent, although the press distance is a bit deep.  Spacebars action is very good (was an issue with the m15).  no, it's not clickly. 
keyboard split angle is limited to about 30 degrees. 
center elevation has greater range.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Miasma on September 09, 2005, 12:03:28 PM
Ergodex DX1 (http://www.ergodex.com/content.php?id=12)

It is reviewed in October's Maximum PC, you can put the keys wherever you like and program them however you like.  They even used it with World of Warcraft.

And if you don't glue on the labels, it is also as geeky as the Das Keyboard.

(http://www.ergodex.com/images/Movietemplatenoflash_02.jpg)
(http://www.ergodex.com/images/Movietemplatenoflash_09.jpg)


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Surlyboi on September 19, 2005, 08:04:15 AM
I picked this one (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/eclipse.htm) up the other day. My girlfriend keeps asking me when I'm gonna get ground effects on my case now...



Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: schild on September 19, 2005, 08:05:53 AM
I hate the shape of most of the Saitek stuff. It's good hardware, but what's with those corners? There's nothing clean about the lines on it. It's trying to be all industrial looking and fails.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Surlyboi on September 19, 2005, 08:27:43 AM
True on the industrial design. If I thought it wouldn't potentially fuck up my precious, precious backlighting, I'd saw the fucking knobby corners off, sand 'em down and cover the ends with duct tape.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Sky on September 19, 2005, 12:29:29 PM
I hate the shape of most of the Saitek stuff. It's good hardware, but what's with those corners? There's nothing clean about the lines on it. It's trying to be all industrial looking and fails.
This is the fun part about opinions. I'd love to have those knobby corners, I drop my logitech board all the time (grabbing it off the coffee table or putting it back) because it's too smooth. I need more to grab onto.

With LED, the battery life for a wireless version shouldn't be half bad, especially if you split the circuits so you had a seperate battery set for the LEDs and wireless keyboard.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Shockeye on September 20, 2005, 02:32:57 PM
I love the <Montalban> Real Corinthian Leather</Montalban> wrist rest built into my Microsoft keyboard. I wish they newfangled keyboards had something as comfortable.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Viin on February 01, 2006, 12:21:09 PM
Just got an email about the Optimus keyboard. They now have a 3 key pad with LCD buttons for sale for $100:

http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus-mini/

Not suppose to get prototypes for the full version until end of the year and production next year.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: schild on February 01, 2006, 12:22:28 PM
If the 3 button one is $100, logic would point to the 104 key one costing roughly $3200. Cell phones are expensive in Russia.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: SurfD on February 03, 2006, 12:33:41 AM
Logitech has a pretty sweet Gameing Keyboard (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/CA/EN,CRID=2166,CONTENTID=10717) out now:

(http://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/7682.jpg)


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: HaemishM on February 03, 2006, 07:39:36 AM
Poptart uses that one and loves it.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Viin on February 03, 2006, 07:50:28 AM
$80 for that keyboard isn't too bad. I like the backlit keys. I'll have to check it out at Best Buy or somethin' and see if it's be worthwhile or not. I really just need a dedicated PANIC button for EVE when I need to get away from a pirate in a hurry.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: MisterNoisy on February 03, 2006, 08:05:21 AM
$80 for that keyboard isn't too bad. I like the backlit keys. I'll have to check it out at Best Buy or somethin' and see if it's be worthwhile or not. I really just need a dedicated PANIC button for EVE when I need to get away from a pirate in a hurry.

Macro keys to the rescue!  I've only just started fiddling around with it, but the LCD display is fairly customizable too, via LCD Studio or the SDK.  More info here (http://www.g15forums.com/forum/index.php).


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: Sairon on February 03, 2006, 08:30:29 AM
Quote
System Requirements
• PC with Pentium® processor or compatible
• Windows® XP
• 256 MB RAM
• 20 MB of available hard disk space
• CD-ROM drive
• USB port
• Logitech® GamePanel™ LCD requires software that supports GamePanel technology. > Learn More

Brutal requirements for a keyboard. I'm no expert but I'm guessing this sucker is eating away on precious system resources.


Title: Re: Are you geek enough for it?
Post by: schild on February 03, 2006, 10:39:40 AM
Gonna stick with my model M.