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Title: BF2: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Hanzii on July 23, 2005, 03:30:19 PM
Distinguished Service Medal
· 3000 Global Hours as a Commander
· 2000 Global Hours as a Squad Leader
· 2000 Global Hours as Squad Member
· Player Score of 53 in 1 Round (Total score in far left column of
Scoreboard)

7000 hours played? I'll be on Battlefield 3 by then... (http://ubar.phusion9.com/)

This place is fun too, (http://bf2s.com/player/Hanzii/) especially when it calculates, that I'll see my next unlock in 297 days...


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: stray on July 23, 2005, 03:49:40 PM
64 days for me (Lance Corporal now).

It says I haven't played since July 9, 2005, 1:18 pm. I'd probably be very close to ranking up if I had kept with the same catassing pace that I had when I started out.

Enrollment Date: June 30, 2005, 2:28 am

Total time played: 1d 10h 23m 21s


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Merusk on July 23, 2005, 06:38:56 PM
291 days played....  that's fucking insane.

I played EQ for 5 years, and I did some bigtime catassing there.  If I total the /played days on ALL my characters in that 5 years I may have hit 9 months. 7000 hours is 3.8 hours a day, Every day for 5 years.

to repeat: fucking insane.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Big Gulp on July 23, 2005, 06:54:33 PM
291 days played....  that's fucking insane.

I played EQ for 5 years, and I did some bigtime catassing there.  If I total the /played days on ALL my characters in that 5 years I may have hit 9 months. 7000 hours is 3.8 hours a day, Every day for 5 years.

to repeat: fucking insane.

Yeah, it really is absurd.  By the time someone gets to that point the goddamned sequel will have already been out for a couple of years.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: stray on July 23, 2005, 10:59:09 PM
And you can't even eBay your characters off at that  :-P

At least in EQ you can make a profit off of your catassing. What do I get here?

Weapon unlocks.

Mmmm...k. I'll just make seven different profiles and unlock a new weapon for each one. It's quicker that way.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Trippy on July 24, 2005, 12:51:46 AM
And you can't even eBay your characters off at that  :-P

At least in EQ you can make a profit off of your catassing. What do I get here?

Weapon unlocks.

Mmmm...k. I'll just make seven different profiles and unlock a new weapon for each one. It's quicker that way.
Rank is important if you like to command -- the highest ranking player that applies for the Commander position automatically gets it.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Comstar on July 24, 2005, 01:04:32 AM
I would expect if you ever get that medel, the producers of the game hire you as a full time QA dev....


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on July 24, 2005, 10:51:40 PM
It seems most people don't like commanding.

It also seems most people don't like joining squads.

Luckily I've found a nice server where you get kicked if you bunnyhop or don't join one.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Trippy on July 24, 2005, 11:16:19 PM
It seems most people don't like commanding.
Yeah it's a thankless job made even more difficult by the painful UI and the negative points you get for TKing people with artillary. It's hard enough as a SL trying to get your squad to follow your orders -- as commander it's like trying to herd cats around on the map.

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It also seems most people don't like joining squads.
This I don't understand. Even if you want to do the solo thing, by joining a squad (and ignoring orders) you at least can get an extra spawn point at times and if you make your own one person squad and lock it you can request supply drops (very useful as a Special Forces blowing up stuff behind enemy lines) and arty strikes from the commander.

Edit: fixed stuff


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: stray on July 24, 2005, 11:23:44 PM
I like joining squads, but I haven't lately (actually I haven't played at all lately either). The only thing worse than reading the random shit talking on chat is to hear it on VOIP.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Trippy on July 24, 2005, 11:26:23 PM
I like joining squads, but I haven't lately (actually I haven't played at all lately either). The only thing worse than reading the random shit talking on chat is to hear it on VOIP.
You can always mute them if they are annoying you.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: stray on July 24, 2005, 11:29:28 PM
Actually it's not even just the shit talking that annoys me. It's the just the idea of hearing them period.

Anyways, it's just a gripe. I know about mute  :lol:


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Hanzii on July 25, 2005, 02:44:10 AM
Actually it's not even just the shit talking that annoys me. It's the just the idea of hearing them period.

Anyways, it's just a gripe. I know about mute  :lol:

I've been playing a lot on TacticalGamer.com lately.

It's funny how the organization and use of voice makes it a completely different game (if you don't join a squad and folow orders, they kick you). It's so much better. On the other hand actually hearing the voice of some fat american saying "huhu, ya sure did kill him gud!" and "everybody spawn on me" at the same time takes away the feeling of battlefield realism...
But it's worth it, even though my ranking goes from always top 10 on normal servers to bottom 20 on these servers.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Sky on July 26, 2005, 03:14:03 PM
Next Rank: Lance Corporal
Global score: 697 / 1,000
At your current rate, you should earn 303 in 10.32 days (or 4h 59m 53s straight).
69.70%

Next Rank: Corporal
Global score: 697 / 10,500
At your current rate, you should earn 9,803 in 333.98 days (or 6d 17h 42m 40s straight).
6.64%

Next Rank: Sergeant
Global score: 697 / 25,000
At your current rate, you should earn 24,303 in 827.99 days (or 2w 2d 16h 54m 16s straight).
2.79%


Riiight...


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Merusk on July 26, 2005, 05:32:51 PM
This grind DOES explain why I'm starting to see servers with 'global  unlocks' enabled rather than disabled, however.  People starting to wake-up and realize it's rather a lot of bullshit.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Lemming on July 26, 2005, 07:00:35 PM
I can't get that Ubar site to load up.  Anyone know of a place that tells you exactly how to get medals?  My friend just got himself a purple heart by doing nothing but being a walking bullet magnet and I'm jealous as hell.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Nazrat on July 26, 2005, 07:19:30 PM
Purple heart is a 1:4 kill to death ratio.  Nothing to brag about.  Yes, I have one.   :-P


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Merusk on July 26, 2005, 08:08:39 PM
Purple heart is a 1:4 kill to death ratio.  Nothing to brag about.  Yes, I have one.   :-P

Hey I don't. I'm jealous. I'm not good enough to get some spiffy medals, but I don't suck enough to get one either? I'm dissapointed.. headlong charges into enemy fire, here I come.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Trippy on August 02, 2005, 07:10:42 AM
291 days played....  that's fucking insane.

I played EQ for 5 years, and I did some bigtime catassing there.  If I total the /played days on ALL my characters in that 5 years I may have hit 9 months. 7000 hours is 3.8 hours a day, Every day for 5 years.

to repeat: fucking insane.
There are some serious catasses playing right now, though. The top 10 players are averaging around 280 hours played and the game has only been out for 42 days so that's an average of around 7 hours a day. The biggest catass (http://bf2s.com/player/44420550/) of them all has logged almost 457 hours so far.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Merusk on August 02, 2005, 10:03:49 AM
You made my brain bleed.  You know that, don't you?


Oh, and I got my purple heart, finally.  It seems you have to do the 4:1 thing in one round.. so I just killed a few guys then spent the rest of the round bum rushing the opfor and getting chewed-up.   I'm a medal whore.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: schild on August 02, 2005, 10:16:44 AM
Medal Whore, Catass, Poopsocker, Lewt Whore, Munchkin - all different members of the same family.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Toast on August 02, 2005, 10:35:42 AM
Medal Whore, Catass, Poopsocker, Lewt Whore, Munchkin - all different members of the same family.

The medal whore thing is more like "gotta catch em all". Many medals don't require a time investment. They just require focused effort, ie "I'm going to use nothing but my knife until I get the basic badge/medal".

Many medals are designed with the long run in mind. I played the earlier BF games casually for years, so eventually I could get some of the crazy medals without catassing.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Sky on August 02, 2005, 11:44:56 AM
I think it's silly the way people see getting these extra perqs as mandatory. I like to look at it almost like an rpg, the awards and stats are the natural outgrowth of me playing the game, I don't alter the way I play just to get them. That's silly. There's a war on, for crisssakes, and everyone seems to be Klinger from MASH.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Miasma on August 02, 2005, 11:52:24 AM
Medal Whore, Catass, Poopsocker, Lewt Whore, Munchkin - all different members of the same family.

The medal whore thing is more like "gotta catch em all". Many medals don't require a time investment. They just require focused effort, ie "I'm going to use nothing but my knife until I get the basic badge/medal".

Many medals are designed with the long run in mind. I played the earlier BF games casually for years, so eventually I could get some of the crazy medals without catassing.
Most of the medals (http://www.totalbf2.com/strategy/medals/) seem to want about 3000 hours played in a certain way (like in an airplane).  That's 125 full 24 hour days /played.  Madness.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Merusk on August 02, 2005, 05:14:07 PM
I revise my 'medal whore' comment to 'badge whore' then. I've managed to get some silver, gold and bronze stars (which is easy, even if you suck.  Find a 16-man server and actually do objectives or command instead of playing it like a deathmatch like so many others do.)  and a few kit badges.  Those are all fairly easy to get.. fuck the medal shit after I read that page.  Holy hell.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on August 03, 2005, 08:13:12 AM
Yea - they really have not made anything skill based - It's mostly just time based.

3000 hrs = 125 days = not going to ever get a single one.

Heck - given my growing lack of patience with dealing with the asstards gaming the game, I'll be lucky to unlock my 2nd weapon. Although sniping helo pilots sounds like a lot of fun.



Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Sky on August 03, 2005, 08:54:15 AM
It's only a matter of time before ranked servers wilt in popularity as people realize the sheer catassery involved (not to mention the rank whoring effect on gameplay) and start looking for unlocked servers. I like having the stat tracking, just to see how I'm doing for my own personal benefit, I like to get better, play stealthier, etc. Not for the stats, but just some gauge of how I'm doing/improving.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Toast on August 03, 2005, 09:02:04 AM
The ranked servers are bittersweet. I really like the sense of urgency that comes with knowing that everything I do goes on my "permanent record".

It really sucks when I log on and can't get anything going. A round with more deaths than kills, a loss, and a low global score makes stat jesus cry.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on August 03, 2005, 09:05:06 AM
I agree Sky, I thought I sucked when I started, and my kill to death ratio was about 1:2, it's closer to 1:1 now, but really, I have yet to see a character that consistantly gets a ton more kills then deaths as infantry.

I had the worst helo pilot yesterday - they would turn the helo so you couldn't hit the grunts on the ground and just cap flags. I think I died 4 times in a row and just gave up. I should have moved into the back and started lobbing grenades.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Sky on August 03, 2005, 09:29:38 AM
I'm just a bit worse than 1:1 myself. In bf1942, I used to be a stone cold badass, though, with 10:1 not being uncommon k:d. It wasn't that I was just a good shot, I also used cover and tactics to avoid death as much as possible. 2+2=badass. Wish I still had those skills. I wonder how much playing on the big screen hurts my gameplay, I probably miss a lot of stuff.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Merusk on August 03, 2005, 09:36:17 AM
I had the worst helo pilot yesterday - they would turn the helo so you couldn't hit the grunts on the ground and just cap flags. I think I died 4 times in a row and just gave up. I should have moved into the back and started lobbing grenades.

Hey I think I had that same helo pilot as my Squad Leader!  The whole squad spawned on him and the dumbass wouldn't fly to unoccupied rear lines bases.  It was a beeline for the closest uncapped base, ignoring the red mass the UAV was showing.  As soon as we were in sight he'd spin around the flag while we were shot-up with AT rounds.  We died so fast we didn't even get a cap, yet he kept doing it, every death, every round, and the entire squad stuck with him.  ( Yes, I was a dumbass and stuck with him for about 4 deaths of that nature before joining another squad, but I watched them do it after that until the SL logged off.)


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Miasma on August 03, 2005, 11:06:12 AM
I had the worst helo pilot yesterday - they would turn the helo so you couldn't hit the grunts on the ground and just cap flags. I think I died 4 times in a row and just gave up. I should have moved into the back and started lobbing grenades.

Hey I think I had that same helo pilot as my Squad Leader!  The whole squad spawned on him and the dumbass wouldn't fly to unoccupied rear lines bases.  It was a beeline for the closest uncapped base, ignoring the red mass the UAV was showing.  As soon as we were in sight he'd spin around the flag while we were shot-up with AT rounds.  We died so fast we didn't even get a cap, yet he kept doing it, every death, every round, and the entire squad stuck with him.  ( Yes, I was a dumbass and stuck with him for about 4 deaths of that nature before joining another squad, but I watched them do it after that until the SL logged off.)
Me too! Either that or perhaps it just describes 75% of all pilots.

When I logged in I joined a squad to spawn with them, I appear at the heli pad with five others.  I had accidentally spawned into a flag hopping group.  I decided to stick with it and went medic because that was what they needed.  It worked really well on the FuShe pass map, I think that was the most points I have ever scored.  Our team also lost, probably because a full squad was contributing almost nothing to actually win the game.  Then the map changed to Dalian Plant, a flat wide-open map with nothing for a chopper to hide behind and lots of jets and AA.  The squad leader refused to change tactics, out of morbid curiosity I didn't leave (even after four deaths) just to find out when he would give up.

He never did, it was like he had no ability to learn from his mistakes.  I got the purple heart medal that round, you know the one where you have to die twenty times and only get five kills.

Quote from: Sky
I wonder how much playing on the big screen hurts my gameplay, I probably miss a lot of stuff.
I want to use a bigscreen eventually too, how do you use the keyboard and mouse on the couch though?  Are you hunched over a coffee table or do you have a more advanced equivalent of a tv tray?


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Sky on August 03, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
That's a pretty frequent question. I'll be putting together a guide to my system at some point, because I get a lot of questions...and everyone should be gaming on big, wide screens if they can afford it (ffs, I gave up BEER, my lifeblood, for 6 months to get my tv...and don't even regret it!).

I have a logitech wireless duo, I sit the keyboard in my lap. For the mouse, I have a nice firm pillow that I rest a 1/2" book on, the book dimensions are that of a generous mousepad, since it's an optical mouse, I forego the mousepad. My right arm just rests on the pillow. The coffee table is for foot and leg support as I recline in comfort :) Going to be getting new living room furniture sometime soon, will probably move to a recliner...and I'll be bringing in my keyb/m to test all the recliners in the store :)


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on August 04, 2005, 01:14:05 AM
Was playing with Wayabvpar tonight and this smacktard kept running into people with a carload of C4. So - he runs into my tank and kills me. (and himself). I think I killed him 5 times in a row leaving the base with my tank. He was doing it still after I got bored.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 04, 2005, 08:55:00 AM
How does that work, exactly? Does he still have to trigger the C4, or does the impact trigger it? The SOB was racking up tons of armor kills with it. I wonder if you could time jumping out of the car to save your life, but still get a kill?


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Merusk on August 04, 2005, 09:18:34 AM
How does that work, exactly? Does he still have to trigger the C4, or does the impact trigger it? The SOB was racking up tons of armor kills with it. I wonder if you could time jumping out of the car to save your life, but still get a kill?

You couldn't jump far enough from the car, I think.  C4 has a VERY nasty blast radius vs infantry.

As for the C4 on the vehicles, I think the vehicle triggers a secondary explosion of the C4. I could be wrong though.

Edit: Oh look.. I got a custom title. Just noticed that.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 04, 2005, 09:25:50 AM
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Edit: Oh look.. I got a custom title. Just noticed that.

I should give Furiously a title- last night I was prone on top of a building on the Sharqi Peninsula map, merrily blasting incoming troops with my LMG. I hear someone crawling near/on me, see a flash of the same camo pattern that I am wearing, hear a knife, and die. Then see "Furiously [Teamkills] WayAbvPar". I called him several names over TS  :x


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Miasma on August 04, 2005, 10:44:53 AM
I think the people that do the suicide vehicles are trying to get their basic explosives badge, they have no intention of surviving the blast, they just want to kill 13 other people.  Doesn't matter if they die dozens of times, or take out some of their own team.

I will do the same thing when I get bored one weekend.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on August 04, 2005, 12:39:56 PM
It took me like 5 server hops to get my parachute from a high altitute one last night. 

Then I jumped into a heli squad and somehow with only three people managed to get the unit ribbon.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Sky on August 04, 2005, 01:37:31 PM
Goddamned mmogtards!

 :evil:


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Miasma on August 04, 2005, 02:13:43 PM
Goddamned mmogtards!

 :evil:
But they make the badges, medals and ribbons so big and shiny.  The pictures are beautiful, how can you resist?
(http://www.planetbattlefield.com/bf2/game/awards/medals/awrd_1031619_1_big.jpg) (http://www.planetbattlefield.com/bf2/game/awards/medals/awrd_2191608_big.jpg) (http://www.planetbattlefield.com/bf2/game/awards/medals/awrd_3240102_big.jpg)

You can easily get that ribbon by just going to a server with 10/64 people, spawning at the airfield, flying the plane straight up, jumping out, pressing 9 for your parachute and wait ten seconds while you float down!

I swear I will stop playing the game - just as soon as I get all my badges.  And, and, and maybe that AA ribbon.  I can stop anytime I want, I swear!  Plus there are only 36 more days till my next ding, err I mean rank.  I need to get my K/D up too...


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on August 05, 2005, 08:40:08 AM
Squad looking for healer for Karkash instance!


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Miasma on August 05, 2005, 03:09:10 PM
The next expansion should have the factions' gods/prophets as encounters, ones in which you need the full 64 players to attack.  You could finally have a literal tank "tanking", say, Buddha.

You should also need to slog through a dungeon urban area to get there.

I also want to be able to craft my own ammo and ride a pretty horsey.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on August 07, 2005, 12:41:17 AM
I'd much rather have a pony.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Miasma on August 09, 2005, 11:49:56 AM
Another hardcore Korean (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050809/od_nm/korea_games_dc) drops dead after a fifty hour play session.  The article only says it was an "on-line battle simulation".  I'm just assuming it was BF2.

He was probably trying to get master sergeant.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Sky on August 09, 2005, 01:53:06 PM
Someone get a copy of Lineage II to Kim up north.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 15, 2005, 04:05:43 PM
Any of you catasses make Corporal yet? I am still 3700 points short I think. Holy mother of all grinds...


Did have a fun episode over the weekend- was playing MEC on the Sharqi Peninsula map (it was the one with the TV station- is that the right map?). We had capped the TV station, so I spawned as Special Forces and blew the arty and the radar/satellite stations (with a helicopter induced death inbetween). There were no more installations to blow, so I took the last 3 charge of C4  I had and strung it along the ridge (which seems to be the most often taken land route for folks coming to cap). That done, I climbed the ladder to the flag and waited. Sure enough, a minute or so later I caught a glimpse of movement on the ridge. I dropped prone, whipped out the detonator, then stood and touched off the c4. I was rewarded by the sight of an American troop rocketing into the sky, dead as Dillinger.

 Rag doll physics + high explosives = big fun.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Sky on August 15, 2005, 04:26:59 PM
I never made it to Lance Corporal, haven't played in weeks. As I've said, it pisses me off because it's one of the best games I've ever played.

I also like football, but I'm not going to play with a short bus full of helmeted, drooling 'special' kids.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Trippy on August 15, 2005, 11:32:44 PM
Any of you catasses make Corporal yet? I am still 3700 points short I think. Holy mother of all grinds...
I should be there soon. I'm at 10520 as a type this which means I should already be Corporal according to some sites but for some reason BF2 promotes you willy-nilly (if you look on the leaderboards you can see people with lower ranks with more points than people with higher ranks) so probably sometime this week I'll get it.

Edit: Well I got promoted during my first game tonight after waiting around for EA's POS account server to come back online. Yea me, I guess.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: stray on August 16, 2005, 12:04:44 AM
I burned myself out on it fairly quickly (didn't help that I only had one goal: Get the G3), so I've been taking a break for awhile now. So no, I haven't made Corporal yet. There really aren't any reasons or goals left for me to work towards, other than to have fun --- Problem is: There's a lot hassle to do even that. It also doesn't help that I only like a few of their maps.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Miasma on August 16, 2005, 07:53:41 AM
I stopped playing and uninstalled the game so that I couldn't easily start back up after a particularly frustrating session.  It's a very good game but I get way too pissed off playing it sometimes.

On an unrelated matter I found out that they sell these cool umbrella (http://doityourself.com/store/u434753.htm) things at home depot to easily spackle over moderate sized holes in drywall...


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on August 16, 2005, 08:05:20 AM
Odd - I would have figured the hole in the wall and battlefield 2 would have been related.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Merusk on August 16, 2005, 08:11:14 AM
On an unrelated matter I found out that they sell these cool umbrella (http://doityourself.com/store/u434753.htm) things at home depot to easily spackle over moderate sized holes in drywall...

You watch "Ask This Old House" don't you.  :-D


As for Corporal.. no I'm a long, long, long way from achieving that mark.  I still play BF2 fairly regularly, but I'm only like 3000 points into the Lance Corp. rank.  I don't do commander often, and I don't pilot often, so I wind-up an on-foot grunt getting low scores a lot of the time.  Sad for me. On the upside I got the Combat Action and Meritorius Unit ribbons and the Airborne badge the other day so my badge whoring is happy.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Toast on August 16, 2005, 08:41:16 AM
I took a hiatus from the game, but I returned for a few games last night. The point tracking has really raised the stakes for a competitive person. Frustration comes very quickly when I know that games go on my "permanent record".

The game needs some more maps. Half are unplayable to me because of unbalanced air power, so I play the same maps over and over.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 16, 2005, 09:18:01 AM
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The game needs some more maps. Half are unplayable to me because of unbalanced air power, so I play the same maps over and over.

Amen. I think the expansion will really help that. As it stands now, the only map I totally refuse to play is Gulf of Oman. Getting repeatedly raped by jet jockeys is just not that much fun. The other non-infantry maps (Dalian, Kubra, Wetlands, Dragon Valley, etc) all have enough armor to go around, or at least enough so I don't feel totally exposed. Having a lot of SAM sites (like Dragon Valley or Fushe Pass) also makes it more palatable- the pilots don't totally rule the skies when they are constantly having to dodge Stingers.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on August 16, 2005, 11:54:32 AM
I'd like to see some modified capture rules. Would be fun to see a fronted battle with only one flag being able to be captured at a time.

I'm personally waiting for a patch to balance things a bit more, and kill the cheating.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 16, 2005, 12:45:28 PM
Ideally they would fix the cheating and roll back all the ridiculously high global scores to 15000 or under. The wailing and gnashing of teeth that would occur would warm my cold, dead, little heart to no end.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on August 16, 2005, 01:08:30 PM
Ideally they would fix the cheating and roll back all the ridiculously high global scores to 15000 or under. The wailing and gnashing of teeth that would occur would warm my cold, dead, little heart to no end.

I would prefer they roll them back to 0 - or identify them with <cheater> over their heads and make them appear red to everyone.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Trippy on August 16, 2005, 05:06:00 PM
Ideally they would fix the cheating and roll back all the ridiculously high global scores to 15000 or under. The wailing and gnashing of teeth that would occur would warm my cold, dead, little heart to no end.
EA did a pretty good job early on resetting the scores on the blantant point abusers. Right now, if you look at the stats of the leaders (http://bf2s.com/) a few things are apparent:

  • They all play *a lot* (around 400 hours)
  • Tank/armor whoring is the way to go to make the leaderboard. 11 of the top 15 have a substantial number of kills from being in armor and 3 of the top 15 have virtually all their kills from driving armor (the Armor/Eng combo).
  • Medics are very popular (about half the top 15)
  • They all have high, but not unreasonably high, "points per minute" scores. I'm averaging about 100 points per hour right now while these guys are in the 150 - 200 range, which is high but not unreasonably so (at least compared to my playstyle) since I don't tank whore and I play low scoring classes (Sniper, Spec Ops, Engineer) between bouts of Medic whoring.

The only real odd player in the top 15 is NASTIE_BUTLER who has 21K driver points from flying around in a Helo as a Medic. Most of the others fall into the Medic/Armor or Armor/Eng categories with a few misc. ones thrown in for good measure (couple of Spec Ops, a Support dude and one Sniper).

Three weeks ago or so when I last studied the top 15 there were a couple of pilots who had most of their kills in planes but apparently they can't keep up with the armor whores and have dropped down. There is an odd score right now on the in-game leaderboard (doesn't show up on bf2s.com) where one player, Sickmind, has 1,476,398,676 points so he's either hacked the stats server or he's somehow bugged.

Edit: fixed typos


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Trippy on August 16, 2005, 05:08:20 PM
I'd like to see some modified capture rules. Would be fun to see a fronted battle with only one flag being able to be captured at a time.
Just play Strike at Karkand. 75% of the time or so the USMC will only try and capture the closest CP. :roll:


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: WayAbvPar on August 17, 2005, 09:48:04 AM
I'd like to see some modified capture rules. Would be fun to see a fronted battle with only one flag being able to be captured at a time.
Just play Strike at Karkand. 75% of the time or so the USMC will only try and capture the closest CP. :roll:


God that drives me crazy (although I love it as an MEC defender). The key to Karkand for the Americans is to capture the back base (on a 32 man map) with the arty, satellite, and radar installations. Cap the flag, blow the bridge (makes it much harder for an armored assault), then blow all their assets. Game over. Even if you let them have the rest of the map it works- they all spawn into the Train Accident CP, and you just chew them to pieces with arty drops. If one of them gets froggy and blows the American assets, you can always spawn back there and fix them.

But 80% of the fucktards don't care about winning. They just want to whore for points.  :mob:


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Toast on August 17, 2005, 02:36:50 PM
Winning doesn't give any points to the winning team (except for the commander).

STUPID EA. STUPID.

Things would be different if the game actually gave an incentive for winning.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on August 18, 2005, 11:19:56 AM
Winning doesn't give any points to the winning team (except for the commander).

STUPID EA. STUPID.

Things would be different if the game actually gave an incentive for winning.

People would quit once they saw their side was losing?


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Miasma on August 18, 2005, 11:33:43 AM
Winning doesn't give any points to the winning team (except for the commander).

STUPID EA. STUPID.

Things would be different if the game actually gave an incentive for winning.
I didn't know that.  I always saw the 2X points for winning and thought it applied to everyone on that team, never bothered to check the numbers in BFHQ because they took so long to update.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Toast on August 18, 2005, 02:54:40 PM
Winning doesn't give any points to the winning team (except for the commander).

STUPID EA. STUPID.

Things would be different if the game actually gave an incentive for winning.

People would quit once they saw their side was losing?

It would be a positive incentive, not a negative. Quitting would be stupid because it wouldn't change anything. If everyone on the winning team got 1.01x to 2x points it would change behaviors.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Sky on August 19, 2005, 06:06:24 AM
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It would be a positive incentive, not a negative. Quitting would be stupid because it wouldn't change anything.
Since when did stupid stop smacktardery? Indeed, that's the very reason they'd do it imo.


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Furiously on August 19, 2005, 09:39:30 AM
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It would be a positive incentive, not a negative. Quitting would be stupid because it wouldn't change anything.
Since when did stupid stop smacktardery? Indeed, that's the very reason they'd do it imo.
You see - you would quit, so you could go join the winning side on another server...


Title: Re: If you thought EQ was a grind
Post by: Azazel on August 19, 2005, 07:09:34 PM
Can you imagine how many poor bastards from the winning team would get auto-teamswapped by the server in the last minutes of the round as the loseing sides players bailed?