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Okay, here's the link: Movie based on one of the three greatest comic stories, and in the top 50 stories in any media. Ever. (http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com)

I've waited literally 20 years to see this movie. Problems are: 1) everyone involved is a fucking no talent shitpile. And 2) the trailer is only in quicktime, which is the second most foul medium spat out of Satan’s anus and will never be installed on any PC I use, work or at home. That means I can't watch it. So some of you watch it and tell me how bad they fucked it up based on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being low. Pretend you’re me and that Saving Private Ryan is a 3 because it’s predictable, clichéd shit with bad acting, but it gets +2 because it’s got a good opening. The Last Unicorn gets an 8 because it’s interesting and poses several interesting philosophical questions involving perception and universal truths. The Princess Bride gets a 10 for being the complete opposite of Saving Private Ryan and chicks like it.

Don’t forget, with Natalie Portman as Evey, Hugo Weaving as V, being directed by some stupid fag who was assistant director on Attack of the clones and the Matrix trilogy abortions, and the fucking Wachowski brothers, it just can’t be good. It’s going to be a flaming trainwreck of the most wooden acting since some fucker filmed a pile of firewood. The story is 90% dialog between two people alone in rooms. It’s like Deep Space Nine almost, but with killing and a plot that goes somewhere. Portman and Weaving will have to be two of the greatest actors of this age to make this movie not suck. So it sucks from the get-go.

And the other two greatest comic stories ever are The Watchmen and The Dark Night Returns. There has never been anything in the same league either before or after. Both Miller and Moore have come close again, but nothing as good has been done, even by them.

Incorrect, it is the SECOND most foul medium.  Nothing compares to the horrors that are RealPlayer and RealMedia.

You are correct. I had forgotten they/it even exist. I edited my post to reflect your unarguable truth.

I've no problem with quicktime.

I have more problems with Portman.

I'll have problems with this movie.

If I just looked at the trailer, without knowing who or what was behind it, or what V was, I'd say it resembles something like an attempt by the BBC to make a high budget action film. It doesn't look like mainstream Michael Bay Hollywood crap, if that's what you want to hear (John Hurt and Stephen Rea help). It looks like it's more along the lines of From Hell than it is....say...League of Extraordinary Gentleman.

6 or 7 maybe?

Having watched the trailers, it just further proves there's no justice in this world with the scrapping of Watchmen and the continued production of this hackery. It'll be a decent flick to pick up on DVD and veg out to, but it'll be nowhere near as good as the book. But then, I've been proven wrong before, Sin City was 5,000x better than I thought it would be before walking in opening weekend. I fear that someone monstrous may pick up the Transmet License and then, somehow, someone worse will pick up Planetary. And we'll have an unholy trifect of comic book movies that will somehow kill off these last 3 years of decent comic->film revelation. Me, pessimistic? Nah.

I think it'll take a long string of disasters for that happen at this point. Not even the massive suckage that Superman WILL be will stop Warner from making (Nolan) Batman movies and/or adapting Vertigo stories. They'll probably learn from it.

Not even the massive suckage that X-Men 3 WILL be will stop Fox from making (Raimi) Spider-Man movies at least (as far as everything else goes, Marvel has pretty much blown it's load, I think).

Whoever has the rights to other publishers will probably remain good (as long as that Del Toro guy stays away from them). It's almost impossible to fuck up most of these stories anyways (at least, my optimistic self would like to think). And as far as non-Superhero titles go, no one except indie directors wants to do stories like Ghost World or American Splendor...And that's a good thing.

[edit] If Uwe Boll announces that he's switching from video game adaptations to comic books, then I'm with you on the pessimism thing.

The trailer looks ok. It's one of those that feels like it's hard to judge the movie by though. The mask on the main character looks kind of stupid in my opinion but the storyline looks somewhat interesting.

It doesn't look like an Alan Moore book, that's for damn sure.

Looks mostly like a movie about an anarchist who's good with knives and likes to throw them a lot, and a bald Natalie Portman.

Trailer in Divx 5 format (http://www.pandadesigns.com/misc/V_trailer_640_divx.avi).

Don't worry, A-Bob.  It seems to be all about November 5th when those horrible little urchins wander about, dragging some poor bloke by the hair, and begging for pennies.  Annoying little buggers and should tossed in the Thames.

I have no knowlage of the book/comic(?) it is based on.

I thought it was a remake of the French movie/remade US movie about a girl who gets trained to be a killer after being arrested. Then it seemed to become a normal comicbook movie. There seems to be no daylight shots. Based on the trailer, I will pass.

Third most foul. You're forgetting Adobe Acrobat.

The trailer looks like your typical superhero flick with a dark background.  The story of the corrupt, facist government looks to be only background filler for nifty costumes and fight scenes.  The story you described is not the story they are advertising.  -5/10

Negative 5? C'mon now, that's just silly. If you use ratings like that, then rating a truly horrible movie just becomes totally meaningless. Don't cry wolf with the hate. Save the negative 5's for when it really matters.

Or are you just trying to say that you liked Saving Private Ryan THAT much more?

I can feel angry's pain.  I used to be a huge reader of 2000AD comics.  Sylvester Stallone as Judge Dredd.  "I am de lauw"  Gimme a break

Ah man. I thought they were doing a big budget flick about aliens who came to earth and looked like they were from the 80s but were really rat-eating lizzards.

Thanks, first thing I thought of too.

He stated it was one of the 50 best stories in any media, ever. He also stated that 90% of the story was two people talking at each other. He's also angry bob, and asked for a rating based on how he'd view it.. 

Given those criterion I think the trailer would make him claw his eyes out.  The movie itself would send him on a murderous rampage.  They've taken the story and 'hollywood-ed' it out the wazoo.  It's Spiderman with the British government as the Green Goblin and knife throwing in bullet time.  It's worse than Saving Private Ryan because Ryan was a made-up story fit around certain facts. (There was a missing 'last son' Ranger. He was found and sent home after D-Day.  There was, however, no resuce mission.)  V, however, is taking a pre-exsisting story and shredding it, then pick out the bits it wants to fit a Hollywood story.

That makes three of us.  I guess I don't read enough comic books graphic novels.

Band of Brothers > Saving Private Ryan.  And it's all true.

That's the one thing which is EXACTLY like in the comic.
It looked fine. Very Hollywood but which a fascist government which give the people behind it the opportunity to update some of the points Moore were making... or turning them into comicbook nazis - no telling from a trailer.

6

My unstanding is that they changed where the facist government comes from in the movie.
Comic: Nuclear War, facist government comes to power and does some good ol cleansing
Movie: Nazi's win World War 2

Well the mask may be one of those things that looks awesome in print but not so good on a movie screen. We'll see.

Alan Moore is a whackjob, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have valid concerns - if this is true, my hopes for the movie just sank. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg&article=2153)

I can understand why he'd be pissed about League, but as far as everything else goes......

If he wasn't such a closeminded dick about it, then these adaptations might have a better chance to live up to his standards (that is, if he even has any. It almost seems like he hates the film medium itself). The way he does it now is that he totally detaches himself from the process, then blames others when the films don't go his way. It's not like they wouldn't let him have some input if he asked.

Er... uhm... WHAT?!

Do you have any idea how Hollywood works?

It's not as bad as the movies make it out to be  :wink:

Especially not as much these days. And especially when people actually like you.

I don't read or collect comics and I never had.  Strangely, I still play CoH and love movies based on comic books.  The Batman series, Superman, X-men, Hellboy, and lots of others.   I'm not sure if Darkman was based on a comic, but I loved it.  Some I disliked a lot, such as Catwoman.  I disliked it for the reasons I dislike any movie... cruddy dialog, bad acting, etc.   I wonder if I would have enjoyed any of them even a fraction as much if I cared about the comics that inspired them.  This movie looks like it might do well for the masses.  I think one's expectations go way up when it's regarding something that has personal meaning.  I would be much more critical watching a movie about something that is dear to me.

Um, same here. 

The lesson here is start reading comics.  I've forced many a non-comic reading woman to read Preacher and they usually end up liking it.

Preacher? I'd start with Transmet or Top Ten or something. But then, I'd prefer a girl who dug Transmet.

Ditto on Preacher. I've gotten several people interested through that, males and females. Hell, that's how I started reading them again myself. It's like a gateway drug or something, except for comics.

Preacher seems to interest women more than Transmet though.  I imagine it's mostly due to Tulip's character and her relationship with Jesse.  Preacher is one of the gateway drugs of comics (as Stray said).

Also comics like Johnny the Homicidal Maniac seem to appeal to many women as well.

I was going to say that too. Some chick I knew actually stole it from me when she moved. Not that I care though, because I don't really like it myself.

Well, I was/am a huge fan of V for Vendetta, and I liked the trailer.  I'd give it a 8/10.  However, I loved all 3 Matrix movies.  That's right, all 3.  So ... put your own qualifications on my rating.

Did you just "score" a trailer? That's hardcore.

The last trailer that got me excited about a movie was Eternal Sunshine, but that's only because it had fantastic music and did something new within the boundaries of a trailer. Well, not new, but the first time the 'infomercial" thing had been done efficiently.

Read the first post - that's what the angry dude is requesting.

Meh.  Neither amazing, nor depressing.  My guess is that I'll see it at release, hope for the awesome and get something mediocre.

For those who have read the comic though, just imagine - what will the rain scene be like?  Drool.  I find it doubtful that even the Wachowski's can screw that up too bad, though I have overestimated their skills in the past.

La Femme Nikita - great movie.

I know nothing about V, so I really don't have an opinion here. I thought the thread was about '80's Marc Singer series...

I would like to nominate bob for "Best Thread Title EVAR".

No.  I won't read any of them, although the husband has quite a few old Brit comics.  They make my fingers dirty and comics have a funny odour.

Those are old comics.  Modern day graphic novels are made of much higher quality paper and will neither get your fingers dirty, nor smell funny.  On the other hand, if you just don't feel like it, I'll accept that as an excuse.

Are we still talking about comics?

It's spelled ODOR you loopy foreigner.

Also, it's ZEEEE not, ZED.  And ARRRR, not OR.  HAICH instead of AICH I'll give you.  But that's it.  I've had about enough of your shenanigans.

The trailer wasn't bad. A bit too Matrix-y for me what with the spinning knives and shit. I'm sure Bob will hate it with the white-hot passion of the sun. I still haven't read this one oddly enough, so I've no idea how close it is to the original.

Hard to say from just the trailer, but it looks at first glance like the only thing they did was up the size of the action pieces a bit, which was to be expected.  All of the dialogue used in the trailer is taken almost verbatim from the comic as far as I can tell.

I am a huge freaking geek.  With that out of the way:

Ok, so after watching the trailer I got nostalgic, and picked up a new copy of the compiled V for Vendetta (I had the old Warrior issues, most of which have long since disintegrated since I had bought them new as a elementary schooler).  I reread it this evening and fell in love all over again.  The only story of its general bend that comes close for me is Transmetropolitan, which I am now forced to reread for comparison.  But I digress ...

So, the trailer.  I watched it again, and had the graphic novel open to compare.  A huge amount of dialogue and imagery from the trailer is right in the comics.  Evey's head shaving and interrogation, the 'ideas are bulletproof' line, and V as a human bomb all come to mind.  I'm now much more confident that this movie will be true to the novel, as confident as anyone can be given a few seconds of film.

But after rereading graphic novel, I have to admit that I'm less sure that this should be made into a film.  So much of the novel's appeal to me lies in the fact that huge swaths of story are nothing but stills.  No sound effects, dialogue, thought bubbles, or words of any kind.  Just the artist conveying the story in its purest, silent form.  That's not exactly what the blockbuster movie crowd typically makes or wants.

I really hope I'm wrong, but I think no matter how good the filmmakers are, they're going to have to contend with source material that inherently resists translation to the big screen.

I doesn't look like they're shooting for that anyways. Anything with Stephen Rea and John Hurt is subdued, downplayed, and most of all, unexciting for anything resembling a popcorn crowd. Because of those guys, you can almost count on this not being a Summer type movie. That's what made me not hate the trailer at least.

Well jeez why not just delay it till May then instead of releasing during the quarter when all the crap movies get released.

I think you answered your own question.