Title: Small explosions in London... Post by: Kenrick on July 21, 2005, 06:51:04 AM http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/21/london.tube/index.html
Am I the only one who gets the sickening feeling that something "biological" might be involved? Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Kenrick on July 21, 2005, 06:59:12 AM http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163186,00.html
Quote "People were panicking. But very fortunately the train was only 15 seconds from the station," witness Ivan McCracken told Sky News. McCracken said he smelled smoke, and people were panicking and coming into his carriage. He said he spoke to an Italian man who was comforting a woman after the evacuation. "He said that a man was carrying a rucksack and the rucksack suddenly exploded. It was a minor explosion but enough to blow open the rucksack," McCracken said. "The man then made an exclamation as if something had gone wrong. At that point everyone rushed from the carriage." Interesting... sounds like a detonator failed to set off a larger device..... And I'm sure the man with the "rucksack" is at large. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: NowhereMan on July 21, 2005, 07:05:26 AM From the sound of things there were 3 explosions, none of them very big and so far no reports of casualties. It could be something biological but it seems more like an attempt to cause disruption rather than another mass bombing. Buses and most of the Tube are still running, it's not being treated as something huge from what I'm seeing.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Kenrick on July 21, 2005, 07:08:20 AM True, that was actually the first thought that came to my mind (before bio). That they're just wanting to show Britons that they cannot relax.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Ironwood on July 21, 2005, 07:14:04 AM I think we're probably just dealing with copycat attention seekers. Hopefully the police will remove them from the populace with controlled explosions.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Riggswolfe on July 21, 2005, 08:14:53 AM From what I heard on the radio the explosions this time weren't that big. I heard 1 person is dead but that's it so far. Not to say that it's not a big deal, but that this time at least it doesn't seem like it's as coordinated an issue. I hope that we don't find out that it is something more serious as time goes on.
Edit: Removed comments about the mayor of London's remarks. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: HaemishM on July 21, 2005, 08:39:39 AM Let me just be the first to say that if this thread turns into another "God hates Fags" dissertation like the last London bombing thread, I will personally ban the first motherfucker that starts it.
Also, prayers and thoughts go with the members of this board who may be near or have family near this. Nothing like waking up to go to work and putting on your "Keep your head down" attitude. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: eldaec on July 21, 2005, 08:49:27 AM One person 'injured' according to the bbc, some speculation it may have been one of the non-bombers. No-one dead thankfully.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Riggswolfe on July 21, 2005, 08:57:53 AM I am a little surprised so far. It appears that this one is very minor as far as damage done and people hurt. I am seriously starting to think it's just copycats or something.
I am though, very happy that it seems the bombs have done little damage. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Yegolev on July 21, 2005, 09:39:52 AM I don't understand why an explosive would be needed to spread a bio agent, and in fact that would probably lessen the effectiveness quite a bit. I'm not under the impression that this was anything other than conventional explosives.
Also, my sympathies to those affected. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Strazos on July 21, 2005, 10:08:39 AM {Restrains himself from going on a rant about the stupidity of "terrorists" and wish we could all just "get along."}
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Murgos on July 21, 2005, 10:12:20 AM Muitions that are designed to spread bio agents explode with a soft pop, it's one of the things you are told to look for on the battlefield.
If your not trying to disperse toxic things on a battlefield though you don't really need an explosive to spread it, depedning on the agent of course. However, an explosive would help to get it into the atmosphere if you couldn't spread it by hand or could only disperse it at a certian point. Anthrax for example could easily be spread by hand by someone who wasn't worried about the horrible, painful death to come shortly. It is just a rather plain looking fine powder after all. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: penfold on July 21, 2005, 12:31:45 PM 4 backpacks full of acetone peroxide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide), which could have been mixed up wrong, as none exploded, just the detonators. I guess a bunch of people have breathed in a lungful of raw explosive, or the fumes when given off when it burns, I know its toxic, but not how nasty. Still, the alternative would have been unthinkable.
A lucky escape for Londoners, and a good break for the authorties, they now have 4 perfectly preserved pre-crime scenes, unheard of im sure. As for terror and panic they wanted, heh bollox to that, i was back on the tube the moment it opened, i needed to get back coz my new monitor was meant to be delivered. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Daydreamer on July 21, 2005, 12:50:43 PM I had to clean up and relabel a bottle of that stuff at a lab I used to work at. Fun stuff, but I'm curious to see why this one was so poorly planned compared to the last ones.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: NowhereMan on July 21, 2005, 12:55:12 PM Could have been a poor copy-cat attempt or it could have been a simple fuck up on the terrorist's part and someone mixed the stuff wrong. If that's the case the police have caught such a huge break here it's little short of a miracle.
God must be on our side Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Riggswolfe on July 21, 2005, 01:15:09 PM If it was mixed up wrong, whoever was in charge is having a really bad day back at Terrorist HQ.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: tazelbain on July 21, 2005, 01:16:18 PM God must be on our side This sort of rationale baffles me.So, He was on their side on June 7? Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: NowhereMan on July 21, 2005, 01:21:27 PM I guess that needed sarcasm tags....
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: MrHat on July 21, 2005, 01:23:18 PM Sure, but constant (bi weekly) bombings and deaths and injuries in popular areas in Lebanon go completely un noticed.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: penfold on July 21, 2005, 01:40:33 PM If any of the Lebanese who post here want to recount their experiences, im sure people would be quick to offer sympathy and support.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Daydreamer on July 21, 2005, 02:54:53 PM Bonus points for bitching about Syria too.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: ahoythematey on July 21, 2005, 03:09:09 PM We can't have nice things.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Ironwood on July 22, 2005, 03:25:21 AM Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON ???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Kenrick on July 22, 2005, 03:58:35 AM Just woke up to see this on cnn. w. t. f.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: penfold on July 22, 2005, 05:43:17 AM Yeh, bundled to the floor, held down and 5 bullets put into him ? thats hardcore.
Possibly no bag either, rumour has it he was wearing a bomb belt. I hope they didnt get a wrong guy, as they might hesitate putting 5 bullets into a real suicide bomber. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Yegolev on July 22, 2005, 08:02:44 AM Crazy. Do we have an international cop-sharing program set up between NYC and London?
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: HaemishM on July 22, 2005, 08:14:19 AM Hey, if I was a cop tracking down a suicidal motherfucker who might have a bomb on his person or strapped to his waist, I'd damn sure not hesitate too much to put five in his dome.
Let's hope the suspect actually was carrying something like that and it wasn't just understandably jumpy cops. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Ironwood on July 22, 2005, 08:19:03 AM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706421.stm
Christ I think I recognise all those blurs from my office nights out... Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Yegolev on July 22, 2005, 08:22:39 AM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706421.stm Christ I think I recognise all those blurs from my office nights out... Lower right = Serek Dmart Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: HaemishM on July 22, 2005, 08:26:09 AM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706421.stm Christ I think I recognise all those blurs from my office nights out... Lower right = Serek Dmart Hopefully, he's next on the down on the floor and five in the head procedure. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Kenrick on July 22, 2005, 09:21:55 AM http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/19887288
Quote Journalist Chris Martin said he was waiting on the northbound Northern line platform at Stockwell station and a train had pulled in when several men burst on to the platform about 20 yards from him. "There was a lot of shouting, I thought it was football fans or something," he said. That quote made me grin... anyway... Sounds to me like they got the right guy, and I do agree with Haemish. You have no way of knowing if the guys about to "pull the pin" (or however you blow yourself up in 2005 -- I'm not terrible versed) and kill dozens of bystanders/passengers. So the only logical option in such a moment is "terminate with extreme prejudice" -- no hesitation. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: penfold on July 22, 2005, 11:47:45 AM Let's hope the suspect actually was carrying something like that and it wasn't just understandably jumpy cops. Its seems it could be that the flat in stockwell he left from has been under observation from security forces, many of which follow and then try to stop and and arrest before he can get on the tube, they then chase him into the station as he vaults the ticket barriers, and down onto a train. He's then pushed/tripped, and one of the chasers shoots him when he's down. One witness has the suspect grabbing a passenger too. Interesting quote i saw was that Special Branch and SO19 (the Mets armed unit) are certainly not trained for this type of thing, and it could well have been special forces. The boys from Hereford, i bet. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Llava on July 22, 2005, 01:08:22 PM Sounds to me like they got the right guy, and I do agree with Haemish. You have no way of knowing if the guys about to "pull the pin" (or however you blow yourself up in 2005 -- I'm not terrible versed) and kill dozens of bystanders/passengers. So the only logical option in such a moment is "terminate with extreme prejudice" -- no hesitation. Of course, he might have one of those bombs that hooks up directly to your heart and explodes when it stops beating! Then you're fucked! Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: MrHat on July 23, 2005, 07:11:19 AM 83 Dead in Egypt blasts. (http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=123570740&p=yz357y3zx)
My heart goes out to anyone who had family visiting, and to anyone who was nearby. Car bombs are the worst fucking thing ever. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Kenrick on July 23, 2005, 09:48:44 AM Ooooooooooops. (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/23/london.tube/index.html)
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Ironwood on July 23, 2005, 11:36:07 AM Yeah, Beeb confirming this. They put five bullets in an innocent passerby.
That's going to cause a little trouble, one suspects. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: penfold on July 23, 2005, 01:08:33 PM Reported to be brazilian...
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Llava on July 23, 2005, 02:12:34 PM Quote He challenged police and refused to obey orders before he was shot and killed Friday morning, Blair said Friday. Dumbfuck. They still fucked up by killing you, but goddamn what kind of idiot do you have to be to start giving police shit at a time like this? Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Evangolis on July 23, 2005, 02:41:34 PM Hard to say what the guy was thinking. I got the impression that these were plainclothes guys, not uniforms. The dead man may not have realized what was going on. Stranger foriegners waving guns at you is probably a fairly confusing sort of thing to experience.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Ironwood on July 23, 2005, 04:01:37 PM Not really ready to subscribe to the dumbfuck theory as yet.
As someone pointed out - plainclothes cops that had been tailing him all day. If it was me, I wouldn't be obeying some motherfucker in jeans that had been shadowing me for the better part of the day. Further, once they got him down and two officers jumped on him, one wonders if 5 caps were entirely neccesary. Obviously someone thought so. I think he may be looking at jail time. Yet another depressing day in this miserable fucking life. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Signe on July 23, 2005, 04:32:53 PM There is a lesson in this. STAY OUT OF THE SUN. It's very dangerous to be an individual with a dusky skin tone these days.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Ironwood on July 23, 2005, 04:33:35 PM No fucking danger here then. Scotland got the sun in 1962 for five minutes and we haven't seen the fucker since.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Signe on July 23, 2005, 04:37:14 PM Unless your ancestry is that of a dusky skinned Pict. If, in fact, Picts even existed, but if they did... I bet they were dusky skinned buggers.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Shockeye on July 23, 2005, 04:39:07 PM Swarthy, even.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Signe on July 23, 2005, 04:41:35 PM If the coppers in London can shoot Brazilians for wearing coats, just think of what we can do here in the US with our nifty Patriot Act!
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: MrHat on July 23, 2005, 07:17:59 PM If the coppers in London can shoot Brazilians for wearing coats, just think of what we can do here in the US with our nifty Patriot Act! Shoot Americans wearing pleather? Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Strazos on July 23, 2005, 08:15:32 PM And this is why you don't fuck with the British.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Evangolis on July 23, 2005, 08:47:26 PM Swarthy, even. 'Like that friend of Bill Ferny's at Bree.' said Sam. 'Like many that I saw at Isengard.' muttered Merry. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Llava on July 23, 2005, 11:44:58 PM You're right, I forgot that they were plainclothes cops.
I recant the dumbfuck bit. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: AOFanboi on July 24, 2005, 12:17:29 AM If the coppers in London can shoot Brazilians for wearing coats, just think of what we can do here in the US with our nifty Patriot Act! Oh, shit like that started right after Columbine: Loners wearing duffel coats were expelled from school just to be safe. As if it was the "dress code" or hobbies that killed people and not the guns.Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Signe on July 24, 2005, 06:43:31 AM If the coppers in London can shoot Brazilians for wearing coats, just think of what we can do here in the US with our nifty Patriot Act! Oh, shit like that started right after Columbine: Loners wearing duffel coats were expelled from school just to be safe. As if it was the "dress code" or hobbies that killed people and not the guns.Well, maybe in London. I tend to avoid London like the plague. I can't breathe there. In Portsmouth we barely notice what the rest of the world is up to, anyway. Although a bunch of bored Pompey housewives almost killed some bloke they suspected of being a paedophile. BEWARE THE BORED POMPEY HOUSEWIFE if you ever visit Portsmouth. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Kenrick on July 24, 2005, 10:46:19 AM Duely noted, thank you.
Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Ironwood on July 24, 2005, 12:58:58 PM Huh.
We tend to overreact over here and kill paediatricions. Edited : With the benefit of sobriety, I am looking at that spelling and realising it's horrible. Once again, I'm going to let it stand as a record to fallability and the dangers of drink. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Hanzii on July 24, 2005, 01:49:05 PM I'm glad this didn't turn into a "God hates fags"-thread.
... Brazillian electrcians on the other hand! Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Signe on July 24, 2005, 04:37:32 PM Huh. We tend to overreact over here and kill paediatricions. Edited : With the benefit of sobriety, I am looking at that spelling and realising it's horrible. Once again, I'm going to let it stand as a record to fallability and the dangers of drink. Paediatricians. Don't laugh, though. That actually happened, sort of, in Paulsgrove, Portsmouth. In retaliation for the death of a little girl at the hands of paedophile, a bunch of mums in Paulsgrove vandalised a house that had a "Paediatrician" sign. They got confused because of how most paedophiles advertise. :roll: If it wasn't for the marina living, Portsmouth would be a gobsmackingly awful place to live. Might as well move to Surbiton. There must be more slaggy, ignorant, trashy women living in Portsmouth proper than any place else in the world. Including Alabama. Title: Re: Small explosions in London... Post by: Kenrick on July 25, 2005, 04:48:12 AM There must be more slaggy, ignorant, trashy women living in Portsmouth proper than any place else in the world. Including Alabama. Ooh! Directions plz kthx. |