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Title: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: WindupAtheist on July 06, 2005, 09:40:21 AM
Been doing a lot of questing in WoW with a girl from my old UO guild.  Or if not exactly running around side-by-side, then grouped while we run separate errands.  In these last couple weeks, I've noticed a large difference in how we're treated, and it occurrs to me that the difference was never nearly so pronounced back in UO.  (High-level losers mailing her free loot out of nowhere are great because, you know, free loot.  But I could have done without the lowbie who, after emoting /flirt a few times, rushed in to "help" us kill some named orc in Redridge and pulled half the place down on us.)  Is it WoW's shinier and more boobtastic graphics?  A younger demographic?  A ton of MMO newbs, not properly fearful of mangina?


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Rasix on July 06, 2005, 09:44:38 AM
It was just as bad in EQ.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Sairon on July 06, 2005, 09:58:41 AM
I even know people who start female toons, when they're male. And not only because of the benefit of looking at a female ass instead of a male one, but because of all the freebies.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: schild on July 06, 2005, 10:02:02 AM
The only game I've played where I made a toon purposefully female was City of Heroes. My reasons were three-fold.

1. They do have round asses that bounce around in miniskirts.
2. I don't feel as silly when I give a female superhero a silly name combined with the fact there are way too many male superheroes and most of them bore me to tears. Jubillee 4 life.
3. The clothing was better. And you could get away with bright colors without looking like a pansy.

Edit: In other games I play females for no reason other than males are looking less rugged and more....ambiguously gay.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: WindupAtheist on July 06, 2005, 10:05:45 AM
Given the purported freedom and depth of the CoH character creation system, and what you chose to do with it, I can only respond...

lol h0m0

Anyway, so why was all this asshattery less pronounced in UO then?  Oh it was still there, but it wasn't randomly accosting you in the street.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: AOFanboi on July 06, 2005, 10:10:43 AM
3. The clothing was better.
Yeah, why do they do that? Same was the case in Matrix Online: Female characters got the best clothes.

I guess the answer is the same as the answer to why there are three times as many stores carrying women's clothing as men's.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: schild on July 06, 2005, 10:24:10 AM
Anyway, so why was all this asshattery less pronounced in UO then?  Oh it was still there, but it wasn't randomly accosting you in the street.

Because the characters were 16x16 sprites. Seriously man, don't even compare things like EQ2 and CoH and WoW with UO in terms of things like graphics. UO was a nasty festering pile of monkey shit. Final Fantasy VI looked lightyears beyond it.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Jobu on July 06, 2005, 10:52:13 AM
"Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?" or "Is the <adolescent male> inordinately pervy?". Kind of answers itself, huh?

I've noticed a kind of progress towards the way female avatars are treated, personally. My main in Warcraft is a chick (because the art for the chicks looks better than the dudes. Pure aesthetic decision) and I get the typical "A/S/L" crap, and people quick to help out when I need it. I've made some female characters in CoH because it was fun making overtly obvious slut characters as a joke. Same shit as before, "Are you girl IRL?".

But when I made a female character in UO, I was met with "bitch, slut, skank, whore" more than anything else. I haven't encountered that at all in any of the MMOs I've played lately.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Pococurante on July 06, 2005, 10:53:06 AM
Anyway, so why was all this asshattery less pronounced in UO then?  Oh it was still there, but it wasn't randomly accosting you in the street.

It sure as hell was when I played from 1997 to 2001.  I got to where I put in the profiles for my characters, "YES I'M REALLY A GUY - BUZZ OFF".  Not that anyone read them.

Our guild in WoW is pretty quick to let pickup members know the people behind the toons don't play their gender half the time and the spouses switch off depending on the desired playstyle for the night.  OTOH I recently got booted from a pickup when the two femme toons asked me first off if I was a guy and I said yup.  Yeah we perverts always tell the truth! :roll:

One day, long after I'm dead, video games will have helped force stereotypes out of society.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: MrHat on July 06, 2005, 10:59:12 AM
Our guild in WoW is pretty quick to let pickup members know the people behind the toons don't play their gender half the time and the spouses switch off depending on the desired playstyle for the night.  OTOH I recently got booted from a pickup when the two femme toons asked me first off if I was a guy and I said yup.  Yeah we perverts always tell the truth! :roll:


Could've been that the two female toons were guys looking for a girl to party with.

hehe, party, I'm funny.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: jpark on July 06, 2005, 12:17:59 PM
Yes.  But it goes with everything esle - WoW is young and as a community does not compare well to EQ etc.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Bunk on July 06, 2005, 12:25:33 PM
I nearly made a Wolf Whistle at a female human in rather nice looking robe in a tavern last night... then fear of mangina took over, so I didn't.

Yes I've played characters of either gender in games, just depends on what suits my mood.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Sogrinaugh on July 06, 2005, 12:34:58 PM
What kind of queerbag servers are you people playing on.  We have one (real) chick in our guild (104 member roster), who plays a female toon, and several guys playing female toons.  According to her, she has only really been hit on by guys in-guild, and only after they found out for real for real she is in fact, a chick (we use vent).  Fortunately, she's not up-tight and tends to not care (and instead mocks the weak game).

Its no longer so much a matter of perversity, as it is stupidity, or perhaps severe retardation.  Im willling to bet you could explain to someone with DOWNSE SYNDROME that approx 7 to 9 times out of 10, its going to be a guy behind the keyboard of a female char, and not the sexy chick your sex-starved brainis dreams of.

Nobody to date that i have met in-game, who plays a female character, has ever gotten so much as 1 fucking copper as a "gift" for having a female toon.  In-game chat, i always see people refer to female toons as "him", and the players who actually are (or vehmently claim to be) female (who are rare), they have to fight quit abit of inertia to change that.  And one of the best-known "real" chick who is the leader of the largest raiding guild horde-side, plays a male toon.  Go fig.

Overall, most people dont seem to give to much of a shit about the sex of the other players.  In guild chat, in party chat with random people i dont know as well as friends i've known for a long time, people hardly seem to care.  They log on to waste away a few hours playing a stupid game then leave.  Even the primates have figured out by now that you are NOT meeting teh z3xxy babe in a mmog.

EDIT:  Not that anyone will tell me, but im gonna go ahead and ask WTF is "mangina"?  I had assumed it was a bastardization of Manga, as in a prono version of it, but the above comment makes me think perhaps my definition is wrong...


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: jpark on July 06, 2005, 12:39:11 PM
What kind of queerbag servers are you people playing on.

Ones where the dominant race choice is Night Elves.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Threash on July 06, 2005, 12:40:47 PM
I believe it came from the movie Deuce bigalow male gigolo, his pimp refered to his male whores as manginas.  Its short for man+vagina, nothing to do with manga.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: HaemishM on July 06, 2005, 12:41:41 PM
Its no longer so much a matter of perversity, as it is stupidity, or perhaps severe retardation.

Have you READ the official WoW boards? Your answer lies within, young Padawan.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Calantus on July 06, 2005, 02:25:10 PM
Everyone I know assumes someone is male until proven otherwise. I play a fem toon simply because I dont like the look of male Tauren and it was always assumed I was male. Funny thing, the only female in our guild plays a male toon.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Sairon on July 06, 2005, 02:40:33 PM
I play a male toon because I can relate more to a male toon, as I'm male myself. It might sound sad but I feel like that brutal tauren runing around infront of me is me, in a sense. So I think it would feel stupid if it was a female. And I don't really care if I see a male ass or female ass because I don't get turned on even remotely by the back of a toon, certainly not one I'm going to look at so much anyway :P

Also tauren female looks like a real milk cow, and male tauren looks totaly bad ass once equpied. In my opinion there's nothing in WoW which looks cooler than a totaly black male tauren with a nice beard and sweet armor :D


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: stray on July 06, 2005, 02:45:06 PM
If it's an option, I always play scraggly, old, grey-haired male toons. Maybe not "aesthetically pleasing", but it bypasses "ambiguously gay" and "mangina" both.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Fabricated on July 06, 2005, 03:27:20 PM
EDIT: Not that anyone will tell me, but im gonna go ahead and ask WTF is "mangina"? I had assumed it was a bastardization of Manga, as in a prono version of it, but the above comment makes me think perhaps my definition is wrong...

Man + Vagina = Mangina.

Consider yourself enlightened, now spread this critical information unto the world.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Der Helm on July 06, 2005, 04:41:09 PM
Well, you could always do a google image search for "mangina"


Hint: Don't.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Shockeye on July 06, 2005, 05:07:10 PM
My GIS for "mangina" found this (http://www.israel-music.com/moshe_giat/yesh_mangina/).


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Der Helm on July 06, 2005, 05:18:08 PM
My GIS for "mangina" found this (http://www.israel-music.com/moshe_giat/yesh_mangina/).

Next time some tells you "don't", don't.

EDIT: Does above statement makes sense ? I am suffering from a bad case of sleep deprivation at the moment. Go figure.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Signe on July 06, 2005, 05:31:43 PM
Fucking hell.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Shockeye on July 06, 2005, 05:36:26 PM
Fucking hell.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the post of the day.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: tazelbain on July 06, 2005, 08:52:27 PM
I have logged into the GW's arenas to find people playing virtual rape.  So yeah, perverts are abound.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: schild on July 06, 2005, 09:06:09 PM
What kind of queerbag servers are you people playing on.
Ones where the dominant race choice is Night Elves.

Sort of like days that end in 'y.'

And omfg to that mangina link. ...you bastard.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: WindupAtheist on July 06, 2005, 09:22:39 PM
I dig it.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: stray on July 06, 2005, 09:24:05 PM
I dig it.

Y'know, that almost tempted me to finally look...


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Ironwood on July 07, 2005, 02:54:06 AM
From UO to WoW, my wife has found many, many, many bounties and advantages to being female and playing female.  She hardly ever notices it, but I'm always amazed at the discount she'll get from other players, the freebies, the help and the assistance.   As a Male Undead Rogue, I get dick apart from spat on.

She plays a female priest in WoW.  She gets a party invite every ten minutes on good days.

The trouble with a succesful game like WoW opening up the arena to the whole of humanity is the fact that you then get the whole of humanity in your game.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: stupid newbie on July 07, 2005, 03:37:03 AM
Anyway, so why was all this asshattery less pronounced in UO then?  Oh it was still there, but it wasn't randomly accosting you in the street.

Because the characters were 16x16 sprites. Seriously man, don't even compare things like EQ2 and CoH and WoW with UO in terms of things like graphics. UO was a nasty festering pile of monkey shit. Final Fantasy VI looked lightyears beyond it.

But, but, appropriate graphics > good graphics. =(

Anyways, there'll  always be people who'll feel someone's gender is such a big deal, online or offline. I don't see why though, as  everyone's not the same obviously, and more or less value -shouldn't- be placed in someone based off of their gender. And it's obviously not something worth being pround of since well, it can be equated to something such as an asian teeny bopper yelling out "AzN PrIdE!!". It's like, yeah great buddy, I'm sure there's alot to be proud about having accomplished nothing.

The way I see it. Well, anyone who treats one person with respect or regards them higher for accomplishing nothing, and outright insults someone else for something they're not even responsible for, should expect to be treated likewise in return.

ho-ho-ho, lurker post. :<


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Bunk on July 07, 2005, 09:35:26 AM
I don't think I have ever given free stuff to a female character because she was female. I tend to not even think about a character's gender until I get a decent idea of what their player's gender really is. In most cases, this means members of my guild. At this point it becomes moot because I'll give free shit to anyone in my guild.

One general thing I have noticed as far as pick up groups go; female characters generally seem to be played by less retardtastic players. I've had very few problems with pickup groups led by female characters. This observation of course does not apply to female characters that run around in their underwear, emoting at people. It seems to me that there are three types who play female characters:

1> mouth-breathing letches
2> guys confident enough in their manhood to play whatever they feel like
3> real women

Category 1 is usually very easy to recognize, and easy to /ignore. Category two and three generally make for more mature, half decent players. There are always exceptions to this, but I've been pretty lucky so far in picking random groups.



Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Jayce on July 08, 2005, 05:30:56 AM
Quick story:
When I played UO, I had the idea to start a female miner/crafter/etc.  I found an island that was mostly uninhabited on which I could mine, lumberjack, etc to my heart's content (this was back before lumberjacks had some combat applications).

Well, since it was MOSTLY uninhabited, I eventually ran across the inhabitants.  They were a group of RPers with a big guild hall and a throne.  The guy who sat the throne met me in the wild and invited me in. I thought this was a bit strange in this world of house thieves and PKs, but I took the chance, since here was a chance to study real RPers in their natural habitat.  After a bit of sitting on the throne, making small talk and *strokes his chin thoughtfully* emoting, one of the various guild members in the hall got around to asking me if I was fem IRL.  I said no.  Their manner suddenly turned cold and unresponsive.  Later I returned to the island to do some more mining, etc, and I never got another invite to the guild hall or even a "hello".

Conversely, in WoW, my wife plays the perhaps one out of 10,000 night elf females that's female IRL.  She has never gotten any real favors that we can specifically ascribe to her femaleness, just things like drive-by buffing that everyone gets periodically.

So, I've had the opposite experience.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Signe on July 08, 2005, 07:58:52 AM
I hardly ever get any free stuff, either. What's the use of having a vagina if you can't use it to exploit sexually frustrated teen-age gamers?  I have, however, received 2 team speak invites in CoH to PROVE I'm really female.  I simply tell them that when I teach my vagina to speak, everyone will know.  I'm sure even CNN will cover the story.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Shockeye on July 08, 2005, 09:52:12 AM
What's the use of having a vagina if you can't use it to exploit sexually frustrated teen-age gamers?

Gold.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: MrHat on July 08, 2005, 03:29:05 PM
I hardly ever get any free stuff, either. What's the use of having a vagina if you can't use it to exploit sexually frustrated teen-age gamers?  I have, however, received 2 team speak invites in CoH to PROVE I'm really female.  I simply tell them that when I teach my vagina to speak, everyone will know.  I'm sure even CNN will cover the story.

/clap

er, /applaud

Er, can you applaud someone's vagina?


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: ahoythematey on July 08, 2005, 05:51:16 PM
I generally treat female avatars the same way I treat most male avatars.

That is to say, I treat them like shit because I hate battle.net and people in general.  Once in a while I actually feel remorse, but meh.

I've never played as a female character when a choice was provided(for example you can't play a male assassin in D2), because deep down I'm probably terrified of what that kind of choice might say about my id.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Samprimary on July 11, 2005, 03:39:34 PM
We used to have a horde guild called 'me so hordey', but the GM's cracked down on it.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Xanthippe on July 12, 2005, 01:55:32 PM
I always play a female toon, have only received one free item due to toon cleavage, and am frequently referred to as "he" or told "thx man" in games.  Many, if not most, people I run into these days assume everyone behind the keyboard is male.

I suspect playing a priest has more to do with getting loot and niceties than being female in WoW.  Rogues and hunters don't get squat.

Being bothered in video games has never been a problem for me.  Happens less than in real life, and is easier to get away from.  One surefire way to deal with it is to say "back off, I'm a guy."  Saying I'm a soccer mom doesn't work, because then I get "milf?" in return.

Maybe I need to LOL and :) and ;) more.  I want stuff.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: HaemishM on July 12, 2005, 03:02:24 PM
You need to perfect the hair toss. Or to pull in the Jordan fans, tug on your braids.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Strazos on July 12, 2005, 04:00:28 PM
In games, usually, my main is a male rogue named Strazos. There are no rogues in CoH, so I just made him the kind of hero I would want to be; a speedy asskicker.

in WoW, I played a rogue in Beta, so I made a warrior instead...but made it a female for kicks....She looked better than her male counterparts anyway.

There are no rogues in GW, and male mesmers are lame, so Female it is.

But yes, WoW kids have a problem.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Sogrinaugh on July 12, 2005, 04:11:05 PM
You need to perfect the hair toss. Or to pull in the Jordan fans, tug on your braids.
Jordan?


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Shockeye on July 12, 2005, 04:24:58 PM
You need to perfect the hair toss. Or to pull in the Jordan fans, tug on your braids.
Jordan?

Robert Jordan. Nynaeve tugs on her braid whenever she's.. well.. nevermind.

(http://www.dragonmount.com/Books/Knife_of_Dreams/Images/kod_us_hc_med.jpg)

Quote from: Dragonmount
Nynaeve al'Meara
26 years old. Slender and short, young and pretty. She has dark colouring with a dark braid pulled over her shoulder. Very strong willed, she always does what she believes must be done, never backing down from her duty.

She is regularly giving over to fits of temper and insults. Prickly at best, unbearable at worst. She hates Moiraine and blames her for everything that has occurred, hating her as much as Seanchan, but didn't hide her hate as well as she thinks. She fell in love with Lan soon after leaving the Two Rivers, but he continually put her off. She is brave to the point of madness, but believes herself a coward.

Nynaeve left the Two Rivers on the heels of Moiraine and the group, tracking them to Baerlon with the intention of bringing back the Emonds Field folk. As she was unable to do this she was determined to keep them safe. She was soon informed that she was a wilder, having learning to channel herself.

When learning unknowingly to channel, she learned to tell the weather. This talent has changed to also tell moods. She is a quick learner, as quick as Rand, and is a great believer in justice.

She went to the White Tower with Egwene, and became an Accepted immediately. Later, Liandrin led her, Egwene, Elayne and Min to Falme, where she was to be made damane. Nynaeve and Elayne avoided capture, and later helped Egwene and Min escape. They got back to the White Tower just in time to go hunting the Black Ajah.

Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne went to Tear on the chase, were captured by Liandrin and company and were rescued by Mat and Juilin. Nynaeve then left with Elayne, chasing the Black Ajah to Tanchico. While in Tanchico, Nynaeve captured Moghedian only to have her escape.

After helping the Panarch regain power, Nynaeve left with Elayne moving into Amadicia where they joined a traveling menagerie. This took them to Ghealdan where they left for Salidar with the remaining Shienarans, who until that time had stayed with Masema.

In a jaunt to Tel'aran'rhoid, Nynaeve managed to capture Moghedian using an a'dam. On the same jaunt and while dragging Moghedian around she helped Rand kill Rahvin by scorching him unexpectedly, and was very nearly killed herself. Elayne made an a'dam that looks like a necklace and had "Marigan" as a servant, while secretly trying to wring lost secrets from the Age of Legends out of her.

With Siuan, Leane and Logain around she decided to find out how to Heal them of severing and was immediately ostracised by the Yellow Ajah for foolish endeavours. She Healed Logain and then Siuan and Leane. However Logain was back to full strength while Siuan and Leane are less than half their strength. She has a special way of Healing using fire and earth where conventional healing only uses air, water and spirit.

She went to Ebou Dar and found the Bowl of Winds with Elayne. They made a terribly one sided bargin with the Sea Folk, captured a Black Sister and apologised to Mat for their behaviour, offering themselves for his protection, Nynaeve grinding her teeth. Also, Lan and Nynaeve finally married.

After leaving Ebou Dar, she was a member of the circle that fixed the weather through the bowl. When the Seanchan attacked the farm owned by the Kin, she and Elayne led the Kin, the Sea Folk and Aes Sedai to Caemlyn.

Nynaeve is a terrible cook and a terrible sewer. At least she admits about the sewing. She believes anything short of death must be Healable.

Becoming very strong in the One Power, she is as strong as Moghedien and not yet at full strength. Her father died some years earlier, but always treated her as the son he never had. Her mother was Elnore.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Sogrinaugh on July 13, 2005, 06:33:26 AM
The embarrasing part is i have read ALL of those books accept the newest one.  I dont really enjoy the series, but a hateful friend of mine turned me on to it years back and i just want to know how it ends.  My great fear is that the old cur will die before he is finished with it.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Signe on July 13, 2005, 06:35:58 AM
The embarrasing part is i have read ALL of those books accept the newest one.  I dont really enjoy the series, but a hateful friend of mine turned me on to it years back and i just want to know how it ends.  My great fear is that the old cur will die before he is finished with it.

Book 11?  Obviously, it never ends.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Der Helm on July 13, 2005, 09:55:10 AM
Book 11?  Obviously, it never ends.

Sshhh be quiet.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 13, 2005, 10:03:36 AM
Quote
Robert Jordan. Nynaeve tugs on her braid whenever she's.. well.. nevermind.

Conscious?


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Merusk on July 13, 2005, 10:06:26 AM
The Wheel will turn around and just start the story over again in book 32 with Rand's kid.  Nothing will be resolved and an additional three thousand plot threads and twenty-three thousand meal descriptions will have been introduced.



Honestly, Jordan needs to wrap shit up.  He started with this huge ending scene and that's how he developed the story and the world, pushing towards it.  Since he knows the ending, you'd think he'd be able to just get the fuck there, but nooooo.   After all this time we're going to get to that scene and wonder what the fuck the buildup was all about because it's not going to beat Dumai's Well from book 6, or the battle between Rand and Rhavin in book 4.   At this point I'm just hoping he kills off everyone and the Shadow wins so I can hear the anguished cries of, "What the fuck, I read for 15 years for THIS?!"


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: stray on July 13, 2005, 10:15:35 AM
No.

Please.

Not another derail about Robert Jordan.


*Serves you right anyways....You should have been like me and realized it was complete dogshit at Book 1.*


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: tazelbain on July 13, 2005, 11:12:25 AM
I wonder if RJ knows that women do things beside fidgeting with their skirts and hair.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 13, 2005, 11:24:19 AM
I wonder if RJ knows that women do things beside fidgeting with their skirts and hair.

Sure- they sniff, roll their eyes, and call people wool-headed.

Every woman in RJ's life must be a raging c**t, judging from his female characters.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Sogrinaugh on July 13, 2005, 11:50:27 AM
I wonder if RJ knows that women do things beside fidgeting with their skirts and hair.

Sure- they sniff, roll their eyes, and call people wool-headed.

Every woman in RJ's life must be a raging c**t, judging from his female characters.
In an interview he was asked if any of the characters are based on people he knows in real life, he said no except for the women "i suppose a little bit of my wife is in each of them" (not an exact quote, but close and with intent preserved).  Didnt surprise me in the least, since all of his female characters are pretty much the same.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Paelos on July 13, 2005, 01:47:02 PM
I count myself lucky I never read his stuff. I think I would have fallen out of love with the genre.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: tazelbain on July 13, 2005, 03:30:06 PM
I count myself lucky I never read his stuff. I think I would have fallen out of love with the genre.
Read the first 3.  They are from a time before he went into stalling for cash mode.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Paelos on July 13, 2005, 03:48:50 PM
I count myself lucky I never read his stuff. I think I would have fallen out of love with the genre.
Read the first 3.  They are from a time before he went into stalling for cash mode.

I'm too busy reading Glen Cook and loving it.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Rasix on July 14, 2005, 12:55:30 PM
I count myself lucky I never read his stuff. I think I would have fallen out of love with the genre.

I got 6 books done before 7 made me realize Jordan had gone insane and wasn't planning on making headway into the plot.   Still, if you're enjoying Cook, stay there.  No reason to jump in unless you want to just give up in frustration at some point.  The early part of the series is quite fantastic, IMO.  :dead_horse:

Anyhooo, to relate an interesting story that's somewhat on topic..  Early on in WoW, I played exclusively with my ex-roomate and his brother.  We had a no-mangina clause for playing together, but my ex-roomie decided that he wanted to play the undead female mage he made in beta.   We gave him copious amounts of grief over this, but he persisted.   

So, later on we get to the point where we're all 60 and unguilded and we start to look at guilds.  We were taking a serious look at one guild and were thinking about joining but the guild leader fashioned himself a "ladies man".  He kept trying to flirt with my friend, even though he made it plainly obvious that he infact did have a penis.  Finally, the guy went a bit too far one day and my friend just went off on him.  Well, that ended our consideration of that guild.    The thing is, he was never treated differently and everyone we had met before assumed he was a guy and treated him accordlingly.  He never got anything for free as far as we know. Hell, I think the last time we gave him grief over it was sometime back when we were still doing the Barrens.

Some people in these games are just inordinately pervy and really, they tend to flock together.  Many people from this game guild are tards that do in game marriages and can often be found sitting down next to night elf women outside Orgrimmar. 



Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Hoax on July 15, 2005, 01:00:55 PM
That shit happens all the time from my experience, gamers as a rule tolerate a higher level of incompetence from players with female avatars.  It is sad but true, let me relate a story...

MPBattleTech 3050, early open beta...

I was playing for House Marik which has always been the black sheep of the BTech universe, we were horribly outnumbered and bordered by the large population Steiner and the smallish but very power-gamer Liao.  In this game you would pick a contested planet on, then play a semi-fps simplied style of btech in 4v4 matches to gain points of control once one side gained enough control they could move on to planets deeper in enemy territory.

After developing close ties with some of the better Marik players and getting organized, we were making a big offensive push one evening.  I was grouped with two randoms and one good player and we were trouncing the competition.  Then an enemy player joins with some stupid chick name (that involved hotty, girl, diva or something).  Suddenly my whole team which is on a 8 game win streak or so goes stupid.  We actually loose, and nobody seems to mind, everyone is commenting on "her" good shots n shit.  I mean there is no avatar she's a freaking mech named a Hunchback with a giant autocannon for a shoulder.  I seriously got so pissed off after 3 matches of crappy play and these idiots falling over each other to win "her" favor that I started only going after her, kicking the shit out of her and then calling her a man/bitch/idiot/newbie and telling her to piss off so the rest of my team would go back to not sucking.  They got pissed at me, there was an arguement, and she left all upset.  We took the planet about 10min later and went on to have a very good night, before our lack of numbers spread us too thin like it always did.

The next day, I'm online and somebody with a very similar name to the supposed female player who I belittled, now on my team msg's me up.  Confused and curious I just let them talk, and even apologize and explain I was just annoyed that my team acted like idiots at the thought of a female gamer.  Then she goes psychotic and starts telling me how she has an abusive father and whatnot, I shit you not.  I logged off and didn't come back for about a week. 

Something very similar to this happened to me in EQ1, so basically I tend to despise, fear and be annoyed by female avatars because I've had two very strange and very disturbing online experiences if I ever end up talking to them...

Not sure why but I thought that story would help anyone out there who finds themselves being a little more tolerant of bad players using female characters.  You know who you are, and I gaurentee there are some on these boards.  It is a very subconcious thing but I dont think its only the pervs, they are just the ones that take it to the following female night elves around throwing gold at them and sitting next to them at the bank in IF trying to have pleasant conversations.



Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Lantien on July 15, 2005, 04:01:46 PM
Funny WoW story

Hey Rasix, now that you're finally done with WoW, you can spill the beans now about the horde right?  :-D

I'm just kidding.. it's not going to be the same with you gone.. there's no one to commisserate about a certain Alliance player who tends to spam the hell out of our boards.

Although if what you were talking about earlier about your guild becoming more Raid oriented is true, I imagine you would of been neck deep in fever with this new patch, ugh.

As for the conversation now veering towards the notion of female avatars getting more of a free pass than male avatars, I have noticed that for myself I'm less likely to chew out a female avatar than a male avatar. However, this tends to go both ways. I've also noticed that female avatars tend to get a misogynistic backlash, or outright patronized too.

I generally believe that if you're going to roll a female char, than I'll generally refer to your char in the female gender form, unless otherwise specified. Tends to keep things easier than trying to remember "Hmm, is that person a chick or a dude irl?".

PS: the new smilies are brilliant.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Rasix on July 18, 2005, 04:12:55 PM
Funny WoW story

Hey Rasix, now that you're finally done with WoW, you can spill the beans now about the horde right?  :-D

I'm just kidding.. it's not going to be the same with you gone.. there's no one to commisserate about a certain Alliance player who tends to spam the hell out of our boards.



Here's an interesting bit that only you will find interesting, the pervy guild leader in question is Security from Trespass.  I still don't see how he got to be somewhat of a horde celebrity on our server.  Trespass was (probably still is) one of the most underachieving guilds on the server.  Not to mention they're a collective of magina control freaks, elf cybering orcs, and general compulsive /dance emoting, slobbering tards.  Ohh wait, you were "just kidding".. but damn.. there's just so much I should probably jot down somewhere.  So many tales of abject stupidy and general ridiculousness.

Hehe, here's half of an article I wrote for raging douchebag week but never posted.  Inspired by our favorite night elf attention whore:

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Given an absence of catagorization and purpose with a blank slate to draw upon, a WoW server community board could take whatever shape the users of the board wish it too.  Like the communities spawned in game, the server boards are, for lack of a better and more PC term, "completely fucking gay".  Never before have I witnessed a greater amount of bumpfuzzling, back patting, and virtual rimjobbing in a community. Now, this might manifest itself more completely on a PVE server board, as there's no current reason or real incentive for animosity, but a cursory glance at the PVP board reveals much of the same.

If you can stomach these boards, you've likely rolled a night elf, read self-help literature for fun, and enjoy typing uplifting haikus and mailing them off to your co-workers. It's amazing how disgustingly sweet a forum can be in a game that includes the word "Warcraft" in its title.  If the game designers had based the game on the general atmosphere of the boards, I'd be doing quests to help overweight gnomes feel better about themselves, seeing how many night elves I could flirt with in a hour, and then for an elite quest: defeat the grammar dragon by rapid-fire typing in broken English. Your "r u fem irl" hits Grammartron for 1337 points of confusion damage!

Instead of becoming a hotbed for inter-guild trash talk, character assassination, and commerce which one might suspect would happen considering that's what most Everquest board ended up becoming:  they've all become the general chat section.  Stupid attention hogging asswipes attempting their darndest to endear themselves to the entire viewing audience.  This has given rise to a number of generic poster types that I want stab repeatedly with physical representation of my animosity towards their existance (preferibly a big, serated knife):

The Blogger (or the MEMEME):

Ever wanted to know absolutely everything some anonymous night elf mangina does in game and their introspective views on it? You're in luck. You'll get to follow this person's struggles through newbiedom, mid-level crises, and eventual "ding 60, I love you all!" post. In every post they've been sucking up to the main uber guild, so it's no shock that later on you'll hear about them adjusting to uber life, the trials and tribulation of Molten Core, and how they deal with the "lesser" folk. Stay tuned for insightful Battlegrounds musings to come!

Anyone that tells this person to shut the fuck up and get a blog gets grilled for 5 pages by her throng of fawning night elf pals 4 life. This person, also for making themselves beloved by the community as a whole, gets a free pass on anything shitty they do. They can be the biggest prick in game and get nothing more than, "Ohh, she's just a big sweetie, you're an asshole!" even though the mangina just ninja-looted a purple item, threw a fit, and then stranded some group after hearthstoning and logging out. But because she shared with everyone the first time she got loot from Lucifron in only 1000 words of sugary bullshit, everything is forgiven.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Hanzii on July 19, 2005, 04:00:39 AM
We have a girl in out 30-40 person WoW guild... I think, they all have weird names.
She mentioned it in guildspeak or used the female pronoun regarding herself or somesuch. I told her, that there's no real females on the internet and that was the end of that.

Puzzle Pirates has a large female popolution, but apart from a slightly embaressing picture-thread (where those females that participated did it freely) there's been no real reaction one way or the other... but that game has (or used to have) a more mature playerbase.


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Ward on July 19, 2005, 06:36:01 AM
I play horde... and maybe its just me... but I guess I must tend to run into all the real women that play female characters... over the 4 months I have been playing I have met 5 females (that have been confirmed) playing on the horde side... (2 of them played UO prior to Wow and one of them was even a lead PvPer in UO)

but then again... this must be a fluke... cause some of my friends who play the on the same server as I do, havent even (or heard the voice of to be 100% sure) a female in game... oh well sux to be them...


It could be a conspiricy... as I dont do the things the general pervy population does... I think the few females who do play are stalking me...  they are telling all their friends that there is a little orc rogue that is not the usuall pervert... there after me... help me please...

(ok maybe after that tirade I will be safe... :P)


Title: Re: Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?
Post by: Lantien on July 19, 2005, 01:02:39 PM

Here's an interesting bit that only you will find interesting, the pervy guild leader in question is Security from Trespass.  I still don't see how he got to be somewhat of a horde celebrity on our server.  Trespass was (probably still is) one of the most underachieving guilds on the server.  Not to mention they're a collective of magina control freaks, elf cybering orcs, and general compulsive /dance emoting, slobbering tards.  Ohh wait, you were "just kidding".. but damn.. there's just so much I should probably jot down somewhere.  So many tales of abject stupidy and general ridiculousness.


Haha! I sort of expected it to be The Obsidian Syndicate, since they were the ones that did a spate of in game weddings lately.

From the non-uber Alliance perspective, most of us know of Trespass purely through the old TM/SS fights. Broken at that point had quit PVPing as a group, and you usually expected to see Trespass throw out 10-20 folks out in Hillsbrad. In fact, I learned a lot of how to PVP as a warrior from watching Security; to hamstring opponents, charge and AoE Fear, and target selection.

I honestly don't follow how far the Horde has gotten with respect to PvE content, because for the most part the Horde tends not to advertise, or maybe I'm mentally filtering out the Horde brag posts.

Btw, your old guild has finally opening up Alterac Valley again. They apparently grab 20 odd guild members, and then invite in as many of the good PVPers that want to get in on this that they can. One of the horde hinted that there is some Ventrillo/Teamspeak voice thrown in for fun. Alliance says "AV'S UP!", and 40 people pub it up.

Needless to say, the Horde have now publically declared they've won AV twice since it's gone up.  :rock_hard:

Needless to say on THAT, I'm avoiding AV. I love the idea of AV, I'd love to get AV faction; I don't want to be someone's cannon fodder.  :-D

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Evisceration of drama queen snipped

Yeouch. That's pretty much spot on. You should check out the realm forums when they come back up; the last few posts have been introspective and hippie-raver goofy. They're definitely fodder for the "Board Thread of the Day", except the last thing our server needs is a fresh infusion of drama.

As for the women gamers, one of the Interguild group on my server recently put up a Ventrillo server. I logged on, and there's a relatively decent representation of female voices (more than one). There's always the prerequisite "oh snap, you're a Dude?" and the hilarious southern accent sprinkled in though.