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Title: Oprah Zulu Post by: Shockeye on June 15, 2005, 10:25:12 AM Quote from: BBC US chat show host could be a Zulu (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4096706.stm) Last Updated: Wednesday, 15 June, 2005, 16:25 GMT 17:25 UK DNA experts have questioned Oprah Winfrey's belief that she is a member of South Africa's Zulu nation. The African-American chat-show host announced during a recent visit to South Africa that she had had a DNA test that had shown her to be a Zulu. She also told South Africans she felt "at home" in the country. "I went in search of my roots and had my DNA tested, and I am a Zulu," Ms Winfrey said at a seminar in Johannesburg last week. Professor Himla Soodyall of South Africa's National Health Laboratory Service said it was likely that Oprah Winfrey would have taken a mitochondrial DNA test. "This involves tracing only one particular line in a person's ancestry, which passes from mother to all her children but then only transmitted to the next generation by her daughters," she said. In other words, the test can trace a genetic line of a person only to their mother, their maternal grandmother, and so on, matching only one ancestor in each generation. Identifying a person on the basis of their DNA can only be done by comparing their DNA results with the those of other people who were already tested and their data recorded in a database. "The conclusion that she had Zulu ancestry would indicate that Oprah's mitochondrial DNA lineage must have had an identical match to someone in the global database who was identified as a Zulu individual," Prof Soodyall said. Prof Soodyall pointed out, however, that genetic lineages did not correspond precisely to cultural or linguistic groups such as the Zulu nation. "There is not much to distinguish between various linguistic groups, particularly the different language groups spoken in southern Africa, because they have diversified more recently - perhaps within the past 1,000-1,500 years - than genetic differences which have been evolving in our species for about 150,000 years ago," she said. The historical movement of people around the African continent makes the situation still more complicated. This could, however, explain how Ms Winfrey's DNA matched with a sample from a Zulu person, even though most African-Americans have ancestors who have been traced to west Africa as a consequence of the slave trade. According to most historical accounts, the Zulu nation was consolidated only after the departure of slaves from west Africa to the Americas. South Africa nevertheless has a special place in Ms Winfrey's heart. "I'm crazy about the South African accent," she said. "I wish I had been born here." Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: tazelbain on June 15, 2005, 10:54:33 AM Quote "I'm crazy about the South African accent," she said. "I wish I had been born here." I really doubt you'd have been a multi-billionaire media empress if you had been have born there. So would you really want to have been born there? I hate to see an American success story like Oprah dismiss her American Heritage. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Miasma on June 15, 2005, 11:04:33 AM Quote "I'm crazy about the South African accent," she said. "I wish I had been born here." I really doubt you'd have been a multi-billionaire media empress if you had been have born there. So would you really want to have been born there? I hate to see an American success story like Oprah dismiss her American Heritage. I can't believe she said that. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Mesozoic on June 15, 2005, 11:07:09 AM It's pretty clear that she said that only in regards to the accent. Picking apart peoples' words and using the worst possible interpretation is exactly what makes politicians so ridiculously guarded in their speech.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: HaemishM on June 15, 2005, 11:07:47 AM I can't believe she cared whether she was a Zulu enough to get a DNA test.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Shockeye on June 15, 2005, 11:10:33 AM I can't believe she cared whether she was a Zulu enough to get a DNA test. Well, as the article points out, she may not be a Zulu at all. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: HaemishM on June 15, 2005, 11:15:07 AM I may not be Scottish, but you don't see them pricking me with needles to find out.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: WayAbvPar on June 15, 2005, 11:19:51 AM I may not be Scottish, but you don't see them pricking me with needles to find out. Or needling your prick, for that matter. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Paelos on June 15, 2005, 11:30:10 AM The Scots would hate you either way.
Damn Scots. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Yegolev on June 15, 2005, 12:37:30 PM I wonder if she knows there are like eleven different languages in South Africa? I have spoken with at least three different South Africans at length, one just today, and they all sounded pretty different to me.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: AOFanboi on June 15, 2005, 01:59:46 PM Why pick Zulu? In South Africa, rulers == ANC and ANC ~= Xhosa. The Zulu party, Inkhata (sp?)... well, was it swallowed up by some alliance or does it still exist?
She should have gone there when the ANC vs. Inkhata wars raged - not a good time to tell people you were Zulu. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Merusk on June 15, 2005, 04:26:15 PM Why Zulu? Because she's still an American and that's the only tribe 90% of the population would recognize if you said it.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Paelos on June 15, 2005, 08:53:31 PM Why Zulu? Because she's still an American and that's the only tribe 90% of the population would recognize if you said it. DING DING DING! Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Nazrat on June 16, 2005, 05:04:46 AM Oprah should trade out her diamond necklace for a South African tire fire necklace. That way both countries win.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Ironwood on June 16, 2005, 05:29:23 AM I don't understand : They can actually measure the Midochlorians in your DNA now ?
OMG. (Oh and the Scots don't need your prick. We have enough pricks over here...) Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Yegolev on June 16, 2005, 06:55:32 AM (Oh and the Scots don't need your prick. We have enough pricks over here...) Aren't most of those in Edinburgh? Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Paelos on June 16, 2005, 07:06:47 AM (Oh and the Scots don't need your prick. We have enough pricks over here...) Aren't most of those in Edinburgh? No they're in sheep. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Ironwood on June 16, 2005, 07:30:46 AM (Oh and the Scots don't need your prick. We have enough pricks over here...) Aren't most of those in Edinburgh? No they're in sheep. Go Forth and Multiply Yourself, God-Botherer. :-D Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Signe on June 16, 2005, 07:31:20 AM (Oh and the Scots don't need your prick. We have enough pricks over here...) Aren't most of those in Edinburgh? No they're in sheep. You are obviously confusing Scotland with Wales. Stupid monkey. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Paelos on June 16, 2005, 07:46:59 AM I saw an opportunity, and I took it. I am not ashamed. :-P
And really, who thinks of Wales anymore? It's like the UK's bastard son that people only reference when talking about Catherine Zeta-Jones. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Yegolev on June 16, 2005, 07:49:31 AM And Tom Jones.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Ironwood on June 16, 2005, 09:17:45 AM Wales is now massive. It's everywhere. Why ? Doctor Who.
Don't knock it. (Oh and Charlotte Church. You know, for the children.) Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Yegolev on June 16, 2005, 10:05:02 AM Tom Jones kicks ass.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Strazos on June 16, 2005, 04:13:27 PM Hey, I'm Welsh (among other things).
My aunt cared enough to recently have a test to determine the actual percentage of our blood which is Native American, and it came back with more than a high enough percentage to dance in powows or something (don't ask). Also, it came back with between 2-7% Sub-Saharan African...So should I start putting That down on all my forms when it asks for ethnicity, or should I stay with the Pacific Islander I've been using all my life? Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: voodoolily on June 16, 2005, 04:20:14 PM Oprah should trade out her diamond necklace for a South African tire fire necklace. That way both countries win. Yeah, I wonder how many of "her people" lost limbs for her bling. I can only say that I'm German with any pride because my people left Germany with Katherine the Great to Russia and came to the US via Brazil in the turn of the last century. So we had nothing to do with, you know. That Horrible Thing. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Strazos on June 16, 2005, 04:21:52 PM We're part German as well, but have no idea from which period.
My mother refuses to buy, or even test drive, and German car. No Porsche or BMW for me to borrow. :| Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Shockeye on June 16, 2005, 04:22:12 PM I can only say that I'm German with any pride because my people left Germany with Katherine the Great to Russia and came to the US via Brazil in the turn of the last century. So we had nothing to do with, you know. That Horrible Thing. Lederhosen? Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: voodoolily on June 16, 2005, 04:29:18 PM heh. no, Kraftwerk.
I just remembered that I'm part Welsh too. My paternal grandmother's family came from Wales. Dang but those people talk weird. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Shockeye on June 16, 2005, 04:39:24 PM Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Ironwood on June 17, 2005, 02:51:15 AM Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Bunk on June 18, 2005, 08:37:37 AM Hey, I'm Welsh (among other things). My aunt cared enough to recently have a test to determine the actual percentage of our blood which is Native American, and it came back with more than a high enough percentage to dance in powows or something (don't ask). Also, it came back with between 2-7% Sub-Saharan African...So should I start putting That down on all my forms when it asks for ethnicity, or should I stay with the Pacific Islander I've been using all my life? Hmm, thats interesting actually. There has been long running debate in my family about whether my Great-Grandmother was native or not. We know that the woman my Great-Grandfather lived with was native, but we can't get a clear answer on whether she was my Grandmother's mother (Great-Grandpa was a bit o' a ladies man apparently, or as some of his kids have said - a dirty old perv). I never thought about the idea of testing for such things... So I think I have you all covered - Im English/Scotish/Welsh/German/ and probably Micmac. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Strazos on June 19, 2005, 11:44:17 AM Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Strazos on June 19, 2005, 11:54:58 AM So I think I have you all covered - Im English/Scotish/Welsh/German/ and probably Micmac. I scoff at your attempt to crown yourself King Mutt of F13. The list, which is not complete (because I will probably miss something), is as follows: EVERYTHING within the UK/British Isles. (IE: Irish, Welsh, Scottish, English...am I missing anything here?) French Canadian French Canadian Native American German Spanish Scandinavian Greek Lithuanian Russian Sub-Saharan African (apparently) Pacific Islander (spec. Phillapino) Possibly also Polish and Dutch. I could be missing a few. So I win, right? Where is my funny hat? As an added bonus, my mother has traced our lineage back to at least the 11th AD. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Signe on June 19, 2005, 01:01:10 PM (http://www.aallnet.org/chapter/llne/LLNENews/v22n2/duncecap.jpg)
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Strazos on June 19, 2005, 01:49:04 PM Your Link-Fu is Weak, Signe.
In other news, I have about 20 days left in Europe. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Signe on June 19, 2005, 02:01:54 PM Don't talk about my Link-Fu.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: voodoolily on June 19, 2005, 08:14:44 PM Um, I don't think so. Electronica was CLEARLY created by Jean-Jaques Perrey and other early masters of the moog synthesizer (circa early 60s). Hell - Emerson, Lake and Palmer were a fucking synth breakthrough for their time (seriously, dude, don't get me started). Just because a bunch of German fags started putting the shit in discoteques first doesn't mean they invented it. Even Laurie Anderson was fucking around with synth in the 70s. It was everywhere. Germans didn't even invent the ubiquitous 'n-st n-st n-st' redundant electronica beat. They just loved it before the rest of the world did. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: schild on June 20, 2005, 01:22:35 AM Voodoolily, I hate to say this:
Just like Welles is the father of modern cinema - Kraftwerk is the father of modern synthpop and electronica. It's simply how it is. People don't give the Lumiere brothers credit for modern cinema - sure, they practically invented cinema, but they surely didn't make it an art form. They simply fucked around with a new technology. Much like the people you listed. And those "faggy germans" might have well have invented n-st n-st n-st with Autobahn back in '74. Arguably, their sound wasn't perfected until 1978 with "The Robots" on Man-Machine. They pushed it a little further with "Pocket Calculator" in 1981 though. In 1986 they released Electric Cafe, with some tracks such as "Boing Boom Tschak" which were lightyears ahead of what some of the other popular bands were doing. Personally, I think the most replayable record is The Mix. But that's just me. But that's neither here nor there, just because someone invents the instruments, it certainly doesn't mean they invent the art form. Quote I am adding and subtracting I'm controlling and composing I'm the operator with my pocket calculator Edit: I will however grant you that Kraftwerk was obviously influenced by others. But it takes a combination of timing, skill, and pure luck to make a sweeping change in music style like they did, much like Welles did before them with cinema. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Signe on June 20, 2005, 06:53:05 AM I used to use that bit of the song as my sig ages ago. I love Kraftwerk.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: WayAbvPar on June 20, 2005, 09:11:32 AM Yet another reason to hate Germany. I bet they are somehow behind country music too. Evil geniuses.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: schild on June 20, 2005, 09:49:05 AM Yet another reason to hate Germany. I bet they are somehow behind country music too. Evil geniuses. Nah, they're not. But Evil Geniuses indeed. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: voodoolily on June 20, 2005, 11:48:17 AM I wasn't saying that Kraftwerk isn't brilliant (and I use "fag" as a term of endearment. I actually wish I were one), I was just saying they didn't invent electronica. Which they didn't. The Brothers Quay also didn't invent stop-motion animation, they just made it creepy and wonderful. And Jimi Hendrix didn't invent the electric guitar, he just took it to unbelievable new heights. That was the only point I was making. But schild, I am impressed with your knowledge of (or ability to quickly google) the discography of Kraftwerk.
Edit: While I'm ranting, I'd also like to add that it annoys me when the true geniuses behind important memes in music (or any media, for that matter), don't get credit. I doubt most people who listen to electronica even know who Jean-Jacques Perry is (not that his music has much to do with modern electro). Or Africa Bambata (who, I believe, was sampled early on by German electro artists). And how many little wigger hip-hop wannabes know who Gil Scott Herron is? Or UTFO? They think fucking Sir Mix-A-Lot is old skool. Old skool my ass. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Furiously on June 20, 2005, 12:05:45 PM I don't understand : They can actually measure the Midochlorians in your DNA now ? OMG. (Oh and the Scots don't need your prick. We have enough pricks over here...) The force is strong in this one. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: schild on June 20, 2005, 05:47:13 PM I wasn't saying that Kraftwerk isn't brilliant (and I use "fag" as a term of endearment. I actually wish I were one), I was just saying they didn't invent electronica. Which they didn't. The Brothers Quay also didn't invent stop-motion animation, they just made it creepy and wonderful. And Jimi Hendrix didn't invent the electric guitar, he just took it to unbelievable new heights. That was the only point I was making. But schild, I am impressed with your knowledge of (or ability to quickly google) the discography of Kraftwerk. I have a long history of synth and electronica. Quite comprehensive (couple thousand CDs). That said, I think I said "they might as well have inventended it." That said, Strazos was absolutely right in using the word progenitor - which I do believe means "direct ancestor" which is to say - synthpop and much goth couldn't exist without them. They are the progenitors. Normally I stay away from musical conversations because I'm an egomaniac about it. But I couldn't help but edumacate you a bit ;) Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Daydreamer on June 21, 2005, 02:34:05 AM That techno/synth know-how needs a workout - perhaps a game of Six-Degrees-to-Kraftwerk is in order?
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Signe on June 21, 2005, 07:57:52 AM I'm beginning to think six degrees to Schild is a viable game.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Strazos on June 22, 2005, 07:51:23 AM You're only a winner if you can successfully complete a game of "Six Degrees to Strazos."
That would be difficult. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: voodoolily on June 22, 2005, 08:34:41 AM Six degrees to strazos (in reverse order, with strazos being the beginning):
1) Some nerd 2) some geek 3) some Adam Brody wannabe 4) some metrosexual 5) some fag 6) Kraftwerk Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Strazos on June 22, 2005, 08:37:36 AM Haha, you lose, loser.
Six degrees to strazos (in reverse order, with strazos being the beginning): 1) Some nerd 2) some geek 3) some Adam Brody wannabe 4) some metrosexual 5) some fag 6) Kraftwerk 1) correct 2) redundent 3) wrong (who?) 4) wrong (among other reasons, I have only fully shaved once in the past year or so, and designer labels can blow me). 5) er....wrong, heh. I believe you mean Schild. 6) n/a Come on, I know someone can do better. 1EU to the winnar! Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: voodoolily on June 22, 2005, 08:49:10 AM Strazos, the six-degree game isn't a list of your attributes, it's a connect-the-dots-using-random-people game. Adam Brody is Seth Cohen on the OC (an ADORABLE comic book geek who looks a little too hipsterish and has too many popular friends to be an actual geek). And, for the record, there is a distinct, albeit minute difference between a nerd and a geek. Some of us happen to be both.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Strazos on June 23, 2005, 04:25:52 AM My understanding is that you must make an actual link between whatever is at the beginning and end of the game, IE - pick a random actor, and try to connect them to Kevin Bacon through movies.
A actor was in Blah with B, who was in Crap with C, who was in something with D, who was in Bling with Kevin Bacon. That is why you lost. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Pococurante on June 23, 2005, 04:26:20 AM Well well - "Oprah's team" is not above creating a nasty scene to sell books. (http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/22/oprah.apology/index.html)
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Murgos on June 23, 2005, 06:26:27 AM What they wouldn't let her shop privately after the stores closing hours? Those fucking bastards! We should burn the place down! Don't they know that this is the Zulu nation they're dealing with now?
We'll show them a 'crash moment'!!! Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Signe on June 23, 2005, 06:30:09 AM I haven't had bacon in ages. It's supposed to be bad for you, you know. It's lovely, though. Sometimes I dream about eating bacon. Bacon probably tastes better than anything. In my dreams, I smoke cigarettes after eating bacon.
I miss bacon. :cry: Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Shockeye on June 23, 2005, 06:41:37 AM Make sure you butter your bacon.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Furiously on June 23, 2005, 07:30:39 AM Make sure you butter your bacon. I always wanted to try wrapping cheese in bacon then battering it and deepfrying it. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Signe on June 23, 2005, 08:12:39 AM You can call it" Furiously's Deep-Fried Cheesy Beer Battered Buttered Bacon" and sell it to people who are already terminally ill.
I think we're on to something. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: voodoolily on June 23, 2005, 09:47:31 AM Ahh, bacon. Now you guys are talking my language. I made a down-home feast for Sauced's 30th b-day on Monday and pretty much everything had bacon or salt pork in it - even the vegetables! You know what makes a killer panini? Use cornbread instead of panini (make sure the cornbread has bacon fat and is baked in a cast-iron skillet), and put a shitload of thick, smoked pepper bacon, cheddar cheese and roasted chilis on it. Heaven!!
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Shockeye on June 23, 2005, 10:09:00 AM Grilled cheese with bacon sandwiches are amazingly good.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: voodoolily on June 23, 2005, 10:13:36 AM Grilled cheese with bacon sandwiches are amazingly good. Two great tastes that taste great together! Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Pococurante on June 23, 2005, 10:23:43 AM Lean Molasses Bacon, lightly buttered pan-grilled Jumbo shrimp/Prawns, frozen Jack cheese slivers, and young jalapenos sliced de-seeded and braised quickly in olive oil with fresh crush garlic and/or leek clove. Wrap the assemblage, toothpick them, and toss on the gas grill with a few wet mesquite chips for no more than three minutes.
THAT is how you eat bacon... 8-) Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Shockeye on June 23, 2005, 10:33:46 AM I find it appropriate that the Oprah thread has turned into a discussion on bacon.
I still remember the episode where she wheeled in a bag full of fat. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: OcellotJenkins on June 23, 2005, 10:38:24 AM Bacon on a stick is heaven out in the woods. It's also one of the few meats that doesn't spoil on extended backpacking trips.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: voodoolily on June 23, 2005, 10:44:20 AM Bacon is the gastronomic pair of rose-colored glasses. It just makes everything much more lovely. Sigh. I love you, bacon!
But I also love sausage. God, what ISN'T a pig good at? Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Pococurante on June 23, 2005, 10:45:51 AM Flying.
Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Shockeye on June 23, 2005, 10:47:04 AM But I also love sausage. You can always bacon-up your sausage. Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Shockeye on June 23, 2005, 10:48:13 AM Flying. Don't be so sure. (http://www.kithfan.org/work/transcripts/three/pig1.html) Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: voodoolily on June 23, 2005, 10:59:43 AM Flying. tee hee! Aw snap I was gonna post the Kids sketch, but Shockeye beat me to it. Oh, well. I really should start baconing up my sausage. I have two ventricles, right? Title: Re: Oprah Zulu Post by: Pococurante on June 23, 2005, 11:59:59 AM Don't be so sure. (http://www.kithfan.org/work/transcripts/three/pig1.html) BWAHAHAHA! Nice. But then I'm a line loser too. |