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Title: I guess it was an "enlistment bonus". Post by: Shockeye on June 08, 2005, 03:40:13 PM Quote from: Reuters Marine recruiters face sex charges in California (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2005-06-08T201640Z_01_N08265851_RTRIDST_0_USREPORT-CRIME-MARINES-RECRUITING-DC.XML) Wed Jun 8, 2005 4:16 PM ET SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Two U.S. Marine Corps recruiters in California face courts-martial on charges of sexual misconduct with potential teenage recruits, Marine officers said on Wednesday. A third Marine has been accused of providing liquor to the recruiting office. Staff Sgt. Joseph Dunzweiler and Sgt. Brian Fukushima, who worked at the recruiting office in Ukiah, abut 100 miles north of San Francisco, each face 11 counts of violating the military code of conduct, including having sex with two females aged 17 and 18 who were thinking about joining the Marines. Fukushima will be arraigned on Friday and Dunzweiler on June 20, said Lt. Carolyn Nelson, a Marine public information officer. If convicted, they face a maximum sentence of up to six months confinement, loss of two-thirds of their pay, and a bad conduct discharge, Nelson said. The charges also include failure to obey orders and regulations and making false statements. Staff Sgt. Francisco Ngayan, who worked in the Marine recruiting office in Santa Rosa, has been charged with providing liquor to the nearby Ukiah office in violation of military regulations, Maj. Michael Samarov said. Barry Vogel, a lawyer representing the 18-year-old woman, said there was partying and alcohol at the Ukiah office and the two Marines had sex with several women who were potential recruits, according to his client. "If the allegations are found to be true, this stands as a stark violation of what the Marine Corps is all about," Samarov said. Regulations forbid any sexual contact between recruiters and potential recruits and enlistees. Dunzweiler, Fukushima and Ngayan were not immediately available for comment. Samarov said the Ukiah incidents first became known in February, prompting a military investigation. There were no discipline problems before with the Ukiah recruiters, he added. The allegations come as the Marine Corps and Army struggle to attract new recruits amid the Iraq war. Military recruiters have said potential recruits and their parents were expressing wariness about enlisting during the war and that improving job opportunities also were affecting recruiting. Title: Re: I guess it was an "enlistment bonus". Post by: WayAbvPar on June 08, 2005, 04:02:31 PM They were just preparing the girls for life in the Corps. Wonder if they took any pictures of naked Iraqis while they were doing it?
Title: Re: I guess it was an "enlistment bonus". Post by: Strazos on June 08, 2005, 04:16:35 PM I just want pictures of the "grenades" these pencil-pushing Marines were diving on.
Title: Re: I guess it was an "enlistment bonus". Post by: Trippy on June 08, 2005, 04:33:46 PM Did they also paint their parents's houses?
Title: Re: I guess it was an "enlistment bonus". Post by: Pococurante on June 08, 2005, 04:54:49 PM They were just preparing the girls for life in the Corps. Quote from: Just Another Government Study We surveyed 828 women veterans seeking care at the Baltimore Veterans Affairs Medical Center to determine the prevalence of physical and sexual abuse experiences, both during and outside of military service. Data were collected through an anonymous, mailed questionnaire, with a response rate of 52%. Sixty-eight percent of respondents reported at least one form of abuse, and 27% reported all three. Sexual abuse was most common (55%), followed by physical abuse (48%), and rape (41%). (http://www.va.gov/OAA/pocketcard/physex.asp) If this were a joking topic I'd paraphrase Wolfman Jack from American Graffiti: Some of you boys are getting more than your share of rape. Title: Re: I guess it was an "enlistment bonus". Post by: Daydreamer on June 09, 2005, 04:21:39 AM Quote from: Just Another Government Study We surveyed 828 women veterans seeking care at the Baltimore Veterans Affairs Medical Center to determine the prevalence of physical and sexual abuse experiences, both during and outside of military service. Data were collected through an anonymous, mailed questionnaire, with a response rate of 52%. Sixty-eight percent of respondents reported at least one form of abuse, and 27% reported all three. Sexual abuse was most common (55%), followed by physical abuse (48%), and rape (41%). (http://www.va.gov/OAA/pocketcard/physex.asp) Dear God thats horrific. Even given that the samples are likely slightly biased (women seeking care at a hosptial; questionaire respondents are also statistically more likely to have experienced the subject in question) that is unbelievable. To think I supported my Ex when she tried to enlist in the Air Force, oy.... Title: Re: I guess it was an "enlistment bonus". Post by: Nazrat on June 09, 2005, 04:58:27 AM I think that they might have a sampling problem with those that were abused being more likely to respond than those who weren't and just threw away the survey.
Also, they are surveying veterans with the average age being 42 years old. That seems like they are going to hear from those in the "bad old days." Hell, I'm 36 and I started serving in the 80's. I'm sure that there is plenty of harassment going on. However, I'm not sold that this survey is the end of the discussion. Title: Re: I guess it was an "enlistment bonus". Post by: Murgos on June 09, 2005, 06:06:42 AM Meh, There was a girl in one of my units who filed rape charges against the OIC (Officer in Charge) for jumping around a door in a Chemical Protective Overgarment and Field Protective Mask and scaring her. The Marines takes any charge like that VERY seriously and there was a near six month investigation that marred this guys otherwise perfect career and put his marriage in serious jeopardy and probably cost the gov't a lot of money. The girl was moved to another unit and I never heard from her again.
I'm sure that if asked she would probably say she was a victim of all three of those forms of abuse. This was the only incident I ever witnessed in 6 years of serivce. As far as the recruiters go, yeah they should be punished for what they did but the rest of the military is just going to see that as an example of 'don't get caught'. Go hang out in a Marine Corps recruiting office for a day or two and you will see girls practically throwing themselves at the recruiters, they don't really want to enlist they just want to 'date' a Marine and these are captive and easy to find. There is no sacred trust that is being violated here, no 'privledged relationship', it's against regs to date a potential recruit but once they are Marines it's not unlawful and if they aren't potential recruits it's just normal human behavior. So, a big, Meh, for this one. The alchohol is, in my mind, a more serious problem but only slightly because as soon as the 18 year old Marine hits Camp Pendleton he/she can, tax free (yes, thats like 8 bucks for a fith of Jack), drink himself silly with the blessing of Commandant. Title: Re: I guess it was an "enlistment bonus". Post by: TheWalrus on June 09, 2005, 08:16:26 AM FYI this has changed to reflect the drinking age of whatever country you may be in. US is now 21, spain is like 14, etc...
Title: Re: I guess it was an "enlistment bonus". Post by: Pococurante on June 09, 2005, 10:10:51 AM Murgos I'll see your apocrypha and raise you more science. The Baltimore VA is hardly the only agency that's released a study.
NPR ran a segment on the topic just last week - the most provocative correlation they mentioned while interviewing the military doctors is that women who go into the military were significantly more likely than their civilian equivalents to have been abused/molested. Exactly why is not completely understood but women today are more independent than formerly and I personally can see it as a reaction to take back control over themselves. This came out in a study of PTS for the current veterans coming home and the military psychologists were trying to define why women PTS victims numbered more than men and tended to have more disabling cases of it. Turns out these women were dealing with pre-enlistment stress from abuse, more stress from abuse during enlistment, then finally combat trauma pushed them over the edge. Just because a buddy is cool to drink with and gets your back in combat doesn't mean he's not a predator when no one else is watching. |