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This is going to own.  This is going to make Empire look like flowers and bunnies.  The streets will flow with the blood of the naysayers.  You heard it here first.

The trailer looks interesting, but really turns the conventional wisdom on the movies on its head.  So Vader was just this confused kid who thought he was doing the right thing by helping the government defend itself against a rebellion led by a group of Jedi who didn't let him into their cool club?  Seems to me that by the time of A New Hope he was quite happy blasting planets into space dust.  Perhaps that should have clued him in that he was on the wrong path.

Bruce

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The trailer looks interesting, but really turns the conventional wisdom on the movies on its head.  So Vader was just this confused kid who thought he was doing the right thing by helping the government defend itself against a rebellion led by a group of Jedi who didn't let him into their cool club?  Seems to me that by the time of A New Hope he was quite happy blasting planets into space dust.  Perhaps that should have clued him in that he was on the wrong path.

How can anyone even give a shit anymore? Seriously.

Seems like it's only the Star Wars fans that want to hate it.

Because most people don't take it as seriously as you do (or did)?

This is going to own.  This is going to make Empire look like flowers and bunnies.  The streets will flow with the blood of the naysayers.  You heard it here first.

The trailer looks interesting, but really turns the conventional wisdom on the movies on its head.  So Vader was just this confused kid who thought he was doing the right thing by helping the government defend itself against a rebellion led by a group of Jedi who didn't let him into their cool club?  Seems to me that by the time of A New Hope he was quite happy blasting planets into space dust.  Perhaps that should have clued him in that he was on the wrong path.

Bruce

On another note, the 3rd matrix didn't suck, most people are just too stupid to truly understand it.

On another note, the 3rd matrix didn't suck, most people are just too stupid to truly understand it.

On another note, the 3rd matrix didn't suck, most people are just too stupid to truly understand it.

You just totally missed the entire concept of the light side and the dark side of the force didn't you? Well, really the entire mythic underpinings of the series seems to have gone over your head.

And yes, the 3rd one looks awesome.

On another note, the 3rd matrix didn't suck, most people are just too stupid to truly understand it.

I understood the whole philosophical/religious/myth thing, and I actually liked that part of it. What I didn't like about the sequels was Zion. I know it was necessary to get into that aspect of it, but I think they concentrated on it a bit too much, or perhaps just went about it in the wrong way. The sequels lost a lot of the charm that the first film had. The series had stopped becoming about the "Matrix".

Troll much?

Bruce

On another note, the 3rd matrix didn't suck, most people are just too stupid to truly understand it.

And yes, the 3rd one looks awesome.

On another note, the 3rd matrix didn't suck, most people are just too stupid to truly understand it.

The 3rd Star Wars will suck. Lucas is a bad director.

Nope. You just made a totally silly commentary which told me you had no concept of the underlying mythos of Star Wars. Look, it's not a Greek epic, but it does have a mythos and Vader is at the center of this part of it. You may have just been trying to be silly and a smart ass which is all fine. However, if you weren't it tells me you haven't understood the movies at all.

Not a big deal, it's only a movie, but it is funny really.

This is ironic, since it is your post that, in actuality, wasis a totally silly commentary which told me you had no concept of the underlying mythos of Star Wars.  You may have just been trying to be silly and a smart ass which is all fine.  However, if you weren't it tells me you haven't understood the movies at all.

Not a big deal, it's only a movie, but it is funny really.

Bruce

Why don't you get your self-important head out of your ass and stop being so fucking Elitist.  That's Schild Schtick.

The way I understood it was that Vader/dark jedi had to make a concious decision to be evil and pursue the short path to power.  That THAT was the essence of the dark side, quick easy power but at the price of your humanity.  Vader being a dupe doesn't fit that bill.

Half the movie was a CGI shootout, what's to get there exactly?

Why don't you get your self-important head out of your ass and stop being so fucking Elitist.  That's Schild Schtick.

Also, I am not a fried freezer food. There is no such thing as a Schild Schtick. Just because I see near every movie released and don't draw that many grey lines doesn't make me an elitist asshole. What makes me an elitist asshole is that I know I'm better than you because you say things like "That's Schild Schtick."

I wonder if such a thing were marketted if we could use it as a fund raiser of some kind....

Midnight sales only take place at Wal-Mart.

Could you aim just a little higher please?  :roll:

viewers were lead on to believe it was gonna be another hero/messiah tale, where the "bad guys" lose in the end. That it would end with Neo kicking the machines' asses. A lot of people, kids especially, didn't have the patience when it turned out to be something entirely different.

The way I understood it was that Vader/dark jedi had to make a concious decision to be evil and pursue the short path to power.  That THAT was the essence of the dark side, quick easy power but at the price of your humanity.  Vader being a dupe doesn't fit that bill.

Trust me, he's not exactly a dupe.  He deliberately does things that no one could possibly sell as non-eeevil.

Well they refer to it as a seduction for a reason. I believe it's more like...by the time you realize you're Darkside, you're corrupted.

And yes, everyone who has posted in this thread is an unrepentant geek.

The Vader stuff is crazy talk anyways. Why even think about this? These movies are meant to be enjoyed on a very superficial level. There's room to think about these things, of course, but why would you want to? Can't you just have fun with them? Or just simply dislike it?

And besides, this is all bullshit anyways. No matter what you think is inferred from the last two films (about Anakin's corruption), no one here knows what Lucas has written for the next one. Maybe he's thought of this himself and found a sufficient explanation. No?

Or perhaps the brilliant plan of, "Hey, Anakin is going to be looking for his children, so lets hide one on Tatooine, you know, his home planet, with the same family that Anakin's mother later lived with, oh and we'll leave the Jedi that dropped Anakin into a volcano there in a cave to watch over him, but don't worry, because Anakin will NEVER THINK TO LOOK THERE." is more to your liking?

Sorry Riggs; thats the gheyest excuse for being eeevil that I think anyone has tried to run by me since Episode I was released.  If you realize you've gone the wrong way you can change, its the center part of most religions.  No, the seduction is the short path to power, you have to choose to take it.  The act of choosing to go the easy route knowing that it leads to corruption and evil is in itself an evil act.

Kindergarten morality like, "He didn't know he was evil until it was too late, so he just kinda went with it.  You know?" isn't going to fly.  Vaders redemption at the end of VI is far more powerful because he willingly chose to be evil for the benefit of power and then abandons that power and all that he gained by it for the love of his child.

And yes, everyone who has posted in this thread is an unrepentant geek.

Force as religion vs midichlorians: This is so easy to explain it is pathetic. To outsiders, the force is some hokey religion. The jedi understand it better, but aren't about to tell outsiders more than they need to know. It's called protecting your own mystique and power.

C3PO: Memory wipe. Something Lucas has said will happen to him either in Episode 3 or between episodes. Duh.

Tatooine: Kinda got me there. Worse than hiding him there is leaving him with the name Skywalker.

If anyone can think of anything of real value that was added by the recent films, I'd like to know. I would have much preferred that the first 3 films stand on their own as a trilogy which simply hinted at events of the last 3 films; instead, they seem to exist only to tell us everything we already knew, just in more detail.

One thing that has been bugging me because it has been said multiple times, but Vader didn't blow up any planets. That would be Grand Moff Tarkin.  In fact, he really doesn't individually do anything particularly bad in the Eps IV - VI except force choke a few people and strangle the pilot of Leias transport.  Everything else was him basically killing underlings or searching for the rebels, which would fit into the concept that he may have thought it was a good thing (insert discussiong of the rebels as leftist terrorists from Clerks) in service of his government.

My view of the Dark Side based upon the movies isn't that it is an external source, but it is simply giving into the darker side of yourself. The Emporer constantly talks about "giving into your hate" and that this will make you powerful. Yoda and Obi-Wan talk about not giving into your fear, which is another negative emotion. So the Dark Side is internal in that it is just releasing the darker part of your personality, which is powerful but self destructive.

My view of the Dark Side based upon the movies isn't that it is an external source, but it is simply giving into the darker side of yourself. The Emporer constantly talks about "giving into your hate" and that this will make you powerful. Yoda and Obi-Wan talk about not giving into your fear, which is another negative emotion. So the Dark Side is internal in that it is just releasing the darker part of your personality, which is powerful but self destructive.

But then we're back to the whole problem that Vader is evil because Vader is evil. Not because he has been corrupted. If Vader is basically Hitler in space, then Return of the Jedi falls apart. You can't redeem someone who is evil. It just doesn't happen in real life. A serial killer doesn't just save his own child and suddenly become a good person.  But, if we're dealing with it on a mythic level, and Vader was a decent guy who was simply corrupted by an evil force (the One Ring analogy again) then he can be redeemed and it returns to an epic, mythic story.

But come Star Wars, Vader is EVIL.

the Midi-chlorians see into the future then TELL the people

To say that he was blowing up planets for his own satisfaction would be to entirely miss the point of the movies.  The Empire wouldn't have held together had the government (of which he was, effectively, VP) been doing that.  If the populace hadn't understood some level of cause-effect that seemed rational to them, they wouldn't have thrown their support behind it.

But the plot of the first 3 movies is that he never really was evil, just misguided.

Most people who are evil don't consider themselves such.  This is evil both big and small - whether you're lying to your boss/friend, or participating in genocide, you're going to justify your actions to yourself.

In the case of blowing up Alderaan, Vader had two motives.  One, was to show the lengths that the Empire was willing to go to in order to demand compliance.  Remember, there was a rebellion that was alive and well.  It was organized, funded, and a very REAL threat to the Empire's existance.  And here he had Leia, a member of the Senate (the Empire's own governing body), and a well connected member of said rebellion.  She had information crippling to the Empire, and he had to solicit compliance from her, in particular.

Most entities will go to ANY length to ensure their own survival.  Governments, both real and fictitious, can be counted upon to act in the same way that individuals will.  Threaten a government, and it will react - violently - to defend itself.  Without trying to draw too much parallel, one of the reasons to drop the bombs on Japan - to demonstrate US power, and willingness to use that power.  The other reason was to answer the question of whether Japan's surrender would be conditional or not.

To say that he was blowing up planets for his own satisfaction would be to entirely miss the point of the movies.  The Empire wouldn't have held together had the government (of which he was, effectively, VP) been doing that.  If the populace hadn't understood some level of cause-effect that seemed rational to them, they wouldn't have thrown their support behind it.

Umm, you mean like how he thought through the whole "20 years ago we knew Jedi powers derived from real things called Medichlorians, but in less than a generation is was considered a hokey old religion based on supersition?" thing?  Or how about the whole part where C-3PO should be saying, "Master Luke, perhaps now would be a good time to mention that I was actually built by your father and oh, by the way, he's Darth Vader?" but doesn't?  Or perhaps the brilliant plan of, "Hey, Anakin is going to be looking for his children, so lets hide one on Tatooine, you know, his home planet, with the same family that Anakin's mother later lived with, oh and we'll leave the Jedi that dropped Anakin into a volcano there in a cave to watch over him, but don't worry, because Anakin will NEVER THINK TO LOOK THERE." is more to your liking?

A sufficient explanation?  I'll take "No" for $500, Alex.

Bruce

Also, I can't remember from episodes 4-6, but did Vader even know he had children before he bumped into Luke? 

Yes, he knew he had made a woman pregnant, but didn't know there was more than one child (and thus didn't know about Leia).  As for Luke, it's never made clear how he figured out he was his son, but probably once he found out his name, it made sense, and he put the pieces together in-between Star Wars and Empire.

Bruce

But then we're back to the whole problem that Vader is evil because Vader is evil. Not because he has been corrupted. If Vader is basically Hitler in space, then Return of the Jedi falls apart. You can't redeem someone who is evil. It just doesn't happen in real life. A serial killer doesn't just save his own child and suddenly become a good person.

Just because the Empire had motivation to blow up the planet doesn't make it rational or right.

Yea, religious subtext is HARD. Don't be so dumb. They aren't too stupid to understand it, the movie just wasn't very good. The shit you're talking about people "not understanding" was like a hit across the face with a five iron. Subtlety is not the Wachowski's best quality.

The 3rd Star Wars will suck. Lucas is a bad director.

Yes, he knew he had made a woman pregnant, but didn't know there was more than one child (and thus didn't know about Leia).  As for Luke, it's never made clear how he figured out he was his son, but probably once he found out his name, it made sense, and he put the pieces together in-between Star Wars and Empire.

Bruce

You're telling me that people died and in the end it was just ok to have a truce with the machines that were using them as fucking Energizer Bunnies? WTF?

The humans were lucky enough that the machines accepted Neo's offer of peace -- especially when they didn't have to. All he had to do was prove it -- and he did. Every other incarnation of "Neo" (which the Architect mentioned) was a warrior/Messiah, a one sided entity that fought only for the human cause. They all failed. The machines kept wiping the Matrix waiting for a "Neo" that got his head out of his ass and realize that coexistence was the only option. Finally, the last one did.

That last fight with Smith wasn't a showdown with the "evil" bad guy. It was a test.

Then he decides he really just wants to take it over and make everyone him? WTF?

The lack of exposition at the end really hurt the movie, IMO. Not because every tragic ending needs an explanation but because all the shit that led up to it previously told us nothing about what we needed to know in order to process it. The architect walking up to the Oracle at the end on the park bench... ghey. It was a whole bunch of sound and fury and loud obnoxious gun battles, but very little resolution and very little explanation of what the Matrix was and should be.

Why, the midichlorians, of course!   :-D

No, you're right. You bring up the best point here, I think. The prequels weren't really necessary. A good waste of time perhaps (depending on the viewer), but still unnecessary.

Correct, motivation doesn't determine moral judgement.  However, I was discussing motivation, not morality.  You misrepresented the motivation; I corrected it.  Following through with it still makes him unfun, but the motivation makes a big difference on the character development.  If he had killed people simply for amusement, then it would be really difficult to answer why he wouldn't redeemed himself at all in the end.  If, however, his motivations were some sort of obscene altruism, his objection to watching his son be tortured to death for what seemed to be the Emperor's personal pleasure was more plausible, as was his reason for killing the Emperor. 

The 3rd movie just threw things in to spin wheels, like that entire time in the train station. I mean, what was that about?

It's odd that such crappy movies can inspire such discussion.

...that entire time in the train station. I mean, what was that about? It served no purpose, other than an excuse to put that annoying Frenchman back into the movie.

I thought that was a great trailer. However, my expectations for the movie are still lower than dirt. I expect that since Lucas has not let go one iota of control, it will still have less story and good character development than most midget pr0n. I'm also positive he will take every liberty he can with continuity, bend my childhood over a table and have sweaty mansex with the broken shreds of my innocence.

Why?

Ewoks.

Sati is shown several times over the course of the movie, and yes, that was her at the end, and yes, her journey was important to understanding the movie. She is essentially what made Neo realize that co-existence was the key.

News: A Brief History of The Matrix

The Matrix is an illusion. It appears to be America at the turn of the 21st century; a vast megacity and an adjacent mountain range. In truth it is a virtual, digital world that humans experience through feeds running directly to their nervous systems. These humans experience an artificial life in the Matrix, unaware of their real state.

In reality, the actual date is unknown, but it is believed to be a couple of centuries later. The proprietors of the Matrix are machines that have won a war with humankind. In the war the sky was “scorched,” denying them their source of energy, solar power. Instead, they now use sleeping humans, enclosed in liquid-filled pods on vast batteries, to generate heat that becomes electricity.

A few free humans, based in an underground city of Zion, resist the Machines and hope to defeat the Matrix system, which they see as a form of slavery. These free humans, too, can jack into the Matrix, by lurking close under the surface world in their hovercraft. But when they do, they are ruthlessly hunted down by Agents of the Machines. One can die in the Matrix.

A Hovercraft Captain named Morpheus has heard a prophecy that there is one who can control the Matrix reality by will alone. Morpheus Summons Neo and explains the true state of affairs. He thinks Neo, a young man awakened from the illusion and brought from his pod into the real world, is The One.

Neo’s powers awaken, and the battle escalates, revealing complications. Along with humans and Agents of the Machines in the Matrix, there are free, sentient programs – Exiles – enjoying life as humans in the virtual world.

The Exiles are varied. The Oracle is benign, and guides Morpheus and other humans in their quest. The Merovingian, aka the Frenchman, is a sybaritic gangster, commanding a host of human-formed programs with powers like that of ghosts, werewolves and other supernatural entities.
      
There’s also a wild card, Agent Smith. Instead of being destroyed by Neo in an epic confrontation, as he seemed to be, he has become an independent virus-like program who can replicate himself, and overwrite others -- a legion of lethal clones in sunglasses.

Neo encounters the crowning complexity when he meets the Architect, the program who designed the Matrix. The Architect reveals there were previous iterations of the Matrix that failed, and even previous Ones like Neo – and a bloody cycle of destruction and renewal of the Matrix, Zion and humanity is inescapable.

Neo won’t accept this. But first he saves the woman he loves, Trinity, from death, by spectacularly reaching into her torso and massaging her virtual heart back into pulsing life. Ironically, it is Neo’s capacity for love that makes him the mightiest warrior, the One.

The crisis is imminent. The Matrix is failing because of Agent Smith’s viral takeover of every individual in it. It’s cleansing, and the destruction of Zion by physical machines, is almost underway.

Neo does the impossible; he and Trinity break out of the underground and fly a hovercraft to the city of Machines on the surface world. He proposes a deal: he’ll defeat Smith, whose cancerous growth threatens all the Machines, in exchange for peace between the Machines and the free humans. The deal is struck.

Neo does destroy Smith, with an assist from the Oracle (who had allowed Smith to overwrite her with curious equanimity – what did she have up her sleeve?), in a battle worthy of ancient gods of the sky. The Matrix is saved. Zion is saved. The Machine Civilization is saved.

A truce is made – free humans (“Redpills”) can even awaken the sleepers (“Bluepills”), although too much of this would threaten the Matrix. It’s one of the ambiguities the Matrix films boldly allowed to stand. Another: Neo’s fate. He seems to have died in the battle with Smith. But the Machines do not return his corpse.

This disturbs some people, and their actions set the story of The Matrix Online in motion…

Posted by The Matrix Online Team, 02-24-05

Oh, clipped from IMDB:

Francis Ford Coppola suggested Christopher Neil to George Lucas to be the dialogue coach. Lucas said that given the emotional intensity of Revenge of the Sith, and the fact that he rarely has time to converse with the actors, it would be ideal for someone else to be there to get the strongest performances possible.

Lucas would use all CGI actors if he could.

Oh, clipped from IMDB:

Francis Ford Coppola suggested Christopher Neil to George Lucas to be the dialogue coach. Lucas said that given the emotional intensity of Revenge of the Sith, and the fact that he rarely has time to converse with the actors, it would be ideal for someone else to be there to get the strongest performances possible.

Yeah, I mean, after all, why the fuck would a director want to converse with actors or anything?

Being that's it Lucas, he probably has a CGI-ed hologram of himself on set directing.

The one area that makes no sense to me "The Architect reveals there were previous iterations of the Matrix that failed, and even previous Ones like Neo – and a bloody cycle of destruction and renewal of the Matrix, Zion and humanity is inescapable." I can understand multiple iterations of the Matrix, given it's a programmed illusion. But the cycle of Zion/human destruction -- I guess they're saying that the machines always wipe out the real Zion, reload a new Matrix, and then Zion crops up again after a while, kind of like fire ant mounds reappear after you think you've gotten rid of the ants. OK. I guess I get it now.

Basically, Zion and the One are part of a project to get humanity's head out of it's ass and end the war. Zion is always left to rebuild because it serves a larger plan -- to give humanity hope for the "One".

Thing is, the "One" was purposely designed by the machines, in the hopes that he would bridge the gap between the two sides of the war. He's just as much a Messiah to them as he is to humans. It's just that he keeps failing to carry out the job...for both sides. So it's wipe, reboot, and try again.

Until the Neo version of the "One" came along.

I wouldn't call Hook or the Terminal successes. I love Hook but it pretty much flopped. Terminal sorta disappeared off the screen without a ripple.

The Terminal made $77M. I guarantee you that's a profit. It made $175M Worldwide.
Hook made $177M in America - that's a profit of $107M on a $70M budget. Worldwide it pulled in $300M.

Steven Spielberg does not create losers.

So far he's done..umm..8 movies I know of.

American Graffiti

<snip>

Blah blah blah.

I had always heard American Grafitti was highly successful and responsible for Lucas being able to do Star Wars

Yeah, I mean, after all, why the fuck would a director want to converse with actors or anything?

I find it particularly interesting that one would bitch about Lucas hiring a dialogue coach for Ep3 after people threatened to belt-sand his balls for the ep2 dialogue.  I mean, gee, it sounds to me like hiring a dialogue coach would imply wanting to give the fans better dialogue than he himself is capable of getting out of his actors, but I guess that goes against the most holy of commandments, "Thou shalt hate New Star Wars."

I find it particularly interesting that one would bitch about Lucas hiring a dialogue coach for Ep3 after people threatened to belt-sand his balls for the ep2 dialogue.  I mean, gee, it sounds to me like hiring a dialogue coach would imply wanting to give the fans better dialogue than he himself is capable of getting out of his actors, but I guess that goes against the most holy of commandments, "Thou shalt hate New Star Wars."

I think after Anakin chokes the fuck out of Amidala & kills 'er, or whatever is going to happen, he's going to become a puppet of the dark side. And thusly a puppet of Palpatine.

Spielberg is more prolific, but what is his success ratio? Sounds like you might be right and he may have a higher one but I'm too lazy to do the math. Heh.

Scorsese hasn't had too much success, but again, one of our greatest directors.

Really though, much as I love some of Scorcese's shit. He sucks, bad. And I'd never noticed before.

Bullshit.  Mean Streets, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, King of Comedy, Goodfellas.  All classic, fabulous movies.

Shit, even his "cash-in" movies aren't at all bad; Casino and Cape Fear were both good movies.  His latest "epic" movies like Gangs of New York and The Aviator, while not up to his earlier stuff, aren't bad either while still having their flaws.  Fuck, I even like Sense and Sensibility if you took it for what it is; a gilded age costume drama.

Gangs of New York was a travesty saved only by the performance of Daniel Day Lewis. It played so fast and loose with reality and history that it lost all meaning to me by the end.

Backing up the tangent somewhat, I thought the dark side created seemingly posessive control of an individual. How if a jedi slips up even a little bit, then they get carried out of control and are subverted and turn evil.

I think after Anakin chokes the fuck out of Amidala & kills 'er, or whatever is going to happen, he's going to become a puppet of the dark side. And thusly a puppet of Palpatine.

Yes, yes I am. I don't hate Scorsese, I just don't get why people think he is so amazing. I think people like Darren Arnofsky, Robert Rodriguez and Christopher Nolan are better directors.

I think people like Darren Arnofsky, Robert Rodriguez and Christopher Nolan are better directors.

He picked El Mariachi above Apocalypse Now?  So, like the whole hunt into the darkness of the soul thing just kind of passed you by in favor Antonio Banderas in tight pants?  The journey through the looking glass that is the trip up the river didn't impress you as much as a guitar case that fires rockets?

You sir, are on crack.

He picked El Mariachi above Apocalypse Now?  So, like the whole hunt into the darkness of the soul thing just kind of passed you by in favor Antonio Banderas in tight pants?  The journey through the looking glass that is the trip up the river didn't impress you as much as a guitar case that fires rockets?

You sir, are on crack.

Apocalypse Now is just an interesting twist on an old novel.

Collateral was better than say Godfather.

What he said. Don't even go there schild. <snip>

Tell me the truth, some of you are in the Academy, aren't you?

Ouch - Now that's just plain mean.

Truly, some of you people still believe in the auteur.

Tell me the truth, some of you are in the Academy, aren't you?

Paelos said it, Scorcese has been saved by great actors numerous times. He can get a good performance out of people. But let's put this simply: His movies aren't spectacular LOOKING or filmed in any Spectacular way. Scorcese sucks, there I said it again. His actors are awesome, his casting directors are awesome, his acting coaches are awesome but his Director of Photography often "sucksmynuts."

Tell me the truth, some of you are in the Academy, aren't you?

I know a number of actors who would die to be in a number of movies and would give a good performance even if the film was directed by Lucas.

(and dare I say it, Tarantino!)

You said it, and your opinion of directors just flew out the window with it.

I like your new avatar. Meow.

Leia knew her mother. (See RotJ, ewok village speech to Luke about the beautiful sad mother)

If I remember the speech right, Leia was either talking about her adoptive mother, or she was talking about a very early memory of childhood. I think Amidala is definitely supposed to die.

When Luke asked her about her mother, Leia still had no idea of her true parentage. 

Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother, your real mother?

Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.

Luke: What do you remember?

Leia: Just images, really. Feelings.

Luke: Tell me.

Leia: She was very beautiful, kind, but sad. Why are you asking me this?

Luke: I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her.

since Luke did know his adoptive mother.

How placing one twin in the family of a high profile politician and the other with Darth Vader's step-brother is supposed to hide them from the emperor is a whole other question of course.

Fur, is that Schmoo?

Lucas officially lost me as a "fanboi" when Anakin was conceived from immaculate conception.

Lucas officially lost me as a "fanboi" when Anakin was conceived from immaculate conception.

The Force was strong within her.  :evil:

Anakin killing Padme is too strong for any film with Jar Jar Binks in it.

So Padme can't die unless the timeframe of episode 3 runs until Luke and Leia are toddlers, and have been separated. Or unless Lucas just rereleases episode 6 with 'improvements'. I accept that both are entirely possible.

When that part came up half the fucking theater said "WTF?"

Well...the virgin birth was a little heavy handed I'll give you that...

So when Vader and company are near Tattooine in "Ep4", why doesn't Vader have a total emotional meltdown? "Argh! This is the planet where I was a slave as a small child and I slew all the Sand People that captured my mother! Waaaaaaaaa! Grand Moff Tarkin, can we PLEASE use the Death Star on Tattooine. Please? Pretty please? It would help me remove any traces of my former innocence."

Also when was it stated that Anakin never had a father?

When Schmuck -- I mean Shmee -- says she got knocked up without doing the nasty with a man.

When Schmuck -- I mean Shmee -- says she got knocked up without doing the nasty with a man.

Yeah, the fucking mitochondria thingies knocked her up...

Guess I will have to rewatch the movies this weekend.  Thought they danced around the fact she was a jedi whore.  My bad.

This thread is responsible for this man rewatching Phantom Menace.  I hope you're all fucking pleased with yourselves.

He should skip Phantom Menace and go see Constantine. Everyone should go see Constantine. Before it leaves theaters.

Fuck, you know?  I have to agree.  I think I will go see it again this weekend.

Only simpletons don't sit all the way through the credits of a movie.  Didn't Ferris Buehler teach you anything?

This thread is responsible for this man rewatching Phantom Menace.  I hope you're all fucking pleased with yourselves.

Shame !!

God damn it.  Saw constantine twice, both without staying till the end of the credits.  I hate all of you.

Yeah, the fucking mitochondria thingies knocked her up... wow, that's like fucking amazing George; put that in your movie.

Wow. I must have totally blocked the immaculate conception from my mind because as soon as I read it here it all came flooding back. The shock. The horror. Jar Jar binks is in the same movie as the immaculate conception? What the fuck?

And I must now watch Constantine. It better be good.

He should skip Phantom Menace and go see Constantine. Everyone should go see Constantine. Before it leaves theaters.

If you didn't stay until the credits were over, here is what you missed. Constantine puts his lighter on his sidekick's tombstone and turns around to walk away and you see his sidekick as an angel taking the lighter and flying up to heaven.

I take it all back, all of it. This preview makes me want to see the movie again. (http://www.compfused.com/directlink/610/)

I take it all back, all of it. This preview makes me want to see the movie again. (http://www.compfused.com/directlink/610/)

TITANIC. IN. SPACE. (http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2005031719590002489446&dt=20050317195900&w=RTR&coview=)

And yet we'll still go buy it.  We know it's going to be overrated and that we won't really enjoy it all that much, but we'll still flock to the EBGames on release day and start hammering away at the servers.

Humans just don't work.

*chortle*

On topic: No. I will not give Lucas any more of my real movie money. I'm sorry. I just can't. I picked up Episode II for $2 at one of those end of year Blockbuster Video sales, used - and I still felt like I'd been ripped off. I spend more money on a can of pepsi in the local chinese restaraunt.

Titanic only good for the "normals"  IE if you liked it you must be a member of the unwashed masses. Get the fuck over yourselves and your half-ass artiste wannabe selves.

Eldeac,

well most of the posts haven't been geeky "cool I can't wait to see it posts" but "George Lucas sucks and you couldn't pay me to see it. " So really, I'm not to far off. This is a weird website what can I Say. Most of you don't fit the gamer stereotype when it comes to movies. You abhor most movies that you'd be expected to love.

Titanic isn't the greatest movie ever made, but it's nowhere close to what ole Haem claims it is. Hyperbole for the win!

Eldeac,

well most of the posts haven't been geeky "cool I can't wait to see it posts" but "George Lucas sucks and you couldn't pay me to see it. " So really, I'm not to far off. This is a weird website what can I Say. Most of you don't fit the gamer stereotype when it comes to movies. You abhor most movies that you'd be expected to love.

Titanic isn't the greatest movie ever made, but it's nowhere close to what ole Haem claims it is. Hyperbole for the win!

None of those things endear a film to people who post on a gaming site.

This isn't a gaming site.  Most of the people here hate games, or at least are doing everything in their power to express such.  Every MMOG that comes out sucks, every console game blows because PCs are better, every PC game sucks because it's bug ridden crap, every movie blows goats because either the director is crappy, the content is crappy, the actors are crappy, or the story is crappy - but it will be at least one of those, and it will override everything else possibly considered good.  Politicians are all stupid (every last one), western culture is broken beyond repair, and every other culture is full of backward thinking mimes who deserve riddicule.

"This isn't a game site, it's a hate site.  The only thing keeping the site admins from going goth is that labels and categories are something else they get to hate.

I like Zydeco at least. Am I the exception?

edit: Yes, this site could do with more positivity. Just because the world has a neverending supply of shit doesn't mean we have to wallow in it.

Edit: Yes, this site could do with more positivity.

Just because the world has a neverending supply of shit doesn't mean we have to wallow in it.

Titanic wasn't the greatest, but it was entertaining. I'm an outlier on this site. Nothing wrong with that. Somebody has to not be a hater to provide a counterpoint.

This isn't a game site, it's a hate site.  The only thing keeping the site admins from going goth is that labels and categories are something else they get to hate.

LAS VEGAS (Hollywood Reporter) - George Lucas is such a fan of the latest 3-D technology that he is planning to remaster all of the "Star Wars" films for rerelease in 3-D.

Appearing as part of a sextet of high-profile directors promoting 3-D and digital cinema at film industry convention ShoWest on Thursday, Lucas said he hadn't yet committed to a precise schedule but hoped to have the first film ready for the 30th anniversary of the original "Star Wars" movie in 2007 and that he would then rerelease one "Star Wars" film per year in 3-D.

At this point virtually nothing Lucas does to his film would completely surprise me.

Speaking of hate:

Hahahhahahaha. Get your 3d glasses out. Man, he sucks.

And Jayce is right, the problem is, once we start praising something we're either "selling out," "a bunch of fanbois," or whatever. Honestly, I like more games than most of the people here, probably. But it's a lot more fun to bash the stinky poo ones.

And Jayce is right, the problem is, once we start praising something we're either "selling out," "a bunch of fanbois," or whatever. Honestly, I like more games than most of the people here, probably. But it's a lot more fun to bash the stinky poo ones.

Honestly, I think it is more when people start praising things that aren't even released yet. That's when the fanboi comments rear the head.

I guess you don't "get" this community.

The hate serves two purposes

No, it only serves one purpose, and schild hit on it.  It's more fun to crap on things than to praise things, or discuss things.  That's all.  No mystery.  Just us expressing everything about what we see as broken, in the very method that makes them broken.

Speaking of hate:

Hahahhahahaha. Get your 3d glasses out. Man, he sucks.

Roac, go lead my latest game....review (I hesistate to call it that because it doesn't review much). And then read the responses and you'll see what happens when we try to be nice.

One of my friends in high school saw Titanic 7 times. She was incredibly hot and when she invited me, I went, and it was all for the nookie. Then she started crying at the end. I'm staring at the screen like some sort of vegatable trying to keep my jaw from falling off. I couldn't believe the 3 hours of shit I'd just sat through. The Rock was entertaining. Men In Black I was entertaining. Con Air was entertaining. Titanic was not entertaining. It was like divine punishment from above. Someone had upset the gods of cinema, so they decided to unleash that tour of evil upon the world. This isn't about being a hater, this is simply about bad movies. Titanic is just one of many.

All that can be said about this thread is that if you fuckers are going to insist on posting spoilers, someone needs to work out a better system for them. I already wear glasses, I don't want to go fucking blind trying to read spoilers, nor do I want to have to copy/paste the shit somewhere else.

All that can be said about this thread is that if you fuckers are going to insist on posting spoilers, someone needs to work out a better system for them. I already wear glasses, I don't want to go fucking blind trying to read spoilers, nor do I want to have to copy/paste the shit somewhere else.

Are you going to try to tell me that Titanic WASN'T a steaming pile of shitty performances, awful script-writing and 20 minutes of decent special effects?

The idea that they were universally stoic about their fates is just aristocratic nonsense, especially considering the things one typically needed to do to become a plutocrat in that era.  Class was a very, very powerful fact of life back then.

What most pissed me off about Titanic the most was how the rich were treated in that movie.  Without fail they were shown to be craven scumbags who'd kick an old lady in the teeth to get a spot in a lifeboat, and it just wasn't that way.  This was the cream of US and British society, some of the richest people in the world, and the men willingly gave up their seats to the women and children, even the "lower class" ones in steerage.  Nowadays I can see people having an "every man for himself" mentality, but 100 years ago it just didn't happen.  The men were stoic about their fates and went down with the ship.  Some of them even sat in the wardrooms and toasted each other as they went down.  It was a different era, then.

Fucking dammit, WUA.

Link that shit with a spoiler warning and stop being an ass.

Fucking dammit, WUA.

Link that shit with a spoiler warning and stop being an ass.

We like to describe it as 'Titanic' in space.

We like to describe it as 'Titanic' in space.

Lucas sucks, I'm taking my ball and going home.

Lucas said the last movies would be good, and they sucked. We all know Titanic sucked. Him calling it Titanic could go two ways. One, it could suck like no movie has every sucked since the beginning of sucking. Or two, he could double negative himself into a winner by modelling what could be a sucky movie after a sucky movie and having it cancel to a good.

Do two wrongs make a right?

Umm..Is this funny? I can't decide.

http://nuar.lunarpages.com/video/SW_mirrors.htm

I'm going to go ahead and say no.  It almost was but didn't quite make the transition.

Umm..Is this funny? I can't decide.

http://nuar.lunarpages.com/video/SW_mirrors.htm

Yeah, 3-D that's what I want to see, George. I want JUB-JUB plastered into my face 30 miles high in more than 2 dimenions. Not the original theatrical releases, unfucked with, on DVD or anything.

George Lucas reaches new heights of assclownery.

Umm..Is this funny? I can't decide.

http://nuar.lunarpages.com/video/SW_mirrors.htm

GOD.  Even the NOVELS have crap ass writing.

Droids dont have MINDS.......it's MEMORY WIPE, mother fucker. MEMORY WIPE!!

Maybe they wiped Obi-Wan's memory too.  With MIDICHLORIANS!

So in reality he's pro-slavery.  No wonder Vader wanted to blow the fuck out of the planet.. buncha slaving sons of bitches.

But he doesn't wipe R2-D2's memory, and R2-D2 doesn't mention any of these facts to C-3PO, Luke, or anyone else.  Oh, he claims Obi-Wan used to be his Master, but Obi-Wan doesn't remember it, and in any case it was just an excuse for delivering Princess Leia's message.

Bruce

Robot Chicken encapsulated this thread in 45 seconds.

And did a better job of skewering Lucas.

There I was, listening to Family Guy while playing FF1 on my GBA, then the next thing I knew it was midnight and the second episode of Family Guy was on.   Anyone have some decent torrent sites for TV that don't require registration/ fees?

Robot Chicken encapsulated this thread in 45 seconds.

And did a better job of skewering Lucas.

Here's the thing about Star Wars: the Jedis were never cool...

<snipped stuff>

Stuff

You can't even blame George Lucas.  He had a pretty good idea of the thing to start out with, and it's been ruined because it's now taken too seriously.  I blame the fans for this.

I like JAR-JAR better than any of the droids, other than IG-88

, but Luke was a goody-goody pussy. Who really wanted to be that?

Me, for one.  Of course I also didn't drink until I was 21, have never done druigs and aren't 'cool' like the rest of you, so what the fuck do I know, eh.

Obi-Won/Yoda vs. Vader/Emperor in the first movies and the Jedi Council vs. the Sith in the prequels have always been the primary movers of everything. Everyone else in the movies have been pawns of these two factions.

I'll take Indiana Jones over Han any day. And it's partly the reason I think Star Wars sucks. Indiana Jones is just that much better.

And that's about it... what was the point? Oh yeah. Don't bag on Han. James Bond only managed to be cooler than him, like, once.

However, you could easily conclude,. that had Luke not been there:

1) Vader would not have killed the Emperor
2) They both would have gotten on a shuttle and escaped

You're right. Instead of watching all of any of the Star Wars again, I can just cut that clip out in premiere and watch that. And don't you mean Han Solo only managed to be better than Bond like once - assuming we're talking about Sean Connery as Bond. What you just did was put into words why I like people distilling a movie into a scene or two.

The point I was making with Indiana Jones is that the rest of the movie surrounding the character didn't totally suck. Everything without Han was pretty much soap opera material (particularly all of episodes 1, 2 and most likely 3). Bitching, moaning, and personal vendetta abound. If I wanted to watch that, I'd stay in on Saturday afternoons and watch shows where the director doesn't re-cut them and make me pay to see them again. In a newer, cleaned up, more fucked up version.

I think a big part of the original three's appeal were their grittiness.  Remember, this was back when science fiction movies were still such a novelty that everything was SUPER this and AMAZING that.

Maybe it's Harrison who is cool, not Han and Indy. Lol.

Hardly: 1970s sci-fi was far grittier than Lucas' samurai-in-space project. I am thinking Westworld, I am thinking Soylent Green, and to an extent Logan's Run despite the happy ending. A Clockwork Orange. Go further back and Planet of the Apes rears its head. Hell, even that Shakespeare adaption - Forbidden Planet - can be considered grittier than Star Wars.

The main appeal of SW was because it came out in a year when no other studios were into sci-fi so it reigned mostly alone. And because Lucas is a far better salesman and merchandiser than a director.

You have some points, but I don't entirely agree.

I don't think WestWorld or Clockwork Orange are comparable to a space opera like SW.  I never saw Soylent Green or Logan's Run so I can't say regarding those.

Also they weren't as polished with special effects as SW was.  Not that special effects makes the film as Lucas seems to think nowadays.  But they shouldn't DETRACT from it.  They should just be there.

And I certainly don't think SW's main appeal had to do with the timing of when it came out.  Its legs are too long for that.  Movies that rely on a hohum year for their success are soon forgotten if they really aren't that great.  Is there an EU for Titanic?

Here's the thing about Star Wars: the Jedis were never cool. Han Solo is cool. That's why Han got the girl and Luke got his hand cut off.  If you saw Star Wars and wanted to be a jedi, you are a fucking loser. 

And noone, absolutley (sic) no one, manages to deliver a cheesy, end-of-the-movie-punchline while chewing the scenery and EMOTING the way Heston does. (not even Shatner)

And you consider yourself a member of this geek community?!

And yet, apparently you've seen Dodgeball...

And yet, apparently you've seen Dodgeball...

I ask for it again.  Take Lucas out to pasture.  Let David Peoples or Fran Walsh write a trilogy set in the Old Republic era.  Have Ang Lee or Peter Jackson direct.  Please.  For the fucking children.

Poor, poor Mace. This figure just stinks. Although he’s got more articulation than previous versions, it doesn’t save everyone’s favorite badass Jedi. Probably due to his action, (squeeze his legs, and his waist swings and arms lift), he has arms that end up looking unfortunately simian. On top of that, he’s just got a poor facial likeness. C'mon Hasbro, everybody loves Mr. Jackson, so do him justice already. Mace has a ball neck, ball shoulders, elbows hampered by his action, and t-hips. At least his purple Lightsaber's lookin' spiffy. I don’t have much use for his force lighting, though his action does throw it fairly convincingly.

Unintentionally sexual Star Wars coloring book (http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/15/unintentionally_sexu.html)

(http://www.boingboing.net/images/DarthAndLeiaColoring-1-tm.jpg)

Andrew Tonkin says: "Coloring page found in 'Star Wars: Droids' and 'Star Wars: Balance of the Force' coloring books by Dalmatian Press.

"I hope this unfortunately suggestive angle was unintentional, especially considering the father-daughter aspect of the scene. Yecch.

"Vincent Gallo's The Brown Bunny billboard on the Sunset Strip created public outcry, and yet impressionable youth everywhere are dulling their Crayolas on this very scene. Strange."

Ang Lee?  What the fuck are you on?  The man cannot handle pulpy action, just look at Hulk.  Let him stick to his dramas, kthxplz.

Just invoking names doesn't gurantee it'll be good.

Why don't you people have The Vision?!

Vin Diesel is actually Luke's father.

Could someone tell me what the deal is with General Grievous?  I thought you had to be Force-enabled to use Lightsabres.  Is he?

Then christ, why don't more people carry them?  Don't they have any idea how cool those things are?

Hell, even for non-combat purposes.  It's like having a compact, convienient combination knife/blowtorch.

Like Llava said, seems like there are lots of handy uses for one of those things that don't involve swinging it about wildly. 

He was in the Micro-series they did on Cartoon Network, that gave a pretty good example of how he makes it work.

Basically, his torso and wrists can rotate.  So he's not so much a swordsman as a lightsabre-blender.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY!

This may be a dumb question but how is a lightsaber better than a gun? One on one I suppose with wacky Star Wars physics you can deflect bullets, but in a 10 on 10 battle the 10 guys with guns just all aim at one guy, kill him, all aim at the next guy, etc. You can't deflect 10 bullets at once.

how is a lightsaber better than a gun?

Obi-Wan: I fear Anakin has turned to the bleak blackness of the Dark Side.
Mace Windu: <sarcasm>You think?</sarcasm>
Yoda: Tried to warn you we did. Now screwed we are.

Left unexplained is the reason why everyone uses laser guns with (relatively) slow moving beams when they could use projectile weaponry where the bullets travel too fast to see. 

Luke: <whiny voice> "I can't see anything with the blast visor down"

This may be a dumb question but how is a lightsaber better than a gun? One on one I suppose with wacky Star Wars physics you can deflect bullets, but in a 10 on 10 battle the 10 guys with guns just all aim at one guy, kill him, all aim at the next guy, etc. You can't deflect 10 bullets at once.

It's not the Force, it's the DNA.

Get your geek on. (https://www.alienware.com/contest_pages/contest_starwars.aspx)

Lately everyone is whipping out the accusation that so-and-so "hates" their culture.  There was a (not so polarized) time when it was OK to criticize your culture on one or more points and not be accused of hating it.

I think David Brin is a damn fool and is suffering from "how come my stuff doesn't sell and Lucas makes a pile of money?" syndrome.

I think this is always a bad sign:

While I do think that plenty of evidence shows that George Lucas hates a civilization that's been very good to him...

Lately everyone is whipping out the accusation that so-and-so "hates" their culture.  There was a (not so polarized) time when it was OK to criticize your culture on one or more points and not be accused of hating it.

what Can a Sci-Fi author propose any absurd system they want to justify their character's redemption from Hitler to Hero in one scene?  I suppose so.  But it's still tripe.

Luke, Chapter 13:

39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

I think David Brin is a damn fool

Simply having a "culture" doesn't warrant it any merit either. Just because a culture exists does not mean that it deserves to be continued.

presumed features of the force and comes to the conclusion (agree or not, I happen to however) that they are just absurd.  The very anger and spunkiness that supposedly subverts Anakin is exactly what works for his son and the entire notion that anger and outrage is somehow evil is crap. 

http://www.davidbrin.com/starwarsarticle1.html

I never claimed to hate all Campbell-Homer-style myths! We need to outgrow them, but they will always have a place in our hearts.

RAGE OF A 'STAR WARS' REJECT (http://entertainment.excite.com/celebgossip/pgsix/id/05_03_2005_1.html)
BAI Ling was cut out of "Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith" after it was announced that she was posing nude in Playboy, the disappointed actress claims.

The sexy Chinese-born Ling, who was supposed to play Senator Bana Breemu in the final installment of the "Star Wars" series, burst into tears at the Tribeca Film Festival premiere of "The Beautiful Country" the other night while she was describing how her scene was snipped:

"I just found out that my part has been completely cut out of the upcoming 'Star Wars' movie. I do not know what happened," Ling said.

"I posed for Playboy and it may have been doing that which upset [director] George Lucas. I did not know when 'Star Wars' was going to be released when my manager came to me and said that Playboy wanted me to pose topless."

Ling, who appears in the June issue, continued, "I did not know that Playboy was going to come out the same time as 'Star Wars.' I saw them as separate projects. I see the human body as beautiful and not pornographic, but maybe the 'Star Wars' producers did not see what I did. I am in shock."

LucasFilm spokeswoman Lynn Hale told us that Ling's sole scene was cut more than a year ago. "It was just one scene," she said.

After Ling was finished venting about her "Star Wars" diss, the talkative actress pulled herself together and gave her intimate impressions of a list of actresses to Webster Hall curator Baird Jones.

"I can relate to women physically," she said. "Angelina Jolie is sexy. Jennifer Aniston is sweet but not sexy. I preferred Natalie Portman when she was younger. She has lost something now.

"Queen Latifah is big but passionate. I love J.Lo's curves. Naomi Campbell is sexy like a black panther. I love Kate Moss, who is like a cat. I think Paris Hilton is smart and I like her style.

"Meryl Streep is a great actress but I would just like to be her friend. Heather Graham is cut like a doll. Christina Ricci is kind of weird — sometimes she is fat, sometimes she is thin.

"The Olsen Twins are adorable and the fact that they are twins is a good omen. I'd like to hook up with both of them at the same time. Here is my shout-out: 'Let's get to know each other, Olsen Twins. Let's do a meet and greet together.' "

Tit's are evil, blood is cleansing, please pull forward.

She also said Portman was better looking when she was younger, which is true.

Ok, now the question is when you read that how many of you were thinking of The Professional. You sick, sick bastards!

She *was* pretty hot in the Professional.

I think I just burped up a little 13 year old vomit.

Steven cries at Star Wars (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004580002-2005210100,00.html)

By SIMON ROTHSTEIN
Sun Online

DIRECTOR Steven Spielberg was moved so much by pal George Lucas' final Star Wars movie – he burst into tears at the end.

Steven's weepy moment came at a screening of Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith last week.

But he's unashamed by his tears, insisting fans will also cry because the film's moving conclusion marks the end of Lucas' epic story.

Steven said: "I saw it about a week ago and it's absolutely amazing.

"It's the best of the last three episodes. It's the best way you could possibly imagine for George to finish it off.

"It has a tremendous ending and it's very dark."

In an episode of 60 Minutes set to air this Sunday, director George Lucas says the content of Revenge of the Sith, the final chapter of his Star Wars saga, finds Anakin Skywalker journeying to a volcano-filled hell to make a pact with the devil.

With Anakin's walk on the dark side, and the movie's increased violence, Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith will be ''way too strong'' for young children — and might be the first film in the franchise to earn a PG-13 rating, Lucas tells interviewer Leslie Stahl. ''[The film] is much more dark...more emotional,'' he adds. ''I don't think I would take a 5- or a 6-year-old to this.''

I bet that all of you will like it. And if you want to make this about money, I can oblige  8-)

eXistenZ are better than The Matrix (the trilogy as a whole).

Discuss.

Edit: Clarification.

Equilibrium and eXistenZ are better than The Matrix (the trilogy as a whole).

raise you a Sam Neill In the Mouth of Madness.  Haven't seen that movie in ages, but loved it to death.

Carpenter's best.

Eh...I've got a thing for Adrienne Barbeau's titties myself. Carpenter will never surpass his older flicks.

EDIT: I'm getting the weirdest feeling that SirBruce is dying to reply to that.

REVENGE OF THE SITH is a masterpiece. The final piece of the puzzle Lucas first presented me at age 6. 27 years later, the Jigsaw is complete and damn if it isn't just damn near the most tragically cool thing I’ve ever seen put to film. We won’t see another like this. This is it.

Harry is a dipshit and gets hyperbolic over....Just about anything.

Yet, there's too much good word of mouth going around to completely discount everyone. Even him.

Spolier level is unusually low for an AICN review. (though still insanely high by anyone else's standards)

Not an issue anymore, since they publish official (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/924064.asp) spoilers (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/920420.asp) for money now.

I'm not at all excited about it or anything, but I have a feeling that Hayden Christiansen will be good.

He showed me that he can really act in Shattered Glass (really well, I might add), so I'll just chalk up his performance in AotC to youth. This time around, I don't think it'll be his fault (that is, if the movie turns out to be bad).

Harry is a dipshit and gets hyperbolic over....Just about anything.

Yet, there's too much good word of mouth going around to completely discount everyone. Even him.

As far as "virtual world" flicks go, I thought The Thirteenth Floor was better than both eXistenZ and The Matrix.  All my friends think I'm crazy.

He was a whiny bitch in Shattered Glass. The only person who held up that movie was Sarsgaard. Goddamn Hayden sucks such massive ass. I can't even properly talk about him without getting something fucking angry. Grrrrrrr.

Event Horizon wasn't good, but it was better than RoTJ and TPM at least.

There aren't a whole lot of Space Opera movies out there. If you discount Star Trek movies there are even less. I think that's part of the appeal of Star Wars, it isn't a saturated genre.

Event Horizon wasn't good, but it was better than RoTJ and TPM at least.

There aren't a whole lot of Space Opera movies out there. If you discount Star Trek movies there are even less. I think that's part of the appeal of Star Wars, it isn't a saturated genre.

Hayden has the same problem Pacino, Deniro and a few others. They are great at playing themselves. Pacino plays a kickass fuckin Pacino, something noone else can do. Deniro plays a kickass Deniro. And I like them. Hayden plays a kickass Hayden. And I HATE him. Because he's uninteresting.

Steven cries at Star Wars (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004580002-2005210100,00.html)

DIRECTOR Steven Spielberg was moved so much by pal George Lucas' final Star Wars movie – he burst into tears at the end.

Steven's weepy moment came at a screening of Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith last week.

As of right now, rottentomatoes.com has Episode 3 at 92%.   :-D

As of right now, rottentomatoes.com has Episode 3 at 92%.   :-D

As of right now, rottentomatoes.com has Episode 3 at 92%.   :-D

With a whole 26 reviews.  :roll:

Shockeye,

Between the Doodles and Ice Pirates, you are starting to be my new avatar hero.

Of people hand-picked by Lucas to see it.

There's an amazing fan-made light saber fight out there between two asian guys that's more impressive than anything Lucas has done or ever will do. Jedi aren't ninjas with light sabers, but they should be.

I'm intrigued.  Linky?

Having seen a lot of the pre-release stuff (check on SA if you haven't got it yet) I will say that it looks like another shitty, shitty lucas film with bad acting from everyone except Ewan and Palpatine.  However, the lightsabre fights look wicked.  There was a video of a training session - no cgi, no changes - with Ewan and weepy-boy and those boys are FAST AS FUCK.

I'm intrigued.  Linky?

And you can eat your SW Cereal (http://www.kelloggs.com/promotions/starwars/ee_cereals.shtml) with your SaberSpoon! (http://www.kelloggs.com/promotions/starwars/gg_saberspoon.shtml)

What are you noobs gonna do when this movie owns?  Haemish will rejoice and rejoin the faithful, but Schild will probably kill himself in shame.  Only a week left.  Muahahahahaha.

When did you devolve into a drooling moron?

Page 1 of this thread, I believe.

Star Wars has merchandise?!  Oh noes!

What are you noobs gonna do when this movie owns?  Haemish will rejoice and rejoin the faithful, but Schild will probably kill himself in shame.  Only a week left.  Muahahahahaha.

Sadly, it didn't help the dialogue any. 

Will I camp in line for it? Fuck no.

I might not even see it on the big screen.  I'm that disenchanted.  I have no desire to sit through another 2-hour toy/video game commercial.  I swear to god, even the thought of a movie where Jar Jar "meesa racial stereotype" Binks could possibly appear is enough to make me stabby.

You know you are going to.  Probably twice.  Saying that you won't will just make you feel worse about yourself when its over.

I don’t like sand. It’s coarse 
and rough and irritating, and it 
gets everywhere. Not like here. 
Here everything’s soft... and 
smooth... 

I think I'll watch the Matrix trilogy on Episode 3's opening day to remind myself of what a decent trilogy is.

Sarcasm tags.  Teh intarweb really needs sarcasm tags.

Call it a day and watch the Godfather trilogy, at least then you would have had a good time.

I really do like The Matrix, though.  All 3 movies.  Causaility vs. choice in a cyberpunk world .... mmmmm, wonderful.

Ugh. The first one was a fantastic movie. The 2nd was so dreadful that I still haven't seen the 3rd. Not sure there is any claim to a decent trilogy there.

I really do like The Matrix, though.  All 3 movies.  Causaility vs. choice in a cyberpunk world .... mmmmm, wonderful.

Seriously, I've seen money shots that had more worthwhile seconds of footage than the last two Matrix movies.

Please to give me some of what you are smoking. The first movie was decent, the remaining two had all of 2 good scenes combined, surrounded by a lot of dimestore pseudo-philosophy, bad CGI and BULLIT TIM3 Y0!11!!! Oh yes, and incoherent, misplaced techno-rave orgy scene.

The first movie was decent, the remaining two had all of 2 good scenes combined

What can I say?  I just dug those movies.  I had read several of the philosophy books that the Wachowski brothers based the movies on (particularly the second movie).  The deus ex machina ending on the third movie was awesome.

I think I'm about to get voted off the island ...

You are free to remain on the island. You just don't get to pick the DVD on Tribe Movie Night. EVER.  :-D

Pfft.  On DVD movie nights I'll pick proper art to view.  Lawrence of Arabia, Ikiru, Donnie Darko, that sort of stuff.  I may like the Matrix flicks, but they are pop culture and even I can see those former movies are far better.

My theater is showing it, we have a sweet sound system. I could see it for free 100 times.

I'm not going to see it. Star Wars is worse than the shittiest indy art film coming out of Lithuania.

Your taste on "Space Operas" is suspect.  I just saw Chronicles of Riddick.  "Sucked" is the most accurate word I can use for it.  It was roughly on par with Reign of Fire.

I liked Reign of Fire too - though there wasn't enough of it to be a 'great' movie.

that the entire MMOG genre is still the festering heap of level-grinding shit it's been since the day EQ came out.

Because grinding skills to 100 in UO was much more exciting.

Macroing 4tw?

Because grinding skills to 100 in UO was much more exciting.

Macroing 4tw?

Some 'Star Wars" fans reject Lucas' escort offer (http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~2867158,00.html)

By Fred Shuster
Staff Writer

"Star Wars" creator George Lucas has offered to send Imperial stormtroopers to escort the fan encampment at Grauman's Chinese Theatre in Hollywood to the ArcLight cinema complex for the first screening of "Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith" at 12:01 a.m. Thursday.

But there are refuseniks in the ranks.

The fan line, which numbers some 200 of the most ardent "Star Wars" devotees, is holding forth at Grauman's in hopes Lucas' latest and final installment will screen at the theater there, where the five previous episodes opened. But Lucas has contracted to unveil the film at the ArcLight, a mile away on Sunset Boulevard.

About 50 actors dressed in the black-and-white uniforms of the series' Imperial Army will depart from the ArcLight around 4 p.m. Wednesday to escort fans waiting at Grauman's back to the ArcLight to wait for the curtain to rise. While the crowd waits for the first sold-out screenings just past midnight, lightsaber battles will play out in the ArcLight courtyard, according to Los Angeles-based JS2 Communications, which represents ArcLight theaters.

But not all the Grauman's die-hards will join the march. The 200 registered place-holders represent some 600 fans, of which about 150 are refuseniks who will either remain on Hollywood Boulevard in a candlelight vigil or plan to catch a midnight screening in Westwood or elsewhere in Hollywood.

"A lot of us are set to go with the stormtroopers, but some decided to politely say no thank you," said "Star Wars" camper Jerry Anderson, 27, a Los Angeles college student who's been on line since April 2. "It's heartbreaking. The series opened here (in 1977) - why not end it here?"

The ArcLight has set "Sith" screenings to run continuously for the first 24 hours, including those at the complex's historic 900-seat domed venue. Tickets for the 6:30 a.m. Thursday showing are still available. Fans from the Grauman's line were offered tickets at $14 each.

Still, even with the offer of an Imperial procession, the most committed of the Grauman's crew have launched a new campaign and Web site (www.chinese.liningup.net) to spread word of their dissent.

"We're protesting because we feel 'Star Wars' fans of the world are being deprived of the ultimate 'Star Wars' experience," said Gianennio Salucci. "Everyone should have a chance to see the film at Grauman's. It's the 'Star Wars' Mecca."

"We're protesting because we feel 'Star Wars' fans of the world are being deprived of the ultimate 'Star Wars' experience," said Gianennio Salucci. "Everyone should have a chance to see the film at Grauman's. It's the 'Star Wars' Mecca."

Fuck them, fuck Lucas, fuck the prequals, Ewan's cool, fuck flipping CGI muppets, I'm out!

Your taste on "Space Operas" is suspect.  I just saw Chronicles of Riddick.  "Sucked" is the most accurate word I can use for it.  It was roughly on par with Reign of Fire.

Anakin Skywalker journeying to a volcano-filled hell to make a pact with the devil.

...but first he must face off against Steve Vai with only Obi Wan Miagi's teachings to guide him.

For the record, I didn't call Event Horizon a space Opera. The fat lady never sang for Firefly and I don't think she ever will. More drama anyway. There aren't enough space operas out there to be suspect. But Riddick was much better than Episode I, II, most likely III, and episode VI.

No wah-wah pedal? "E A B, E A B A..."

Smoke on the Water?

No wah-wah pedal? "E A B, E A B A..."

That would be B D E, B D F E

Edit: Scratch that: G Bb C, G Bb C# C

Why is it a secret again?  :roll: Does it have something to do with Ralph Macchio?

Odd. If you look at the bottom it does list the song as Smoke on the Water. Funny how a little reading goes a long way.

What's with all the Riddick hate?  Chronicles wasn't near as good as Pitch Black (one of my all time favorites), but it's still a decent action flick.  The only thing I can seriously criticize with Chronicles is the cheesy acting of some (not all) of the actors.  Other than that, it's most certainly better than most of what Lucas has done.

Because grinding skills to 100 in UO was much more exciting.

Macroing 4tw?

Again, maybe the directors cut does something different with it.

All the Necromongers believe in the Underverse, but it was only that one individual that successfully made it to the Underverse and back, which I guess gave him more "right" than other Necromongers to succeed the previous leader.  I'm 80% certain that is how it's explained.

EDIT: Shockeye, I found mine for $10 widescreen, brand new.   Wal-Mart ftw?

All the Necromongers believe in the Underverse, but it was only that one individual that successfully made it to the Underverse and back, which I guess gave him more "right" than other Necromongers to succeed the previous leader.  I'm 80% certain that is how it's explained.

Eh whatever, not like I care anyway.

I can tell.   :roll:

EDIT: Shockeye, I found mine for $10 widescreen, brand new. Wal-Mart ftw?

Was just reading an interview in Entertainment Weekley with Lucas and he said 60% of the plot for the entire prequal trilogy is in Sith and that's how he intended it from the beginning. He admits the other 40% was split between the first two and that he added filler (which he calls "jazz rifts") to make them into full movies. 

I'm hoping all the love scenes were the filler part.

When the final scenes roll with characters and locations familiar from the original 28-year-old film, you'll certainly feel that the series has been brought to a worthy close and that the maligned Episodes I and II retrospectively make a little more sense.

OMG LUCAS BRIBED TEH BBC!

Truly his sinister web of power knows no bounds!

...shockingly silly moments.

Revenge of the Sith is breathtaking more often than it is ridiculous...

...The biggest annoyance comes from an unexpected source - Yoda. His backward-constructed sentences start to grate unlike ever before, and by the end you'll be desperate for the little green sage to shut up.

Cheesy lines make a comeback - the more stoic the debate, the less elegant the dialogue becomes, and even actors as good as Ewan McGregor and Natalie Portman can do little about it.

There are probably more lame utterances in this film than the other five put together.

There are probably more lame utterances in this film than the other five put together.

Yoda speak was always stupid.  I often thought that the 'backwards speak' should have stopped the moment he stopped pretending to be a swamp dweller and admitted being a Jedi Trainer.

Lucas Answers Star Wars Critics (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=0&id=31036)

George Lucas told SCI FI Wire that he doesn't really mind if older Star Wars fans don't like the three prequel films he directed. Speaking at the Cannes Film Festival, where he attended the premiere of Star Wars: Episode III—The Revenge of the Sith, Lucas said he really views the prequels as one big movie and hopes that is how they will be remembered.

"I really don't pay too much attention how people like one chapter or another chapter," Lucas said with a shrug. "We have discovered in the last few years, and it becomes more apparent all the time, that we have two fan bases. One is over 25, and one is under 25. The over-25 fan base is loyal to the first three films."

Lucas added that he thinks that the reason so much has been made about audiences not liking Episodes I and II is because the fans who are over 25 are "actually in their 30s and 40s now. They are in control of the media. They are in control of the Web. So mostly what you're hearing from are people over 25 years old. The films that those people don't like, which is the first two [Episodes I and II], actually, are very fanatically adored by the under-25-years-old [fans]. And if you get on the Web, and you listen to these conversations, they are always at each other's throats. The devotion for each group is equal. I never even paid much attention to it until about a year ago. I am curious to see what happens in about 10 years, when that other group starts to get their voice."

Asked if he plans to make three more Star Wars films, Lucas repeated his longstanding answer: Don't count on it. "The other sequels were [the speculation] sort of an overanxious press," he said. "The original intention was to make one movie. It turned into three. That was really the end of it. It wasn't until about 10 years later that it even occurred to me of doing the backstory. This is the tragedy of Darth Vader. It starts when he is 9 years old, and it ends when he dies. There really isn't any more to the story."

I won't defend the first 2 prequels, especially the second, but I do think Lucas has a point re: age differences.  People overlook the fact that the dialogue and characters in the first trilogy were flat, corny and awkward.  When you are 9 years old, that shit doesn't bother you.

In honor of Episode 3, I've changed my celebratory douchebag avatar.  I don't think I need to ID him.

Halloween is coming up. (http://shop.starwars.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=2694;category_id=332;pcid1=;pcid2=)

...why?