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Title: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Paelos on April 29, 2005, 09:20:33 AM
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NEW YORK (April 20, 2005) - The Board of Governors met in New York for approximately four hours today, after which Commissioner Bettman conducted a brief news conference that included the following remarks regarding the Board's position going forward:

"What we have said consistently is, we're planning on having a season. That doesn't change. We're planning on opening on time. That doesn't change. What we're making clear, though, is the circumstances under which this will come about: We're still planning on going forward, we're still planning on opening a season on time, but we're making clear that we're not going to open on time if we don't have a new CBA with our players."

So you're planning on opening, but you are also planning on not opening on time if you don't have a CBA. IT'S BEEN A YEAR YOU MONEYSTUFFINGASSGROINGRABBINGMONKEYFUCKS! I WANT MY SPORT BACK! Shit I'll watch 50 year old men skate out there at this point. Just give me SOMETHING!


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on April 29, 2005, 09:38:44 AM
Sheer greed and incompetence on both sides. The good news is that if they keep the lockout going, eventually the highest paid players will be too old to play anymore, and they can fill their rosters with cheap young players. Hell, play with replacement players at this point.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: El Gallo on April 29, 2005, 09:51:46 AM
Considering the quality of play the league has provided since all of Bettman's asinine overexpansion, I can't imagine the clutch-and-grab horror of replacement player hockey at this point.  He needs to die in a hockey stick fire.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: HaemishM on April 29, 2005, 09:53:21 AM
Gaggle of assgrabbing, tight-fisted, spoiled, myopic fucktards is the only way I can describe the entire hockey situation. It's like they all took too many disco biscuits to the coconut to rationally see the damage they have done and are continuing to do to the sport. Someone should just lock them all up in a room and not let them come out until hey can decide how to equitably divide up BILLIONS OF FUCKING DOLLARS.

Players get no sympathy from me anymore. They are quibbling over thousands of dollars when the minimum salary is enough to get you living comfortably in the most expensive places in the U.S. They have relied on Goodenow, who is a grudge-bearing fuck of a useless human being. The owners are no better, because they can't even take responsibility for the problems of their own making.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: MaceVanHoffen on April 29, 2005, 09:55:36 AM
Gaggle of assgrabbing, tight-fisted, spoiled, myopic fucktards is the only way I can describe the entire hockey situation. all professional sports.

Like hockey enjoys any unique status here.  The NBA strike a few years back was the last straw for me.  I don't follow any professional sports anymore.  About all I do is watch the NBA finals in May/June.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Bunk on April 29, 2005, 10:38:30 AM
NBA.. dude, come on now. We're talking about a real sport here.

Article in the local paper this morning (we still get hockey coverage on the front page, even without the NHL playing):

NHLPA applied for union certification in Quebec and BC, a move intended to block potential replacement players. The NHL is challenging the applications and is accusing the NHLPA of violating US and Canadian labour laws on collective bargaining by making the applications.


Well, at least the World Championships are about to start.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on April 29, 2005, 11:14:54 AM
Baseball is the only thing worth a damn right now, and even that drags during the weekends.

So I watch golf.

Pity me.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: MaceVanHoffen on April 29, 2005, 11:27:14 AM
Baseball is the only thing worth a damn right now, and even that drags during the weekends.

So I watch golf.

Ugh.  Opera > Baseball > Golf.  And I loathe opera.

Watching baseball is like propping my eyelids open with toothpicks in order to make myself watch the grass grow.  I don't get the whole drama of pitcher vs. batter.  It just looks like "Hey my penis is bigger than yours!"  "No it's not, throw that ball and we'll find out!"

And golf, the famous quote applies:  "Golf is a beautiful walk spoiled by a little white ball."

I was never into hockey, but it does appeal to me.  I just can't get into any professional sport I'm not already sort've into, when those sports are populated by prima donnas who know more about being millionaires and managing PR and scandals than they do about playing the game well.




Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on April 29, 2005, 11:41:41 AM
Foghorn disagrees with you (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Foghorn_Leghorn/ltfl_080.wav). How can you argue with an icon like him?


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: MaceVanHoffen on April 29, 2005, 11:55:42 AM

Oh man, that brings back memories.  I heart Foghorn, even though is taste in sports is questionable.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Bunk on April 29, 2005, 12:09:49 PM

Ugh.  Opera > Baseball > Golf.  And I loathe opera.



Ok, I now forgive you for bringing up the NBA in a hockey thread. (Though I do love to golf)


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on April 29, 2005, 12:18:26 PM
Golf is great on the weekends. It's something you can watch while playing WoW and not miss anything.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Fabricated on April 29, 2005, 12:20:24 PM
Golf is great on the weekends. It's something you can watch while playing WoW and not miss anything.

It kind of works both ways.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on April 29, 2005, 12:21:31 PM
If I could figure out a way to level in WoW while hacking my way around a golf course, I would be a happy man.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Miguel on April 29, 2005, 01:56:35 PM
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If I could figure out a way to level in WoW while hacking my way around a golf course, I would be a happy man.

You're welcome. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4596&item=8188535759&rd=1)


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on April 29, 2005, 02:17:54 PM
That won't work...I need all my extra cash to buy golf balls. losing them at the tremendous rate that I do. I need some sort of laptop with WiFi that I can keep in the cart while someone drives me to my ball.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Rodent on April 29, 2005, 08:43:40 PM
*does the happy dance*


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Alkiera on April 29, 2005, 09:16:18 PM
The AHL seems to be doing alright...  the local team swept their first series of the playoffs for the Calder Cup.  Apparently coming from behind during the 3rd period in all 4 games.

Alkiera


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on April 29, 2005, 10:20:43 PM
I'm dissappointed that no one had the balls to give the AHL a limited, one-season TV contract. I got to watch all of 1 Phantoms game, and enjoyed it.

Oh yeah, and anyone who makes money from Playing a game like WoW should be dragged out into a street and flogged.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WindupAtheist on April 30, 2005, 02:57:30 AM
Hockey is for pussies.  Watch boxing.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on April 30, 2005, 08:00:57 AM
Hockey is for pussies.  Watch boxing.

It is boxing....on ice.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on May 02, 2005, 09:34:17 AM
Hockey is for pussies.  Watch boxing.

I prefer to watch sports in which the outcome is not predetermined by a thug in a fright wig, kthx.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on May 02, 2005, 09:35:20 AM
Hockey is for pussies.  Watch boxing.

I prefer to watch sports in which the outcome is not predetermined by a thug in a fright wig, kthx.

I prefer to watch a sport that gives me the opportunity to have a beer before it's over, too.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Shockeye on May 10, 2005, 11:51:39 AM
Quote from: AP/MSNBC
Gretzky reportedly to coach Coyotes (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7804338)
Hall of Famer would move from front office to bench
Updated: 12:43 p.m. ET May 10, 2005

MESA, Ariz. - Phoenix Coyotes managing partner Wayne Gretzky has agreed to become the next coach of the team, the East Valley Tribune reported Tuesday.

The Great One and the Coyotes have worked out a three-year contract extension that moves him from the front office to the bench, the newspaper reported, citing well-placed NHL sources. An announcement could come as early as next week.

Gretzky was first approached by Coyotes general manager Mike Barnett about coaching before the NHL Entry Draft in June. The rumors then began swirling regarding the possible move over the summer.

Last month Gretzky reiterated his interest in coaching Phoenix, but said that he would not do so should the NHL choose to employ replacement players if a new collective bargaining agreement wasn’t reached before the upcoming season.

Rumors also circulated in recent months regarding the possibility of Gretzky leaving Phoenix to join the New York Rangers’ front office.

Rick Bowness, who took over the bench on an interim basis when Bob Francis was fired during the 2003-04 season, is expected to remain on board as an assistant. Former NHL player Rick Tocchet probably will join as the second assistant once the lockout ends, the Tribune reported.

Gretzky, who was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1999 after his dazzling 20-year career, owns 17 percent of the Coyotes and is in the last year of a five-year agreement with owners Steve Ellman and Jerry Moyes to be paid $2.5 million per year as managing partner.

In addition to his tenure as managing partner of the Coyotes, Gretzky has also served as executive director of the Canadian national team. Under his guidance, Team Canada ended 50 years of Olympic frustration with a gold medal in 2002, and also won golds at the 2004 World Championships and the recent World Cup of Hockey.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on May 10, 2005, 11:54:29 AM
Bring back the real players or the Great One won't coach a team I hate, in a market that sucks.

La-de-fucking-da. Put players on the ice now!


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: HaemishM on May 10, 2005, 11:54:42 AM
Weeeeee, Gretzky coaches the first season of hockey's return...








in 2008. Fuckers.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: naum on May 10, 2005, 12:42:48 PM
Quote from: AP/MSNBC
Gretzky reportedly to coach Coyotes (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7804338)

Should make for an interesting last place finish. Everything Gretzky has touched in a management role has turned to shit. His experience in OHL + NHL now have established a trend…

…great player != great owner/GM/coach.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on May 10, 2005, 08:55:55 PM
This just makes me cry even more on the inside, over the current state of the game.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Pococurante on May 11, 2005, 05:17:00 AM
Greatest thing that could ever happen to it.  Sometimes you just have to burn the town down to get decent changes made...

The women's leagues have had great stick for a long time now.  Beats the hell out of the sissyfight the men's leagues hammered themselves into years ago.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Shockeye on May 27, 2005, 04:32:19 PM
Quote from: CBC
ESPN declines option on NHL TV rights (http://www.cbc.ca/story/sports/national/2005/05/27/Sports/espn_nhl050527.html)
WebPosted Fri, 27 May 2005 18:45:07 EDT
CBC Sports

ESPN has declined an option to hold onto NHL broadcasting rights for the 2005-06 season, according to a Canadian Press report.

Several news agencies are reporting that the American sports cable network declined to exercise its option on the broadcasting rights, which were worth $60 million US.

ESPN has not issued a statement on the matter, but it is expected they will make an official announcement next week.

On the surface this could be a massive blow for the NHL, as the league, having already lost a full season because of a labour dispute with the players' union, would lose major exposure in the U.S. without the ESPN deal.

However, ESPN may simply have declined its option in order to negotiate a more favourable deal for itself with the NHL whenever the labour situation is resolved.

This development also allows the NHL to negotiate the rights with another U.S. cable network.

The NHL's five-year, $600-million deal with ABC/ESPN expired at the end of the 2004 playoffs. The league then re-negotiated a one-year contract with ESPN, with options to extend the deal for the 2005-06 and the 2006-07 seasons.

The league also signed a two-year, revenue-sharing agreement last May with NBC. The American network has a two-year option for 2006-07 and 2007-08 should it choose to exercise it.

Beginning in January 2005, NBC will televise seven regular-season games and six Stanley Cup playoff games in regular Saturday afternoon time slots. In addition, NBC will broadcast Games 3-7 of the Stanley Cup final.

Under the agreement, the league will not receive the kind of upfront fees that are common in most network television contracts. Instead, the NHL and NBC will share revenue, with the network covering its production and distribution costs.

The league and the NHL Players' Association have failed to negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement since commissioner Gary Bettman locked out the players last Sept. 15 and cancelled the 2004-05 season on Feb. 16.

The two sides wrapped up two days of labour talks on Thursday, with the union tempering any optimism fans may have about an imminent conclusion to the near nine-month lockout.

Topping the agenda during this week's meetings in Chicago were the financial and accounting issues of the NHL's 30-member clubs.

Neither NHL commissioner Bettman nor Goodenow, the NHLPA's executive director, attended the bargaining sessions.

Both sides have said they plan to meet every week until a new CBA is agreed upon.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on May 27, 2005, 04:41:43 PM
Someone needs to lock these douches into a room and hold them at gunpoint until they come up with a viable CBA.

9 fucking months, down the drain. What a joke...


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on May 27, 2005, 04:43:36 PM
If Don Cherry dies before hockey comes back, I will never forgive them. I need me some Grapes!


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Shockeye on May 27, 2005, 04:44:40 PM
If Don Cherry dies before hockey comes back, I will never forgive them. I need me some Grapes!

I don't care much for hockey, but I love me some Grapes.

[EDIT] I don't care much for golf, but I love me some David Feherty.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on May 27, 2005, 10:33:13 PM
David Feherty is a Prince among men.



Power corrupts!


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: HaemishM on May 29, 2005, 10:09:07 PM
Someone needs to lock these douches into a room and hold them at gunpoint until they come up with a viable CBA.

9 fucking months, down the drain. What a joke...

I don't blame ESPN. Whenever the NHL comes back, it's ratings will be even more shitty than they were before. Much better to renegotiate the options when the league unfucks itself. If they ever do that is.

Fucking douchebags.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: TheWalrus on May 30, 2005, 12:41:32 AM
 Yer not the only one who gave up. I live right across the water from Victoria, and since they have the only decent rock station I can pick up, I get to listen to the commentary too.

 No word about hockey anymore. None. Zip. Now they talk about...curling. Apparently sports aren't sports for them unless its on ice. Next up, tiddly winks. On ice.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on May 31, 2005, 09:23:31 AM
I heard some purported expert on sports talk radio the other day- his take was that if Bettman is able to railroad his policies through, it might make hockey viable again in places like Winnipeg and Quebec City. Be nice to see some of the Sun Belt teams relocate- hockey shouldn't be played in places where it never even snows.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Miguel on June 01, 2005, 05:24:46 PM
Despite both sides being raging cocktards, the situation kind of makes sense.

Think about other sports:  where are the players going to play?

Where are the NBA players going to play if not in the USA?
Where are the NFL guys going to play football? Canada?
Where are the MLB players going if not America? Japan?

Fact of the matter is, the NHL onwers are in a bad position because all the players can go play in European leagues (shit, a large number are from there already and can barely speak English), and can also take advantage of the strong Euro.  There no incentive for them to stay in the USA, and the players know it.  On the other side, the owners don't want to let go of their cash cow.

In other words, I don't see any solution to the standoff other than breaking the NHLPA and bringing in non-unioniazed players from local places only.

And yes it's going to suck nuts.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: HaemishM on June 02, 2005, 10:03:27 AM
I was thinking about this today. Since the NHL lost its phat money option from ESPN, does that weaken the players' position now? After all, there should be a lot less revenue in the pie now, at least $60 million. The owners can now say, "Look what this dicking around has already cost us?" And most were losing money anyway. Shit, $60 million is twice Nashville's salary from 2003-2004 I think.

Both sides are really shooting themselves in the head.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on June 02, 2005, 10:26:42 AM
I just want my hockey package back. A good game every night was love!


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Bunk on June 02, 2005, 03:25:45 PM
I watched a game from the Memorial Cup tourny recently ( watching Sydney Crosby pass = <3 )

Game was being shown on high-def by Rogers Sportsnet. I don't think I'll be able to watch hockey again on regular tv...


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on June 03, 2005, 02:40:51 AM
In other news, the Philadelphia Phantoms are in the AHL Calder Cup Finals.  :lol:

Correction: The Phantoms currently lead the series 1 - 0 over the Chicago Wolves, courtesy of a 1-0 win in Game 1 in Chicago.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Yegolev on June 06, 2005, 02:56:04 PM
The tradeoff is that my commute remains unmolested by Thrashers games.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on June 06, 2005, 09:24:00 PM
The tradeoff is that my commute remains unmolested by Thrashers games.

BOOOO, I always took MARTA.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Yegolev on June 07, 2005, 10:57:53 AM
The tradeoff is that my commute remains unmolested by Thrashers games.

BOOOO, I always took MARTA.

Booo, I live in Hiram. ;-)


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on June 08, 2005, 03:23:56 PM
Too good to be true?

Players and owners agree on salary cap? (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/hockey/nhl/06/08/salary.nhl/index.html)

Now, to hammer out some of the rule changes we discussed last year.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Shockeye on June 08, 2005, 03:25:52 PM
Now, to hammer out some of the rule changes we discussed last year.

Such as getting rid of the goals and the pucks and letting all the fights go free-for-all?


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on June 08, 2005, 03:27:22 PM
Baby steps..we will get to the gladiator pit on ice rule change in year 5 of my plan  :evil: :evil:


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Yegolev on June 09, 2005, 08:50:51 AM
The fights are the only way I can get my wife to watch hockey.  She loves football and has frequently lamented the lack of fighting.  The NHL needs to do something after this.  More goons = better ticket sales, I say.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Hokers on June 09, 2005, 03:21:22 PM

Tomorrow is your last chance to see hockey.  Damm Phantoms are up 3-0 over my beloved Wolves.

Go Wolves AWWWOOOOO....

Sadly, they are likely to lose.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on June 09, 2005, 03:56:54 PM
<UT2k4 Sexy Female voice>
Unstoppable!
</UT2k4 Sexy Female voice>


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: jinxer on June 20, 2005, 01:56:43 PM
*sniffles a little bit*  I'd forgotten about the whole hockey situation, having thrown myself into work and games.  Just saw this post and it reminded me.  Gosh!   :cry:


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: NiX on June 20, 2005, 03:45:51 PM
I got my fix for hockey watching my buddies play a rollerhockey tournament. Not as much hitting or fighting, but they do throw some mean shit in there to make it feel like a good 'ol hockey game. The final game was really intense. The place was relatively packed for just a rollerhockey game and everyone was up and down the entire time as pucks went off the crossbar here and there. Thank god it's all on tape. I'm going to watch that shit over and over again. Might not be NHL quality, but at least they were playing for the sake of the game.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Velorath on June 20, 2005, 04:15:52 PM
How about we just skip Hockey.  Instead we can just put all the overpayed athletes from football, basketball, and baseball into no substitutions, no penalties, and no time limit games of Rollerball.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on June 20, 2005, 04:20:40 PM
That's a No-Go...

Unless we get gratuitous amounts of T&A.

That is the only way Rollerball would be worth watching.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: HaemishM on June 21, 2005, 07:20:08 AM
Rollerball would be interesting if Barry Bonds got thrown into a wall of spikes at 40 mph.

Just sayin'.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on June 22, 2005, 05:14:28 PM
Rollerball would be interesting if Barry Bonds got thrown into a wall of spikes at 40 mph.

Just sayin'.

Let's get down to brass tax. CURLING would be interesting if Barry Bonds was injured in a horrible broom-related incident. In fact, I can't name a sport that wouldn't be improved with Barry Bonds' public and bloody demise.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Bunk on June 23, 2005, 08:00:25 AM
You people have got to stop dissing curling here. Any country that has bowling as one of its most popular spectator sports has no right to put down curling (a far superior game to bowling, and yes I do both).

I think I enjoy watching darts on tv more than bowling...

Hmm, interactive darts tv, with Barry Bonds. Could be a winner.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on June 23, 2005, 08:39:12 AM
Bowling isn't a popular spectator sport. It's something that comes on before people watch Baseball Tonight.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Pococurante on June 23, 2005, 10:47:00 AM
Bowling only makes sense when you're bowling.  After a pitcher of beer.

Even socks are funny then.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: El Gallo on June 23, 2005, 12:26:24 PM
I find curling oddly fascinating and always watch it when I see it on TV (very, very rarely).


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Bunk on June 23, 2005, 12:26:34 PM
Bowling isn't a popular spectator sport. It's something that comes on before people watch Baseball Tonight.

Don't get me started on the popularity of watching Baseball on tv...


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Bunk on June 23, 2005, 12:30:04 PM
I find curling oddly fascinating and always watch it when I see it on TV (very, very rarely).

It gets well covered by CBC. Our national men's and women's championship tournies are always fully covered. TSN likes televising Skins games as well.

Hell, I've got this game installed on my computer even: http://www.takeoutweight.com/
Based on that site, it may be a collector's item now :p


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on June 23, 2005, 01:07:22 PM
Bowling isn't a popular spectator sport. It's something that comes on before people watch Baseball Tonight.

Don't get me started on the popularity of watching Baseball on tv...

Hey! It's not hockey but it's all we have in the summer!


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on June 24, 2005, 10:16:20 AM
I find curling oddly fascinating and always watch it when I see it on TV (very, very rarely).

It gets well covered by CBC. Our national men's and women's championship tournies are always fully covered. TSN likes televising Skins games as well.

Hell, I've got this game installed on my computer even: http://www.takeoutweight.com/
Based on that site, it may be a collector's item now :p

IIRC, the captain of the Canadian Women's team is a bit of a biscuit.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Bunk on June 24, 2005, 12:16:04 PM
Assuming you mean Colleen Jones, who has won 4 out of the last 5
(http://www.thelavinagency.com/images/bios/jonesc.jpg)

She's in to the MILF age range though.



Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on June 24, 2005, 12:29:30 PM
That might be her- her hair looks darker than I remember. As for MILF age group, unfortunately I am in the same boat  :cry:


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on June 24, 2005, 12:39:24 PM
Whatever, I'd still hit that. Curlers look kinda limber when they get down on the ice before their release of the stone.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Bunk on June 24, 2005, 03:10:20 PM
That might be her- her hair looks darker than I remember. As for MILF age group, unfortunately I am in the same boat  :cry:

You could also be referring to the girl that one the other time out of the last five: Kelly Law from BC:

(http://www.curling.ca/imglib/kelley_law.jpg)


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: schild on June 26, 2005, 09:52:59 PM
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EA NHL Exclusive?
EA Nabs NHL License on 1UP (thanks PiTiFUL) is a story based some brief happenings on the EA Sports Website that may have tipped off a future announcement. According to the story, several graphics appeared for a while on the site with the words "exclusive license," indicating the possibility that a deal has been signed for pro hockey rights, along the lines of the exclusive deal EA inked last year with the NFL (story). The article quotes both EA and NHL2K publisher 2K Sports as calling the apparent revelation a mistake, though attempts to contact the NHL about this (in spite of all the time on their hands) were unsuccessful.

It might never be coming back at all. Heh.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: MuffinMan on June 26, 2005, 10:14:24 PM
I got extremely pissed when I read that earlier. EA's NHL games have been shit now for quite a few years. The graphics on the web page have been changed now to "official license"

Cut from Gamespot
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[UPDATE] Since this story went live, EA has changed the artwork on its NHL 06 home page. The graphic now reads "official license" rather than "exclusive license" (check the above screenshot index for a comparison). Subsequent to the story going live, an EA spokesperson told GameSpot that the company does not have an exclusive licensing deal with the NHL. The NHL confirmed that an existing license with EA was in effect, but the NHL did not offer additional comments on the earlier use of the word "exclusive" by EA


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: schild on June 26, 2005, 10:15:25 PM
Yegads. I hadn't checked Gamespot yet. Thanks for the quick update.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: MuffinMan on June 26, 2005, 10:20:27 PM
Although after last years buggy ass 2k5 from Sega I don't know if I'll even buy a hockey game this year.

On a somewhat related hockey note, I saw the Wings' goalie Curtis Joseph the other day here in Ann Arbor at the place I was taking a drug test. I thought about stealing his piss and Ebaying it.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on June 27, 2005, 10:03:51 AM
I see Mike Modano on the golf course at Preston Trail in Dallas whenever I'm out there. I resist the temptation to yell, "GET BACK TO WORK!" during his backswing.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Bunk on June 27, 2005, 10:22:42 AM
There's been quite a few articles popping up in the local papers lately. They expect to see a deal signed with the next three weeks. Essentially, the players are going to get hosed as compared to what the league was offering six months ago.

As is customary, the article had numerous quotes from JR telling everyone to kiss his ass.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: HaemishM on June 27, 2005, 10:24:18 AM
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EA NHL Exclusive?
EA Nabs NHL License on 1UP (thanks PiTiFUL) is a story based some brief happenings on the EA Sports Website that may have tipped off a future announcement. According to the story, several graphics appeared for a while on the site with the words "exclusive license," indicating the possibility that a deal has been signed for pro hockey rights, along the lines of the exclusive deal EA inked last year with the NFL (story). The article quotes both EA and NHL2K publisher 2K Sports as calling the apparent revelation a mistake, though attempts to contact the NHL about this (in spite of all the time on their hands) were unsuccessful.

It might never be coming back at all. Heh.

It wouldn't be like the rights would cost all that much anymore.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Shockeye on July 13, 2005, 09:55:40 AM
Quote from: AP
NHL, Players Reach Deal to End Lockout (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=531&e=1&u=/ap/20050713/ap_on_sp_ho_ne/hkn_nhl_lockout)

By IRA PODELL, AP Sports Writer 6 minutes ago

NEW YORK - The NHL and the players' association reached an agreement in principle Wednesday on a new labor deal, ending a lockout that wiped out last season.

The sides met for 24 hours from Tuesday into Wednesday to hammer out the collective bargaining agreement that will return the NHL to the ice.

Both sides still need to ratify the deal. That process is expected to be completed next week, the league and the union said in a joint news release.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Shockeye on July 13, 2005, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: ESPN.com
NHL agrees to deal after all-night bargaining session (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2106776)

ESPN.com news services

NEW YORK -- The NHL and the players' association reached an agreement in principle on a new labor deal, ending a lockout that wiped out last season, the sides announced in statements Wednesday.

The sides met for 24 hours from Tuesday into Wednesday to hammer out the collective bargaining agreement that will return the NHL to the ice.

Both sides still need to raitfy the deal. That process is expected to be completed next week, the league and the union said in a joint news release.

A prominent player agent told ESPN The Magazine's E.J. Hradek that the draft lottery will be held on July 21, with the entry draft being held in Ottawa on July 30.

The agreement comes after an all-night bargaining session stretched well into Wednesday morning -- the 301st day of the lockout that forced the cancellation of the 2004-05 season.

"We met all night," NHL chief legal officer Bill Daly said in an e-mail.

After meeting every day last week, the sides got together Sunday for a 14-hour session that lasted until early Monday morning. Just six hours later, they were back at the table.

Those talks broke up Monday night and set the stage for the latest marathon session that got under way Tuesday -- the ninth straight days of talks.

The sides have met for 10 consecutive weeks in an effort to get an agreement as quickly as possible so next season can begin on time.

The new agreement is expected to contain a salary cap with a ceiling in the upper $30 millions and a minimum in the low-to-mid $20 millions.

Player salaries will not exceed 54 percent of league-wide revenues.

Some players in recent days have voiced their displeasure over what will be included in the new deal.

Commissioner Gary Bettman warned in February when he canceled the season that the offers the union passed up were better than any it would see once a year of hockey was lost.

Just days before the NHL became the first North American sports league to wipe out a full season, the players' association said for the first time it would accept a salary cap if the NHL dropped its desire to link player costs to revenues.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: HaemishM on July 13, 2005, 10:03:48 AM
'Bout fucking time. Asshats. The players are getting raped on the deal, it appears, but after a year of no revenue, and the loss of TV rights fees, I don't see how the owners would not rape them. There's a whole lot less money in hockey's honey pot now.

Congrulations, fucktards! You almost killed the sport as a profession! And for what? Less money (54% less), the salary cap you said you've never accept at an even worse level than you at first asked for, and pissed away a full season. Hope you're fucking happy.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 13, 2005, 10:06:35 AM
Both sides are to blame- the owners allowed things to get as bad as they did, and the players refused to believe that there needed to be some sweeping changes if the sport was gonna survive.


Now- make some rule changes so the sport will be watchable when it comes back, fucktards.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Shockeye on July 13, 2005, 10:25:03 AM
Part of the negotiations was removing the All Star Game, which is great because Glendale, AZ gets it this coming season. I'm not sure if they have finalized killing the game or not.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on July 13, 2005, 02:34:33 PM
Regardless, I'm happy to have my hockey back.

Now just lower prices so I, a starving college student, can go to games more often.  :evil:


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 13, 2005, 02:42:34 PM
Minor league hockey. Same game, 1/3 the price, and you get to see the guys before they are famous. Damned fun!


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Shockeye on July 13, 2005, 02:47:30 PM
Minor league hockey. Same game, 1/3 the price, and you get to see the guys before they are famous. Damned fun!

And in the minors they still have most of their teeth!


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Nebu on July 13, 2005, 02:47:39 PM
With all the thuggery (sp?) injected into the current brand of NHL garbage, I'm not sure I even care.  I was a rabid hockey fan a couple decades ago, but the game has eroded to a point that most of the beauty that made the game interesting is now lost.  Growing up in Minnesota, watching High School hockey was an event.  I miss the intracacies that make hockey a fast and interesting team sport.

If they bring back skill to the game, I'll pay to watch.  Until then, it's just Mike Tyson on ice.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Shockeye on July 13, 2005, 02:48:50 PM
Growing up in Minnesota, watching High School hockey was an event.

Growing up in Minnesota, betting on high school hockey playoffs while in grade school was an event.

Warroad 4tehwin!


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Nebu on July 13, 2005, 02:49:41 PM
I put my $20 on Hill Murray.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 13, 2005, 02:52:54 PM
With all the thuggery (sp?) injected into the current brand of NHL garbage, I'm not sure I even care.  I was a rabid hockey fan a couple decades ago, but the game has eroded to a point that most of the beauty that made the game interesting is now lost.  Growing up in Minnesota, watching High School hockey was an event.  I miss the intracacies that make hockey a fast and interesting team sport.

If they bring back skill to the game, I'll pay to watch.  Until then, it's just Mike Tyson on ice.

I would love to watch it if it was Mike Tyson on ice. Instead, it is a bunch of faggy Europeans who wouldn't drop their gloves if they were on fire grabbing, clutching, cheapshotting, slashing, crosschecking, and otherwise slowing the game down to a 2-1 final score crawl.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Nebu on July 13, 2005, 02:58:28 PM
I would love to watch it if it was Mike Tyson on ice. Instead, it is a bunch of faggy Europeans who wouldn't drop their gloves if they were on fire grabbing, clutching, cheapshotting, slashing, crosschecking, and otherwise slowing the game down to a 2-1 final score crawl.

Differences in taste I guess. In baseball, I love watching a great pitcher's duel... the spirit of which is lost in today's homerun derby style of play.  I also love watching football (soccer in this country).  It's as much a chess match as it is a display of athletic prowess. When I played major college football, my favorite games were always the defensive stands rather than the 50-49 scoring fests.  The fact that I played defense could have tainted my opinion a bit.  I don't need big scores to be entertained.  I also don't need the the high-sticking, the cross checking, and the cat fights.  I pay to watch hockey, not a couple of boxing wanna-bees play ice capades with a puck.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on July 13, 2005, 03:08:53 PM
Differences in taste I guess. In baseball, I love watching a great pitcher's duel... the spirit of which is lost in today's homerun derby style of play.  I also love watching football (soccer in this country).  It's as much a chess match as it is a display of athletic prowess. When I played major college football, my favorite games were always the defensive stands rather than the 50-49 scoring fests.  The fact that I played defense could have tainted my opinion a bit.  I don't need big scores to be entertained.  I also don't need the the high-sticking, the cross checking, and the cat fights.  I pay to watch hockey, not a couple of boxing wanna-bees play ice capades with a puck.

Agreed. Some of the more enjoyable contests are low-scoring games. High Scores != Fun and High-Energy.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: stray on July 13, 2005, 03:14:11 PM
Funny that the SA vs Detroit NBA Finals (1 and 2 Defense Leaders) series had so many complaints of being low scoring (Because 'Defense is Boring!!'"), yet, the sporting world is all giddy now about the NHL coming back.

Anyways, I agree: High Scores != Fun and High-Energy


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: HaemishM on July 14, 2005, 08:36:49 AM
Making the NHL more exciting isn't so much about creating higher scores as much as it is creating more scoring chances. That's what the league has been lacking, thanks to the clutch and grab bullshit, and the no icing on penalty kills shit. You start calling the game like it's supposed to be called, with less mugging of guys without the puck, take out the red line and put icing back on the PK, and you'll have a lot more scoring chances.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Paelos on July 14, 2005, 09:34:18 AM
Icing on PKs? You're MAD!

That being said, the two line pass does have to go, and holding needs to be an actually call again.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: HaemishM on July 14, 2005, 10:08:48 AM
One of the potential rules changes being bandied about is removing the no icing for the penalized team on PK's.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on July 14, 2005, 10:10:02 AM
Making the NHL more exciting isn't so much about creating higher scores as much as it is creating more scoring chances. That's what the league has been lacking, thanks to the clutch and grab bullshit, and the no icing on penalty kills shit. You start calling the game like it's supposed to be called, with less mugging of guys without the puck, take out the red line and put icing back on the PK, and you'll have a lot more scoring chances.

Er what? I don't remember there being Icing on the team who is on the PK....

Maybe it's just been far too long.

But yes, Chaos and Scoring Chances = Excitement, Suspense

And I'm not totally sold on removing the red line. Big advantage for the little speedy teams over the big, down-low teams.

And Yay for touch-up offsides.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 14, 2005, 10:12:17 AM
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One of the potential rules changes being bandied about is removing the no icing for the penalized team on PK's.
That is going too far, IMHO. The rules changes I want to see-

ENFORCEMENT of the interference rules
Smaller goaltender pads
Moving the net out a couple of feet from the boards

And by far the most important-

Get rid of the instigator penalty!

I much prefered hockey in the 80s- more scoring (and scoring chances), more fighting, and more offensive superstars. NHL hockey has been criminally boring for the past half-decade (not even including the strike).


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: El Gallo on July 14, 2005, 10:14:35 AM
Differences in taste I guess. In baseball, I love watching a great pitcher's duel... the spirit of which is lost in today's homerun derby style of play.  I also love watching football (soccer in this country).  It's as much a chess match as it is a display of athletic prowess. When I played major college football, my favorite games were always the defensive stands rather than the 50-49 scoring fests. 

I love a great defensive football game.  I would not, however, enjoy watching a football game where every single eligible receiver was outright tackled as soon as the ball was snapped every single play and no flags were thrown.  That's the NHL over the last 10+ years.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Strazos on July 14, 2005, 10:15:45 AM
Get rid of the instigator penalty!

Yes please.


Title: Re: I give up, hockey is never coming back.
Post by: Bunk on July 14, 2005, 10:49:46 AM
One rule that is being changed that people aren't mentioning is the return of touch up offsides. If you don't know the game intimately, this probably means nothing to you, but touching up is going to add a ton of offensive flow back in to the game.  Too bad its going to be counteracted by all the extra trapping that will happen when they remove the two line pass.

Also, I hate the new idea for overtime that apparently is going in:
4 on 4 for five minutes
3 on 3 for three minutes
Shootoutif it hasn't been decided
no more Single point for getting to OT.

I really, really hate the idea of 2pts vs 0 going to the winner of a shootout. Shootouts aren't real hockey.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Strazos on July 14, 2005, 11:08:41 AM
Agreed, I liked the current OT points rules.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: HaemishM on July 14, 2005, 11:10:38 AM
I don't like the 1 point for an OT loss, personally. I have no problem with ties being 1 point, but I hated the idea of a team getting a point even though they lost.

Shootouts are exciting. I'm still not sure why they want to add a 3 on 3 period before the shootout, though.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 14, 2005, 11:11:57 AM
I hate the new OT rules, and the new (older) rules as well. Give me 2 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, and 0 points for a loss. It is simple, and it worked for decades. Having 5 or more columns in the W-L area of the standings is fucking retarded.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Strazos on July 14, 2005, 11:12:42 AM
I thought that was odd too, the 3-on-3.

But I do like the 1 point teams got for getting to OT. It opened things up more, because teams figured they already got one point, so lets go all out for the win. I thought this was better than teams turtling to try and eek out a tie.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Paelos on July 14, 2005, 11:21:06 AM
I thought that was odd too, the 3-on-3.

But I do like the 1 point teams got for getting to OT. It opened things up more, because teams figured they already got one point, so lets go all out for the win. I thought this was better than teams turtling to try and eek out a tie.

Agreed. Regular season OTs before the 1 point OT loss were just exercises in "let's not lose." That's just dumb. With the current rules, some of the most exciting moments I've seen in regular season hockey have been in the OT. I don't want to take that away personally.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Strazos on July 14, 2005, 11:27:08 AM
Agreed. Regular season OTs before the 1 point OT loss were just exercises in "let's not lose." That's just dumb. With the current rules, some of the most exciting moments I've seen in regular season hockey have been in the OT. I don't want to take that away personally.

I remember a few years back the local commentators nicknamed the Flyers the "Comback Kids," because they had some obscene number of 3rd Period and OT wins (something like 10 OT wins or some other silly number).


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Paelos on July 14, 2005, 11:31:51 AM
My favorite hockey game ever was a Flyers game. It was the playoffs in 99-2000 with the game dubbed "The Marathon on Ice." I watched that game for over six hours in my dorm room the first year I was in college. They ended up beating the Penguins with in like a 5th OT period or something equally ludicrous.

No regular season match can touch the playoffs.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: El Gallo on July 14, 2005, 11:35:20 AM
Honestly, I'd like to see 4-on-4 play in the NHL full time.  They aren't going to make the rinks wider, and they aren't going to call interference strictly ever.  Having 10 skaters at a time with 6"2"+ wingspans on a tiny NHL rink will lead to a wrestling match as a simple matter of geometry.  It would also reduce some of the talent dilution because you could knock a couple guys off each roster.  4-on-4 overtimes with no risk of loss due to the OTL point has produced about the only consistently watchable hockey in the NHL the past few seasons.

I'm fine with shootouts, ties suck.  They would also look good on television, which the league sorely needs.

Edit: the new thread title is A+


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Strazos on July 14, 2005, 11:39:21 AM
My favorite hockey game ever was a Flyers game. It was the playoffs in 99-2000 with the game dubbed "The Marathon on Ice." I watched that game for over six hours in my dorm room the first year I was in college. They ended up beating the Penguins with in like a 5th OT period or something equally ludicrous.

No regular season match can touch the playoffs.
  :Love_Letters:


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: shiznitz on July 14, 2005, 12:15:30 PM
4 on 4 would be brilliant.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 18, 2005, 09:48:12 AM
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Don Cherry, CBC's bombastic hockey analyst, on the resumption of NHL play: "After a year, I got so much to say I can hardly wait to hear myself."

Woohoo! I loves me some Grapes.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Shockeye on July 22, 2005, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: ESPN
The Pick That Saves Pittsburgh

The Penguins won the Sidney Crosby sweepstakes, landing the first pick in the NHL Draft shortly after owners voted 30-0 in favor of the new labor deal Friday. Pucks drop on Oct. 5, but new rules abound.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: HaemishM on July 22, 2005, 01:54:22 PM
Rules changes include:

Smaller neutral zone, making bigger offensive zones
Goal is moved two feet towards the end boards for larger offensive zone
Passes from behind the defensive blue line to the attacking blue line will be considered legal. The center red line will be ignored for purposes of the "two line pass".
Tag-up offsides
A team that ices the puck cannot make a line change before the ensuing face-off
Still have the instigator rule, and now coaches will get fined if someone gets hit with it
Goalies have smaller equipment
Goalies can only play the puck in a small, weird triangle shaped area behind the goal
Goalies playing the puck outside the area get a penalty for delay of game, as well as getting that penalty for freezing the puck too much
Zero tolerance on obstruction/interference calls (We'll see)
Getting called for diving could result in fines

SHOOTOUT

Following a scoreless five-minute overtime, three players from each team participate in the order the coach selects.

Each team takes three shots. The team with the most goals after those six shots is the winner.

If the score remains tied, the shootout will proceed to a "sudden death" format.

Regardless the number of goals scored during the shootout portion of overtime, the final score recorded for the game will give the winning team one more goal than the score at the end of regulation time.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Shockeye on July 22, 2005, 02:06:52 PM
Also, 2006 and 2010 All-Star Games cancelled due to Winter Olympics.

Glendale, AZ loses its All-Star game next year and MAYBE will get one in '09.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 22, 2005, 02:10:48 PM
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Passes from behind the defensive blue line to the attacking blue line will be considered legal. The center red line will be ignored for purposes of the "two line pass".

Not a fan- hell, it took me several months of watching hockey to figure out WTF a 2 line pass was! 20 years later and they are gonna change it? Bastards  :-D

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Still have the instigator rule, and now coaches will get fined if someone gets hit with it

AAARRGGH. /beats head against desk

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SHOOTOUT

Following a scoreless five-minute overtime, three players from each team participate in the order the coach selects.

Each team takes three shots. The team with the most goals after those six shots is the winner.

If the score remains tied, the shootout will proceed to a "sudden death" format.

Regardless the number of goals scored during the shootout portion of overtime, the final score recorded for the game will give the winning team one more goal than the score at the end of regulation time.

Fucking clown shoes. I have hated every change since they started awarding points for OT losses, like the NHL was the fucking Special Olympics and everyone who competed needed to feel good about trying. Fuck all that. If you can't win in regulation, you better find a way to hold on for a tie (and a point) or get a goal. Otherwise go fuck yourself and take your 0 points like a man.

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Glendale, AZ loses its All-Star game next year and MAYBE will get one in '09.

Hockey doesn't belong in the desert. They should have never left Winnipeg!

God, I am cranky this afternoon. Just found out I have to jump through a bunch of bullshit timekeeping hoops to bill my time to different projects. On the fly. No editing afterward (because that would be too fucking easy)- no, I am expected to drop everything and punch a new time session when I switch to supporting a different product (I support about 5).


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: El Gallo on July 22, 2005, 02:14:21 PM
[siren]PITTSBURGH WINS CROSBY[/siren]

LETS GO PENS
LETS GO PENS
LETS GO PENS


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Shockeye on July 22, 2005, 02:14:46 PM
God, I am cranky this afternoon. Just found out I have to jump through a bunch of bullshit timekeeping hoops to bill my time to different projects. On the fly. No editing afterward (because that would be too fucking easy)- no, I am expected to drop everything and punch a new time session when I switch to supporting a different product (I support about 5).

Do you punch a new time session each time you switch to f13?


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 22, 2005, 02:15:34 PM
There are seriously like 400 different ways to punch, and one of them is 'Idle Time'. I am tempted to use it.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Strazos on July 22, 2005, 04:52:38 PM

Fucking clown shoes. I have hated every change since they started awarding points for OT losses, like the NHL was the fucking Special Olympics and everyone who competed needed to feel good about trying. Fuck all that. If you can't win in regulation, you better find a way to hold on for a tie (and a point) or get a goal. Otherwise go fuck yourself and take your 0 points like a man.

This was already put to rest above; "Holding on for a tie" is lame and makes for boring hockey. Getting an automatic point opens things up. A lot.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 22, 2005, 05:30:06 PM
Put to rest by whom? It has always been stupid, and I have always loudly proclaimed it as such.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Paelos on July 22, 2005, 05:48:53 PM
Put to rest by whom? It has always been stupid, and I have always loudly proclaimed it as such.

In this case I think we are saying that playing for ties is anti-fun.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: WayAbvPar on July 25, 2005, 10:34:45 AM
Getting positive feedback for a loss is anti-competition.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Paelos on July 25, 2005, 02:02:44 PM
Getting positive feedback for a loss is anti-competition.

So nix the OTL and keep the shootout. I'm fine with that. Hell, just nix OT altogether in regular season games if you want to do that. I just HATE ties.


Title: Re: Molson and mullets for everyone!
Post by: Bunk on July 26, 2005, 08:35:55 AM
I still prefer ties to shootout losses. Nothing like watching a team fight like hell to come back from a defficit in the third, and then lose on what is essentially a coinflip.  Shootouts in hockey aren't quite as bad as they are in Soccer, but they are close.