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Title: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: Shockeye on April 18, 2005, 08:38:51 AM
From the "There Can Be Only One" Dept...

Quote from: AP
Adobe to Buy Macromedia in $3.4B Deal (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=509&e=7&u=/ap/20050418/ap_on_bi_ge/adobe_macromedia)

22 minutes ago   Business - AP

By MATTHEW FORDAHL, AP Technology Writer

SAN JOSE, Calif. - Combining two of the largest makers of software for creating and delivering digital content, Adobe Systems Inc. said Monday it will acquire Macromedia Inc. in an all-stock transaction valued at approximately $3.4 billion.

Shares of Macromedia, known for its Dreamweaver Web-design program and Flash, which animates and adds interactivity to Web pages, rose more than 8 percent in early trading, while Adobe shares sank 11 percent.

Both companies said the long-rumored acquisition was not to consolidate and cut costs but to help Adobe expand into new markets, particularly in the area of providing content to mobile phones and other handheld devices.

Adobe's software includes the popular Acrobat program for creating and reading documents in the PDF format, as well as the popular Photoshop program for working with digital photographs.

Macromedia, based in San Francisco, recently announced tools for expanding its reach into mobile devices.

"This is not a consolidation play. This is all about growth," said Bruce Chizen, Adobe's chief executive. "We're doing this because we believe the combined offerings will be even more compelling to our customers given the challenges they're going to face in trying to communicate information in this very complex environment."

Neither company would speculate Monday on actual product plans after the deal is closed.

There is some product overlap, including Adobe Illustrator and Macromedia Freehand in graphics design, Adobe GoLive and Dreamweaver for Web page creation, and Photoshop and Macromedia Fireworks for working with photos and other graphics.

Under terms of the deal, approved by the companies' boards of directors, Macromedia stockholders will receive 0.69 shares of Adobe common stock for every share of their Macromedia common stock.

That will result in Macromedia stockholders owning about 18 percent of the combined company when the deal closes.

Shares of Adobe lost $6.77, or 11 percent, to $53.89, in Monday morning trading on the Nasdaq Stock Market. Macromedia shares gained $2.76, or 8.3 percent, to $36.21.

The transaction, contingent upon the approval of regulators as well as the shareholders of both companies, is expected to be completed by the fall. The combined company will keep Adobe's name and San Jose headquarters.

The companies, up until about 2001, were bitter rivals, squabbling over the look of the interfaces used in their software. Still, financial analysts and customers have been speculating about a merger for years.

Afterward, both struggled as Internet boom ended, said Steven Elop, Macromedia's chief executive.

"We were largely focused inward, making sure we had the strategies in place for the next generation of activities," he said. "We both, in parallel, developed visions that turned out to be very complementary, and we established a track record of success that puts us in a much stronger position to look outward."

Chizen will remain as chief executive of the combined company and Adobe's Shantanu Narayenb will continue as president and chief operating officer. Elop will join Adobe as president of worldwide field operations.

The companies said they are in the midst of developing "integration plans" that will build on their similarities. They did not mention layoffs.

Adobe employs 3,700 people in offices around the world. It reported revenues of $1.295 billion for fiscal 2003. Macromedia reported sales of $370 million in fiscal 2004.

"While we anticipate the integration team will identify opportunities for cost savings by the time the acquisition closes, the primary motivation for the two companies' joining is to continue to expand and grow our business into new markets," Chizen said.

On Monday, both companies also updated their financial guidance.

Adobe said it expects sales and profits to be at the upper end of the range of its previous estimates. Macromedia said it expects to exceed its previous forecast.

"It's a lot easier to combine two companies that are healthy and doing really well with lots of growth than it is to try to acquire and integrate a company that is broken," Chizen said. "That is the piece that gave us comfort in taking the next step."

I guess Fireworks will probably be the first piece of software to get the axe. I wouldn't be suprised if InDesign is next.


Title: Re: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: bhodikhan on April 18, 2005, 08:51:08 AM
InDesign gets a lot of attention from Adobe. It's not going anywhere. That's the print design app that's trying to kill Quark. It's a 4-color high-end publishing monster.

Macromedia has the best web tools. Adobe seems to have the best print tools. Should be interesting to see how the product line looks in about 2 years.

Fireworks can really compress JPEG files way better than anything else I've seen. Photoshop/ImageReady somehow can't come close. Trash Fireworks but save the compression and put it into Photoshop. I always use Fireworks to compress.

Kill GoLive. Fast. That's the worst excuse for a web authoring tool I've ever had to use.



Title: Re: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: Shockeye on April 18, 2005, 08:52:12 AM
InDesign gets a lot of attention from Adobe. It's not going anywhere. That's the print design app that's trying to kill Quark. It's a 4-color high-end publishing monster.

Macromedia has the best web tools. Adobe seems to have the best print tools. Should be interesting to see how the product line looks in about 2 years.

Fireworks can really compress JPEG files way better than anything else I've seen. Photoshop/ImageReady somehow can't come close. Trash Fireworks but save the compression and put it into Photoshop. I always use Fireworks to compress.

Kill GoLive. Fast. That's the worst excuse for a web authoring tool I've ever had to use.

Yeah, I got InDesign confused with GoLive. My bad.

GoLive and Fireworks, I'll wager, will be the first two to go.


Title: Re: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: Pococurante on April 18, 2005, 08:54:09 AM
And it is still up in the air if the merger can hold its own against the M$ bundling of MDI in the next release.  Inertia > Innovation


Title: Re: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: bhodikhan on April 18, 2005, 08:57:34 AM
The one program from Adobe that I hope gets brought back to life would be LiveMotion. That app was amazing for creating Flash stuff. Instead of the stupid Flash interface it used the AfterEffects interface and you could create nice flash projects using bezier pathing and a layer centric design.

Adobe has been quiet about LiveMotion since they canned it. Perhaps they will incorporate some of it's great ideas into Flash.

This purchase/merger really could have potential. I can't wait and see what happens.


Title: Re: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: Riggswolfe on April 18, 2005, 09:10:17 AM
I have mixed feelings. I love Macromedia's ease of use and fire up Photoshop when I want to do something really detailed. Hmmm....

Alot of mergers lately it seems like.


Title: Re: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: stray on April 18, 2005, 09:18:17 AM
GoLive used to be great, and better than everything else on the market. Before Adobe got a hold of it. That was several years ago, but I think Adobe has only updated it like 1 or 2 times since.


Title: Re: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: HaemishM on April 18, 2005, 09:36:39 AM
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There is some product overlap, including Adobe Illustrator and Macromedia Freehand in graphics design, Adobe GoLive and Dreamweaver for Web page creation, and Photoshop and Macromedia Fireworks for working with photos and other graphics.

Thank you, master of the fucking obvious.

This saddens me. Macromedia was already moving to insane price structures and 6-month product cycles. This means that for the most part, almost all web design tools will come from one ginormous conglomerate. Fuckers. I hate me some mergers.


Title: Re: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: bhodikhan on April 18, 2005, 11:02:53 AM
As someone who owns multiple copies of Adobe Creative Suite and Macromedia Studio 2004 I'm not upgrading anything until I see some idea of what Adobe plans on doing. I'm real tired of the riding the $$$$ upgrade train.

Too much money for a few more features. I have a feeling it's going to end up like Microsoft Office. I stopped caring about the features with Office 2000. Even that was bloated and overpriced.


Title: Re: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: stray on April 18, 2005, 11:10:33 AM
As someone who owns multiple copies of Adobe Creative Suite and Macromedia Studio 2004 I'm not upgrading anything until I see some idea of what Adobe plans on doing. I'm real tired of the riding the $$$$ upgrade train.

Too much money for a few more features. I have a feeling it's going to end up like Microsoft Office. I stopped caring about the features with Office 2000. Even that was bloated and overpriced.


Well...yeah.

The only reason you should ever upgrade is if everyone else has upgraded and you can't read their files. But even in Adobe's case, file changes aren't that drastic. Hell, I know guys who still use Illustrator 5.


Title: Re: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: bhodikhan on April 18, 2005, 11:17:51 AM
So very right. Other people upgrade and I have to follow.

I usually wait until some client sends me a Flash file I can't read or some inane Illustrator file using the 'new' embedded PDF crap.

The new stuff is just new. Usually not better. In my opinion Photoshop 7 and Illustrator 8 are quite good and I can't think of any reason other than working with others to upgrade.

Just thinking about all the upgrading and money I've wasted is giving me a headache.



Title: Re: Presenting Adobe Flash CS
Post by: ClydeJr on April 22, 2005, 02:35:22 PM
Translation From PR-Speak to English of Selected Portions of Adobe’s ‘FAQ’ Regarding Their Acquisition of Macromedia (http://daringfireball.net/2005/04/adobe_translation)

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Do you expect to integrate the FlashPlayer and the Adobe Reader?

PR-Speak: The complementary functionality of FlashPlayer and Adobe Reader will enable the deployment of a more robust cross-media, rich-client technology platform. The combined company will continue to be committed to the needs of both the FlashPlayer and Adobe Reader users.

English: You think the current version of Acrobat Reader takes too long to launch, runs too slowly, and uses too much memory? You ain’t seen nothing yet.