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Title: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: Shockeye on April 13, 2005, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: Reuters
Cannibal, Prosecutors Launch Rival Appeals (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20050413/od_nm/crime_germany_cannibal_dc)

Wed Apr 13,12:36 PM ET

By Sabine Siebold

KARLSRUHE, Germany (Reuters) - A German cannibal and prosecutors launched rival appeals at Germany's top criminal court Wednesday against his manslaughter conviction for killing and eating a willing victim.

(http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20050413/t/r4008238353.jpg)

Armin Meiwes was sentenced to eight and a half years in January 2004 after a gory case that both fascinated and repulsed Germany and the world.

Meiwes admitted to killing a Berlin computer specialist, Bernd-Juergen B, he met via the Internet, but was spared a murder verdict as the victim had asked to be eaten in a startling case of sexual fetishism.

Meiwes recorded the deed on video tape and shocked the court with his matter-of-fact account of how he severed the man's penis at the latter's request, and how they both tried to eat it, first raw and then fried in a saucepan.

Prosecutors believe the initial ruling and sentence were inadequate and said they wanted judges to convict Meiwes of murder as he had killed his victim to satisfy perverted desires.

"For the accused, it was only about fulfilling his fetish for human flesh," state prosecutor Lothar Senge told Germany's Federal Court of Justice.

"He will kill again if he gets the chance," he said.

Meiwes' lawyer Harald Ermel instead urged a conviction on the lesser charge of "killing on request," a form of illegal euthanasia that carries a maximum five year sentence.

Both Meiwes and prosecutors want the case sent back to a lower court.

The Federal Criminal Court will give its verdict on April 22. If it does refer the case back, it would likely indicate whether the initial ruling was too lenient or too harsh.

Ermel told the court that Meiwes, who was not present, was intelligent and would not commit the same mistake again.

"You can assume that he has learned," he said.

He added that Meiwes' sole motive was to carry out the wishes of his victim, rather than due to other "base motives."

"Meiwes was the man who satisfied desires. He was always the one who did what the others wanted," he said.

The victim had ended his life with a "beautiful death" according to his wishes, Ermel said.

"Mr B. took part in his own killing and was the driving force of the whole thing," Ermel said.

A German filmmaker announced plans last year to make a movie about the German cannibal. With the working title "Your Heart in my Brain," it has already received funding from a regional film foundation.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: HaemishM on April 13, 2005, 01:11:10 PM
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Ermel told the court that Meiwes, who was not present, was intelligent and would not commit the same mistake again.

"You can assume that he has learned," he said.

Really, really, for real this time, I won't eat anyone else, even if they ask. I totally mean it. Really. I'm not even hungry. I'm not even thinking of taking say, an arm or a leg off of you and fricassing the whole shmear with a side baby greens salad. I totally do not want to slice off your genitalia and make a sausage sub.

I mean it.

Really.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: WayAbvPar on April 13, 2005, 01:38:54 PM
What the fuck is wrong with German people?


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: SirBruce on April 13, 2005, 01:57:48 PM
He shouldn't have been convicted in the first place.  If someone wants to commit suicide by letting someone else eat them, I'm all for it.

Bruce


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: Bunk on April 13, 2005, 02:08:41 PM
Bruce, while I'm all in favour of a person's right to decide when and how they die, its not the issue here. The issue is whether a guy who would be happily willing to chop of another mans penis, try eating eat sahimi style, and then end up frying it and eating it like a bratwurst... whether he should be allowed to remain in society.

Fuck, now I've made myself queasy just typing that.

I'm no expert, but to my knowledge canabalism is a crime, willing victim or not.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: Der Helm on April 13, 2005, 02:51:20 PM
What the fuck is wrong with German people?

Nothing ? :D

As far as I know, eating the flesh of a fellow human being is no crime, but aquiring the meat is it what gets you into jail.

EDIT: For teh funnies ...


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: WayAbvPar on April 13, 2005, 03:40:58 PM
What the fuck is wrong with German people?

Nothing ?

As far as I know, eating the flesh of a fellow human being is no crime, but aquiring the meat is it what gets you into jail.


It was a quote made in jest (http://www.southparkquotes.com/episodes/unknown-quotes-8.html). Relax.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: Der Helm on April 13, 2005, 03:56:22 PM
Damm. I thought you were trying to insult german people. I stand corrected.

EDIT: /sarcasm


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: schild on April 13, 2005, 03:58:15 PM
Damm. I thought you were trying to insult german people. I stand corrected.

We don't generally insult broad groups of people. Korean Catasses? Ok, yea, we insult them. But we'd all probably be playing games all the time also. Christians? Only the extremists. But then, we insult the extreme of every group of people.

I like german synthpop too much to insult Germans.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: SirBruce on April 13, 2005, 04:02:14 PM
All of which once again proves my theory - Germans love David Hasselhoff!

Bruce


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: Der Helm on April 13, 2005, 04:08:58 PM
All of which once again proves my theory - Germans love David Hasselhoff!

Bruce


It is an acquired taste.

And please, can we have some sarcasm tags. I need them.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: MaceVanHoffen on April 13, 2005, 04:27:22 PM
And please, can we have some sarcasm tags. I need them.

Around here, it's probably better to have not-sarcasm tags.  Much less markup that way.



Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: Der Helm on April 13, 2005, 04:36:48 PM
Was that sarcasm ?


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: stray on April 13, 2005, 04:37:53 PM
 :roll: <---- Sarcasm

That's probably your best bet.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: MaceVanHoffen on April 13, 2005, 04:43:55 PM
Was that sarcasm ?

No.  We're a sarcastic lot.



Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: Der Helm on April 13, 2005, 04:47:46 PM
Was that sarcasm ?

No.  We're a sarcastic lot.


Damm.

Edit:  :roll:


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: Strazos on April 13, 2005, 09:57:24 PM
Oh well, Germans make me some good Trance.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: HaemishM on April 14, 2005, 08:54:14 AM
Damm. I thought you were trying to insult german people. I stand corrected.

We don't generally insult broad groups of people. Korean Catasses? Ok, yea, we insult them. But we'd all probably be playing games all the time also. Christians? Only the extremists. But then, we insult the extreme of every group of people.

You forgot the French.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: Paelos on April 14, 2005, 08:57:25 AM
I hate two kinds of people in the world: people who are intolerant of other cultures, and the Dutch.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: voodoolily on April 14, 2005, 11:06:31 AM
"I'm not racist - I hate everyone equally." -my dad

Two of my very favorite things come from Germany: brats and doppelbock.  Being a Kraut myself, I feel no qualms about saying that everything else German is totally fucked. That's what makes Germany so awesome.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: Der Helm on April 14, 2005, 12:13:09 PM
everything else German is totally fucked. That's what makes Germany so awesome.

Damm you, now I am all misty eyed.

That was so beautifull ...


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: voodoolily on April 14, 2005, 12:25:36 PM
Edelweiß, Edelweiß,du grüßt mich jeden morgen,
Sehe ich dich, freue ich mich, und vergeß meine Sorgen.
Schmücke das Heimatland, schön und weiß, blühest wie die Sterne.
Edelweiß, Edelweiß, ach, ich hab dich so gerne.

Blossom of snow, may you bloom and grow. Bloom and grow forever. *wipes tear, sniffles*


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: TheWalrus on April 14, 2005, 11:22:48 PM
 I know thats Edelweiss, but I can't read German. Sucks, because I love that song. Stupid Sound of Music soundtrack will now revolve on my mental turntable. /rude


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: schild on April 14, 2005, 11:24:28 PM
"I'm not racist - I hate everyone equally." -my dad

Wasn't that George Carlin like 30 years ago?

Wait, is George Carlin your dad?!


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: Daeven on April 15, 2005, 07:51:08 AM
I hate two kinds of people in the world: people who are intolerant of other cultures, and the Dutch.
And it looks like the Dutch might be getting over that little fobile.


Title: Re: I can't help myself from posting this. I've tried to stop, but I can't.
Post by: voodoolily on April 15, 2005, 10:12:20 AM
"I'm not racist - I hate everyone equally." -my dad

Wasn't that George Carlin like 30 years ago?

Wait, is George Carlin your dad?!

Oh. My. Gah.

That explains so much!

......Daddy?