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Title: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on April 06, 2005, 09:43:49 PM
Let's win this shit. Time to get hardcore. We won the Ngage code cracking contest, I have faith in winning this new thing:

http://www.ourcolony.net/

The race begins...NOW.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on April 06, 2005, 09:50:28 PM
Password to enter Site: Play

-> Join Existing Colony
Team name: f13.net
Team password: 67197351


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on April 06, 2005, 09:51:49 PM
We need at least 5 people. And I should have named the fucking thing Bat Country.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on April 06, 2005, 10:12:44 PM
Gamespot picked up the story:

The second half of this article (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/04/06/news_6121811.html):

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Several such fliers were also plastered around the Sony Metreon in San Francisco right around the time of the PSP launch. The fliers are a classic example of a "teaser" campaign, where a cryptic billboard or flyer stirs interest in a product or service--in this case, ourcolony.net.

Another similarity between ourcolony.net and ilovebees.com is the prominent countdown clock on its home page. The countdown will ends at 8pm PDT on Thursday, May 12, nearly four days to the hour before Microsoft's pre-E3 presentation on the evening of May 16. What will happen on May 12 remains unclear. But, during his keynote at GDC last month, Chief XNA Architect and Corporate Vice President J Allard confirmed Microsoft would use the May 16 presentation to unveil its next-generation Xbox. Unconfirmed reports also say Allard sported a t-shirt with an ant logo on it while at GDC, though no such logo was visible during his keynote address.

That said, there does appear to be more than one direct connection between ourcolony.net and Microsoft. First, one of the distorted images on the ourcolony.net home page features an Xbox power button. When compared to a current-generation Xbox's power button, the pattern is unmistakable, although it is now set against a shiny white background.

But whereas Ilovebees.com was a narrative-driven mystery, ourcolony.net appears to be a competition. After successfully guessing the password to enter the site (Hint: it rhymes with "hay") a message from someone called the "Gamem8ker" asks visitors to form a "colony" or team. "It's colony against colony and to the winner, well, the winner gets all," reads a message from the Gamem8ker.

How does one win? Do the still-unnamed viral-marketing firm's legwork and spread the word about ourcolony.net. After starting a colony, players of the not-an-alternate reality who recruit five to the colony game will get their first "challenge," and will receive more challenges as they recruit more members to join the ad campaign/game. "You're not going to make it to the end if you try to solo this, there's strength in numbers," reads Gamem8ker's message.

The second connection to Microsoft has to do with the rewards doled out to colonies that win challenges. According to posts in the ourcolony.net forums, challenge-winners receive partial pictures of what looks like a white version of a redesigned Xbox controller. Currently, only two images are currently available--both in a folder marked "thesecret" on the site's directory. The first looks like a thumbstick above a D-pad. The second shows the D-pad in more detail, just above a curved edge in what appears to be the middle of a controller. When combined and compared to a current-generation S-controller, the images exhibit a distinctly Xbox-ian layout and feel, although the start and back buttons appear to be missing. As the ourcolony.net competition progresses, it is almost certain that a more pictures of the controller--and perhaps its console--will surface.

The ourcolony.net-Microsoft connection is also circumstantially backed up by the fact most colonies already involved in the game are linked to the Xbox in some way, either in the form of Xbox Live clans or Xbox fan sites.

While obvious, the connection between ourcolony.net and Microsoft is not official--and likely won't be before E3. When presented with the images from ourcolony.net and the sites similarities with ilovebees.com, a Microsoft spokesperson would only give the following statement: "We’re aware of the fact that ourcolony.net has captured the imagination thousands of gamers across the world, and that these gamers have taken control of the site and are making it their own."


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Shockeye on April 06, 2005, 11:40:55 PM
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Challenge
LAST " " 0761537082


Opening the Xbox : Inside Microsoft's Plan to Unleash an Entertainment Revolution
Author: DEAN TAKAHASHI
Format: Hardcover
Pub. Date: 23 April, 2002
Publisher: Prima Lifestyles
ISBN: 0761537082
 


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on April 07, 2005, 12:00:05 AM
The last quote in that book. Well shiat. I have no Barnes & Noble or Border's near me. Who wants to take care of this one?

Edit: I tried a combination of a lot of shit from the last quotes on the Amazon "Look inside this book" shit. Unfortunately, it skips from page 6 to the index. Looks like we might have to find the book as the back cover revealed nothing.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Murgos on April 07, 2005, 05:52:24 AM
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[HttpException (0x80004005): Server Too Busy]
   System.Web.HttpRuntime.RejectRequestInternal(HttpWorkerRequest wr) +148

Thier .net app ate itself.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: stray on April 07, 2005, 06:03:02 AM
Yeah, that site runs like shit. I'll try later.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Xilren's Twin on April 07, 2005, 08:07:07 AM
Heh, finally got to type in "play" and promptly got this...

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Transaction (Process ID 68) was deadlocked on lock resources with another process and has been chosen as the deadlock victim. Rerun the transaction.

I'm a victim!  Where's Johnny Cochran now that I need him...

Xilren


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Shockeye on April 07, 2005, 08:43:51 AM
Did you try anything from the last quote on the back cover of the book?

The back cover is available on Amazon for viewing and the last quote on it is by Dawn C. Chmielewski from the San Jose Mercury News.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on April 07, 2005, 08:45:03 AM
Did you try anything from the last quote on the back cover of the book?

The back cover is available on Amazon for viewing and the last quote on it is by Dawn C. Chmielewski from the San Jose Mercury News.

Quote
Edit: I tried a combination of a lot of shit from the last quotes on the Amazon "Look inside this book" shit. Unfortunately, it skips from page 6 to the index. Looks like we might have to find the book as the back cover revealed nothing.

kekelaaaaa~ ^_^


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Xilren's Twin on April 07, 2005, 08:46:01 AM
Got it. It was "just imagine the future".

Next linky is this

http://www.ourcolony.net/thesecret/2.jpg

Xilren


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on April 07, 2005, 08:48:27 AM
Analog nub.

Edit: I can not access the web site. So uhhhh. Yea.

Edit: Ok, so I got in. We just have to wait for the next challenge I think. That link is just telling us to "imagine a chrome plated analog nub." Or something equally stupid. Either way, not a challenge  :cry:


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Murgos on April 07, 2005, 09:17:59 AM
Now a I get a "The Colony is growing quickly.  Please be patient." error page.  Nice 14pt black text on a white background.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Murgos on April 07, 2005, 09:58:44 AM
source code for our team page has a commented out anchor tage below the link to the metal nub image.
Code:
<!--<a id="solve" href="javascript:submit('challenge');">Solve</a>-->

which is the following javascript function

Code:
/* form submission */

// accepts id of form node to submit.  use for submitting via link instead of submit button.
function submit(id) {
//if(f.onsubmit()) alert('ok');
var f = document.getElementById(id);
if(f.onsubmit) { if(f.onsubmit()) f.submit(); }
else { f.submit(); }
}

I don't know if this is part of the challenge or not, but someone else will have to figure it out.  It would seem silly to make you wait until they are ready for you to go to the next challenge, it's time restricting the winner.


edit:  Looking at the code again, it looks like it IS just form validation that was cut out of the page because the previous challenge was answered already.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Krakrok on April 07, 2005, 10:00:48 AM
There is also

http://www.ourcolony.net/thesecret/1.jpg


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Miasma on April 07, 2005, 10:45:36 AM
Analog nub.

Edit: I can not access the web site. So uhhhh. Yea.

Edit: Ok, so I got in. We just have to wait for the next challenge I think. That link is just telling us to "imagine a chrome plated analog nub." Or something equally stupid. Either way, not a challenge  :cry:
That image where you login looks like the reflection from a chrome plated nub.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Samwise on April 07, 2005, 11:57:24 AM
Now I can't get in.  I think their server is cracking under the pressure.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Xilren's Twin on April 07, 2005, 02:04:24 PM
Sadly, it looks like this particular race began at least a month ago...which is why some teams have so many points.  It also appears you can only get 1 challenge a day, so the points from adding members and submitting challenges add up too..

i.E. If you type "create" on the intial screen, you get this...

http://www.ourcolony.net/canvas/

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Think you're better than the rest of these "n00bs" playing the game and want your shot at running it? this is your chance to show me you're better than them. If your challenge is good enough, I'll use it and make sure everybody knows you're a step ahead of them and the game.

There's only a few rules to remember when you're making up your challenge

keep it clean
don't break the law
don't hurt anyone
someone's gotta be able to solve it
There's no guarantee I'll use whatever it is you come up with, but if i do use it the reward will be sweet.

Make your own challenge and tell me what it is. or build your own and gimme the URL.

Our Symbol (http://www.ourcolony.net/downloads/symbol.zip)

Also, "rules" on the main page gets you this

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Rules
Welcome to the colony. I'm glad you're here. Maybe you've been playing the game for a while now or maybe you've just begun. Since you've made it here I can give you a few hints on how the colony works.

Grow your colony and work together
Answer right and answer first
This is global, get people around the world in your colony
Make it your game
Show our symbol and share
Keep what I've said in mind as you play and soon enough, you'll be leading Colony.

Worth a browse daily for the hell of it.

Xilren


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Samwise on April 07, 2005, 05:10:06 PM
Hm.  Is there a "log in" button somewhere that I missed?  Or do I just keep re-registering?


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Xilren's Twin on April 07, 2005, 08:14:49 PM
Hm.  Is there a "log in" button somewhere that I missed?  Or do I just keep re-registering?

The site very hit and miss, but I just bookmarked the team page so I could minimize my clicks.  If ypu go through the front page you would click on the "my colony" link and throw in your username and password.

Xilren


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Furiously on April 08, 2005, 11:07:05 AM
It won't let me in - getting growing message.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Xilren's Twin on April 08, 2005, 11:43:57 AM
This thing is just plain weird.  Finally made it in a few minutes ago, and while there no new challenge yet today, the team page gave me this...

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Colony leader board
Rank Score Name
1 120 f13.net
2 6934 TeamXbox
3 4055 yay
3 4713 ARGolonists
4 3846 lljk
5 2734 TeamXbox
6 2536 XBW
7 1930 Aglami
8 1800 GAF Horde

Unless they have suddenly changed to lowest score wins, I have no idea why that ranking system shows as it does.  There were team way ahead of us, and also behind us yesterday...

Xilren


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Shockeye on April 08, 2005, 11:48:43 AM
Every time I hit refresh the leader board changes with no rhyme or reason.

FUBAR


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Samwise on April 09, 2005, 02:42:32 PM
Current challenge:

20000 CMWKTRW. Who?


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Furiously on April 10, 2005, 08:43:46 PM
Answered previous.

Next one:
Your memory is lost, your aura is high, your life within an inch, you have one weapon left to finish off the enemy what is it? If yo


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on April 10, 2005, 08:47:34 PM
Here's the whole thing.

Quote
Your memory is lost, your aura is high, your life within
an inch, you have one weapon left to finish off the enemy
what is it? If you read closely you should know the answer


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Xilren's Twin on April 11, 2005, 08:54:12 AM
Actually, now it's this:

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Up for anything as she marches to the beat of 11 drummers. No that's superficial.

Xilren



Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Furiously on April 12, 2005, 10:55:05 AM
Now it is blank.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Xilren's Twin on April 12, 2005, 03:14:58 PM
Now it is blank.

As of 6:00pm EST, it's a puzzle piece shaped picture of a red car.  Plus the note

Quote
ready for more secrets?

if you aim to find the truth, you will uncover a real caty in our midst

Xilren


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Furiously on April 12, 2005, 11:40:25 PM
11:39 Pacific it is:

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ready for more secrets?


if you aim to find the truth, you will uncover tom canty instead of edward

(to err is human, without the colony, you would have been misled by the error)


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Hanzii on April 13, 2005, 04:10:33 AM
See, I have no idea what to do here, but does it help any to note, that Tom Canty and Edward (Tudor) are the protagonists in Mark Twains The Prince and the Pauper?


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Aenovae on April 13, 2005, 06:24:57 PM
Quote
It is "The End" when Alpha, Delta and Omega are destroyed.

Missile Command


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Murgos on April 13, 2005, 06:37:43 PM
You don't get a lot of points for answering the trivia, at least not compared with points for new members.  It's a clever idea, the trick to winning is to advertise for them.  Unfortunately, what it really means is that the winner will be whoever figures out how to spoof new user authentication process the most efficiently.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Aenovae on April 13, 2005, 06:51:33 PM
No matter what the scheme, TeamXbox will blow everyone else out of the water.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on April 15, 2005, 11:21:39 AM
(http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/2645411320818408.JPG)

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Over on the Team Xbox forums, “McNasty04” has made a startling discovery:

“After reading the description of the supposed design of the next xbox. I noticed something when I went to look at something on xbox.com. Something about the design of the site caught my eye. In the article the person talks about how it will be able to stand on its side and is concave in the middle aka “sucking in its cheeks”. Could the xbox 360 design have been in front of our faces this whole time? I am just merely brining this up because I found it interesting and thought it might interest a few of you.”

Team Xbox you say? Heh.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Furiously on April 18, 2005, 11:23:59 AM
(http://www.ourcolony.net/images/gamem8ker/112798.jpg)

Is it music?


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on April 25, 2005, 10:07:17 AM
For those of you that don't scour the web endlessly in search of drama:

(http://media.teamxbox.com/dailyposts/xbox360/rumor/xbox360_front.jpg)

(http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1141/1114229643.jpg)

(http://media.teamxbox.com/dailyposts/xbox360/rumor/xbox360.jpg)

(http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1141/1114401745.jpg)



Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: MrHat on April 25, 2005, 10:44:24 AM
(http://www.ourcolony.net/images/gamem8ker/112798.jpg)

Is it music?

Binary maybe? || = 1, |  | = 0 ?


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Kail on April 25, 2005, 11:44:40 AM
(Big Pic)
Is it music?

Binary maybe? || = 1, |  | = 0 ?

To me, it looks kind of like the sheet music you'd run through one of those old player pianos.  But, I don't know how to read that.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Strazos on April 26, 2005, 09:36:51 PM
I'm just wondering where my control ports are on the 360....I really hope they are not forcing me to use ghey wireless controllers....

They better at least be rechargable. I don't buy a console to bankroll the battery industry like handhelds (use to) do, kthx.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on April 26, 2005, 10:19:48 PM
They're wireless. If they get the battery life of the Wavebirds, you won't be bankrolling anything.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Shockeye on May 13, 2005, 12:02:39 PM
Enjoy the video. (http://msxb.wmod.llnwd.net/a274/o2/ourcolony/TheColony_v1_750k.wmv)


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on May 13, 2005, 02:18:38 PM
That video streamed amazingly well.

Also, looks like the system is backwards compatible. Well, at least seemingly so from some of the screenshots on the monitors.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Shockeye on May 13, 2005, 02:30:38 PM
That video streamed amazingly well.

Also, looks like the system is backwards compatible. Well, at least seemingly so from some of the screenshots on the monitors.

System is not backwards compatible yet according to everything I've read in this "unveiling" phase we're in now. They are working on getting it ready for release of the system, but at this point it is not yet ready.

Also, the only version of the Xbox 360 available at retail this holiday season will be the one with the 20gb hard drive. The sans hard drive version will not be out until next year.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Murgos on May 13, 2005, 02:36:53 PM
It will be a good trick to take stuff burned to a disc in IA-32 and make it usable on a Power-PC architecture and not take too much of a performance hit.  Sure, it's just a VM and that stuff is done all the time, but there is a reason it's hardly ever a good idea to do it with any kind of recent game.

I wouldn't hold my breath.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: schild on May 13, 2005, 02:37:54 PM
I have a feeling that if they can't do it through software, they'll do it through hardware.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Murgos on May 13, 2005, 02:50:18 PM
I have a feeling that if they can't do it through software, they'll do it through hardware.

Even if they include a PIII 700mhz CPU and it's attendant interface chipset your talking about increasing the price of the hardware by at least another 75 - 100 bucks.  Thats not even going into the problems of interfacing that system with thier new I/O architecture.

No, it will have probably have to be a software implimentation or I seriously doubt if it will happen at all.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Merusk on May 13, 2005, 03:13:34 PM
That video's supposed to hype the 360 and get me all excited about it, but all it did was make me decide I'm not interested in it at all.

I'm still trying to puzzle out the details of why, but I have this sense of 'danger, overhyped underused features' underlying it.  It's similar to the sensation I got when folks were hyping the Dreamcast's "emotion engine".


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Aenovae on May 13, 2005, 03:32:39 PM
The PS2 has the Emotion Engine.  Which is actually just its CPU and API.

Oh and Xbox 360 will be backwards compatible via emulation.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Pococurante on May 13, 2005, 05:26:02 PM
I'm glad the put some aging engineers on to give a spiel.  Generally when I see a shaved-baldy hoop-earring soulpatcher and I figure there's nothing else to sell.

Seriously it looks sharp.  I'm there.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Shockeye on May 13, 2005, 05:35:01 PM
The PS2 has the Emotion Engine.  Which is actually just its CPU and API.

Oh and Xbox 360 will be backwards compatible via emulation.

Not yet it isn't. They still don't have it working which is why they have not announced it yet.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Trippy on May 13, 2005, 08:21:25 PM
It will be a good trick to take stuff burned to a disc in IA-32 and make it usable on a Power-PC architecture and not take too much of a performance hit.  Sure, it's just a VM and that stuff is done all the time, but there is a reason it's hardly ever a good idea to do it with any kind of recent game.

I wouldn't hold my breath.
On the other hand Microsoft bought Virtual PC from Connectix a while back and this technology is presumably what they are adopting for use on the Xbox 360. And while it is true that emulating other processors through software is a *huge* relative performance hit you have to remember that the Xbox only has a P3-class CPU while the Xbox 360 has a 3 GHz triple-core PowerPC CPU with the multi-core part being key since you can parallelize the x64 to PowerPC instruction translation with the actual game computations.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Murgos on May 14, 2005, 11:59:17 AM
You're absolutely right Trippy, the flaw with that though is that if it were as simple as a virtual PC port every Microsoft press-release would have touted thier backwards compatibility.  They haven't done that yet so I'm guessing there is a bigger engineering problem lurking beneath the waves than a fairly straightforward port to thier new chipset.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Shockeye on May 14, 2005, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: Seattle Post-Intelligencer
Next Xbox 'backward compatible'? Microsoft still hasn't said (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/224103_xboxback13.html)
Friday, May 13, 2005
By TODD BISHOP
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

Even as Microsoft took the wraps off its new Xbox 360 video-game console last night, the company left a major question unanswered: Will the new Xbox play games made for the old?

The issue, known as backward compatibility, is a key one for game developers and console owners hoping to bring their existing libraries of games along with them to the next generation. One of the reasons commonly credited for the success of Sony's dominant PlayStation 2 is its ability to play games that were originally made for its predecessor.

But as recently as last week, a Microsoft executive said the Redmond company hadn't yet determined whether the new Xbox 360, set for release this year, would be backward compatible.

"We don't know yet, as scary as that is," said Peter Moore, an Xbox corporate vice president. He cited "a host of technical issues" for the uncertainty, without being more specific.

There are fundamental technical differences between the first Xbox and the Xbox 360 in such areas as the central processing unit and the graphics processing unit. In both cases, Microsoft switched to different suppliers in the new console -- IBM for the central processing unit and ATI for the graphics chip.

"We completely changed the processor and the GPU," explained Chris Satchell, general manager of Microsoft's XNA game development platform. "You can imagine that can cause some challenges."

Although Microsoft didn't make any announcement yesterday on the subject, Moore said it should know the answer to the backward-compatibility question by Monday, the day of its briefing at the E3 game conference.

Microsoft plans to continue making the current Xbox even after releasing the new one. But in a research note this week, Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter predicted that a lack of backward compatibility would "dramatically reduce demand for current-generation Xbox games" and cause sales of the original Xbox console to "rapidly decline."

Pachter wrote that the situation may come down to whether Microsoft is able to license patented technology from one of the processor vendors for the original Xbox, letting it use that technology to enable backward compatibility in the Xbox 360.

It's not clear how much a lack of backward compatibility would affect Xbox 360 sales. In reality, most people end up preferring games specifically made for a new console even if they're able to play games on it that were made for the earlier hardware, said Michael Goodman, senior analyst with the Yankee Group research and consulting firm.

But it's the type of issue that could help Sony and Nintendo in the public-relations battle over the next-generation consoles, particularly if their upcoming machines are backward compatible.

"If you have the capability, and your competitor doesn't, you hype it," Goodman said. "If it pops popcorn and your competitor's doesn't, then you hype that fact."


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Margalis on May 14, 2005, 01:46:42 PM
If they don't know by now, there is very little chance it will be backwards compatible.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Shockeye on May 14, 2005, 01:59:11 PM
If they don't know by now, there is very little chance it will be backwards compatible.

I'm guessing the problem lies in emulating the nVidia chip specifics of the Xbox. The Xbox 360 should have plenty of horsepower to run x86 emulation at the level of a P3-733.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Murgos on May 14, 2005, 02:23:57 PM
There used to be an issue with Virtual PC and endianess on the G5, I don't know if it's still an issue or if it's related to this question.  I assume we will find out in time.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Trippy on May 14, 2005, 08:21:50 PM
If they don't know by now, there is very little chance it will be backwards compatible.
I'm guessing the problem lies in emulating the nVidia chip specifics of the Xbox.
If that is the reason then somebody at Microsoft messed up since developers have known since Summer 2003 that the Xbox 2 would be switching to an ATI GPU so either Microsoft botched up their DirectX equivalent for the Xbox and forced developers to write straight to the GPU to get decent performance or they didn't grease enough palms/apply enough pressure to keep overenthusiastic developers from writing native NVIDIA code.


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Trippy on May 16, 2005, 11:25:31 PM
It looks like the Xbox 360 will be backwards compatible, kind of, maybe, sort of:

Quote from: GameSpot
Xbox 360 picks up Final Fantasy XI, will be backwards compatible (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124746.html)
[...]
Along with a firm release date and price point, the other big question surrounding the 360 was backward compatibility. However, Microsoft would only say that the console will be "backward-compatible with top-selling Xbox games." This ambiguous wording could mean that Microsoft will select which titles will run on the next-gen console. However, it could also simply mean that Microsoft is merely being prudent in case some original Xbox titles don't work on the 360, as was the case with some older PlayStation 1 games and the PlayStation 2.
[...]


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: Yegolev on May 17, 2005, 08:22:24 AM
It looks like the Xbox 360 will be backwards compatible, kind of, maybe, sort of:

Quote from: GameSpot
Xbox 360 picks up Final Fantasy XI, will be backwards compatible (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124746.html)
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Along with a firm release date and price point, the other big question surrounding the 360 was backward compatibility. However, Microsoft would only say that the console will be "backward-compatible with top-selling Xbox games." This ambiguous wording could mean that Microsoft will select which titles will run on the next-gen console. However, it could also simply mean that Microsoft is merely being prudent in case some original Xbox titles don't work on the 360, as was the case with some older PlayStation 1 games and the PlayStation 2.
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They will release ports of the games.  Have fun buying Halo 2 again, bitches!


Title: Re: Microsoft 360 competition. Or something close to it.
Post by: HaemishM on May 17, 2005, 08:31:44 AM
So as I thought, to actually PLAY X-Box 360 games on Live, you will have to pay. Meaning the Silver service is really worthless, which is why it's free, I suppose.