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Teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOB3UALvrQ

November 11, 2022.

I'll be interested to see how this plays out. Visually it looks fantastic

Yeah, looks really good. I like the design work on the Atlanteans.

I'm kind of nervous about this one there is a lot of hard stuff to do.

Adressing the death of Boseman without it being sentimental amd dominating the film is hard. Wakanda is already hard to get right. Altantis is hard. Then having a conflixt between the two that the 'normal' world is presumably not heavily involved in, also hard.

Real danger it has some of the problems 7 rings and eternals had and by the end it turns into high fantasy bullshit with no connection to reality.

Lools pretty though.

If they set up Atlantis as yet another society that has been hiding and developing and has a beef with the world, then there's a really interesting question of "what happens when two superpowerful societies that have some real gripes with the rise of Western Europe exist". It'll be interesting if the gimmick here is that the usual "powers-that-be" are trying to manipulate Atlantis and Wakanda into war with one another with the goal of taking them off the board, and that's what the Black Panther and allies have to try and stop. I almost had the sense that there's a new character being introduced who will be half-Atlantean, half-Wakandan? If so, she might be the Panther, who ends up in a classic "person of two worlds" dilemma.

It's possible they are saying Namor's mother was Wakandan - at least that's an impression I got from that trailer. It's a gorgeous trailer and hits me right in the feelz.

Now THAT would make so much great sense, compared to the comic-book original, where Princess Fen gets sent to see who these strange American Navy guys are (like, come on, the US Navy was not a big part of Antarctic exploration anyway) and thinks instantly that the American commander is so sexy sexy that she jumps on him and has a baby almost instantly. Namor's origin has been crying out for some serious reconstruction for a long time (I dunno, maybe they've already done that in the regular comics...)

Woman mates with fish man (or vice versa) really has made much damn sense.  :why_so_serious:

It wins you Oscars.

Looks like there was an Ironheart hint in there too.

Edit: Yeah, that was definitely Ironheart.

Wake me up when we get to Ironspleen.

New trailer:

https://youtu.be/3i_pqeyGCQI

This looks amazing, hope it lives up to the trailers.

I somehow missed before that the bad guy was Mr. Nimbus, or whatever the MCU version of him is called.  Seems like it should be entertaining.

This is definitely a will-watch-movie based on the first, but I really feel like I need to watch an explainer video to get the gist of wtf was even going on in these trailers.

The kind of ballsy thing they're doing is setting this up as a clash between Latinos and Africans. Much as Wakanda was a kind of Afrocentrist-Afrofuturist dream brought to life, they're going to make the underwater kingdom out to be a sort of Atzlan, a lost or hidden Mesoamerican realm. To me that makes it a given that if they have a conflict it's going to be something they're manipulated into doing, and that the bridge to peace is going to be through some sort of literal Afro-Latino connection, e.g., characters who are mixed-race. I wouldn't be that surprised if the Panther is a new half-underwater, half-Wakandan woman while Namor is also half-Wakandan, half-underwater.

It will be interesting to see if the folks setting the conflict up also have a superpowered ally in the wings; I can't really think of a character who fits the bill. Maybe a reconceptualized Attuma. Or maybe Namor will just be the bad guy, period.

Shuri is almost certainly the new Black Panther.

First of all, wrong forum, good job Soulflame.

Second, I do agree, new panther is most likely a woman, and good odds it's Shuri.

I wonder about it being Shuri, but who knows.

There is an off chance its Nakia since the Shuri actress has gone insane.

Shuri is front and center and the largest person on the Wakandan side of the movie poster. The new Black Panther mask in the trailer* and stills also has the same white ceremonial face markings that Shuri has, at times, in the movies.

* the markings on the mask in the poster are a bit different than the trailer / stills ones

She deleted her Twitter and Instagram accounts. Presumably Disney gave her an ultimatum — shut the fuck up if you want to be in 3rd movie (it was probably too late to replace her in this one).

I feel like some degree of fakeout/mystery about who the new Panther is will be maintained until the movie comes out, if they can. It's not beyond possiblity to think that Shuri tinkers with the Panther suit for someone else and puts her marks on it as a way of "signing her work"; that the shot in the trailer is Shuri testing a suit that someone else will wear; that Shuri and Nakia end up having to fight for the role as in the first film and both of them get to wear Panther suits; etc.

It would be a good thing to play around with, I think, given the intense interest people have about who gets to be the Panther from this point onward. Heck, maybe they follow a bit of what Ta-Nehisi Coates was doing in the comics and ask "Why exactly IS Wakanda a monarchy and why exactly IS the Panther just one person? Seems kind of elitist for a supposedly utopian society..." and form up a new Panther Corps that includes all the War Dogs and Shuri too.

Given my dislike of Marvel movies because of reasons (not really a comics person and never got the humor/action mix), I actually really enjoyed the first Black Panther and this looks actually better than that.

This will be the first movie I brave the theaters for since the Pandemic.

i saw strange 2, total fuckin mistake

i plan on seeing Tar and The Menu. I will not waste a rare trip on an MCU movie before Kang is prominent.

So obviously, having to do a sequel without Chadwick was an impossible task. There's just no way around that. As a story, 2.5+ hours of tension between Namor and Wakanda was just never going to make up for what was lost. The plot just doesn't really carry a movie of that length.

That said, the entire cast is fantastic. Letitia Wright stepped up, Angela Bassett, Winston Duke, Danai Gurira, and Lupita Nyong'o are unsurprisingly all great. Tenoch Huerta was a good Namor, Dominique Thorne is a lot of fun as Riri and I'm looking forward to the Ironheart series even more now. This cast is the reason to watch the movie. They're what carries it.

Also, I'm incredibly glad that they didn't try to do any CGI or unused footage nonsense. The only time we see Boseman is during flashback montages. In particular I was worried that they'd maybe do some ancestral plane stuff with some footage of him, but they smartly avoid it.

I wonder if Letitia Wright has had to sign some kind of "I promise to shut up now" contract.

I think publicly she only pushed the anti-vax stuff with one video she linked and then later deleted. Since then she's generally dodged questions regarding vaccination.

Lupita Nyong'o is so hot it's distracting.

Yeah. Yeah, I'll agree with that. She always looks great, but she was just on another level in this.

My wife kept saying "yes" when M'Baku showed up and I kept saying "jesus" when Nakia was on screen  :grin:

I really liked the first 2 acts of this movie. That was a solid A with maybe some points taken away from Namors motivation. Riri has a lot of charm for a character in the tweeny avengers camp and the movie is hard carried by the emotions in involved. It was well done. Until the third act and the cracks in the foundation fell through and all that's left is nonsense. As tribute to Chadwick Boseman this was excellent. As possible the last Black Panther movie we're going to see in 10 years? Hmm... disappointing. So B overall.

didn't feel like a super hero movie or an action movie and its not nearly smart enough or interesting enough to be neither of those things. i may have gone in with too high expectations, first movie in 2+ years etc but while it certainly wasn't bad, there were no jolts of "oh yeah here we go" adrenaline or anything to get really amped for. my feeling leaving the theater was "that was ok, but i probably would have had more fun w/ those almost 4hrs playing video games or watching football".


an ironheart anything is the last thing i want after this btw jfc.

This would've been a great 1 hour movie. Even watching it over two nights, I kept thinking 'filler' at so many points.

That said, I dig what they did with Namor. Cool spin on it, since the original was kind of bland anyway.

But by the end when everyone had a god-level supersuit my eyes fell out of the back of my head and continued rolling out the door. So dumb. Armor Wars is going to be terribad if this is any preview.

This was pretty boring. M'baku is still cool, though.

It is true that a world where supersuits become common gets kind of dull (shades of Syndrome and "a world where everyone is special means no one is") and a world where there's no comprehensible reason why everyone doesn't have a supersuit starts to feel stupid. (Just like a world where too many people have access to something like gamma radiation or a super-soldier formula.)

Generally the only way out once that starts to happen is to have a ton of deaths/failures introduced to make clear that the heroes are exceptional/unbelievably lucky.

But I do think continuing to play with the "Wakanda and Talokan have vibranium and the rest of the world is desperate to have it" is a good plotline for a long while. Sooner or later it probably requires a reset where all the remaining vibranium disappears or something of that sort.

Supersuits make a lot more sense than stupid laser spears, Wakanda is supposed to be the strongest nation on earth and it should be more than the Black Panther and Dora Milaje carrying all the weight.

The first Black Panther seemed oddly not at all African to me. It felt like it was about African Americans.

This seemed to be making a real effort not to do that. But the score doesn't help, it keeps suggesting it is going to be African for a bit but then veers back to Hans Zimmer.

And maybe that's my view of the whole film. It keeps implying it is about to do something in a new way, and giving us another 10 minutes of explanatory dialogue to raise expectations. But then veers sharply back to the plot of Black Panther 1.

Great cast though.


Holy shit yes.

But again, MCU super spy telling us she wants a different life and she's not like everyone else, who nonetheless spends the 3rd act stood amongst the nameless soldiers doing exactly the same thing as everyone else.

Film couldn't cash the cheques it's characters were writing.

A lot of folks in continental Africa loved Black Panther.

I am gonna say that it is what a diasporic Black person's revision of a white person's fantasy about the secret utopian city at the heart of Africa looks like. Which is not uncomplicated especially for folks living in African states today but is not an unwelcome fantasy.

Sure, and it isn't like there are a whole bunch of other international movies trying to do it better.

And the MCU does this with everything anyway.

Goddamn, the pacing in this movie was an absolute trainwreck. I don't think it should have been shorter, I think it should have been a 6-10 episode TV series so that we could have room for some/one/ANY of the storylines or characters to develop. It was almost 3 hours, but felt like a breakneck train ride over a flat plain at 200 mph, all the while wanting to stop and actually see something for more than 2 seconds.

I liked Namor, the actor and especially the shift in character background that they took with the Atlanteans. I'd have liked to get some of the palace intrigue that is the entire reason you bring a character like Attuma along. Instead, Attuma is just the big dude that likes to fight instead of a surface-hating warmonger who wants the throne for himself so that he can conquer. There are hints of that intrigue at the end with the conversation between Namor and Namora, but just not enough.

Riri Williams as Ironheart is great when she is actually given any screen time, which is not nearly often enough. As a matter of fact, I really wanted more screen time for all the characters except for Shuri. Maybe it's the anti-vaxxer thing or the way she's sidestepping that controversy, but I feel like the actress and character work better as a side character and not the focus. I'd have rather seen Lupita Nyong'o as Black Panther, even though that would probably make no sense, but that also may be because she is unbelievably gorgeous and I am a pig. I'm not super excited for new Panther movies with Shuri as the lead, but if it keeps Mbuku in the frame, I'll take it.

Martin Freeman's character felt like he was only there because 1) he was in the first one, and 2) they needed some reason to have Val in this one as a linkage to Thunderbolts. He's essentially a fugitive traitor now, probably an exile in Wakanda forever (TITLE DROP, BOOM!)

An hour too long, or 6 hours too short, is probably the best take. It was a Disney+ series over compressed.

--Dave

It had the same problem Eternals did - trying to tell too many characters stories in too little time. Both would have worked better as series, if these were the stories they wanted to tell.

I think this worked fine as a film; it just needed a tighter edit.

The plot is almost exactly the same as the previous film.

So it plainly didn't need to be a TV show.

I can't remember the last time I fell asleep during a movie. This was it. Actually, now I do remember, it was Eternals. Wakanda just tried to do too much, and it was just too much effort to enjoy.