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It's out! Anyone playing? I can't because the game crashes on startup. Seems like a common problem. #BuyingNewGamesIn2015

I'm trying to play. It bluescreens my PC after 15-30 mins.

#AlmostWishIhadaPS4

I'd like to, but the reality of my situation dictates that I wait.  MGSIV was probably my favorite console game of the previous generation.

It's a bummer, but I can wait for the technical kinks to be worked out.

There's a beta patch on Steam for Phenom II processors, which solved the crashing for me. The game's off to a cracking start!

I think I have a different issue, that's possibly not MSGV's fault, since Minecraft is also bluescreening me :-(

That aside though, I have managed about an hour of play, and have got past the very cut scene heavy and nearly interaction-free intro section. So I'm being teased with some actual game play possibilities... if I could get my PC to actually work for long enough!

I GOT A PUPPY! :heart:

Therefore, this is the game of the year.

Do you get the puppy as part of the story or is it hidden? Still on the first open world mission, didn't have time for more yesterday. Also couldn't find the horse poop button, which is disappointing to say the least.

So far, I'm impressed by how realistically difficult stealth is, and how easily you die once caught out. The AI seems pretty good too, I neglected to kill a guard and he ran all the way to the big base to alert the people there.  

After I did my first side ops mission (translator) and was waiting for the helicopter, the little guy was running around at the pick up site. I tranqd and ballooned it, no idea if there is a more humane way to get it.

It's an incredible game. I'm playing on PS4.

When you deploy to a mission take a minute to look around your immediate landing site. There are usually several plants to harvest.

Near I think the 3rd and 4th mission deployments you will hear radio comms chatter about playing with the wildlife. This means the (tiny, cute) puppy is nearby.

Don't bother looking for him if you haven't visited your mother base yet.

This is a really good game and a great swan song for Kojima.

Sad that the shitfuckers at Konami get to keep his engine I imagine because wow people could do great stuff with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re_VNgZ6DMc

Once you get the medical platform, you should definitely head over there right away. Turns out one of the doors there opens and leads you to a big DAFUQ scene. Which I guess might be hinting at something plot related.

That makes Mad Max also game of the year....

I heard both games are dangerously similar to Far Cry 3.




Also Fallout 4 game of the year for the same reason.

I also got the puppy. Dog of the year!

29 hours in an I'm at 21% completion. This game is enormous! A huge part of it is playing a mercenary company management sim, but it's well done and there's always new stuff to discover.

I gave in and did a clean install of Windows 10 today. And it worked! I can play this now! Hurrah! Managed to play for a couple of hours without a bluescreen, and reminded myself how bad I am at stealth games. I was getting super pissed off with how dark it was at night and then I discovered that I had NVG's all along.

I recommend researching a sneaking suit ASAP. Makes stealth so much better. Also, D-Dog. He's super useful.

Well, once you learn how to use Quiet it breaks the game. I'll have to try something else my next play through, because this is outrageous.

Well, I take it back, it's still really crashy. It's just not taking the entire OS with it when it goes now.

Combined with the annoying console style checkpoint save system it means I've not yet managed to clear the first village. Well, I have, about 3 times, just not quite enough to trigger the next save point  :angryfist:

What's all this stuff about Microtrans I've heard about? Intrusive? P2W? Or minor and easily ignorable? Is there a shitload of DLC in the pipe, or is it pretty much a complete game with no substantial DLC likely? Most reviews simply fellate the game, but I want to know if it's something worth picking up now or later.

It's got a freemium model for building multiplayer bases, but the servers are still too fucked to tell how it impacts the gameplay. The really shitty part is that the mp bases cost tens of dollars each and there's no alternative way to get them.

So it's settled down now and is actually playable, yay. I'm totally not going to be winning any awards for total stealthiness.

Also, is Hideo Kojima gay? Serious question, because the main characters and story are absolutely dripping with homoerotic over(under?)tones, and although I've not got Quiet yet the things I've seen about the character on the internet just make me think she's a beard.

Played this for about 6 hours or so.  2% complete  :awesome_for_real:

Man is it pretty.  We have indeed crossed over uncanny valley.  This game has better graphics than real life.

Seems fun, too, but I wonder if I will end up wishing it was more narrative heavy like its predecessors. 

Really? Wow, I find the story terrible and uninteresting. It's just so, soooo badly told. But I've always thought that about the MGS games. I've never understood why Kojima gets such props for storytelling. It's always come across as ridiculous, needlessly complicated and ponderously told to my mind.

It should be well documented by now that I have poor taste in a lot of things, and that I am quite able to suspend all disbelief and otherwise ignore gaping plot holes, bad story telling, etc.  I shut my brain off and asked to be entertained.  I have always loved Kojima's crazy bullshit.

I don't really understand this game but I've never played the series before. Its like you go around putting parachutes on guys after you stun them and they flew away and join your army or something? Also what's up with the cardboard boxes? I think I'm playing the game wrong when I just run around and shoot all the guys and then achieve the objectives

Big Boss is Mercenary Jesus and he's Rapturing the worthy ones to Outer Heaven.

Target crowd: Teens.

http://kotaku.com/why-quiet-wears-that-skimpy-outfit-in-metal-gear-solid-1729329735


I'm not going to write any more in case of spoilers. I'll just say that the examination is FUCKING STUPID and the article points, with video, out that somehow Quiet still does a lot of really NSFW shit, including bending over to show off her T&A, if you sit with Quiet in your helicopter for a little while despite her deeply tragic reasons for exposing all her skin. And it points out that a character in MGS III had something like the same problem and somehow HE didn't need to wear a bikini.

So after finding it out I'm sure that you will be deeply ashamed of all your comments on Quiet.

My reaction is more, "It's a game from Japan, what do you expect?"

So if she's naked, she can beat Usain Bolt?  :why_so_serious:

(http://memecrunch.com/meme/4XOT8/metal-gear/image.png?w=500&c=1)

Is that referring to the Metal Gear in Big Boss's pants or the game itself?

Memes are hard these days.

I assumed the one in his pants.

His snake is solid.

This game is fantastic, by the way.  Only just passed Chapter 1, and I think I am at 5% completion.

He has a pants in his pants?

I freaked out because I thought the end of Chapter 1 was the end of the game. Breathed a sigh of relief when the Chapter 2 teaser played after the credits although from what I've read the story sort of peters out in the last 10 or so episodes which is a shame. Really enjoying this game though, it's so much fun to mess with the enemy AI, especially in Side Ops where you're not graded based on your performance.

The way the enemy adapt to you is quite fun. I've done all of chapter 1 at night, with lots of tranq pistol/sniper rifle headshots, and the enemy now have loads of NVGs, flashlights and helmets. Gonna have to up my game!

Tempted to buy this, since everyone I know has raved about it. However, $75 is a bit steep; might just wait for the Christmas sale for it to be a bit more reasonable.

In the same boat myself.  I think Konami tends to be a bit inconsistent with the sales, though, unless I'm remembering incorrectly.

Not sure what goes on with all those websites, but you can get a Steam key on a few very reliable (as in totally reliable) and apparently legal alternative websites for 50$

I got it from cdkeys.com for £28. It was a steam key taken from an Nvidia card promotion I think.

I bought this... and then realized how out of the loop I was.

So I fired up Ground Zeroes first.. and then realized how further out of the loop I was..


And now thinking of playing Peace Walker first.


Keifer Snake in Ground Zeroes seemed to talk too much btw. I heard he became the strong silent type again in MGS5.

Even fans of the series tend to suggest watching a video of Peace Walker's story bits rather than actually playing it.

Well, since I have it, I figured I'd play it. I have the compilation on PS3, but never even broke the shrink wrap. This is a good enough excuse to do it.

Peace Walker is not very good.

It has some fun ideas and I enjoyed it, but all of the good parts are then brought back and done better in MGS5.

As someone who's not very invested in the MGS story I didn't care for the Prologue very much.   The whole time I kept thinking hey this is kinda like what happened in Wolfenstein!  Also, I have no idea why I had to name myself and do a character creation and then it reverted me back to default.   I assume that's series joke or that it's used for multiplayer?

Anyways, once I got into the main game it got much better.  Not very far yet but seems like there are some cool mechanics in the game.  Looting 80's music is pretty great.  Screw those skull guys though.

Picked this up on the weekend. Never played a MGS game before. That prologue left me very very confused.

That said, pretty amazing game. I suck at it, but its amazing. I'm worried that all my C results in missions are going to hurt my ability to progress later. Can I just grind areas to make up for the lost resources as needed?
Had one extraction mission I kept getting 90% through before getting in trouble and getting swarmed. After a couple tries I got mad and switched from tranq to Sniping the outer guards and then turning their mortar around on to the base. After blowing up a dozen guards (its almost cheating that your marking still applies after restarting the mission) I sauntered in the front and mopped up. My rating wasn't very good on that one.

Of note: XBone has a glitch that is very  :uhrr:. Periodically, the game will go to load assets from the drive while you are in the middle of something. Makes the game stutter for 3-5 seconds, during which you lose control. So Snake just keeps doing whatever you last input - usually resulting in crawling out from behind cover in to the middle of a searchlight. Doesn't happen too often, but hopefully gets fixed.

I also ended up getting it. Prologue was very 'eh, wtf?'. Flaming whale, while awesome looking.. wtf?

Got better once in the actual game, though I was quickly reminded why I dislike checkpoint based save games. Fuck that shit. Give me an actual save system; I don't care about score. I suck at the game (as I do all shooter based games), but there's some fun to be had.. although I'll probably end up cheating to add some resources/flowers instead of farming shit, because there's no way I'm doing that. Still, stealthing in, dropping guards with a tranq pistol, hauling them off to a safe-ish spot to balloon them to base (or death) is amusing.

Load times are a serious peeve, though.. and, ironically, not in the game itself. Everytime I want to quit it takes about 40 seconds to get back to the main menu. Takes me almost a minute and a half to get from launching the game to being able to play.. in-game it's almost seamless or very brief load times.

My biggest problem with the checkpoint save system is knowing whether or not I'm currently saved. I basically have to call in a chopper every time I want to leave the game, just to make sure it saves whatever base management stuff I did after the last mission.

Pro tip: you can ride fultoned cargo containers back to base for free.

But yeah, the save system is a bit bad. Especially on long missions, sometimes it saves sometimes it doesn't.

It's funny to see just how bifurcated the opinions on MGS V seem to be. On one side you have what seems to be the fans of the franchise who obessively follow the gospel of Kojima and who - for the most part - seem to be deeply disaapointed by the game. Especially the supposed lack of a coherent story and meaningful closure. On the other hand you have the people who didn't like previous MGS titles because of Kojima's writing and presentation style that for the most part seem to like it since it's objectively one of the best open world sandboxes yet.

It's especially funny since - narratively - MGS V is probably the open world game that handles story presentation best. Granted the bar is not very high but given Kojima's tendency to meander and prattle on and on about the minutiae of whatever technical or historical topic he's currently enamored with - usually with the grace and sublety of a nerd that thinks his audience consists of barely literate monkeys - MGS V presents the fragmented lore of the MGS universe and the story of V relatively well. Relatively well for an open world game at least.

The whole debate is interesting from several points of view.

The whole discussion about Quiet and how she is presented both as a character and character model for example. A discussion that largely is about the fact that Quiet is blatantly presented as wank material for a certain part of MGS's audience and that is strangely forgetful about the fact that Kojima has always been a dirty fucking perv.

Each MGS game has at least one giant 'Kojima has a real big problem with women' moment. The whole arc of the screaming beauties in 4 for example is basically one big insight into how Kojima sees women. How the emotionality of women basically drives them nuts and makes them unattractive and how they are usually nagging shrews. He literally turns them into shrieking cybernetic harpies that only turn back into beautiful and submissive women once they have been saved by a man. Which then gives the player the opportunity to make lewd pictures of them before he shoots them in the face and they die.

Each game has at least one scene about or allusion to rape and sexual violence. Meryl in MGS 1 basically hides one of the important game items in her vagina, ('women have more ways to hide things than men') after telling you that Liquid's men did in fact do unspeakable things to her and you find her again by scanning the asses of Liquid's goons because you can somehow recognize her because of her butt. Also she's apparently the only female on Shadow Moses or this wouldn't work. You can make your protagonist hide in a locker and wank to pictures of female Kojima Productions employees or Japanese Idols in at least two games. Also the big overbearing mother figure blatantly named "Boss" basically had to die first for Naked Snake to be able to have sex with 'Eva' in MGS 3 and even then she only fucks him to be able to betray him after. That is not exactly suble sub text.

Let's make no mistake Kojima has a huge and deeply concerning complex when it comes to women. Somehow though, probably the least problematic part of Kojima's character design for Quiet gets turned into this big deal while past transgressions are usually handwaved away as if Kojima is some sort of old but lovable scamp or as if it is somehow accepted fact that the Japanese in general are just huge pervs. He named her 'Quiet' and she's basically treated as an animal for most of the game and once she stops being exactly that  He also lights her on fire during the tutorial and then she gets thrown out of a window. The most violent 'death' of any of the goons in the prologue that you or Ishmael are directly responsible for. Yet nobody seemed to have picked up on that while people only seem to complain about the fact that she constantly pushes her ass into view.

The whole discussion about MGS's story and game mechanics is also interesting because it is strangely ignorant about the state of open world games in general. Most of the things people passionately discuss about MGS V's supposed failings are failings of large open world or sand box type games in general. Of which MGS V is probably the best. The fact that most content in open world games is just there as filler, to either artificially prolong the time people play the game or to justify the huge develoment budget or to make the world seem less empty than it actually is. How it is hard to present a story or narrative in a game where you can't really control the actions or the path the player takes. That the games feel strangely empty and repetitive after a certain number of hours played. How most of the actual story is told to you via audio tapes or virtual diaries. How tedious travelling becomes once you've opened up the map and need to revisit previous locations

I get that it's a huge departure for a game series that is usually chock full of narrative exposition and infodumps, which constantly takes control away from the player and highjacks his/her attention to push paragraphs upon paragraphs of text walls into your face and that frequently gets criticized for its huge text heavy cut scenes and codec conversations. The failings of MGS V in that area are failings of the whole genre of open world games though. It's a bit strange to see the vitriol with which many people discuss MGS V's story and narrative presentation when it's both very much restrained for a Kojima game and in the context of open world games presented rather well. Especially since those failings don't seem to bother people quite as much in other open world sandbox tpye games like GTA or the Far Cry series.

The most interesting thing about MGS V and the aspect most fans are in reality angry about even though they might not realize it is the way the story concludes. Which is pretty clever in how Kojima always plays with player expectations and the fact that uses game mechanics and tropes so ingrained in our consciousness to screw with them.


It's no surprise that fans get royally pissed off by that.

I want the game to end when Solid Snake comes for you and you die as the boss of boss battle. But I'm pretty sure it won't. I haven't finished the game yet so don't fucking tell me either.

I played one Metal Gear Solid game--MGS 2 Sons of Liberty. Seemed ok to me, but the content never mattered all that much, I mostly just like stealth games.

I kind of hope this one is the same if I get it--I really just want a good open-world stealther.

I really like MGS5 and it's only because of how it plays. I have tried exactly one of the previous games, excluding the NES game. That game I only played for about 15 minutes - where the guards had huge ! signs and the box was mandatory for the level. Hated it.

MGS5 is completely different and I love it for the gameplay systems. I don't care about how insane the story is. I just recognize it's textbook Japanese insanity, nod, and carry on.

I played MGS4 on the PS3, and that was all. The story was irrelevant, it played well.

I feel the same about MGSV, although I don't think it's the awesome sandbox that everyone else seems to think. It's slightly open-worldy, but that's about it. The Quiet character annoys me with it's gratuitousness, but gaming (and most entertainment) is full of gratuitous female sexualisation. Doesn't mean I'm likely to stop calling developers out on it.

Had my first D result on a mission last night. I think I'm just trying too hard not to kill anyone. I either do things so methodically that the first guys I knocked out are waking up before the base is half cleared, or I rush things and end up with negative points because of all the alerts I set off.

I may have to switch to just being a sniper and getting my hero points from tying balloons to sheep.

I do get a kick out of the way the game adapts though - had my first tranq dart go ping off of the shiny new helmet a guard started wearing last night.

I just balloon everyone and fire them later. I play a pretty slow game, though. I sneak in close, pick them off soldier by soldier.. haul them somewhere I can safely balloon them and repeat. More than a few prisoners have been killed because I couldn't get to them in time (which is the only negative for me.. as I don't care about score, though I've been mainly getting A's and B's with the rare C or S thrown in). I'm starting to see helmets, flash lights and supposedly cameras (I've yet to see them, but the warning icon is there on the map for them). I'm not that far in yet, though.. I've only done 8 of the first 10 main missions and a bunch of side missions.

That's exactly how I've been playing it Ceryse. Until I got Quiet with a tranq rifle, and a silenced tranq sniper rifle for me.... now I play it slightly differently  :awesome_for_real:

If I'm going to leave someone without ballooning them I usually kick them to wake them up and then CQC kill them.  I'm only on Mission 8 as well though so still time to figure out how to do things better.  Just got the sneak suit so I'm hoping that will help a bit.

Now you spend 90% of your time IDing the ZZZing bodies to see whether or not you want to extract them.

Nah, I fulton everyone and sack 'em later  :awesome_for_real:

(http://i.imgur.com/OCTgqkX.jpg)

Got half way through. Quality seemed to drop off suddenly. Got bored.

So is this really good? I ask because the Games for Gold thing on XBox 360 this month is MGS V and I wondered if it's worth pissing away the $10 for one month of Live Gold to get this.

That's not MGS V, that's MGS V: Ground Zeroes which is a prequel.

Oh so never mind then.

I need more Fuel, lots and lots of Fuel.   Not sure if there's a good way to farm it but if there is I might need to start doing it.  It just seems way rarer than the other materials and they just require a ton of it to upgrade the base.

I've mainly just being doing tons of side ops so at some point I really should get back to the main game  :grin:

I ran out of fuel frequently early on. Combat Deployments seem to be the easiest way to build it up. Initially I was ignoring missions that rewarded a few thousand in resources in favour of ones that gave a couple hundred k in cash. Then I realized that you can sell those resources for 100 per unit if you get broke.

That's a good tip, I haven't sold anything yet but I have loads of extra bio stuff.   Normally I take Fuel combat deployments #1 then go for common metal after that as that seems to be other other one you need tons of.

Also I can't figure out what the 'real time' deployments are good for, they seem to pay off less than than the normal deployments and they eat up a team for 2 days.  I guess if you know you aren't going to be playing at all you might do it?  I tried a few and it just didn't seem worth it.

Not really sure what the idea behind them is, but yea, I use them when I know I won't be in front of the console for a few days, since they complete in real time as opposed to played time.

So I finally pushed through some of the story missions and made it up to mission 30.  Man, mission 29... that was a good one.  Much different than the rest of the game.

I think that's part of what's really great about this game.  You constantly get new stuff to play with that changes up the core game play just enough to keep it fresh and fun.

There was a part later in the game  that I found really annoying.  Mostly because it was obscure, actually annoying to do, and not fun at all.  I'm not sure what it added to the game or what they intended for you to get out of it.

Finished the game. Great experience overall, but the second act of the game was really lackluster. And the ending was just a wet fart. Also, I was surprised how meaningless all the development shit was. Could've condensed it to maybe 10 upgrades.

Playing this way later than everyone else. One thing that really annoys me about its design that I see in other games like it is that there is no way to tell the difference between a fall that you can do, a fall that will hurt but it's fine and a fall that will instakill you. Essentially the instakill really means "the level designer doesn't want you to go there", which usually makes me say "Then don't goddamn put a railing there that looks just like the railing I hung off and dropped from and successfully got away from guards using".