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There's apparently no thread for this.

So, yeah, it's happening. i09 has a blurb about it.

The.. summary sounds... terrible.

http://io9.com/terminator-genisys-insane-plot-reveal-is-a-total-nightm-1652315938


Official Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62E4FJTwSuc

Someone needs to tell Skynet you can't keep fucking with causality like that.

Maybe that'll be the end of this season's Dr. Who.

Fuck me, that sounds idiotic.

Believe it or not, that isn't a typo in the title. It's a biting commentary on the general decline of the U.S. education system and a gullible entertainment consumer base.

Oh, wait, Rule of Cool? Nevermind.

This sounds fucking awesome.

Features one of the Doctors, going to be complete trash.

Now Game of Thrones will have 2 Sarah Connors.

 :uhrr:

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 :drillf:  They definitely need to get Linda Hamilton in a bit role somewhere just to complete the set.

I'm guessing this must be a reboot rather than an attempt to make a prequel to the existing films?

Terminator ended at T2 for me.  I have no faith in this reboot or whatever it is.

This is a really out of date April fools joke, right?  Right?!

What's so crazy about it? Terminator series has always been about events being changed by time travelling.

I even liked T3, was a solid chase movie, good special effects, the time travel stuff was a bit complicated but made sense once you figured it out, so overall wasn't idiotic. Yes the angsty mid 20s John Conner character & love interest were annoying, but so was the John Conner kid character in T2.

The problem with T4 was that the story was all over the place. It went from tightly wound chase movies with well timed ups and downs + time travel spice to much more a much more generic action plot.

T5 could be very good if they get back to the original formula, as long as they don't dumb it down too much for foreign audiences which is unfortunately what most big budget action movies do these days.

The Terminator Games Part 1: Mockingfans

Terminator 1 and 2 (the "good" Terminator movies; I think people generally agree that 3 and Salvation were crap, and Sarah Connor Chronicles was good but it was kind of its own separate thing) were both about the exact opposite of that -- they were causality loops.  Everything happened the way it had always happened.  John Connor and Skynet both only existed in the first place because they sent their own daddies back in time.  At no point did we see anything actually change as a result of time travel; no events that we saw come to pass ended up getting changed.

Having the new movie undo the continuity of the earlier movies is garbage.  Yes, I know Star Trek did it -- if Star Trek jumped off a bridge would you jump off a bridge too, Terminator?  Would you?

Well, yes. :awesome_for_real:

Someone gave me a RoboCop t-shirt which is the only reason I remember there was a reboot of that.

Sarah Connor Chronicles was quite good, apart from the abrupt ending.

They did change it. The events of each movie altered the circumstances of judgement day, but in the end skynet & judgement day were inevitable due to ongoing computer development, they happened anyway decades before any time travelling began in T1. The tech left in the 80s from T1 sped it up, the attack on the corporation in T2 slowed it down, but was picked up by the US military after leading up to judgement day in T3.  The daddy part was the thing that never made full sense, who would have been John Connor's father if Kyle Reese was never sent back in time? I guess it didn't matter what random dirtbag knocked up Sarah Connor even though they made a big deal about it.

So conceivably if the events of T1 to T4 have altered the plans of future skynet from its original plan at the beginning of T1, to make an assassination attempt on Sarah Connor as a child instead of as a 20 something year old for whatever reason. So I think the plot can still hold up, whether or not its actually a good film depends on plenty of other things.

What is the purpose of misspelling genesis?

It's edgy. Ironically.  :why_so_serious:

Sys due to computers and Geni due to Christina Aguilera.

Creation mythology + computers?

Its actually misspelling the blend of Geriatric and Syphilis, which is the result of having the Inseminator still playing a Terminator.

Geni in a bottle.

 :awesome_for_real:

Well, I had little interest in this, but if Christina Aguilera is involved, colour me interested!

I would like to see this movie die before coming to it's diabolical fruition...


Therefore I ask,

Will Phil Collins being providing the soundtrack?  :grin:

Unlikely. He had a stroke a few years ago and lost control of his hands. He can't play the drums anymore.

Peter Gabriel's chance to step back into the limelight!

About damn time, I suppose we can go there as well.

Not that it is important but Phil didn't have a stroke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Collins#Health_problems).

OH cool! I heard it was a stroke but I'm glad its not.

He's also out of retirement and performing at a charidee concert in Miami in December. He'll always be out there. He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. And he absolutely will not stop making music, ever, until you are dead.

I know the cool answer is to say something cynical about consumers and such, but the reason is probably copyright / trademark. (As well as search engines) That's generally why a lot of companies these days come up with unique spellings.

Because "sys" has a computery/tech vibe to it I figured.

I like what you did there.

Official Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62E4FJTwSuc

That actually looks like it might be good.

It look decent though I can't help but feel like trying to remake Terminator #1 again... well, we've seen this before.

And #2, not sure about #3.

It looks like they took the best parts of 1 and 2 and rebooted the franchise with it. I hope the future aspects are confined to the first 10 minutes. I don't expect it to have anything like the pacing of the first film. I expected it, but Sarah Connor being *introduced* as a saavy Eddie Furlong? It's like they surgically excised all the establishment and character development. Where's the room for character development?

So everyone in the past already expects the Terminators. OK. But they never resolved the premise of the third film -- Judgment Day *has* to happen for anyone to be going back to alter timelines. I don't know.  :uhrr:

That said, I would go see it.

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Odd.  That's a good trailer and looks like a movie I could enjoy except...

Except it's a remake/reboot.  It's Hollywood doing what they do best and New Trek all in a oner.

I'm just...

Tired ?

Mother of Dragons was good tho.

I don't think it's supposed to be a remake or a reboot, i'm pretty sure it's a continuation of the series.  It's just stealing the good bits from the old movies.

Doesn't it basically overwrite the first two movies, the only decent ones?  Or am I missing something?  Alternate timeline?  Are they pulling a Star Trek (2009)?

That is exactly what they re doing.

I'm conflicted.  Reason tells me that this should suck, but that trailer looks like something I want to watch.  Help.

Well yes, overwriting the previous stuff is basically what you get with time travel movies.

More like Sarah Conner Chronicles, basically they're taking the multiple timelines/fucked causality stuff seriously, and Reese is winding up in a timeline that is all scrambled up because time-traveling Terminators (and alternate timeline versions of himself) have been messing with it. Everything in the other Terminator movies has already happened, *and* been undone, *and* been redone. Timey-wimey wibbly-wobbly...stuff, diagrams with cocktail straws, etc.

I'm actually a lot more interested in it now than I was when it was just a reboot/remake.

--Dave

Which is kind of ironic given the message of the last couple of Terminator movies was "it didn't matter what we were trying to do, it was going to happen anyway."

I honestly don't care even remotely enough about the Terminator series to care either way.  If the movie is decent I'll watch it when it comes to Netflix.

OK, I'll be cautiously optimistic then. If the whole point is dealing with a screwed up timeline, then I'm on board.

Marketing.

Which of course went completely against the message of the second movie: "The future has not been written. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

Omfg gimme

The under title "Genisys" sounds horrible in my opinion.

Maybe it's a poor attempt at trying to be clever by compounding Gen(eration) I(from Ipod/Ipad ect. and a play on GenX and GenY) Sys(tem).  Hence it could be Generation I System, for which there could be further interpretation. Like it's a hint at how the current Generation I being more integrated into computer system than previous gen X and Y (cyborgization).. or Gen I System is related to the new terminator in some way and so on.. But probably not. More likely they are just trying to be cool..

The I-minator!

Apple, call me for rights to the name.

I-minator: "It's the smoothest terminator to date - death experience has never come in such a fast, elegant and effortless package before!"

(I see potential for removing all the hipsters and Apple freaks through a clever trap with this product - I endorse it)

Name sucks, but based on that trailer I actually want to see this. That's a big step up over say Salvation, whose trailer pretty much guaranteed I wouldn't watch it (I still haven't).

Good.  It was utter shite.

Makes up for the absolutely terrible Entertainment Weekly pictorial.

Who's Matt Smith's character?

I love what I am seeing but the name is just awful. Casting Daenerys is a good call.

I have absolutely no confidence in the terminator franchise regardless what the trailers look like.

As long as it's a good popcorn flick I'm fine with it.

Look, it's this simple.  In that trailer, Arnie said "I'll be back" and jumped out of a fucking helicopter so he could hit a fucking truck at terminal velocity and explode it.

Fucking Be There.

It was another helicopter he dove in to, shattering its blades.  That's even cooler.

Both of those things.

The trailer was hella fun. It wasn't emo teens of #3 nor the entire string of WTF that was 4. We've all just jumped into another timestream of the multiverse where someone picked up where Cameron left off at the end of #2.

I'm so the fuck there.

THIS trailer was ok, but a lightsaber with a crossguard isn't...? You people confuse me sometimes.

Terminator is and always has been cheesy sci-fi action movies with lots of running jokes and New Science As The Plot Requires (okay, the first one was more towards Horror than the later ones, but it was still cheesy and on-purpose funny). This looks like a cheesy sci-fi action movie with new entries into the running jokes and new tachyon particle concentrators.  Of course we're happy.

Star Wars, on the other hand, was High Fantasy in Space Opera drag, and has been so all over the place in terms of tone and style that everyone is just trying to be the first ones to call The Reason that this next one will suck. Oh, and light-saber crossguards are fucking goofy, and not in a funny way.

--Dave

EDIT: Which is why most people hated Salvation: It was way off the others in tone, there were no jokes and the "science" was too painfully 'realistic'. I liked it well enough for what it was, but I think Christian Bale can make even a POS like Equilibrium worth watching.

Alan Taylor is a solid director and the IP is muddled but cool. I'll see this.

I am consistent in that I was fine with the lightsaber.  Also Colbert's explanation.

What? No.

Good lord the problem becomes evident.

This looked like Baysplosion garbage that action movies have gone to.  A bus flipping and the pre-teen in it with no seat belt surviving? That's consistent with the tone and action of T1 and T2?

Fucking no.

Yeah, what Merusk said. If there's one thing T1 and T2 were not, it was Baysplosion shit. Granted, James Cameron is a terrible writer but this looks like it took one of the few good stories he did and fucked with it because... reasons. Also, James Cameron is an insanely good technical director and this is not.

I don't know that it will suck but the trailer made me think more Oz the Great and Powerful than a solid re-imagining/continuation of Terminator.

T1 was fairly restrained (by its budget, mainly), but T2 had lots of ridiculous explosions and stuff that was in there solely because it looked cool.  I'm pretty sure it even had a bus flipping.

T2 had the silliness of the T1000 driving a truck through a bridge without breaking the axles and continuing to pursue John in the aquaducts. It did not have John Connor flipping in a bus only to be miraculously unharmed and (presumably) run off seconds later. These are different things.  

Robots get to do rule of cool because they're robots and 'more durable.' When people do them you get ultracheese.

End Chase w/ commentary (worth watching) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnawA_hEJTk
Aquaduct chase: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifkh12R8Wts

Yeah, more than you may know. I read in some production memoirs by Cameron that it's canon that SkyNet felt bad about launching all those nukes in a panic when they tried to turn him off and spent a lot of time afterwards regretting it.

Er....

Those Terminators didn't look like regret.

Well he did just come online.  He's an adolescent AI, really.  He's just a bit socially inept and has awkward ways of expressing is love towards others.

I'm sure he'll grow out of it eventually.

Not hard to grow out of the regret.  He had the right of it the first time.

What can change the nature of a man psychotic AI.

This might clear things up a little.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe2Agl3bJAc

That made a lot more sense than the original new trailer.

So sad.  I feel like this franchise is that ex you dated on and off since high school. 

Crazy awesome in high school.  Week in Mexico with their parents money type awesome.  When you ran into them after college, you had more crazy fun - but you realize that was your last hurrah before growing the heck up.  You walk away with closure and (thank god) no incurable STDs.  Then you run into them in your early thirties and they've heavy on meth.  You try not to remember them like that... and you're glad to see they've got a job and have put themselves back together when you run into them years later.  However, everything they talk about is just crazy conspiracy stuff.  It isn't the same person anymore.  You do the necessary and then move on. 

Now you're in your forties and they're at your door.  You peek through the hole and see a nice outfit that just doesn't fit right - a lot of plastic surgery that didn't quite do the job - and a suitcase with duct tape and a tag where they changed their name to replace an E with an I and an I with a Y.

Keep the lights off.  Don't answer the door.  That chapter is over.

Huh, this movie might end up sucking but there is nothing on that trailer that gives me a bad impression.

New trailer's out.  It reveals what I would think of as a pretty big plot development in the movie, so fair warning if you don't want spoilers.  I honestly regret watching it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGSxss7gWak

 :uhrr:

Desire to see movie greatly diminished.  They should've kept that stupidity under wraps.

Taking a more positive outlook: it basically looks like all the story tomfoolery is so they can remake Terminator 2 and that's the best one.

But who am I kidding, it's going to be garbage.

While that IS a pretty big spoiler, it seems like something that was going to happen in the first 30 mins to set it up properly. That's a lot of info to have left out that marketing guys were never going to do, because they're morons who don't understand a good reveal AND it would have been leaked the moment the first screener was out there.

I have little faith in anyone's ability to make a decent sci-fi blockbuster these days so I was going to avoid it anyway.

I think I'll just go rewatch the Sarah Connor Chronicles instead.

This is so stupid it's going to be awesome.

That's a great idea.  I think I missed the last few episodes, so I need to catch up.

The reveal of that spoiler is pretty big, but it's the ONLY thing that's made me the slightest bit interested in this. It's a pretty big rewrite of the story. Without it, I was genuinely bored with the other trailers.

Still not sure it's going to be good, but it'll at least be DIFFERENT than I expected.

This

Most movies that are so stupid they're awesome have a certain element of simplicity that makes them work.  It's easy to wreck a good dumb movie by trying too hard, and I could be wrong, but that's the sense I'm getting from this one now. 

I am entirely prepared to be entirely wrong  :awesome_for_real:

I dunno, looks to me like they're embracing what happens when time travel is used as a weapon. Could be fun.

My opinion has always been that you either need to go all in with a time travel plot or avoid it completely. Time travel plots are lame when they are used to fill out inconvenient areas of plot.

Bloodworth it: Auralnauts Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe2Agl3bJAc)

"As soon as you hit the ground you're gonna want to find some pants. I know you can do it, because you already did it."

Seems like that was an inevitable, almost necessary, beat for them to hit if they were going anywhere near the direction they seemed to be. And yeah, it will probably happen in the first 15 minutes.

--Dave

No, it's a pretty damn big spoiler that features heavily in the newest trailer.

This would be why I stop watching trailers after I have already decided I am going to see something. Still haven't seen any of the trailers for Avengers 2 (I've seen them at 10x speed on TV).

--Dave

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So, the ending to Game of Thrones:

The Iron Throne is a T-1000! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r3cr8txAeE) And so is Sarah! Terminators, Terminators everywhere. It's getting to be like that Oglaf strip:

(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/shapeshifters_8460.jpg)

Of course the only innovation in the series left was to

I thought they did that in Sarah Connor chronicles so it's not totally new ground.

Finally saw this: I liked it. 'Big Spoiler' took a little more than 30 minutes, but still came fairly early. They did about as good a job of winding it all together as was possible, although there was one bit that was just too damned 'Hollywood Ending'.


--Dave

Due to a lot of ticket sales in China, there may be a sequel to this film.

Friggin China.

I enjoyed this film but the series would have worked much better if they'd just made Terminator and Terminator II and stopped there.

Or, perhaps, if they'd made a third good Terminator movie.  Judgment Day was a fine idea with horrible execution. 

I watched this on the plane on the way over from the states and, much to my shock, thoroughly enjoyed it. Decent acting, great soundtrack, the story was alright and the action and special effects were pretty damn good. And it had a decent sense of humour and dealt with the fact that Arnie is a geriatric now (there was several comments about his age) I would recommend it if you haven't seen it. Much better sequel than t3 and t4 was, and t2 was pretty ridiculous at times.

I've heard that a few places. Unfortunately the biggest problem this one had to deal with is that the last 3 movies thoroughly fucked the franchise. Time to put it to bed.

Yeah, I'd be almost happy with the franchise as a trilogy of T1, T2 and Genysis. Too bad there's so much utter bullshit in between (that's not to say Genysis was a great film but it felt like the originals and was willing to poke fun at itself enough that I overlooked the utterly ridiculous paradoxes the whole thing throws up).

I watched it recently and if you go in to it ignoring three and four, it works just fine. They go so crazy with the time stuff being re-written that you can pretty much just assume that this movie overwrites the previous two anyways.

It was far more entertaining than I expected it to be.

Overseas seems to have done enough to get it a chance at another film in the series.  However, I'm not sold that continuing is the right idea.  To me, the question is: Can they make a better film continuing the current story with all the baggage, or would they be better served with an entire reboot.  They have so much bad baggage mixed in, I think an entire reboot would have a better chance to knock it out of the park.  I vote for a total reboot that doesn't try to be another Ahrnolt story... make the terminator that comes back be something other than a huge white guy with muscles - maybe a scary little girl, maybe have the tech burst out of the skin and be a transforming bot, maybe something else...

Yes, I can see no problems with the idea of 'Terminator: Transformers!'

Though there was a comic way back that ran with the idea that the life force of Skynet came from Robocop plugging into the system. What could go wrong with that idea...  :why_so_serious:

So you think that a shapechanging Terminator can never work?  I'll remember that next time I watch T2. 

I was referencing the hot babe Decepticon in Transformers 2 which is just one reason that movie sucked. And that what you were describing sounds exactly like a Micheal Bay film...

This was highly entertaining! Much more so than I was expecting. However, clearly Matt Smith was in it because things went a bit timey-wimey.

I just saw this and thought it was a crap vehicle for a few aging Arnie jokes. Don't bother, it's not worth it.

I liked every other Terminator movie and the TV series, just not this.

Even the one with Christian Bayle?

Because, for fucks sake, even I couldn't handle that one. If this is worse then how the hell did it get greenlit.

I caught this on on-demand. It's not a bad movie. I'd put it above the prior two sequels (I know that's not a high bar to clear!) I think it helped that I expected it to be utter shit so was pleasantly surprised when my reaction was "Not bad". I'd put it as third overall in the franchise and like that it at least played with the ideas of time travel and such more than previous movies had. This one also felt a bit like it had taken some inspiration from the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Honestly, this movies biggest problem was the casting. Replace the guy who played Kyle and perhaps get someone other than Emilia Clarke for Sarah and this would have been a much better movie.

I thought the Woman who played Sarah did a fine job. I agree that they could have had a turnip playing the role of Kyle and gotten more emotion and acting out of it.

The fact that she looks pretty young, coupled with the fact that they gave her Arnold as a father figure in this movie made the badass Sarah Connor kind of feel like bratty teenager at a few points. I didn't really love her character for that reason. The actress did a fine job, but it just didn't feel like Sarah Connor to me, it felt like another character altogether.  And I guess, it's an alternate timeline now so it IS another character technically, but I still feel like it didn't work real well.

Only saying that because Arnie acted his ass off, which is funny for someone who kinda need subtitles if your not used to his accent.

The movie was bad only because the plot sucked and the actors were barely trying. Dude bro Kyle goes all "man must save woman!!" on "I'm a independent woman bratty teenager" Sarah, while "too old for this shit and the only reason why this movie is watchable" Arnie. I just want the Russian stripper they hired to get James Cameron to say this shlock is as good as T2.

How did this movie do in the box office? Because if was decent we can probably see YET ANOTHER movie starring this cast. It was basically a reboot, and they certainly left things open for more movies (I guess when don't you leave things open for a new movie when your characters can time travel arbitrarily).

IIRC, Domestic was about $90 million (a bust), world wide added another $350 million (a success).  You'll likely get a film in 2017 and maybe another in late 2018 if the 2017 one is a greater success because the rights revert to Cameron in 2019.  If you believe the hype, James Cameron liked Genisys' approach and may get involved with the next film even though the rights have not reverted to him, yet. 

Caught this on Netflix last night. I agree the weakest part were the actors. I didn't like Jon, Kyle or Sara, they all brought the film down. It's a bad thing when Arnold is the best actor of the group. (Also, Matt Smith, you were wasted here.)

What you guys didn't mention was all of the beats, references and scene pastiche from the first two movies (and some from the third.)  I had a hell of a fun time recognizing a lot of the T1 & T2 scenes being done "with a twist' which are probably what saved the movie from sucking terribly.

John crawling from the terminator, getting the weapon and destroying it as it reaches for him? Hi end of T1.
Terminator being beat to hell by Jon, crawling with one arm and his face exposed? Hi T2.
Terminator faking being someone the protagonist loves? Hi T2.
Terminator impaling guy and using phone while he's hanging there? Hi T2.
J.K. Simmons practically channeling the hapless psychiatrist character from the series.
The mountain arsenal was a T3 nod.
Liquid Terminator had several T2 homages, including the way he walked.
Old T-800 and his learning chip, getting more human as time goes on.

I know there were more but that's all I remember right now. Not as terrible as it looked to be, worth a watch if you haven't seen it.