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Title: Birdman
Post by: schild on June 13, 2014, 01:00:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bqh-UCY6Zg

"I want to see a movie starring Michael Keaton" is one of those nearly impossible to say sentences. I still haven't said it out loud. Probably won't.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Maven on June 13, 2014, 01:33:40 AM
Trailer sold me on the film, especially the manic ending with Edward Norton.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: shiznitz on June 13, 2014, 08:33:48 AM
This movie will be Keaton's Travolta Pulp Fiction moment.

I actually have no idea if that is true.  I just wanted to write it.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Phildo on June 13, 2014, 01:24:31 PM
I want to see the fictional Birdman movie from this film.

Wait, no.  I want a live-action Harvey Birdman, Attorney At Law movie.  It can still be starring Michael Keaton, that's fine.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Maven on June 13, 2014, 04:42:26 PM
This movie will be Keaton's Travolta Pulp Fiction moment.

I actually have no idea if that is true.  I just wanted to write it.

No harm, either it is and you look like a genius, or it isn't and nobody would care anyway. Win-Win. :P

It is nice to see him back doing something after an appearance in Robocop. What positive things I can say about the role is that I thought he did a good job selling the character.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 13, 2014, 06:59:44 PM
I have always liked Keaton but I don't think he was ever given his proper due.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: UnSub on June 20, 2014, 08:51:23 PM
I have always liked Keaton but I don't think he was ever given his proper due.

He made some weird career choices.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 21, 2014, 11:14:30 AM
I'll agree it could be self inflicted and funny enough the same thing happened with Nicolsen.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Evildrider on July 31, 2014, 02:21:56 PM
New trailer here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJfLoE6hanc)

Looks pretty crazy.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 31, 2014, 02:43:08 PM
There is some info floating around saying the movie is cut together to look like one continuous shot.  I'm not sure if/how that will work but it sounds awesome.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Nevermore on July 31, 2014, 03:44:11 PM
What a movie cut to look like one continuous shot might look like. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_%28film%29)


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: pxib on July 31, 2014, 03:50:57 PM
Alternately, it might look like this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timecode_(film))


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: lamaros on August 01, 2014, 01:25:18 AM
Are we playing this game now? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Ark


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: schild on August 01, 2014, 12:11:34 PM
It's worth noting that all 3 of those movies are fucking awful.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: pxib on August 01, 2014, 09:02:09 PM
That was my point. I like Rope, but it's like watching a play rather than seeing a movie. Russian Ark is impressive in a strange rambling way, but nobody is going to call it a great film. Timecode is pure, cascading shit.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Maven on October 19, 2014, 01:56:59 PM
At first I thought "Only two theaters? WTF?", then I saw it was Limited Release. I'm going to see this tonight, expecting good things.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Ruvaldt on October 27, 2014, 02:05:45 PM
Saw this during the weekend and it was awesome.

It is indeed cut as if it is one long, unbroken scene that lasts about 110 minutes.  The style of the film adds to the sense that a man's life is breaking down in front of you in a kind of frantic, unstoppable trainwreck.  Iñárritu's directing is fabulous, but Lubezki's photography is the real showstopper.    Keaton and Ed Norton are great.  It's also very funny.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: grebo on November 07, 2014, 07:26:37 AM
Seen this twice now.  It is quite good.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: 01101010 on November 07, 2014, 07:49:39 AM
Finally out in Pittsburgh near me. I may have to throw some money at it.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: pxib on January 03, 2015, 01:13:19 PM
This movie will be Keaton's Travolta Pulp Fiction moment.
Nope.

Everybody is fantastic in this movie, which tends to mean it's well directed rather than that the actors are all mysteriously more talented. It's also not mainstream enough to get anybody excited about it. I hesitate even to recommend it, and I loved the thing. Feels like one of those shitty plays about what it's like to BE PART OF THE WORLD OF THE THEATER that actors and directors and playwrites are always making and producing and wind up in community theater where they're watched by college students and old people who don't know any better.

It's a really solid shitty play about that, mind you... with some positively transcendental staging. There's just so much powerless angst all over everything that I kept losing my ability to sympathize with anyone.

Full of sound and fury, signifying what it's like to BE PART OF THE WORLD OF THE THEATER.

Meh.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: shiznitz on January 06, 2015, 01:09:02 PM
No Channing all over your Tatum, then?


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: pxib on January 06, 2015, 02:54:15 PM
Zach all over my Galifianakis.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Margalis on January 10, 2015, 06:03:38 PM
Keaton doesn't really need a Travolta moment. Unlike Travolta he's obviously a good actor. Maybe it will put his career into a higher gear and in that way it's similar, but the thing about PF and Travolta is that it made people think Travolta was a good actor until he quickly disabused people of that notion.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Samwise on January 10, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
Travolta wasn't even that good in Pulp Fiction; it was a good role for his lack of acting because his character was on drugs and he never had to carry any scenes on his own.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Evildrider on January 10, 2015, 09:42:52 PM
Battlefield Earth is a cinematic masterpiece!


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: kaid on January 12, 2015, 02:34:06 PM
I am not a huge travolta fan but from paris with love is pretty god damn funny he kills it in that movie.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: UnSub on January 15, 2015, 05:45:51 AM
Travolta is great in roles where he gets to ham it up or play a meathead. That's about it.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Maven on January 15, 2015, 07:23:17 AM
What about when he's hamming it up at a gym? (Spoilered for size, something wrong with resizing)



Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: pxib on January 15, 2015, 01:05:28 PM
NOMINATED FOR NINE ACADEMY AWARDS

Best Picture
Best Actor: Michael Keaton
Best Director: Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu
Best Supporting Actor: Edward Norton
Best Supporting Actress: Emma Stone
Best Original Screenplay
Best Cinematography
Best Sound Mixing
Best Sound Editing


My mind boggles. Has this year been that bad?


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: MahrinSkel on January 15, 2015, 01:11:31 PM
Hollywood loves looking up their own ass and even more that of THE WORLD OF THE THEATER, any major movie that focuses on a showbiz setting is pretty much a lock for nominations. "The Producers" (the original) won for screenplay and was nominated for best supporting actor.

--Dave


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Ruvaldt on January 15, 2015, 07:10:07 PM
I watched this and thought it was ridiculing the people who put the theater on a pedestal.  Honestly, it portrays theater people in a pretty negative light.

Edward Norton's character is a dick.  The theater reviewer is a terrible person.  I can't think of any of the theater actors as being represented in a way that glorifies the theater at all and the whole process drives Keaton's character to do something pretty awful, which I won't spoil.  I'm not sure where you all are getting that from.  Did you see it, MahrinSkel or are you just parroting pxib's post?

It's absolutely not about the world of the theater, as two of you are putting it.  It's about an actor whose ego is damaged beyond repair and is trying to reclaim some of his dignity/career by doing that he thinks other people expect him to do.  The problem is that it isn't really what he wants to do.  In fact, he's lost track of who he actually is and what he really wants when he's not playing someone else, and that haunts him.

Best Actor and Director are absolutely deserved.  And if you didn't think the sound mix, sound editing and cinematography were awesome, I just don't know what movie you were watching.  Edward Norton was pretty great in it as well.  I think nominating Emma Stone is a stretch, but that's about it.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: MahrinSkel on January 15, 2015, 08:21:20 PM
The Producers was not exactly complimentary to theater, nor was Entourage (6 Emmy awards, 18 nominations) very nice to Hollywood.

Everybody like seeing a movie that's about them (or people like them). Especially movie people.

--Dave


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Ruvaldt on January 15, 2015, 09:07:38 PM
One movie and one TV show capturing awards isn't exactly a trend, and The Producers only won for best screenplay, which...well, which it deserved.

In the past 50 years of the Academy Awards there have been three best picture winners that were in some way about hollywood or the theater.  I see much more of a correlation between war movies winning academy awards in that time (8+, depending upon your opinion on a few that are on the fence it could be a lot higher) and crime dramas (8).

Also, if this movie wins, again, it isn't about the theater or even acting.  Making light of the nominations because lolhollywoodnavelgazing is ridiculous because...it's all hollywood navel gazing regardless of the plot or the subject merely by being an awards show.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Merusk on January 16, 2015, 07:47:54 AM
Dammit, Ruvaldt, why won't you just let them hate on celebrities & cool kids!


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Mattemeo on January 22, 2015, 05:19:25 PM
I'm sorry, but Birdman was incredible and deserves every Oscar nod. And yes, Ruvaldt hits the nail on the head, though I'd also say it works as a treatise on what we percieve as high and low art and what it means to be caught between those two worlds.

Inarritu will take the Director gong and if there's any justice, Keaton'll walk with the Best Actor.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Samwise on January 31, 2015, 11:14:03 AM
Just saw this last night, holy christ what a good movie.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Phildo on February 01, 2015, 11:07:30 AM
Watched it with my housemates on Friday, and while I enjoyed the film, they were mostly confused or bored for the majority of the film.  This may actually be a point it its' favor towards Best Picture.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Samwise on February 01, 2015, 11:52:34 AM
I don't understand how you could be bored by a movie that's that relentless.  It felt to me like it was about half its actual length.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Furiously on May 05, 2015, 07:48:54 PM
I watched it with the wife tonight.  I found myself distracted constantly by the amazing camerawork. It was amazing and claustrophobic and Ed Norton got robbed.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: NowhereMan on May 08, 2015, 06:15:40 AM
I watched this on a flight a few days ago. I kind of regret not seeing it in the cinema not because it needs the big screen but I kind of wish I'd validated it with a ticket purchase. Really, really good film but one I would kind of hesitate to recommend simply due to the artsiness of it.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Merusk on May 08, 2015, 09:39:21 AM
I'll never hesitate to recommend artsy films as it's a good way to know if I'll get along with people.  When an ex-girlfriend & her mom turned off Barton Fink because it 'wasn't funny' and did nothing but deride Naked Lunch because "it was weird" I knew it was over.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Ruvaldt on May 08, 2015, 12:24:42 PM
I think Birdman is the kind of artsy movie that even people who don't usually like artsy movies can enjoy.  It's so frantic, fun to look at, and well acted that it can be enjoyed even without appreciating the more esoteric moments.


Title: Re: Birdman
Post by: Phildo on May 08, 2015, 12:28:08 PM
You'd think that, but one of my housemates said it was boring and the other just found it to be slightly confusing.