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Looks like he died today in a car accident.  Irony and all aside, I feel bad his family and friends.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/30/showbiz/actor-paul-walker-dies/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

My wife is very sad.

Gonna give this the same comment I gave it on Facebook, which was: 2Fast2Furious

To which I followed up in IM with Brofellos: 3Vin5Diesel

That's too bad. He did a lot of charity work and was a pretty good dude from all accounts.

Everyone liked the guy; from the small circles I've known who are acquainted with him.  Definitely not your typical hollywood d-bag.  He was more like a surf bum adrenalin junkie really.  Recall that special he did on Discovery during shark week (where they captured great whites; I knew that boat crew).    Yah, he did that shit for fun.

His death has been compared to Heath Ledger, in that he was young and making his mark in Hollywood still.  Although i doubt he's going to have a final role like Ledger's Joker to look back at.

He's not even going to have a role as good as Heath did in Knight's Tale.

Dude didn't really have "acting chops."

Ah yes, the Porsche Carrera GT, aka the Doctor Killer. 

The car is barely recognizable as a car.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/1/1385886478929/Paul-Walker-car-crash-sce-008.jpg)

There's no way that happened without somebody going 100 mph or getting hit by a semi.

Or hellfire missile.

About a year ago a kid from a local high school turned a corner going too fast.  He was showing off.  The weather was fine, and there was no visibility issues at all.  He lost control and crashed.  On his way to hitting a wall, he killed two members of a familly that were riding their bikes along the street.

http://claycord.com/2012/04/07/update-crash-kills-father-daughter-on-bicycles-on-treat-boulevard-near-oak-grove/ (http://claycord.com/2012/04/07/update-crash-kills-father-daughter-on-bicycles-on-treat-boulevard-near-oak-grove/)
http://claycord.com/2012/04/08/photos-double-fatal-collision-suspect-calls-himself-race-fox-on-social-media/ (http://claycord.com/2012/04/08/photos-double-fatal-collision-suspect-calls-himself-race-fox-on-social-media/)

The kid called himself "Race Fox" on the internet.  If you went to his Facebook page, the first like on his publicly available page was "Fast & Furious".  It also showed the kid was a total ass that was desparate to be cool.  He was trying to be cool like the people in those movies...

Paul Walker died due to reckless driving.  It was the type of reckless driving shown in those idiotic Fast & Furious movies.  His death is not the first, but merely one in a long list of deaths, injuries and property damage that have been caused by people 'driving like F&F'.  In many ways, Walker seemed like a stand-up person and amazing philanthropist.  However, he made money making movies that were substantial influences in so many horrible things.  He lived by his sword, and he died by it. 

Super fast cars can easily get away from even the best of drivers.  Let's also not rule out the possibility of mechanical failure or split second indecision (neither will likely ever be known).

That is why it is illegal to drive super fast.The obligatory exploration of theoretical possibilities?  Yes, there is a possibility that the gas pedal was stuck, the driver had a heart attack, etc... sure.  A possibility.  A remote, unreasonably unlikely possibility.  However, the earliest reports of evidence at the scene do not point in this direction.  There are no eye witnesses to the accident.  However, the vehicle was traveling fast enough that it hit several objects before disintegrating when it hit a tree.  They left 5 or 6 minutes before the accident, but were still within close earshot of the event (pointing at them driving back and forth in the vicintiy of the event).  He stated he was going to be'd be 'back in 5 minutes'.  Why drive for 5 minutes?  What can you do in a five minute trip?  If you go to the store, you'll be in the store for at least five minutes.  Earwitnesses heard reving engines immediately prior to the crash.  The police have clearly stated that speed was a factor, but have yet to reveal the results of their investigation into how fast the vehicle was going (the preliminary assessment is usually available internally within minutes of the investigators making an initiial viewing of the scene).  Up and down the road near the crash site were burned rubber and doughnut marks as though someone smoked their tires in figure 8 patterns.  Either this was evidence of their activities, or it was a spot that people went to to conduct these types of activities.  Either is damning information.

It's one thing to get your kicks by going 100+ on a deserted stretch of highway. It's totally irresponsible to go flying around neighborhoods at 60+ on local streets. Not even professional racecar drivers would do that.

I've got it!  We'll just outlaw the super fast cars and then the problem will be solved!

It's not the cars that kill people, it's the person pushing the accelerator.

You sound like you're joking, but we're getting to a point where the technology is available to prevent vehicles from driving above the speed limit.  I'm in favor of inconveniencing people in order to save lives - although if properly done, it could be part of a larger system that alleviates traffic, etc...

Not even a one percent chance of happening ever.

The image might be seen as offensive/inappropriate by some so in spoilers but it sums up my opinion on this:

edit:changed image source so it might work better now

404 borked.  :ye_gods:

But maybe former professional drivers.  Apparently, the owner of the car is a former pro driver and is suspected to have been in the car.  No one knows which of the two was driving yet.

Did you know that autonomous cars are legal (for certain purposes) in DC, Nevada, Florida and California (with a dozen or so states considering legalizing them for testing purposes)?  Goggle has thrown an incredible amount of resources into pursuing the legalization of automated driving so that it can corner the market in the underlying technology. 

Once the automated cars become commonplace, and insurance rates for non-automated vehicles skyrocket to ridiculous proportions, the speed limits will be strictly enforced and the cars will communicate to alleviate traffic.

It is just a matter of time - just like it is only a matter of time before robots deliver mail, packages, etc...

So... we are derailing the obits now?

While his death was ironic considering his fame I think it is pretty low class to turn it into an excuse to crusade against his movies and/or fast cards jgsugden. You sound like one of those Senators that rails against video games everytime some nutcase shoots up a high school.

The dude was a decent guy from all I've heard and he leaves behind a daughter who is the same age as mine. He died while leaving a charity event for God's sake so stop with the attempt to sound all high and mighty about how he died.

I disagree. The guy made millions starring in movies glorifying exactly this type of driving.

Tricky one, right enough.

Question :  Do we feel that having that argument HERE is the best way to go ?

Really ?

Probably not. 

I blame GTA.

Male stupidity with vehicles predates video games.  :why_so_serious:

It is as appropriate place as any.

Yes. 

The circumstances of his death and the surrounding issues are an inherent part of "Paul Walker, Fast and Furious actor, dead".

Righto.

He also played the starting QB in Varsity Blues, so why don't we throw concussion risks in here while we're at it.

Don't forget diving for a drug lord's sunken plane and medieval time travel!

Yeah that time travel shit is completely unsafe!

Safety definitely not guaranteed.

I'm sorry: Do some of you need an explanation of how his movie and his accident are connected?  Seriously?

If you live long enough, you're likely to lose someone to this type of shit, or watch someone you care about destroy someone's life.  Maybe it'll be an asshole showing off.  Maybe it'll be a drunk behind the wheel.  Maybe someone that had to text or send a selfie before they got home.  When that happens, you'll have to figure out how you feel about it.  Personally, I'm pissed.  I've been pissed a long, long time.  I'll continue being pissed until I die. 

Good luck with that.

It's becoming fairly obvious this isn't about Paul Walker.

Indeed.

 :facepalm:

You have a talent for shitting up threads. 

If people want to discuss car safety and its relation to Paul Walker's end, please make another thread for it.  In Politics, preferably.

Fine.  I'm done.

What the fuck just happened here?   :awesome_for_real:

I have a feeling they're going to re-write F&F7 to politik against illegal street racing.  And word is the actors are pretty much emotionally incapable of filming that movie anymore w/o it.  Things are gonna change because of this accident; guaranteed.

They might as well not do the movie. It would be like Die Hard 6: The battle for more Gun Control.

Thrilling meltdown. Seriously. I gave it an 8.5. Could have received full points for last post cursing randomly interspersed with violent unintelligible outbursts.

They have moved away from street racing as a focus for several films now. It is ancillary to the recent plots which have been heist and action movies with cool cars involved.  It's one of the reasons that the last two have been so successful imo.

I have yet to see any movies in the series and don't plan on that changing. 

They are actually pretty entertaining, especially the last two.

Pretty much they are all decent, just skip the 2nd one.

You think I'm going to trust your opinion on the matter?   :why_so_serious:

Any movie with Vin Diesel in it is worth seeing.

I hadn't watched any of them until I heard the early buzz around 6. So, I decided to finally sit down and watch them. They're entertaining, if perhaps vacuous. The 6th one was perfectly over the top in the same way that I love old Shaw Brothers flicks and old John Woo flicks.

But that's the one with the best name!!!!

It is fairly cool that he's a D and D guy. 

I disagree with what you said.

I disagree with your disagreement!

^n

Number 7?  Somehow I've number 2,3,4,5, and 6.   :ye_gods:

I'd argue the 5th is the best of the series.

In related news... Lucas Black signed on for 7, 8 and 9.....

I really kind of liked the first one so on Furiously's recommendation (she taught me how to dance, you know), I'll give 5 a go and ignore the rest.  I srsly did not realise how many were made!  Lucas Black!  That's the little boy from American Gothic!  HE'S STILL FUCKING ADORABLE!  And I feel very very old.  :(

This whole event was so sad.  And that Amanda Bull woman is a despicable person.

FF7: Aeris died in Street Racing

Oh good, I wasn't the only one to read it that way.

Diesel time... bitches. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4efYooXbvo)

For those interested, the Coroner's Report is available (with no surprises to be be found it seems):

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/03/showbiz/paul-walker-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/03/showbiz/paul-walker-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

Couldn't help yourself, eh ?

 :dead_horse:

Was front page headline news here. Not that that says anything good about here.

It was the front page on CNN when I saw it.

And, btw ... Ginaz - that, here? 

GUYS IT'S FINE FAST AND FURIOUS 7 STILL ON.

He had already filmed the 'dramatic' scenes and they are getting his brothers to fill in on the unfinished bits.