Title: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 03, 2013, 03:54:59 AM 01 - Basileus is a Dinosaur from our Imagination...
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/829607/CK2/LATIN/01/emprah.png) The Latin Empire or Latin Empire of Constantinople (original Latin name: Imperium Romaniae, "Empire of Romania") is the name given by historians to the feudal Crusader state founded by the leaders of the Fourth Crusade on lands captured from the Byzantine Empire. It was established after the capture of Constantinople in 1204 and lasted until 1261. The Latin Empire was intended to supplant as titular successor to the Roman Empire in the east, with a Western Roman Catholic emperor enthroned in place of the Eastern Orthodox Roman emperors. Baldwin IX, Count of Flanders, was crowned the first Latin emperor as Baldwin I on 16 May 1204. - Wikipedia Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 03, 2013, 11:02:02 PM 2 - Opportunity Knocks
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 03, 2013, 11:04:03 PM 3. Do Nothing, Ready for Anything
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 03, 2013, 11:04:26 PM 4. The Bulgar Assault
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 03, 2013, 11:05:09 PM 5. Momentary Peace
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 03, 2013, 11:05:36 PM 6. Curse of the Fourth
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 03, 2013, 11:06:39 PM 7."I didn't lose, t'was my Brother." - Henri I
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: cironian on May 04, 2013, 01:35:24 AM Yeah, if you have a stronger neighbor with claims on your stuff, then you really need to press the advantage when they get into civil war. Civil wars are your neighbors way of asking whether you'd like some free land.
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 04, 2013, 09:38:14 AM 8. The Great Revival
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 04, 2013, 10:34:33 PM 9. This is our Crusade
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 05, 2013, 08:21:48 AM 10. Brothers in Arms
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 05, 2013, 08:50:14 PM 11. Heroes of Antioch
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Strazos on May 06, 2013, 11:03:06 AM Seriously, where do they keep coming up with these crazy reinforcements?
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 06, 2013, 02:46:17 PM Seriously, where do they keep coming up with these crazy reinforcements? The bigger your empire, the more 'manpower reserves' you can draw from. And in this case, the Ayyubids controls the whole Egypt and lots more in middle east. 10k is around 8 counties worth roughly. And it regenerates as it depletes, and since it took us months to take out a stack of them, it's not a stretch to say that they have a near unlimited amount of pool to draw from. However, if a liege keep drawing lots and lots of manpower - he'll eventually deplete the vassal's loyalty - and there lies the problem. The lower the loyalty, the less tax & levy he'll pay the liege and the more likely he'll revolt / plot against the liege. Bribes would start to become a necessity in form of titles / sending the chancellor to sweet mouth them. If that fails too, and he forms a faction within your empire, then you need a Spy to Scheme and convince these guys that it is a BAD idea to do so. It's your last chance basically to tell them to drop it. If not, you have to face them in a civil war. It could end in a military victory - or a dagger on his back through assassination. Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 06, 2013, 02:49:23 PM 12. Arise, Antioch!
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 06, 2013, 06:50:52 PM 13. We bang, OK?
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 06, 2013, 06:51:56 PM 14. The Jagged Alliance
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 06, 2013, 07:33:12 PM 15. The Lost Opportunity
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 07, 2013, 06:38:46 PM 16. The Empty Hands (1240-1243)
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 07, 2013, 06:40:36 PM 17. What were you doing, Shepard? (1243-1248)
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 08, 2013, 12:30:01 PM 18. Shepard and Sons 1248-1251
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 09, 2013, 12:16:58 AM 19. Hawke of Flanders (1252-1255)
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 09, 2013, 07:37:54 PM 20. An Unexpected Gift (1255-1259)
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 09, 2013, 07:39:58 PM 21. End of Line (1259-1261)
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 09, 2013, 07:41:34 PM 22. Hawke the Apostate (1261-1263)
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 12, 2013, 06:26:09 PM 23. The Latin Rome 1263-1265
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 12, 2013, 10:37:07 PM 24. Clash of Empires 1265-1269
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 13, 2013, 02:03:54 AM 25. Loyalty and Reward 1269-1271
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 14, 2013, 12:32:01 AM 26. Chaos in the Levantine 1271-1273
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Teleku on May 14, 2013, 03:40:35 PM I finally got into Crusader Kings 2 after dancing around the fact for awhile. I was sick and stayed at home for the day, and decided maybe I'd pass the time by playing a game a bit. I spent almost 13 hours straight building my Croatian dynasty that somehow came into control of Hungary and then the entire Byzantine empire.
In other news, I love this Radicalthon. Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 14, 2013, 06:36:20 PM 27. The Times of Turmoil 1273-1276
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 14, 2013, 06:38:35 PM 28. The Eternal Foe 1276-1282
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: satael on May 14, 2013, 10:44:16 PM Aargh, May 28th can't come too soon :argh:
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 14, 2013, 11:04:40 PM ToG is probably a good attempt at fleshing out the Pagans. I'm definitely tempted, but will not pick it up at full price.
After playing Latin Empire, I need a long break. Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 14, 2013, 11:06:51 PM 29. Think like a General, Fight like a Spartan 1281-1282
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 15, 2013, 08:14:52 PM 30. Ascension 1283-1286
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Mortriden on May 16, 2013, 08:15:03 AM I love these rk47. These make me want to play these games more than any review. Thanks for this.
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 16, 2013, 07:48:49 PM 31. One Empire 1286
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Teleku on May 17, 2013, 07:32:26 AM Yah go out for the night, have a little to much to drink, then BAM! Next thing you know, you wake up as a Frank'ish prince in one of their prisions.
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: cironian on May 17, 2013, 10:07:10 AM I'm still confused how the Pope ended up as your vassal in the first place. As I understand it, since the antipope was not of your dynasty, claiming the Papacy should have made him independent. Mod or did I miss something?
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 17, 2013, 01:07:35 PM I'm still confused how the Pope ended up as your vassal in the first place. As I understand it, since the antipope was not of your dynasty, claiming the Papacy should have made him independent. Mod or did I miss something? An Emperor can make the Pope his vassal since the Papacy is only a King-level title. This is the most recent change that Paradox made. Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: cironian on May 17, 2013, 01:31:53 PM Oh, so it's automatic now when you install an antipope as an emperor? Good to know. I thought it was like regular titles, where if you press a king level claim for someone then he won't be your vassal unless he already was a vassal king or a dynasty member.
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 17, 2013, 11:17:04 PM 32. For the Imperium!
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 18, 2013, 05:25:12 AM 33. Best Byzantine Ever 1287-1289
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 20, 2013, 02:58:32 AM 34. Kebab Rising 1290-1291
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 21, 2013, 02:12:31 AM 35. X-Com: Byzantine Defense
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 21, 2013, 06:17:43 PM 36. In the name of God
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 22, 2013, 07:39:16 PM 37. Vassals of the Empire
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: cironian on May 22, 2013, 10:00:28 PM Where to next? Venice. Those filthy, greedy commoners keep expanding and need to be brought back under a proper ruler, as god intended. Also, empire must fight republic. Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Teleku on May 23, 2013, 02:11:27 PM Your around the same point I am now with my Byzantine game. Though keep in mind, I started it as a Croatian game, then managed to inherent Hungary due to murderous trickery, then while my heir was off being king of Hungary before I died as king of Croatia, they managed to marry their heir off to the queen of the byzantine's. So now my Dynasty has taken hold of the empire and converted it all to Catholic.
Kind of bogged down right now though. I cant really declare war on any large hunks of land, only one county or two from the various states surrounding me, so its a long tedious war slog to capture single county by county....... Not sure if I will continue, since I've managed to take my small dynasty and achieve glory. I'm pretty much able to put down any revolt easily now and exert all the influence I want. Guess if I just start declaring holy war after holy war against the muslims that might make it more difficult. I'd love to do the recreate Roman empire event, but again, I'd have to conquer all of Italy and the Holy Roman Empire parts 1 county per war at a time.... Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 23, 2013, 04:55:47 PM 38. Onward, to Sicily!
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: satael on May 23, 2013, 11:29:18 PM Your around the same point I am now with my Byzantine game. Though keep in mind, I started it as a Croatian game, then managed to inherent Hungary due to murderous trickery, then while my heir was off being king of Hungary before I died as king of Croatia, they managed to marry their heir off to the queen of the byzantine's. So now my Dynasty has taken hold of the empire and converted it all to Catholic. Kind of bogged down right now though. I cant really declare war on any large hunks of land, only one county or two from the various states surrounding me, so its a long tedious war slog to capture single county by county....... Not sure if I will continue, since I've managed to take my small dynasty and achieve glory. I'm pretty much able to put down any revolt easily now and exert all the influence I want. Guess if I just start declaring holy war after holy war against the muslims that might make it more difficult. I'd love to do the recreate Roman empire event, but again, I'd have to conquer all of Italy and the Holy Roman Empire parts 1 county per war at a time.... it's all fine and dandy while you have a good ruler (and an heir) but a few key deaths and you can suddenly be playing a bed-ridden imbecile with most of the nobility revolting against you for one reason or the other (which is what makes this game great) :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 23, 2013, 11:45:41 PM 39.There can be no peace
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Goreschach on May 24, 2013, 01:21:13 AM Can you just steamroll all that crap south of the Holy Roman Empire? All those colors clash terribly.
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 24, 2013, 04:50:06 AM Can you just steamroll all that crap south of the Holy Roman Empire? All those colors clash terribly. Yeah I was thinking of that, but the pay off is pretty poor, just beautiful map painting. Hmmm. Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 27, 2013, 07:35:43 PM 40. Trust is for the Weak
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 27, 2013, 07:36:16 PM 41. Whatever, we bang, Ok?
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 29, 2013, 07:34:19 PM 42. The Emperor's Manhood
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Reg on May 29, 2013, 08:29:10 PM Marry a 40 year old. They never get pregnant.
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 29, 2013, 08:47:56 PM 43. The Princes of the Empire
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 29, 2013, 08:49:37 PM 44. Emperor's Will Made Manifest
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 30, 2013, 02:48:52 AM 45. An Era has passed
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on May 30, 2013, 08:01:02 PM 46. Kaidan - King of Kings
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Teleku on June 07, 2013, 03:18:35 AM Heh, will be interesting to see where you stand at the end of all this. And if anybody creates a tool to convert CK2 saves into EU4 games. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on June 07, 2013, 08:25:15 AM 47. Return to the Holy Land
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on June 07, 2013, 08:25:43 AM 48. I will take everything
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on June 07, 2013, 08:26:20 AM 49. Game Over
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Strazos on June 08, 2013, 02:30:58 AM Why are Pisa and Venice allowed to hang around?
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on June 08, 2013, 05:18:40 AM Why are Pisa and Venice allowed to hang around? The reason is due to casus belli. I really have no desire to mobilize my army for anything less than a kingdom. The gains are too small and it's not even worth going for. And once you get that county you're bound by a 5 year truce. Fuck that. Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Tannhauser on June 08, 2013, 12:08:02 PM Nicely done sir!
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Reg on June 08, 2013, 12:47:03 PM Does breaking the truce annoy your vassals or just rulers outside your empire? Because when my guy is 70 years old he really doesn't give a crap what other Emperors might think. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on June 08, 2013, 04:50:05 PM It annoys everybody since they're all Christian in my game.
Yes when you're 60+ go for it. Not when you're just 40 and still have 10-20 more years. Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: Mortriden on June 12, 2013, 07:34:36 AM MOAR
Seriously, I could read your Radicalthon for this game every day. This thread is what got me to buy it. I am now trying to shepherd my 2yr old queen through a mess of plotting uncles and courtiers, rebellions, assaults from outside nations and sickness. Difficult times for the Kingdom of Denmark. Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: rk47 on June 12, 2013, 07:51:58 AM I think I'm pretty much done bro, there's barely anything else to do in this game that would interest me.
Crusader Kings II isn't a game where there's an end (well there's that 14th century end but meh) - you just set yourself a goal and gauge where you start and how you end. I think I pretty much accomplished everything I wanted in this playthrough. The Mongols will never threaten the West, the West is nearly united under one banner... and the Muslims are completely shattered. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/829607/CK2/LATIN/50/00.jpg) Thank you for reading. Title: Re: Past the Fourth Crusade - there lies Damnation and Redemption... Post by: satael on June 12, 2013, 09:03:10 AM It was a nice AAR and worth the read :awesome_for_real:
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