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Just downloaded this. Someone tell me it didn't suck. Please.

Seems pretty good so far.

I didn't think it sucked.  Yet.

The trailer I watched in front of a Youtube video for it sucked. The guy playing Hannibal looked like a goddamn vampire.

It's Le Chifre from Casino Royale with the creep factor upped by about five.

I enjoyed it and think it has potential if the writer sticks closely to the origin content and style.

You mean you don't want to turn it into a goofy buddy-cop comedy?

Based on the "scenes from the season" at the end of the first episode, I feel like this is gonna be one hell of a thing. The first episode was pretty good. The introduction of Eddie Izzard and Gillian Anderson should crank things up a bit.

I didn't hate this.

And

Eddie Izzard?  Put a flag in me, I'm sold.

Minor spoilerage which I picked up from some promos and interviews which I found interesting:

Mads Mikkelsen is pretty good as Hannibal IMHO. Him being a continental European guy is more in keeping with the origins established in the books as opposed to the upper class Englishman that is Anthony Hopkins. I've never much liked Brian Cox's version of Hannibal from Manhunter. Too young, not refined enough, brutish thug IMO as opposed to a refined gentleman like Hopkins or Mikkelsen.

Looks good. Serial killer TV porn is the new fad it seems (Criminal Minds, The Following and now this)

This is far more in line with Dexter than the other shows you mentioned. But more than serial killer porn, it's classy cannibal porn.

If they were smart, after each episode, they should post the recipes. 

Just sayin'.  Social media and all.

This show is very, very good and you should be watching it.

I see a lot of rewriting coming up... Lots of pre-conceived notions from the books and film version will not hold true to the TV version.

I really like this show.  Maybe not as much as Dexter but it's good.  Why do I like shows and films about serial killers and stuff so much?  I'm so fucking passive.  I mean like PSYCHOTICALLY passive.  Fucking aggressively passive!  My mind is an enigma wrapped in a conundrum shoved inside a nutcase.  Even to me.   :ye_gods:

This show is shaping up nicely. Mads Mikkelsen is delivering a marvelous interpretation of Hannibal Lector.

I'm enjoying it; though I found the decision to cut the fourth episode odd (grabbed it online after it aired abroad) just because it was about kids being taught to kill. Was fairly tame, honestly, which surprised me even more. I'm enjoying this depiction of Hannibal, but enjoying Will even more.

This is a really great show. It's been  decades since I read any of the books, but Will Graham in this seems to be a completely different person. Am I remembering this wrong?

Goodness, this initial episode is gripping.

I was not aware this was based off novel.  Totally going to check out the show tomorrow (and download the books!)

It is not based off of the novels, however, the writer guy said in an interview that he was remaining faithfull to the character styling and to the of the type of suspense used in the novels. Basically said he was a big fan of the books and was going to treat the source material with respect.

This show is extremely well done. I think Mads Mikkelson is leaps and bounds ahead of Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal. The one thing I dislike is the lab crew or whatever the hell they are. They really add nothing to the show that some generic lab guy couldn't add just as well. They're just distracting.

I think Mikkelson is a great as the Hannibal still in disguise (of a "normal" human being) while Hopkins was great as the real Hannibal (after years of incarceration and without the need to appear normal).

This hasn't been picked up for another season yet, but it's also not cancelled.  Who knows what's going to happen.

So far I've liked the show, it's pretty interesting.  I think it's going to become too procedural though, I mean are we going to have a new serial killer every couple episodes?   Also with how good Will Graham is supposed to be, they really can't stretch out him being oblivious to Hannibal for too long.

Super creepy last night!   :awesome_for_real:

I'm glad they didn't even show the killer until the very end because you would have known he was the one that did it by actor alone, it was a nice reveal.

NBC is ordering 13 more episodes, so it's getting a second season:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/30/hannibal-renewed-season-2-nbc_n_3203944.html

Good news if they can keep the story interesting and not turning it into a "case of the week"-show.

What the fuck.  After a whole season of unstopable awesome, it ends like that ?

What the almighty fuck.

I know.  I don't know where to go with that ending, either.  It left me woozy-headed. 

I thought the ending was bad ass. People are just upset because it wasn't what they wanted.

 I'm really looking forward to the first episode of the new season.  This show has done something really extraordinary, in my opinion.  It's left me without even a guess as to what's going to happen next.  I'm hoping for something bausome, for real.

No, No, that's really not it.

The plot is supposedly designed to span seven seasons split into two season story arcs. Next season should be Will getting out and getting Hannibal. One of the arcs is supposed to be The Red Dragon and another is supposed to focus on Hannibal's earlier adult life around the time involving the Gillian Anderson character, switching to psychology, becoming a more refined killer, etc.

I thought this season was really great, but I think it would have been better if they'd stuck to one or two killers. At the beginning it looked like they were going to have a whole killer of the week thing all season, but they switched and did a good bit of story development.

I didn't mind the ending.  We knew at some point there was going to be a confrontation, this sets up the next season perfectly I think.  it would be too easy if Will had the full trust of all his colleagues once he see's Hannibal for what he is.

This show was way better than I thought it was going to be.

Very enjoyable.

I thought the ending was well done.  The closing scene was highly evocative of the first time Clarissa Starling meets Hannibal in Silence of the Lambs, only in reverse obviously.  I assume that reference was not lost on this audience but I just wanted to point that out.

It brings no sense of tension to series two tho.  Will knows who he is and he has two people on the outside he trusts.

Episode 1, Series 2

Will Graham:  Lecter did it.
Jack and Totty :  Fair enough, let's go get him.


It's kinda lame.

That was always potentially the problem, how fast it would all resolve once Will works out it is Hannibal.

This way he is discredited and has to prove his sanity before he can even go about proving Hannibal is the killer.

It is going to be very difficult for Will to prove his sanity, they spent the entire season having every human being he is in contact with asking themselves what he might be capable of if he broke under stress. Even his two closest friends don't trust his sanity and question his actions.

The movie Red Dragon (and obviously the source material) have already established that Will Graham successfully convinces his colleagues.  The knowledge about the true Hannibal is realized in a completely different way in this TV series, though.  Season Two will not be as good if the writers spend many episodes on Will asserting he is not crazy.  The ending left me with no sense of how season two will proceed since the "canon" has already been radically altered.  I think the TV show had to do that to keep interest.

And it really, really did.  It was a great show and I have high hopes for season 2.

I just didn't expect them to be HERE at the end of 1.

I sort of agree with you, but it would have been difficult to draw it out much longer and the season end makes the most sense.  The other option would be to start season 2 of really hot with the reveal and some kind of chase.

I didn't want them to draw it out though.  I wanted him caught.

Though I understand not pushing so much into a single episode.  Lecter hasn't even maimed him yet.  That's going to be fun.  (Though they kind of already did the Will thing with the female FBI agent.  That was pretty much how it went down in the books.)

Are there any books that cover the period shown in season 1 or was that created from whole cloth?  If so, bravo writers.

It's part of the backstory to Red Dragon.

It is loosely, with heavy emphasis on loosely, tied to Red Dragon.

Okay, we're 6 episodes into season 2 and no one has commented on it yet. Anyone else still watching this?

The last two weeks have had some really interesting things going on with Will Graham.

Yes, I watch it.  Mostly for the dead art.   :awesome_for_real:  I like it, too.  It looks like next week's episode will be fun!

I tend to watch shows like this 2-3 in a row, so I'm letting it build a bit.

Glad to hear its still interesting, I definitely enjoyed it last year.

The only tv show I watch that isn't animated.  (I don't watch a lot of tv)

We don't get it yet mate.  I'll be watching when we do.

This show is just superb. I love every bit of it. I also feel a great misdirection happening.

The last two episodes, especially this last one, have left me dazed and confused.  I have no idea what's up but it's officially weird now.

I didn't think of that!  :)  Still, this last episode made me wonder if someone had slipped LSD into my orange juice.  I'm still not sure if I imagined the entire thing.

It is good. Not often that TV shows are hard to predict. I too am confused.

OK, that first episode was... intense.  Once again, they seem to be really deviating from the Harris Script, but Christ, it keeps you on the edge of the seat.

Well, there's also a third option, though it is pretty unlikely:

So it seems that I unfortunately guessed right,

Well, Friday's episode went in a direction I was not expecting. It looks like the season finale is going to be really good.

Best fucking show on TV - on so many levels.

An now it's been picked up by NBC for a third season....  :rock_hard:

Yeah, I'm not sure wtf is happening, either.  That's a good thing in a thriller, I think.  I absolutely LOVE the super surrealism and murder art in the show, too.  There should be a Museum of Conceptual Murder Art somewhere.  There isn't, is there?

I love anything where I can't easily predict the narrative.  Terrific.

Holy shit. That season finale.  :drill:

The finale really surprised me in a positive way. So much so that I wouldn't have been too disappointed with it even if Hannibal hadn't been picked for another season.  :awesome_for_real:

Season finale...  :-o


Left my gob well and truly smacked.


Brilliant.

So great.

I wish more people watched this.

Compared to the rest of the show I have some pretty big problems with what happened to Verger. Not that it happened, but how it happened.

It all looked like baseball to me.  Stupid Dodgers. 

I just watched it. Holy wow. I cannot believe this is a network TV show. Wow.

To people who haven't watched it yet or missed it, there's a last scene burried in the middle of the credits. Fuckers.

Binging Season 2 now.


The effort put into the murders is just the most incredible shit on TV.

The way the season finale played out might end up being a double edged sword.

We're catching up slowly over here, but what I've seen thus far (at the bee woman and DEAR GOD SHE'S HORRID) this is still the best shit around.

I love his suit.

I commented on how well he pulled that suit off also.

The show just has style in almost everything it does, which is a mirror of the character himself.

I don't normally gush, but I really, really, really do like this show.  The actors just knock it out the park every damn time.

Gonna be sad when it ends.

Ending wildly diverged from the books. Would have preferred Hannibal ended up...

You guys are going to love....

This show is spectacular.  I am not reading any spoilers.  Halfway through Season 2.

Mason Verger.  Dear Jesus, Mason Verger.

Last episode tonight.  Dying for it.

Agree and disagree.  That ending was the right move for this show.  Books be damned at this point.

The only reason I like the book ending is because it sets up a situation that made Hannibal (the character) super enjoyable.

Game of Thrones needs to diverge from the books this hard next season. Hannibal had no real reason to... yet.

Yeah, but the fun of Season 2 was Hannibal kinda was in a prison.  After the first half, everyone suspected him and watched him except his Prison Groupie.

And he still pulled off an 'escape'.

Part of the problem I have is that if they go down the book road now, we'll be pretty much retreading things with Hannibal once again killing by proxy from afar and then escaping through psychotic brilliance.

Hey ho, it's still awesome.

The level of gore clearly shown is beyond the pale. Boobs are the devil but using living people to grow mushrooms and bees is a-ok! That being said I am shocked at how well written and acted it is.

I love the murder art.

I heard somewhere they are working on 6 year arc so 4 more to go and lots of room for prison.

Finally finished this last night. I feel like it stumbled a couple of episodes, but was pretty awesome overall. The last two episodes were absolutely excellent and the Mason Verger scene at Will's house was the first time in a long time where I actually cringed at something I was watching.

I cannot believe this was a network television show. Very impressive.

So, the trailer for season 3 has been released.

http://youtu.be/9kN7fhWnhdM (http://youtu.be/9kN7fhWnhdM)


I don't know that I can wait until this summer.

Delicious

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Get a taste of Paris...
with Hannibal, on June 4th.

Oh I have missed this show.

 :heart:

Hmmmmm. I'm going to give it a few episodes to give them the chance to get a plot going but this was pretty disappointed. Other than the Eddy Izzard parts the episode was lacking everything that was great about the show before.

Also, lots of close up shots of Gillian Anderson are not working the way they intend. She's passed the attractive older woman phase and well into the looking like a grandma phase. Maybe it's because it's a reminder of my own relentless aging and mortality, but it's more disturbing to me than the murders and cannibalism. Which is a shame because I think she's actually a good actress.

I have to disagree on the Gillian Anderson opinion of yours. I am not sure about your age, but for me at 35, I would leave wife for her, and my wife solidly agrees that she would leave me for her as well. I have no idea how you could find her camera work as a, net positive, detractor for the show.

Patience.  You know you'll be rewarded.

Even in threads about TV shows I disagree with literally everything that angry.bob says.

A lot of my disappointment is probably due to the fact I thought that Will Smith was about a thousand times more interesting than Hannibal. DOn't get me wrong, Mads Mikkelsen is still the best Hannibal by far. It's just that the Hannibal character works best for me when it's not the focus of the show. Like spice. I don't want to eat food without it, but I sure don't want a plate with nothing else on it either. It changes the sublime into the vulgar.

Wiki Wiki Wild Wild West.

I think you meant Will Turner.

Gillian Anderson was adorable in X-Files.  Now she's just plain beautiful.  I never expected that amazing bone structure under all that adoreableness.  

I didn't know what to make of this episode.  I was confused when it ended.

I do. I do not find Will Smith interesting on any level except as a morbid curiosity. Damn him for apparently occupying so much of my brain.

I flat out disagree with Bob, as this episode was fully necessary to establish a general link to the books as well as showing where it would heavily deviate. More than half of it was lifted from Hannibal (the book), but key portions were changed that will affect the structure and overall narrative tone.

Also, much of this in the book was separate from - well, Clarice - so they had to balance that as well.

Anyway, still the best shit on cable TV.

I'm rather disappointed with the first two episodes of the second third season. Especially the second episode seemed like a trainwreck and the while I'll watch episode three it's only due to how good the first two seasons were.  :oh_i_see:

edit:forgot it's season 3 now and not season 2.

Annnnnd cancelled. 

For me the show was alright, but I stopped watching after season 1.

I watched the first half of Season 1 and decided it was best as a binge show - watching all of it back to back over several weeks.  I was waiting for it to end - I guess the bright side of an early cancellation is that I get to start watching it sooner...

...although they are shopping it to other networks.  I'd like it on Netflix, please.

This is obviously going to Netflix. No other non-premium channel would pick it up. HBO, I suppose, is a possibility.

Last year, it was widely reported that Hulu had the option to pick up the show if it was cancelled.  And Amazon already has early streaming rights to the show through Prime.  And isn't Fuller involved with adapting American Gods for Starz?

If it stays canceled and doesn't go anywhere, I will miss the murder art. 

Hulu would be fucking gross. Service is shit.

Starz is also basically trash.

Anywhere but NBC.  Or Fox.

I will be very disappointed if this doesn't get picked up by someone.

Unlike most people I know I've been enjoying this season so far. I've seen several people complaining that it's confusing. Well, no shit Sherlock. I'd imagine that being in any kind of relationship with Hannibal IS confusing. I mean, he got someone to chew his own face off and convinced someone else he was a psychopath.

Keep it disorientating, dizzying, impenetrable. There's no shortage of spoon-fed, bland storytelling in the world already.

What was the reason for cancellation ?

I think the ratings were shit. The article I read said something along the lines of "they moved it to a summer show, where ratings are typically terrible, then moved it to a shitty time slot (Thursdays at 10pm EST)."

Hannibal always struggled in ratings, moving it to summer killed it. Its a surprise they kept it around as long as they did.

Hannibal's ratings were godawful.  They moved it to summer so it didn't have to compete against anything and ratings are expected to be terrible for summer programming.  Ratings were still bad for the timeslot, but they renewed for a third season.  And ratings actually have been declining down to "The CW would cancel this" level for Season 3.  NBC wanted to hang onto it, both because it was a critical darling and there is some financing deal in place where they split financing with a foreign company, but the dropping ratings this season were the last straw.

How is Thursday at 10pm a shitty timeslot?  It has to be on at 10pm, due to content, and Thursdays are better than Friday or Saturday. 

Literally, everyone involved with the show has been thanking NBC for giving them as much of a chance as they did.

Yea, I hate NBC for this shit, but I don't fault them for it. It would thrive on Netflix.

Absolutely.  Perfect for Netflix where people know what to expect... or, at least, aren't horrified like they get on network TV.  Someone was telling me that there were all sorts of religious and conservative organizations (I hate organizations) campaigning against it.  That might work on network TV, but I don't think Netflix cares so much.  That reminds me... I wonder if any of the TV stations are going to announce they won't be showing films that have the confederate flag in it? 

I'm through episode 3 of this on Amazon Prime. I like it! It's freaky.

Amazon and Netflix have both passed on picking up Hannibal.

Does the cancellation presage a spectacular ending? I am wondering if I should invest in buying season 3 on iTunes for my commute. Loved the first two seasons.

The final episode of Hannibal (season 3) was pretty good though the post-credits scene felt a bit forced.

If not already on Netlfix, it should be soon ... these '2 to 4 seasons' NBC shows seem to have been heading there often...