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We don't already have a thread for this? Hoping this will be better than Origins but not gonna hold my breath.

Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEbzZP-_Ssc)

(Orange and Teal ranters will have a field day)

They released a domestic and an international trailer. Don't watch the domestic. Compared to the international one, it's shit.

That said, I'm interested now. The international trailer actually shows Silver Samuari and it looks like a decent Wolverine flick. Less Sabretooth, more ninjas on motorcycles.

Wolverine vs ninjas, wtf is there not to like?  :drill:

Well, trailer looks decent (watched international as per suggestion). The whole beard and "lost without focus" thing reminds me of the Superman trailer, though.

I'm just glad they showed blood on Wolvie's claws.

New Wolverine trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIVdijyoQW0)  I don't remember Silver Samurai being that big though.   :oh_i_see:

I can't generate interest for this because the idea of Wolverine getting his regeneration taken away, even if temporarily or what ever, turns me off completely.

Why? I'm genuinely interested

It was one of the major comic book story lines way back when, though it wasn't told in the same way. When Magneto ripped Wolverine's adamantium out of his body the injuries caused so much stress that he lost his healing factor for while. I also distinctly remember there being an issue with him fighting somebody on a train like in the trailer though I can't remember which comic it was (leaning towards the Wolverine books, not any of the X-Men books).

It's hard for me to articulate my reasoning, and I am not saying that the movie is going to be bad or anything. I just feel like I am tired of story lines that strip heroes of the things that make them unique in order to introduce challenge and hardship. If it helps, I avoided similar themes in comics and graphic novels. I guess I just don't like my heroes being diminished.

Best avoid every superman story ever then  :awesome_for_real:

But I do understand what you're saying, it makes sense.

Actually isn't that straight from the comic series this is taken from?  It's been a long time since I read it but I'm pretty sure it was.  Although my memory isn't what it used to be. :oh_i_see:

This is taken from the first 4 issue Wolverine mini series.

Dunno I stopped reading comics in the mid-90s. X-Men 1 (the issue with Wolverine losing his skeleton and subsequently his healing factor) was before that.

They showed a trailer for this before Star Trek.  Wasn't really interested in it, but now I may check it out. 

This is from the 1982 Wolverine mini series.  If I remember he's poisoned which is why he was having problems healing.  I'm pretty sure Viper is the one that poisons him.  Which would go with the shot of her licking the weapon in the trailer.

Ah okay, don't think I ever collected that series.

No Ogun?

It is kind of interesting that this appears to still be following the established Xmen timeline in the movies, with this takeing place after Xmen 3, since wolverine appears to be having nightmares about having to kill Jean.

I actually thought the whole idea of, Logan having to think about the consequences of living forever when everyone else he knew was dying of old age was actually a fairly neat idea for this installment of the Wolverine.  

Saw it.  Enjoyed it. 

Not without faults, but I think it is in the same class as First Class and the first 2 X-men movies.  It doesn't shy away from anything established, but doesn't suffer from 'respecting' the bad movies, either.  The bad movies clearly took place - but nothing from them influences where the character or story goes.  This is the best version of Logan to date, and I do hope they follow the feel of the character for DoFP.

I'll wait a few days before going into spoilery reviews. 

Too much Logan.  Not enough Wolverine.  It feels like every damned x-menish movie has to be a damned "origins of angst" type movie.  Enough already; time to move on and get some ish done.

Logan is Wolverine. There's never been a real alter-ego or dual identity between the two in the movies.

I saw it today. It was awesome, I'd recommend it to anyone.

Ignoring one gaping plot hole throughout.

In other words, it's a completely average movie with a few good scenes in it. Out of all the X-men movies, First Class is the only one I actually enjoyed. The rest have completely throwaway plots, a few good characters/actors and then a bunch of characters that don't really do much,  X2 has a few really good action scenes, and overall they are just completely uneven movies. This one isn't any different. Making Wolverine vulnerable makes for some good early fight scenes against normal humans, but at the end when it's Superhero vs. one dimensional Super Villains it becomes incredibly tedious.

I do give them points though for putting their Days of Future Past teaser scene near the start of the credits though rather than all the way at the end. Nobody likes sitting through 6-7 minutes of credits for 30-60 second long scenes.

Saw it with a bunch of friends from work.  Thought it was pretty decent, with enough action and neat stuff going on to make it a decent addition to the xmen movies franchise.  That being said, pretty much everyone got a good laugh out of the guy we liked to call "the worst ninja ever".  I mean, seriously. Guy has no sense of stealth AT ALL.   "hiding" on a light colored rooftop in a nice black outfit that stands out like a sore thumb from half a block away? dafuq?

Well not everyone can be Stormshadow.  :why_so_serious:

Agreed, First Class only good X-men film so far.

I enjoyed it.  Mutants vs. ninjas and giant samurais oh my.

I couldn't get over this though:

(http://cdn-media.hollywood.com/images/638x425/1792858.jpg)

I don't understand her face.

Her face... yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTWRcTRJdSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62UzLgdb1GQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62UzLgdb1GQ)

Extremely angular face and fivehead coupled with horrible haircut.

Bad pic, I thought she was cute in a quirky way. 


I don't see much to complain about in this movie, it's pretty much everything you could realistically want in a pg-13 wolverine movie with established canon.  They can't having chopping limbs off and he's not a godlike killing machine either that he is in the comics cause he wasn't in any of the other movies.

Other mutants exist but they are kept to a minimum, clear sstory arc with a couple twists and really, best ending credits scene ever.

Agreed - there are a few plot issues, and a few clichés - but this is the best movie set in that universe so far. 

Just saw it, was awesome.

I want to know what the hell his work out regiment is, he looked and acted pretty bad ass.

The credit teaser was great, but not sure how they will explain everything.

Here's one alleged version of Jackman's workout (http://www.popworkouts.com/hugh-jackman-workout-wolverine/). Plus he eats a ton of protein and dietary supplements. In interviews he's admitted how much he stinks as a result.

I also saw in an interview where Jackson got a bunch of diet and workout tips from the Rock.

Saw this yesterday and, surprise, had not really much bad to say about it.  I enjoyed the heck out of it and the plot stuff was 'comic book holes' which could not only be forgiven but cheekily celebrated.  Jackmans hair wasn't quite right throughout, but this managed to wash the stink of Origins out of my clothes.  Indeed, it's kinda what Origins SHOULD have been.

It also proves that if you want to do a Wolverine film, up the Age Certification.  Chucking the bloke out of the window was pure Logan, as was the bullet train deaths.

The odd thing for me:

Comics, for the last 30 years, have been written for older teens and adults.  They’ve moved from melodrama to drama.  The best stories use brutality and violence significantly, rather than blasting it at us repeatedly and making it white noise.   They tell stories where characters are changed by their experiences.  They deal with difficult issues.

However, when we translate these comics to TV and movies, most of the efforts in the 80s, 90s and 00s ignore the maturity of the comics.  They target young teens and kids with stories that have no depth, violence with no impact, and a complete lack of respect for the things that made the characters great over the past 30 years.

When we get a Dark Knight, an Iron Man, or an Avengers that attempts to treat the situation with due respect, they’re usually successful.  I don’t get why we don’t see an animated Avengers series that has the depth of the movie, a Fantastic Four movie with real family relationship issues, or an X-men movie that really gets at the heart of hate.

Most likely because of the medium.  Especially for your X-Men example.  While a serious X-Men cartoon that really gets into the issues that the series has traditionally been about would be cool, the fact that wanker parrent X who uses the tube for a babysitter might stick 5-6 year old Billy down to accidently tune into it and be confused by these issues presented probably wouldnt scan well.  It is one thing to go to the local comic book shop and pick up your latest Avengers, since chances are you know what kind of stuff you are buying before you even open the door.  It is another completely to know billy might accidently tune in to Tony Stark putting a drunken beatdown on some third rate supervillian, or Hank Pim abusing his wife.

Before the Comics Code became a dead letter, before South Park, Simpsons, Family Guy, that was a better argument.  Now?  Otaku think everything that isn't Japanese is shit, and everyone else thinks otaku are creeps, and between the two factors there's no market for serious drama in American cartoons.

--Dave

Otaku generally like anime for the reasons we liked comics like preacher as kids, they deal with serious subjects.  Bad example preacher is better than almost any anime ever  but my point is people die in anime, there are real stakes and real conflicts(generally) also continuity is HUGE and american cartoons generally don't have that.

Naw I'm with MahrinSkel, even anime fans find otaku creepy, for the sheer fact of, the anime fans that watch the heavy consequence, heavy drama series generally watch the stuff Lak is talking about and the otaku prefer the flush/fetish material where nothing happens and everything about repressed people having repressed relationships which has become anime today. 

Its not that there isn't an audience, but because shows that deal with consequence and have gravity behind them are the most vulnerable to executive meddling and ultimate cancellation. We did have an avengers cartoon than ran for a while after IronMan 1, Earth Mightest Heroes....which was canceled to make way for the "movie tie in avengers" that targets young children, think 5-8. And then there is spectacular spiderman which again, pretty damn awesome, but was cancelled to make way for ultimate spiderman, a show that targets 5-8 year old boys.