Title: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Lucas on February 21, 2013, 02:19:06 PM Yep, prepare to be overwhelmed:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/grimoire-forever So, about 50 minutes ago I was totally unaware of this. The original design document for this game and the following early prototypes were made in the mid-nineties. Game will be released (currently set for May) no matter the funding it will get in the end. Here's the latest demo version: http://www.filedropper.com/grimoiredemov12 (small sized exe) And no, the creator hasn't released a manual, yet. Like I said, prepare to be overwhelmed (it has a strong Realms of Arkania vibe to say the least) and feel that early nineties vibe :drill: . Good luck. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Zetor on February 21, 2013, 02:31:13 PM On one hand, it's awesome to see a Wizardry-like game in 2012... and it may even be fun.
On the other hand, which unfortunately keeps me from even trying the game -- the creator is an insane racist usenet kook* with a seething hate-on for Sir-tech who has been promising a release for this game since at least 1998. I'll stick with Generation XTH (http://kudomuramasa.foramu.net/t15-screenshots-1-18-13) if I want my fix... maybe if the game turns out completely freaking blow-the-hinges-off-the-door awesome, I'll give it a look. Not planning to give any dollars to Cleve though, sorry. * he was pretty much the Serek Dmart of c.s.i.p.rpg. Just do a google groups search with his name, and possibly toss in 'racism' for extra hits. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Lucas on February 21, 2013, 02:40:02 PM Ah, I see. Thanks for pointing that out; oh, and I also noticed that the demo for Generation XTH is now available: downloading now :)
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: IainC on February 21, 2013, 06:59:50 PM There's a Let's Play of the demo over on Broken Forum (http://brokenforum.com/index.php?threads/cleve-blakemore-presents-grimoire-an-indiegogo-project.3678/). The Let's Play begins on page 12 with this post by Meserach (http://brokenforum.com/index.php?threads/cleve-blakemore-presents-grimoire-an-indiegogo-project.3678/page-12#post-479535).
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Torinak on February 21, 2013, 09:34:06 PM On one hand, it's awesome to see a Wizardry-like game in 2012... and it may even be fun. On the other hand, which unfortunately keeps me from even trying the game -- the creator is an insane racist usenet kook* with a seething hate-on for Sir-tech who has been promising a release for this game since at least 1998. I'll stick with Generation XTH (http://kudomuramasa.foramu.net/t15-screenshots-1-18-13) if I want my fix... maybe if the game turns out completely freaking blow-the-hinges-off-the-door awesome, I'll give it a look. Not planning to give any dollars to Cleve though, sorry. * he was pretty much the Serek Dmart of c.s.i.p.rpg. Just do a google groups search with his name, and possibly toss in 'racism' for extra hits. Does it have muskets that fire baseballs? Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Tebonas on February 22, 2013, 02:23:34 AM I thought you were exaggerating Zetor, but wow. Although, I'm 97% sure all of that is fake. It must be.
I never thought I would ever read from a person that actually with a straight face could be considered a Neanderthal supremacist. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: IainC on February 22, 2013, 02:53:53 AM I thought you were exaggerating Zetor, but wow. Although, I'm 97% sure all of that is fake. It must be. 97% of it is fake in as much as it isn't (obviously) true that Cleve is a neanderthal with super-powers. It is however true in as much as these are things he legitimately believes. He is unhinged in many, many ways both vile and tragic. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Tebonas on February 22, 2013, 03:01:33 AM I meant fake as in that isn't actually him. Somebody is doing a hatchet job on some poor schlob who tries to recreate Wizardry for the last 15 years.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: IainC on February 22, 2013, 03:15:03 AM I meant fake as in that isn't actually him. Somebody is doing a hatchet job on some poor schlob who tries to recreate Wizardry for the last 15 years. Hear it from the horse's mouth (http://vault-co.blogspot.de/2013/02/homo-sapiens-not-animal-he-believes.html) I'm not going to be responsible for any SAN loss brought about by following that link mind you. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: rk47 on February 22, 2013, 03:29:07 AM HAHAHAHAHH
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Lucas on February 22, 2013, 04:56:36 AM LOL :heart:
(spotted this via a user on RPG Codex, who reported the following): http://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9904&page=11 Quote Cleve said: I reckon all of you are going to eat crow when I sail through the $750,000 mark about 30 days in. If I was not the author of this game and could get a copy free, I personally would not hesitate a second to get the $100.00 pledge. I'd give anything to have a hardbacked manual and full solution guide for a game like that. Sorry but you guys are underestimating me again. Grimoire is legion. It is the world's greatest vaporware in the history of mankind and when it goes to release anybody who did not get the physical goods is going to have a lifetime of regrets. I know what my own game is worth to hardcore players. You naysayers will be eating crow and substantial amounts of it, first when I cruise through 250G like it wasn't even there and then when I release the game on May 1st. I don't want to think about the mascara tears running down your cheeks when you realize it will be DRM forever after and your one shot to get the physical copy has forever passed you by. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Tebonas on February 22, 2013, 06:02:57 AM That man surely knows how to talk to would-be customers.
In a few posts this went from "Yay, Nostalgia, where can I throw my money at" to "Would my money buy medication for his mental illness or support his drug habit?" Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Zetor on February 22, 2013, 07:31:01 AM Cleve. Cleve never changes. Etc.
On the other hand, I looked at the LP forum in brokenforum, and it inspired me to replay Wizardry 8 again [this time with some mods]. Something good has come out of this after all! :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Zetor on March 31, 2017, 10:20:00 PM Necro... but fitting, considering the source material.
So, uh, apparently this shit is now on Greenlight (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=893772412), and Cleve is as classy as ever. Is this the fourth or fifth seal of the apocalypse? I sorta lost count... e: yes, I posted this on 4:20AM Greenland time on April 1st, but this is not a drill. I repeat, THIS IS NOT A DRILL. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Soulflame on April 03, 2017, 08:35:57 AM Holy shit, Grimoire actually saw the light of day?
Christ on a cracker, I remember hearing about this nearly decades ago. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on July 10, 2017, 02:29:31 AM Supposed to launch Friday, pulled it back for last minute updates/fixes etc. $39.95 is the rumored price. Should be out any day now.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: IainC on July 10, 2017, 04:08:37 AM Supposed to launch Friday, pulled it back for last minute updates/fixes etc. $39.95 is the rumored price. Should be out any day now. To the surprise of no-one, it did not actually release and there is no ETA. Apparently Cleve is simultaneously waiting for Valve to approve the store package and also adding features to the game at the last minute. Sounds legit. A reminder that the only game Cleve has ever released was an Android platformer that required you to press the spacebar fto jump (the only control in the game).Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Mandella on July 10, 2017, 09:59:27 AM Crap. The merciful passage of time had almost erased all awareness of Cleve from my mind.
It was said best by Zetor four years ago. Cleve. Cleve never changes... Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on July 10, 2017, 07:38:08 PM I bet it comes out before Star Citizen does!
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on August 01, 2017, 01:11:05 PM This is supposed to unlock at 6PM PDT today.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Mandella on August 01, 2017, 03:07:14 PM I try not to ever use this emote, but...
:popcorn: Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: raydeen on August 01, 2017, 07:46:55 PM Been a while since I haunted 'round here, but I knew this was probably worthy of coming back to take a look to see what might be discussed. I'll be honest, I hadn't heard of this until a couple of weeks ago (or if I had heard of it years ago, it just slipped away down some deep dark hole in my brain), so I had no real expectations, no knowledge of the history of the game and creator, just that this looked old-skool good and I was ready to play! So I've been catching up on the drama, patiently waited until today, came home from work expecting to fork over some cash, and then...
Originally posted by GOLDEN ERA GAMES: Almost there. Hit glitch on laptop display not supporting 16 bit fullscreen mode. Fixing it now. Umm...how long was this in development again? He said something about running it on a newer laptop...what the hell has he been coding on all this time? He *just now* found this bug??!! I'm beginning to see where all the frustration and general ridicule are coming from. I probably have plenty of time to get my old Mac SE up and running again (it's got the checkerboard screen and the only thing I haven't outright replaced is the analog board), play through Might and Magic 1-3, Might and Magic 4 and 5 on my iBook, 6-10 on my PC, all the Wizadrys, Ultimas, and Bard's Tales a couple of times through before this is going to see daylight. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: raydeen on August 01, 2017, 07:47:16 PM Dammit, somehow I posted the same thing twice. Blaming my over sensitive trackpad.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Zetor on August 01, 2017, 08:29:30 PM [ouroboros.png]
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Signe on August 01, 2017, 08:42:30 PM I don't think this is really real. I looked and everything is too weird to be real. And $40?!? Say whaaaa???
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: raydeen on August 01, 2017, 09:18:08 PM I don't think this is really real. I looked and everything is too weird to be real. And $40?!? Say whaaaa??? I've been questioning reality for the past year or so. I'm completely convinced that the sole reason we have Donald Trump as president over here is because some drunk asshole at CERN brought some bimbo back to the lab after hours, and in a vain attempt to impress her with the biggest Laser-Floyd show ever, cranked the LHC up to Eleven and seriously fucked up the Universe. I mean, hell, Trump is president, The Cubs won the World Series, Spiderman is now back in the Marvel Studio stable (at least to an extent), and Wonder Woman didn't outright suck. And apparently The Doctor is now going to be a woman (or at least that's what I've heard - still working my way through Capaldi's current season and Goddamn I don't want him to go). So yeah, shit's fucked up and on fire, yo. Given all that, maybe it's not impossible that a game that's two decades in the making will release in the next few hours. edit because sleepy and stupid. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on August 01, 2017, 11:59:50 PM Late, of course. Supposedly in the Steam Approval queue now, so what 3-5 days? This guy is a clown. I hope the game doesn't blow, if it ever actually gets released.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on August 02, 2017, 07:13:29 AM Quote Ban notification from a Grimoire : Heralds of the Winged Exemplar developer — 7 hours ago :roffle:You have been banned from Grimoire : Heralds of the Winged Exemplar Discussions You have been banned from Grimoire : Heralds of the Winged Exemplar Discussions by a Grimoire : Heralds of the Winged Exemplar developer for your post in "Grimoire : Heralds of the Winged Exemplar General Discussions": %text% Ban Reason: Too tough for this forum Please review the Discussions Rules and Guidelines. This is a permanent ban. My first and apparently only post! He even deleted it, so I can't quote myself directly, but someone was blaming Steam for the game not being released on time (when he didn't send the release candidate until late last night). I responded "LOL @ blaming Steam for late release. The clown in charge should have had it to them a week ago". Thin-skinned snowflake obv. What a shit show. I can't stop laughing. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: schild on August 02, 2017, 08:03:51 AM Too tough for this forum
what does that even mean Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on August 02, 2017, 08:52:20 AM Right? There are comments far less complimentary than mine that are still up. Maybe he is a lurker here and doesn't like me? :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Zetor on August 02, 2017, 11:10:13 AM That's just Cleve being Cleve. I think it may be time to bring in the heavy hitters. :drill:
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on August 02, 2017, 02:09:29 PM Heh. You will have plenty of time to get your shots in, since this thing seems to be vaporware. He must have sent Gabe a Top Pot gift certificate to get it listed on Steam at all.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: penfold on August 03, 2017, 07:01:40 AM ANY. DAY. NOW. MUST. HOLD. BREATH. CLEVE. WILL. SURELY. DELIVER.
The promo release vid has a memorial page for a fan who died 10 years ago ("He never gave up believing") which had me laughing in a sad way. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Mandella on August 03, 2017, 12:05:26 PM Heh. You will have plenty of time to get your shots in, since this thing seems to be vaporware. He must have sent Gabe a Top Pot gift certificate to get it listed on Steam at all. I imagine most of the votes to Greenlight him came from the "put up or shut" crowd that has been listening to him go on for decades. I know if I had known it was up for it I would have voted yea too. I can't get too much schadenfreude (thank you spellcheck!) out of this though. I'm not a shrink, but I've met plenty of crazy people and I think he might be clinically mentally ill. And as has been pointed out the only example of his coding skill we've actually seen so far has been a PC to Mobile port that actually, no kidding, called for you to use the space bar to jump. And even ignoring that the game was super crappy, even by early nineties standards. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on August 03, 2017, 08:51:25 PM He pops in every day or two with a fresh line of bullshit. 90% chance mental illness, 10% chance master troll.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Zetor on August 04, 2017, 04:40:33 AM This is now released and available on steam -- some microissues remain, like doubleclicking on a character portrait crashing the game.
We're gonna need a bigger :why_so_serious:... Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: raydeen on August 04, 2017, 07:26:20 AM Well, I took one for the team and bought it. Will report back later wth my findings.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: HaemishM on August 04, 2017, 09:30:02 AM Why do you motherfuckers want to enable the mentally ill?
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Ginaz on August 04, 2017, 11:06:14 AM Why do you motherfuckers want to enable the mentally ill? It worked for Trump? Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on August 04, 2017, 12:54:28 PM Well, I took one for the team and bought it. Will report back later wth my findings. I was going to leap, but the reviews are SAVAGING it. Will give it a few days to see if he can unfuck some of it, but the more I learn about Cleve the less interested I am in putting anything but a live grenade in his pocket. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: koro on August 04, 2017, 02:23:39 PM Quote So GRIMOIRE is out. It's a little late, since it was delayed from its original August 1 release date, which was delayed from its June release date, which was delayed from its original March 2013 release date, which was delayed from its 2005 release date, which was delayed from its 2000 release date, which was delayed from its 1997 release date. So it's been a long time coming! In the meantime, Cleve "Neanderthal" Blakemore has espoused his opinions on many things, like game design and black people and the fact that satanists designed television to make women to go crazy and eat Ben and Jerrys Ice Cream and this causes men to become stupid because they can't have sex with women who are eating ice cream so much. It's definitely a real problem, which is explained on his blog here http://vault-co.blogspot.com/2007/06/television-is-designed-to-kill.html . Fortunately men playing videogames for 600 hours doesn't affect women or themselves in any way, so Cleve is definitely NOT a hypocrite for making an endless CRPG and that's not a big deal. Phew! Anyway, I don't want to get sidetracked with discussing Cleve's opinions, like how he thinks Stephen Hawking secretly died and was replaced by a duplicate or that black people are intrinsically stupid. Let's discuss the game! If you are familiar with CRPGs from the late 90s, you know that Wizardry 7 was to many people the pinnacle of game design and dungeon crawling. It's a well-designed product, and stands out from the other games that came out at the time, most of which tried to improve on the formula by adding bad gimmicks or lots of meaningless stats or changing the combat in ways which were detrimental to the experience. For example, FATE "improved" on Wizardry by making everything enormous for no reason, which allowed them to claim 200 hours of gameplay even though most of the world was empty or contained repeats of other areas because they simply didn't have time to make a game that big and put interesting things in all of it. Grimoire fits right into this period of CRPG design, because it's clearly based on Wizardry -- and Wiz7 in particular -- but changes the formula in ways that make it worse. Let's talk about party composition. Wizardry had six party members. Grimoire has eight! EIGHT IS MORE! IT'S BETTER BECAUSE MORE!!! Anyway eight characters attacking an enemy at once would be a bit much if they remained the same as in Wizardry or Bard's Tale or whatever so as a result Cleve has to weaken party members and buff enemies. The result is over a long term the same balance is maintained, but in the specific case random encounters can simply kill your party members with no recourse and with nothing you could have done to prevent it. This is mostly true early on, of course, before you get spells and skills to mitigate it, and before you grind out the levels to improve your characters. If you're a big Bard's Tale fan you won't mind having your party die for no real reason over and over again early on. Anyone who's used to newer RPG design, or early RPG design in actual good games, should stay away. This ain't Might & Magic; it's more of a Wizards & Warriors. I was originally going to call it Dungeon Lords but that's, frankly, too harsh for this game. Cleve Blakemore may believe that Europeans are genetically predisposed to avoid jaywalking and Americans jaywalk because of all the non-white people poisoning our genes but even he doesn't believe David W. Bradley's Dungeon Lords is good. Anyway! If you like shoddy Wizardry ripoffs that overpromise on everything but more or less deliver some dungeons and places to explore and items to puzzle over, and you don't mind giving your money to an insane white supremacist, then you should buy Grimoire Heralds of the Winged Exemplar. I can't say you should buy it if you like Wizardry, because those games are too good to really serve as a measuring stick. This is a game for people who have exausted every CRPG series already, for people who struggled through every other game there is. This is a game for people who think insect noises that repeat every half a second, layered for every insect in a six-enemy stack so that they make you want to kill yourself, and which you can't turn off without also turning off the music because apparently coding SFX and BGM meters separately is too hard even for a Neanderthal Supergenius, are good and cool. This is a game for people who like Eye of the Beholder -- not the real one, the GBA one -- or I guess for people who really really hate Aboriginal people. If you fit both those descriptions, buy Grimoire immediately. You will never find another game as perfect for you as this one. Hell, maybe someday Cleve will add custom portraits and you can make everyone look like Pepe or something and then you'll never need to play another game as long as you live! Mazel tov! Preserving this Steam review for posterity before Cleve inevitably deletes it. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on August 04, 2017, 03:03:00 PM Haha yeah that was the one that stopped my purchase dead in its tracks. I already own Wiz6-8 on GOG, but bought them on Steam too. First thing I found was an automap mod for 6!
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Ginaz on August 04, 2017, 03:56:00 PM Quote So GRIMOIRE is out. It's a little late, since it was delayed from its original August 1 release date, which was delayed from its June release date, which was delayed from its original March 2013 release date, which was delayed from its 2005 release date, which was delayed from its 2000 release date, which was delayed from its 1997 release date. So it's been a long time coming! In the meantime, Cleve "Neanderthal" Blakemore has espoused his opinions on many things, like game design and black people and the fact that satanists designed television to make women to go crazy and eat Ben and Jerrys Ice Cream and this causes men to become stupid because they can't have sex with women who are eating ice cream so much. It's definitely a real problem, which is explained on his blog here http://vault-co.blogspot.com/2007/06/television-is-designed-to-kill.html . Fortunately men playing videogames for 600 hours doesn't affect women or themselves in any way, so Cleve is definitely NOT a hypocrite for making an endless CRPG and that's not a big deal. Phew! Anyway, I don't want to get sidetracked with discussing Cleve's opinions, like how he thinks Stephen Hawking secretly died and was replaced by a duplicate or that black people are intrinsically stupid. Let's discuss the game! If you are familiar with CRPGs from the late 90s, you know that Wizardry 7 was to many people the pinnacle of game design and dungeon crawling. It's a well-designed product, and stands out from the other games that came out at the time, most of which tried to improve on the formula by adding bad gimmicks or lots of meaningless stats or changing the combat in ways which were detrimental to the experience. For example, FATE "improved" on Wizardry by making everything enormous for no reason, which allowed them to claim 200 hours of gameplay even though most of the world was empty or contained repeats of other areas because they simply didn't have time to make a game that big and put interesting things in all of it. Grimoire fits right into this period of CRPG design, because it's clearly based on Wizardry -- and Wiz7 in particular -- but changes the formula in ways that make it worse. Let's talk about party composition. Wizardry had six party members. Grimoire has eight! EIGHT IS MORE! IT'S BETTER BECAUSE MORE!!! Anyway eight characters attacking an enemy at once would be a bit much if they remained the same as in Wizardry or Bard's Tale or whatever so as a result Cleve has to weaken party members and buff enemies. The result is over a long term the same balance is maintained, but in the specific case random encounters can simply kill your party members with no recourse and with nothing you could have done to prevent it. This is mostly true early on, of course, before you get spells and skills to mitigate it, and before you grind out the levels to improve your characters. If you're a big Bard's Tale fan you won't mind having your party die for no real reason over and over again early on. Anyone who's used to newer RPG design, or early RPG design in actual good games, should stay away. This ain't Might & Magic; it's more of a Wizards & Warriors. I was originally going to call it Dungeon Lords but that's, frankly, too harsh for this game. Cleve Blakemore may believe that Europeans are genetically predisposed to avoid jaywalking and Americans jaywalk because of all the non-white people poisoning our genes but even he doesn't believe David W. Bradley's Dungeon Lords is good. Anyway! If you like shoddy Wizardry ripoffs that overpromise on everything but more or less deliver some dungeons and places to explore and items to puzzle over, and you don't mind giving your money to an insane white supremacist, then you should buy Grimoire Heralds of the Winged Exemplar. I can't say you should buy it if you like Wizardry, because those games are too good to really serve as a measuring stick. This is a game for people who have exausted every CRPG series already, for people who struggled through every other game there is. This is a game for people who think insect noises that repeat every half a second, layered for every insect in a six-enemy stack so that they make you want to kill yourself, and which you can't turn off without also turning off the music because apparently coding SFX and BGM meters separately is too hard even for a Neanderthal Supergenius, are good and cool. This is a game for people who like Eye of the Beholder -- not the real one, the GBA one -- or I guess for people who really really hate Aboriginal people. If you fit both those descriptions, buy Grimoire immediately. You will never find another game as perfect for you as this one. Hell, maybe someday Cleve will add custom portraits and you can make everyone look like Pepe or something and then you'll never need to play another game as long as you live! Mazel tov! Preserving this Steam review for posterity before Cleve inevitably deletes it. Game developers can't remove Steam reviews unless they violate Steam's rules. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on August 04, 2017, 05:13:20 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMAsPyYonNg
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha OMG. I dodged a $40 bullet on this turd. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: HaemishM on August 05, 2017, 12:17:20 AM Good Christ. :ye_gods: I'm not even sure that would have been tolerable when I was playing Might & Magic 3.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Mandella on August 05, 2017, 09:41:12 AM To be fair, at this moment and 104 reviews, it's seventy five percent positive. Of course, right now all we have posting are Cleve fanbois/hatebois battling it out, reviewing the person more than the game. And we can already tell that if you don't like the game, you really just don't get "old school."
Or that's what Cleve is going to be saying anyway. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on August 05, 2017, 11:25:58 AM Watching the gameplay in that video (having to click the mouse several thousand times per combat round, for instance) makes me wonder. I was hoping for an old school game with an non-shitty UI. I am playing W6 again, and that AI is enough punishment for me.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Signe on August 05, 2017, 12:50:57 PM I read reviews and some people are calling this Cleve character a racist among other things. Is that true? I do enjoy old school games but I'm not entirely sure I want to support some creepy racist. And that UI really does look very unpleasant. I mean I understand "old school", but it doesn't mean you can't snip out the bits that everyone hates.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Mandella on August 05, 2017, 01:28:31 PM I read reviews and some people are calling this Cleve character a racist among other things. Is that true? I do enjoy old school games but I'm not entirely sure I want to support some creepy racist. And that UI really does look very unpleasant. I mean I understand "old school", but it doesn't mean you can't snip out the bits that everyone hates. Yes, it's true, although calling him a racist is like -- I dunno, it's like the scum on top of the sewage pond. The shit really gets deeper. Koro's quote above has a link to his blog if you want to get started exploring Cleve's philosophy. It's not going to help your faith in humanity at all. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Sir T on August 05, 2017, 02:02:35 PM Way back I played Might and Majic 7 and loved it, and the interface was a lot better than that.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Ginaz on August 05, 2017, 03:34:24 PM I read reviews and some people are calling this Cleve character a racist among other things. Is that true? I do enjoy old school games but I'm not entirely sure I want to support some creepy racist. And that UI really does look very unpleasant. I mean I understand "old school", but it doesn't mean you can't snip out the bits that everyone hates. He's part of the 'thal master race and therefore superior to all of us mere sapians. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Sir T on August 05, 2017, 03:51:39 PM I thought he thought of himself as a Neanderthal throwback, and he has superior muscle mass to everyone living today. He was full of tall tales about his immense feats of strength and general superiority.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Ginaz on August 05, 2017, 06:30:12 PM I thought he thought of himself as a Neanderthal throwback, and he has superior muscle mass to everyone living today. He was full of tall tales about his immense feats of strength and general superiority. thal=neanderthal and if his photos are anything to go by, I can almost guarantee you I'm way stronger than he is even with all that inferior sapien blood running through me. I remember watching a youtube video from some effeminate sounding black man who claimed Africans were superior to Europeans because they didn't have any Neanderthal DNA in them. The reason being that scientists believe neanderthals were less intelligent than homo sapiens because of their skull structure and therefore having thal DNA makes you less intelligent. So to this guys way of thinking, since people of European descent have neanderthal DNA and Africans don't, that means Africans are more intelligent than Europeans. He also kept referring to white women as "cave Becky's" which I guess was supposed to be a racist insult, though it's probably about as effective as calling a white person a honky. Maybe we should hook those two guys up and watch ensuing clash of racist crackpot theories. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: raydeen on August 08, 2017, 08:53:24 PM I'd hoped to have some more info by this point, but it looks like I'm going to have to dig out an actual Windows PC to properly play it. WINE won't do the trick as it crashes looking for a midi file player (yep, the music is all midi). I got it to work in a Win7 VM but the mouse is really 'floaty' and a bit tough to control. So I really haven't gotten anywhere into the actual gameplay yet. I'll keep plugging away. I like these 'problems'. Gives me something to do other than watching Youtube and shitposting.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Zetor on August 10, 2017, 08:49:08 PM It does work on WINE if you install directmusic and some midi library (link (http://grimoire.wiki/index.php/Wine_Guide)), but imo you're playing with fire considering how non-robust the program itself seems to be even on Windows 10. Then again, that's probably part of the Trve Grimoire Experience™!
Speaking of robustness, apparently there was a hilarisad patch rollercoaster where Cleve managed to invalidate save games for three patches in a row - forcing players to restart from scratch each time - and then release a version of the game that couldn't overwrite saves, probably because he mixed up pointers and the game tried to create a file literally called NO, DON'T OVERWRITE THIS FILE... obviously he went off on a rant about these bugs being caused by ?HACKERS? targeting his obscure vaporware game for whatever reason. Neanderthals don't believe in regression testing (or the concept of development / test builds in general), it looks like. That said, I'm kinda torn -- Wiz7-8 were among my all-time favorite games, and I've been waiting for another game in the same vein (even if it's cargo cult-y) for like 15 years now. I know this game is supposed to be super obtuse, but my curiosity and jank tolerance is high enough to get past that. OTOH I really don't want to give Cleve money... sigh. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Sir T on August 11, 2017, 06:51:05 AM That said, I'm kinda torn -- Wiz7-8 were among my all-time favorite games, and I've been waiting for another game in the same vein (even if it's cargo cult-y) for like 15 years now. I know this game is supposed to be super obtuse, but my curiosity and jank tolerance is high enough to get past that. OTOH I really don't want to give Cleve money... sigh. I've heard that Elminage Gothic is pretty good on the Wiz 8 vein https://www.gog.com/game/elminage_gothic Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Zetor on August 11, 2017, 07:10:58 AM That said, I'm kinda torn -- Wiz7-8 were among my all-time favorite games, and I've been waiting for another game in the same vein (even if it's cargo cult-y) for like 15 years now. I know this game is supposed to be super obtuse, but my curiosity and jank tolerance is high enough to get past that. OTOH I really don't want to give Cleve money... sigh. I've heard that Elminage Gothic is pretty good on the Wiz 8 vein https://www.gog.com/game/elminage_gothic Just some examples of what Wiz7 have that those games don't: a gameworld with nonlinear exploration and towns that are actual places instead of just a single screen you visit after each dungeon delve to level up and rest your mages, nontrivial puzzles and riddles that feel like they're part of the world, NPCs that do their own thing with a lot of interaction options instead of just 'here is this quest', sometimes competing with you and getting critical items before you, a complex yet rewarding character system, etc etc... it's not even in the same league. Wiz8 was even better, except for combat being too slow (but mods fix that). e: anyway, the tldr of all this angst is that someone needs to create a proper Wiz7/8 sequel... someone who isn't Cleve. Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Rendakor on August 11, 2017, 10:08:55 AM I already played EG and most of the dungeon crawlers on steam (Stranger of Sword City, the Tokyo Abyss games, StarCrawlers, etc) as well as the Etrian Odyssey games on DS, and they just don't measure up. As someone who liked most of those games you've listed but has never played a Wizardry game, where should I start? I see 6, 7 and 8 on Steam, should I just start there? Or are the older ones worth playing? If any of them need mods, what mods should I look for?Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Signe on August 11, 2017, 10:40:38 AM That's where I would start, Rendakor. The earlier ones were really rudimentary. I would go nuts having to play through something that looked like that. I did play the Wizardry games a million years ago and really enjoyed them.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Zetor on August 11, 2017, 11:01:23 AM Yea, you should definitely grab the 6-7-8 trilogy pack. It's intended to be played in order, you can even transfer your characters and stuff (they become depowered quite a bit after a transfer, but there's still some advantage over a noob squad).
Fair warning, though, Wizardry 6 can be kind of offputting. The combat/character system/UI isn't as refined as in 7, the graphics are way worse, the story/setting is all over the place, and some of the puzzles are super turbo obnoxious unless you consult a walkthrough. OTOH there is at least one plot item that transfers from 6 all the way to 8, and a NPC even reacts to it (not critical in any way, though)! Wizardry 7 is an absolute masterpiece, however, and 8 improves on it even further (though it changes some fairly major things about how the game works). Essentials: Wiz6 - Automap mod (http://www.moddb.com/mods/wizardry-6-automap-mod/downloads/wizardry-6-automap-mod-12). You have to do some fiddling to get it to work with steam, this guide (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=528034096) may help. Wiz8 - WizFast (http://wizardryvault.com/file-downloads/?did=10) to solve one half of the 'combat takes forever' problem. Nice-to-haves: All games - Cosmic Forge editor (http://mad-god.webs.com/cosmicforge.htm) is a full-blown modding tool, but most importantly it can patch Wiz6/Wiz7 with a lot of QoL things like boosting the RNG at character generation (so you aren't spending 2 hours trying to create a faerie ninja) and such. Wiz7 - Automap mod (http://www.moddb.com/mods/wizardry-7-automap-mod). Not strictly necessary because there's an ingame map + mapping skill (to get better / more detailed maps), plus it doesn't play nice with some of the Cosmic Forge editor's changes. Wiz8 - Wizardry 8 Enhanced (http://www.mediafire.com/file/u8o91pl2b77c28c/Wizardry8_Enhanced_v0.9_RC.exe) - Rebalance mod that also fixes the other half of the 'combat takes forever' problem (faster animations for projectiles). It also has some experimental new content, but you can just not install it. Comes with an installer and everything. edit: Here (https://www.gog.com/forum/wizardry_series/wizadry_8_speed_mod) is an alternative that just changes the animation speed. Wiz8 - a bunch of mods (http://www.zimlab.com/wizardry/mods/wiz8mods.htm) to keep the game fresh on replays, though most of them aren't that good Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Rendakor on August 11, 2017, 11:03:05 AM Thanks, I'll have to check them out when I'm not deep into Minecraft.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Sir T on August 11, 2017, 12:37:22 PM Ya, I need something at the moment to get sucked into and the Wiz series might be just the trick.
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: Lucas on August 11, 2017, 03:57:32 PM Personally, before Wizardry, I would suggest starting with the Might&Magic series: I'm playing the second chapter ("Gates to Another World", 1988) right now and having a blast. For a slightly improved experience, at least with the interface, go with the third one (Isles of Terra)
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: WayAbvPar on August 15, 2017, 01:36:53 PM I am in the middle of my latest attempt at Wiz6 and having a ball. I am about to leave the mines, which will mark the farthest I have ever gotten :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Grimoire (VERY old school CRPG. Demo available!) Post by: koro on August 16, 2017, 05:14:26 PM I too have been playing Wiz6, and I'm past the mines and into the pyramid. I'm digging it, though the entire game having only a single tileset really gets old after a while.
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