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Title: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Khaldun on October 25, 2012, 12:23:37 PM From Jeff Masters' blog at Weather Underground:
"Landfall Monday along the mid-Atlantic coast on Monday, as predicted by the ECMWF and NOGAPS models, would likely be a billion-dollar disaster. In this scenario, Sandy would be able to bring sustained winds near hurricane force over a wide stretch of heavily populated coast, causing massive power outages, as trees still in leaf fall and take out power lines. Sandy is expected to have tropical storm-force winds that extend out more than 300 miles from the center, which will drive a much larger storm surge than its winds would ordinarily suggest. The full moon is on Monday, which means astronomical tides will be at their peak for the month, increasing potential storm surge flooding. Fresh water flooding from heavy rains would also be a huge concern. Given the ECMWF's consistent handling of Sandy, I believe this mid-Atlantic scenario has a higher probability of occurring than the Northeast U.S. scenario. However, it is likely that the models are overdoing the strength of Sandy at landfall. The models have trouble handling the transition from tropical storm to extratropical storm in these type of situations, and I expect that the 940 mb central pressure of Sandy predicted at landfall Monday in Delaware by the ECMWF model is substantially overdone." Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Shannow on October 25, 2012, 12:35:31 PM Something about winter storms colliding with Sandy and arctic fronts. Well played Mayans well played!
I'll be chuckling and stuff until an oak tree falls on my house. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: ghost on October 25, 2012, 12:39:46 PM If it hits NYC/New Jersey it could be serious business.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Teleku on October 25, 2012, 01:50:35 PM I'm hoping for a direct hit on DC. I want to see something at least resembling a hurricane dammit! All the typhoons missed Japan in the year I was there. :sad:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Paelos on October 25, 2012, 02:00:21 PM This has the potential to make my GA/FL tailgate unfun.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: ghost on October 25, 2012, 02:40:35 PM Hot chicks in small clothes in the rain when it is mildly chilly? :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Paelos on October 25, 2012, 06:48:24 PM Hot chicks in small clothes in the rain when it is mildly chilly? :awesome_for_real: No they don't WEAR the small clothes if it's rainy! THE HORROR! Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Strazos on October 25, 2012, 08:17:15 PM If it hits NYC/New Jersey it could be serious business. Swear to god, I come back to this country for 3 weeks in two years, and I might get slammed by a hurricane? FFS :uhrr: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Teleku on October 25, 2012, 08:21:16 PM Well, they do form off the coast of Africa. Reap what you sow! :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 25, 2012, 08:38:12 PM If I have to listen to another neighborhood bitch whining about the lack of organic beef on Sunday, I'm cutting motherfuckers.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Teleku on October 25, 2012, 09:10:25 PM Did I, or did I not, see you mention that you are owner of a restaurant somewhere in the Bay Area. :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ingmar on October 25, 2012, 10:42:28 PM I think it is a bar. Which has not had its identity revealed NOR have any offers of free beer for life been made.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Lantyssa on October 26, 2012, 05:24:21 AM Restaurant with a bar, I believe. If he made offers of free beer for life then he'd have some chick whining about how she doesn't drink beer and would appreciate free Cape Cods for life. Which he totally needs to do.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Numtini on October 26, 2012, 07:20:47 AM That's Cape Codder. Not Cape Cod. What a nasty drink.
Speaking of which, idiot coworker of the day quote: "If we're going to lose power for a week, I'm glad we added the landline to our comcast." Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Lantyssa on October 26, 2012, 07:50:53 AM :facepalm:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Johny Cee on October 26, 2012, 07:58:23 AM That's Cape Codder. Not Cape Cod. What a nasty drink. Speaking of which, idiot coworker of the day quote: "If we're going to lose power for a week, I'm glad we added the landline to our comcast." Eh? If it is a real land line, then the telephone is independent of the power grid and you will still be able to make calls with an older (no electric plug) telephone model even if the power lines go down as long as the phone lines stay up.... which in my experience happens fairly often. My parents maintain an old push button phone solely to make calls/emergency calls during power outages. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on October 26, 2012, 08:42:11 AM Comcast landlines come through the Television cable line, I assume.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: CaptainNapkin on October 26, 2012, 09:53:04 AM What timing, I'll be flying from Montreal to LaGuardia on Tuesday. Though now it looks like could be an extra night in Montreal, there are worse places to be stuck I suppose.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Viin on October 26, 2012, 09:56:53 AM Comcast landlines come through the Television cable line, I assume. Which require a router (which takes power) to segregate the VOIP from the TV from the Internet. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Rendakor on October 26, 2012, 10:04:50 AM My Comcast-provided router/cable box takes a 9-volt battery for backup power, so it still works in an outage.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Trippy on October 26, 2012, 10:44:44 AM The battery only works for a few hours, though.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on October 26, 2012, 12:03:14 PM Yeah, mine only works for 4 hours when power's out.
However; in this day and age I'm surprised people are relying on landlines instead of cell phones, which work unless the tower goes down. They have their own generators for these situations, don't they? Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Trippy on October 26, 2012, 12:48:13 PM What happens when your cell phone battery runs out?
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ingmar on October 26, 2012, 12:57:11 PM That's one area where I'm firmly Luddite, I'm not ditching my PSTN land line. Having the possibility of cell phone OR land line is far superior in an emergency situation.
A 'land line' through a cable provider is not the same thing. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: 01101010 on October 26, 2012, 01:00:02 PM What happens when your cell phone battery runs out? Solar power charger or go out to your car and plug it in. I did that last bit during the few hurricanes when power was out longer than my cel battery could last. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on October 26, 2012, 01:00:09 PM What happens when your cell phone battery runs out? I don't own one, but the wife does and it's not a smartphone. If the battery runs out then we're fucked because the food ran out a day and a half earlier. :grin:For those of you with them, I recommend a car charger. If the local phone company didn't demand $30 a month plus taxes, fees, 911 fee AND long distance charges, I'd still have a hardline. (Smallest phone bill was $40) Since they don't, I pay $25 to have it through cable. Well.. paid; the wife works for the cable company now so I don't pay anything. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Strazos on October 26, 2012, 03:19:47 PM I guess we'll see how many of my 3 flights in the next week get fucked with... :uhrr:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Teleku on October 26, 2012, 03:26:20 PM Well, this is all very appropriate. My class Monday and Tuesday is simulated training for what to do if a disaster hits our embassy. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Khaldun on October 26, 2012, 04:00:54 PM I do not think anyone is flying to NYC Tuesday. Or Wednesday. Or maybe Thursday or even Friday.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: CaptainNapkin on October 26, 2012, 06:29:37 PM I do not think anyone is flying to NYC Tuesday. Or Wednesday. Or maybe Thursday or even Friday. Yup, agree. I cancelled Jersey and re-routed through Chicago. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: WayAbvPar on October 26, 2012, 06:44:56 PM Well, this is all very appropriate. My class Monday and Tuesday is simulated training for what to do if a disaster hits our embassy. :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real:Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 26, 2012, 11:06:47 PM New York City wine bar/restaurant. I'm looking to build a sake brewery/restaurant in the BA sometime in the next 24 months, just need to find the real estate and a few other things. I do own a house in Palo Alto though.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sheepherder on October 27, 2012, 02:21:02 AM However; in this day and age I'm surprised people are relying on landlines instead of cell phones, which work unless the tower goes down. They have their own generators for these situations, don't they? Towers go down within minutes of any major incident. Turns out they're not equipped to handle simultaneous transmission of data from every human being in a five kilometer radius after all. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Numtini on October 27, 2012, 06:22:53 AM Quote However; in this day and age I'm surprised people are relying on landlines instead of cell phones, She actually had put in the comcast "land line" because "landlines work when there's no power." :awesome_for_real: In addition to any battery backup on comcast only working for a few hours, after a certain amount of time, the lines themselves go down. We have generators in our buildings and during Irene sometime during the night without power, comcast went dead on the poles. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: schild on October 27, 2012, 07:23:01 AM Boss wanted me to fly into New York on Monday to have a meeting with the board. I emailed them back and told them to keep the $450 for the flight and buy water. New York is about to be in the shit.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Strazos on October 27, 2012, 07:40:11 AM Ugh, I'm not going to have much of a choice - in Greensboro today, supposed to be in NJ/PHL Tuesday to see family, and back to WASHDC on Sunday for another week off stuff before going back to Benin... :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: JWIV on October 27, 2012, 08:15:08 AM It's cool yall, it's only a tropical storm now. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on October 27, 2012, 08:45:25 AM No, it's a hurricane again. :ye_gods:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: JWIV on October 27, 2012, 10:08:22 AM No, it's a hurricane again. :ye_gods: Oh good. Glad I didn't buy that case of Boh for nothing then. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Chimpy on October 27, 2012, 10:21:04 AM No, it's a hurricane again. :ye_gods: This seems fitting then: http://xkcd.com/1126/ Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on October 27, 2012, 12:33:03 PM No, it's a hurricane again. :ye_gods: Oh good. Glad I didn't buy that case of Boh for nothing then. :awesome_for_real: Oh well, thank god that you didn't waste a case of Boh while the entirety of the east coast of the US is flattened and all our loved ones are smushed. Including the cats! Dammit. I don't even know what Boh is. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: JWIV on October 27, 2012, 01:19:29 PM It's pretty much the cheap beer of choice in Baltimore. National Bohemian.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Phildo on October 27, 2012, 01:23:00 PM Creepy one-eyed mascot.
Looking forward to a few days off work, I suppose. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 27, 2012, 10:58:29 PM I dont think people are grasping the surge potential of this thing... including Bloomberg. :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Numtini on October 28, 2012, 07:09:17 AM 70mph gusts here on Cape Cod. Crews dispersed all over the coast When it goes off, it's going to be a very long time indeed until our power comes back on.
This is really going to stink. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 28, 2012, 07:27:01 AM Windy, but otherwise mild at the moment here. Got all the water, food and booze we need, plus the UPS is primed and ready to kick in when and if the power goes out. Gonna make one last run for doughnuts.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sir T on October 28, 2012, 10:06:36 AM My brother is in New York. He's not going to be able to get home as they are shutting down the subway at 7pm, so he is staying in the hotel where he works tonight.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 28, 2012, 10:17:10 AM We're telling everyone to stay home for the next day or two. No public transit means no one's getting anywhere easily. The supermarket downstairs looks like the last chopper out of Saigon right now.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Venkman on October 28, 2012, 10:24:33 AM Yea I just told my east coast team to stay home. Of course, staying home and "taking the day off" are no longer the same thing. But it does mean more work for my west coast folks when we inevitably lose power. One of the politicians in RI last year said that Hurricane Irene basically proved our infrastructure can handle up to 39mph winds, because at 40, everything fell apart for 3-7 days.
And seriously, this storm's path (http://www.weather.com/maps/news/atlstorm18/projectedpath_large.html) is absolutey bananas, not to mention it's so large everyone east of Indiana is gonna get a piece of it. It's looking like it'll kinda orbiting MA, CT and RI. But we'll get wind and surge anyway. You can't make this shit up. This might be the first legitimate "storm of the century" since the last one in '91: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: taolurker on October 28, 2012, 10:26:54 AM Friend of mine was saying that grocery stores were mobbed yesterday, and wanted to go there today. There's likely to be very little on the shelves and tons of people still out shopping. Winds already gusting to 30mph here in Central NJ. Christie also made his announcement about 2 miles from me about the State of Emergency.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Venkman on October 28, 2012, 10:40:23 AM Bloomberg just ordered an evac and school closures (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2012/10/ny-mayor-bloomberg-orders-zone-a-evacuation-school-closures-in-advance-of-hurr) for southern Brooklyn, both Staten Island coasts and lower Manahatten (and the opposite Brooklyn sure).
RI and MA near us are largely out of common batteries, bottled water, and bread now. Generators were gone by mid last week. Halloween is going to suck for the kids this year, but we've resolved to have it as long as it's safe, or move it to next weekend if not. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: luckton on October 28, 2012, 11:51:39 AM *sits back on the beach of the Gulf of Mexico drinking a mojito*
Ya'll have fun with that hurricane. I'll catch ya on the flip side. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on October 28, 2012, 12:41:23 PM I'm getting kind of worried. Nearly everyone I love is smack in the middle of this hurricane. Even my cats. :ye_gods:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Miasma on October 28, 2012, 03:32:02 PM Bloomberg just ordered an evac and school closures (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2012/10/ny-mayor-bloomberg-orders-zone-a-evacuation-school-closures-in-advance-of-hurr) for southern Brooklyn, both Staten Island coasts and lower Manahatten (and the opposite Brooklyn sure). The last time he did that it wound up being nothing but a light drizzle.Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Venkman on October 28, 2012, 05:02:46 PM I'll take it. So far the path hasn't started veering to the north nor northwest yet (scheduled for overnight), so maybe we'll get lucky.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 28, 2012, 08:05:00 PM Bloomberg just ordered an evac and school closures (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2012/10/ny-mayor-bloomberg-orders-zone-a-evacuation-school-closures-in-advance-of-hurr) for southern Brooklyn, both Staten Island coasts and lower Manahatten (and the opposite Brooklyn sure). The last time he did that it wound up being nothing but a light drizzle.Last time he had a smaller storm that went through the carolina outer banks before brushing his city. This time bigger storm, more surge potential, and no cape protection. Not to mention a system that's going to be deepening instead of weakening. Good luck with that NYC. By the way... in Lauderdale it surged out the beaches TODAY - and the storm was 600nm+ away. This is not simple cat. 1 scenario. Anyways, 2nd biggest storm in like the last 60 yrs. Deepest storm at this latitude since the Long Island Express. There's so much meteorological nergasming over this thing it's insane. Yah yah, life and property... blah blah. But my god Nature if frakkin wicked sometimes eh? I kinda can't wait to watch the carnage. :popcorn: Good luck all. edit: btw, they're predicting near 12ft at the Battery. :ye_gods: Find some good USGS streamflow data if you wanna follow the surge and river heights. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Rendakor on October 28, 2012, 08:09:55 PM We stocked up on water, batteries, etc. here in southern NJ; after how crazy/stressed everyone around here has been because of this, I just want it to be over.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Teleku on October 28, 2012, 08:20:01 PM Welp, looks like I get to stay home tomorrow. Disaster training has been canceled due to the impending disaster.
I went to the super market to get some supplies. All the water, flashlights, and batteries were sold out already, so I got several 6 packs of beer instead. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Khaldun on October 28, 2012, 08:20:17 PM Had a dinner party tonight, in Phila suburbs. Anybody coming from more than 15 minutes away cancelled. Which turns out to have been unnecessary for tonight at least--it's pretty mellow so far, but then the fucker is still down by Virginia. Spent most of the morning mucking out our gutters, mulching leaves and getting all our Halloween decorations down except the glowing skeleton that's sitting on a metal frame I pounded 4 feet into the ground. If Frankenstorm can pull that up, we're all fucked anyway, so who cares at that point.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sky on October 28, 2012, 08:30:18 PM I'm five hours from the coast and people cleared the market shelves of staples, batteries, flashlights, etc. I got a chuckle out of it. Are these people prepping for the apocalypse? Don't you have flashlights and batteries in your house?
I used to live in the country, power could go out for a week. It was a normal thing, you just roll with it. City people funny. Also, just put up 2/3rds this winter's wood, so the house will be nice and toasty. Almost hope the power does go out, it'll be a nice romantic evening or three, play some guitar around the fireplace, read to candlelight. Schools are a half-day tomorrow, but the library is open :oh_i_see: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 28, 2012, 08:31:57 PM Johns Hopkins outage models are conservatively predicting 11 million people w/o power.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 28, 2012, 09:54:44 PM If this is a fizzer it's going to wreck warnings forever.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Trippy on October 28, 2012, 09:58:23 PM Stay safe out there.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: 01101010 on October 29, 2012, 06:02:15 AM (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33271127/butitsaprius.jpg)
Caught this on MSNBC. Not sure what this person is expecting... I love watching people around here (Pittsburgh, mind you) overreact as though the world is ending and crushing the markets. People around here seem to need something to panic about... Living in the South on or near the coast, I gotta say people up north seem to think hurricanes and storm surges and everything that comes with it are damn near end of days in severity. Worst storm I went through, we lost power for a week. Even then, stores were open in two days since commercial zones take priority in power restoration - gas stations, markets, gov't buildings. I guess the media has to have something to spin up the masses into a frenzy... but back in the real world, yeah. There will be damage from wind and water, power will be out, there will be flooding. Within a week, shit will have passed, things will have settled, and people will clean up and move on. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Numtini on October 29, 2012, 06:19:21 AM Quote Living in the South on or near the coast, I gotta say people up north seem to think hurricanes and storm surges and everything that comes with it are damn near end of days in severity. The emergency planning aspect here is that we haven't had a severe hurricane since Bob in 1991, so we are expecting that any significant storm will cause havoc on power because we have 20 years of tree growth to be blown over onto power lines, not to mention 20 years of development to be washed out to sea. We also have 20 years of forgetfulness about reasonable preparedness. A few years ago they jacked up the rates on insurance after Katrina and people were up in arms because, and I quote, "Cape Cod doesn't get hurricanes." Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Nazrat on October 29, 2012, 06:20:16 AM (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33271127/butitsaprius.jpg) Caught this on MSNBC. Not sure what this person is expecting... I love watching people around here (Pittsburgh, mind you) overreact as though the world is ending and crushing the markets. People around here seem to need something to panic about... Living in the South on or near the coast, I gotta say people up north seem to think hurricanes and storm surges and everything that comes with it are damn near end of days in severity. Worst storm I went through, we lost power for a week. Even then, stores were open in two days since commercial zones take priority in power restoration - gas stations, markets, gov't buildings. I guess the media has to have something to spin up the masses into a frenzy... but back in the real world, yeah. There will be damage from wind and water, power will be out, there will be flooding. Within a week, shit will have passed, things will have settled, and people will clean up and move on. They have a generator. That gas is going to keep some of their home powered for a week. Living near Beaumont, TX, that is less than my normal stack of gas during hurricane season. For Ike, we were out of power for almost 10 days. We used the generator to power the fridge and freezer. Every night, we would power up a TV and watch a DVD with the kids after we used our propane grill to cook dinner. Some of y'all have not experienced the entire infrastructure laying on the ground for weeks. It is not fun. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: luckton on October 29, 2012, 06:22:48 AM How the small towns and fringe areas of the NE are right now.
(http://i.imgur.com/eNm1E.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: schild on October 29, 2012, 06:30:24 AM Living in the South on or near the coast, I gotta say people up north seem to think hurricanes and storm surges and everything that comes with it are damn near end of days in severity. Worst storm I went through, we lost power for a week. Even then, stores were open in two days since commercial zones take priority in power restoration - gas stations, markets, gov't buildings. I guess the media has to have something to spin up the masses into a frenzy... but back in the real world, yeah. There will be damage from wind and water, power will be out, there will be flooding. Within a week, shit will have passed, things will have settled, and people will clean up and move on. Back in the last major hurricane I experienced on the east coast, I lost power for 3 weeks. Didn't bother taking any precautions, did just fine. But I ended up quitting Star Wars: Galaxies because it got patched twice and I had no clue what was going on when I got back. So, grats on only losing power for one week I guess?Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: luckton on October 29, 2012, 06:38:28 AM Apparently a 1960 replica of the HMS Bounty has been sunk by the storm. A few people are missing, a dozen or so abandoned ship prior to sinking.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on October 29, 2012, 06:48:40 AM Apparently a 1960 replica of the HMS Bounty has been sunk by the storm. A few people are missing, a dozen or so abandoned ship prior to sinking. I was just reading about that. You'd think one of the first things people on a boat would do during a hurricane warning is leave. I didn't know that there was anyone left on it to go missing. :( My sister has a generator now, but several years ago she and my brother in law had to take turns living in their cars with the heat on for a week or so. One of their rescued animals is an Iguana and would have died. They didn't rescue it from someone's cold cellar to let it die in a storm. She's also very worried about the animals at the wildlife shelter she works at because there's still a few too many to bring all of them indoors. I'm sure they'll find the room if they absolutely have to, but it's a little scary at the moment. You can't really stack raccoons on top of foxes on top of otters. Unfortunately, I'm a psycho-worrier so I'm just worried about everyone and everything everywhere all the time. :ye_gods: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: luckton on October 29, 2012, 06:59:20 AM The storm just blew my in-law's laptop into the ocean.
Now there's a Dell rolling in the deep. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 07:15:41 AM Apparently a 1960 replica of the HMS Bounty has been sunk by the storm. A few people are missing, a dozen or so abandoned ship prior to sinking. Yah, that's sad. Was a national monument in some regards. Their captain should be arrested for even being out in that stuff. Reminds me of the Phantome (barefoot cruises) dabocle. I'm seeing reports that the tides are essentially not going out, and the storm is still 12 hours out. There is so much water being pushed by this thing that it's likely to go through 3 tide cycles before actually starting to recede. The news has been caught up in this 8pm high tide (fixating on the center) and the reality is it's not gonna matter in a storm of this size. Interesting scenario we have possibly playing out now is also with regard to Long Island Sound and Manhattan. The way the storm is setting up, the sound will see huge surge from easterlies that'll have nowhere to go but the East River. Simultaneously the Hudson surges from the Sandy Hook side as the center gets closer. All that water has just about nowhere to go but Manhattan. Irene's angle of attack was such that this scenario couldn't play out; no such luck with this one. Met-geeks call it a "pincer" scenario, similar to what happened with Katrina and Lake Ponch. vs the GoM. The Slosh models are accounting for this though so I dont expect surprises. 12ft is as high as it should go. Here's a cool gif comparison with Irene: (http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/183nh9nrdolo3gif/original.gif) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: luckton on October 29, 2012, 07:53:50 AM Reports and photos coming in that Atlantic City is underwater. Hope someone saved granny from the slot machines.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: bhodi on October 29, 2012, 08:47:03 AM AC is underwater. Ocean City boardwalk is gone.
It's a bit windy outside in NoVA but that's it so far! Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 09:10:30 AM This is now a 90mph storm still-strengthening storm (they're gonna have to update the slosh models because of this). The thermodynamics at play here may be a bit stronger than they expected (it's now a hybrid tropical/baroclinic storm), so we may now be lookin at a minimal cat. 2 sub 940mb storm slamming the NE. Shit just got real. Because of the atmospheric conditions those strongest winds seem to still be about 100mi SW of the center too. So, if we get atlantic city landfall Washington D.C./Baltimore may see 'cane force. Model guidance is saying those winds will likely spread to the northern semicircle and cluster a tad closer to the eye though once she starts accelerating to the NW (which adds momentum to the upwind side of the storm). What a clusterfuck. smh
Definitely a relative superstorm. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 09:12:58 AM Battery Park is flooding now (just saw pics). :uhrr:
Red Hook is already underwater. And things arent even bad yet. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on October 29, 2012, 09:22:28 AM Pic of NYC sky a couple of hours ago.
(http://i.imgur.com/6GQ9E.jpg) Scary and awesome looking. Wish it was a better shot but someone did it from their mobile. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Pennilenko on October 29, 2012, 09:34:34 AM I live in southwest Florida. Been here for long enough to ride out many hurricanes.
I have watched many interviews and commentary from regular people living all over the northern east coast. I have to say it scares me how little those people respect a storm like this. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 09:38:58 AM Show them this satellite loop and maybe it'll change their minds. No joke, it looks like something from "Day after Tomorrow."
http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/templates/loop_directory.asp?data_folder=dev/lindsey/loops/goes14&image_width=1020&image_height=720&number_of_images_to_display=50 Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: schild on October 29, 2012, 09:55:20 AM My CFO decided not to leave Long Island.
I told him to beware the terror that rides the clouds. Having been through multiple shitty shitty hurricanes, these people just have absolutely no fucking clue what's about to happen to them. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Pennilenko on October 29, 2012, 09:58:36 AM They really have no clue. I have seen pictures taken within the last hour along the jersey coast with people looking out their windows seeing other people looking out their windows, and no ground showing anymore, water already up to the bottom of their doors. I wonder if some of them are even aware that they might die. I mean water is already at their front door and nothing is going to stop wave action because its literally open sea up to their front door.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on October 29, 2012, 10:06:05 AM They really have no clue. I have seen pictures taken within the last hour along the jersey coast with people looking out their windows seeing other people looking out their windows, and no ground showing anymore, water already up to the bottom of their doors. I wonder if some of them are even aware that they might die. I mean water is already at their front door and nothing is going to stop wave action because its literally open sea up to their front door. They are not aware. Many probably see this as a little flooding and nothing more. People don't respect a force of nature they haven't encountered themselves and only have an abstract understanding of. "Oh, the weather people stand outside in these all the time, it's no big deal," is probably their main line of thinking. I laugh-off the rampant Tornado fear here because they're so damn infrequent they don't justify the tizzy of interrupted television and radio warnings for any severe thunderstorm. Doesn't mean I won't head for a sheltered corner when there's an actual sighting within a few miles of me or I see a funnel cloud on the horizon. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: luckton on October 29, 2012, 10:11:45 AM Meanwhile, in Connecticut...
(http://i.imgur.com/z4pqs.png) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Teleku on October 29, 2012, 10:22:15 AM It's just rainy and a bit windy in DC right now. I always miss out on all the fun!
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: WayAbvPar on October 29, 2012, 10:22:35 AM Meanwhile, in Connecticut... (http://i.imgur.com/z4pqs.png) I knew those things were dangerous! Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 10:36:25 AM It's not as much the storm itself that sucks, but the aftermath. You think it's cool at first - all pretend camping and what-not. Then by the 3rd day you want to labotomize yourself from frustration. People with the resources just end up leaving, people without have to stay and suffer.
Jersey shore is basically a write-off already. Kiss it goodbye for a while. I've never seen flooding this bad with a storm that far away before. People that stayed out there will have to ride it out and then likely be stuck for quite a while. The flooding wont be that much of a forecast surprise but it's quite possible the winds in this thing still may catch people off guard. I dont think NHC quite has a handle on that aspect yet; the planes are having to fly 1000's of miles in/around this storm to get a handle on it. And given the building codes up there arent set for 940mb hurricanes, it's quite possible we will see some needless deaths from building failures. A lot of them. You see 100mph? kiss your northern-coded OSHA roof goodbye. It's just rainy and a bit windy in DC right now. I always miss out on all the fun! Sandy has 100mph gusts displaced about 100mi SW from the center. Center comes in at the Delaware... you any good at Geography? Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: JWIV on October 29, 2012, 10:46:00 AM Just snagged this pic from the house a few doors down from me.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SDEl085GJII/UI7AFDPGboI/AAAAAAAAJkY/erbhwSVjlp8/s665/IMG_20121029_131527.jpg) And just because, a boring vid of the waterfront. Sadly the slight wind moaning didn't really get picked up. http://youtu.be/aGChgYnG_q8 Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on October 29, 2012, 11:00:01 AM You see 100mph? kiss your northern-coded OSHA roof goodbye. When Ike tore through here we didn't see many roof losses and our design load is only 90mph in the Midwest. Shingles, siding and poorly-secured trim, absolutely. These houses were all built after '79 or so, however. My sister's place, built in 1979 so it didn't have hurricane ties, had some uplift issues but it didn't tear the roof off. Anything built using one of the ICCs will be OK as the entirety of the East Coast has a required windspeed design minimum of at least 100mph. Long island is 110 on the west, hitting 120 min on the east coast. So long as folks were building responsibly they'll be ok. Even those buildings 100+ years old might be ok provided people haven't sealed the attic up and turned it in to a giant kite with no tie-down to the foundation. What I'm going to be interested in is what happens to the Skyscrapers. They're designed for some pretty significant gusts and the 120mph load. You're still going to lose bits. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Teleku on October 29, 2012, 11:06:46 AM Sandy has 100mph gusts displaced about 100mi SW from the center. Center comes in at the Delaware... you any good at Geography? I'm an American. Is that a trick question?Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: schild on October 29, 2012, 11:42:01 AM Sandy is such a weird way to spell Schadenfreude.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Fabricated on October 29, 2012, 12:29:46 PM firstworldproblems.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/d713z.png) (http://i.imgur.com/DQqK8.png) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Khaldun on October 29, 2012, 12:29:58 PM The eyewall is basically going to go straight over our house in about four hours or so--it's coming up through Delaware just south of Philly and then onward to Lancaster before it begins a northward turn. Wind is picking up and gusting much more dramatically than even an hour ago. Watching our trees with some considerable anxiety.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 12:43:42 PM Cool webcam that wont last much longer:
http://fagers.com/sandycams.html Some photos from an amateur met site (mostly Jersey): http://canetalk.com/2012/10/1351540387.shtml http://canetalk.com/2012/10/1351541917_1351540387.shtml http://canetalk.com/2012/10/1351540455_1351540387.shtml Conclusion: Jersey shore is gone. Luckily the season is over anyways. Sandy has 100mph gusts displaced about 100mi SW from the center. Center comes in at the Delaware... you any good at Geography? I'm an American. Is that a trick question?Quote HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 175 MILES...280 KM... MAINLY SOUTHWEST OF THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 485 MILES...780 KM. SUSTAINED WINDS TO TROPICAL STORM FORCE ARE OCCURRING FROM SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND THROUGH LONG ISLAND AND LONG ISLAND SOUND... Quote HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS ARE EXPECTED ALONG PORTIONS OF THE COAST BETWEEN CHINCOTEAGUE VIRGINIA AND CHATHAM MASSACHUSETTS. THIS INCLUDES THE TIDAL POTOMAC FROM COBB ISLAND TO SMITH POINT... THE MIDDLE AND UPPER CHESAPEAKE BAY...DELAWARE BAY...AND THE COASTS OF THE NORTHERN DELMARVA PENINSULA...NEW JERSEY...THE NEW YORK CITY AREA...LONG ISLAND...CONNECTICUT...AND RHODE ISLAND. Still feel oh so safe? :awesome_for_real: Comparatively, take that derecho this summer and make it last say 6hrs. Yah, you'll be fine. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: schild on October 29, 2012, 01:02:21 PM Jersey Shore? Destroyed?
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/39720/animated%20gifs/mj6oO.gif) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: luckton on October 29, 2012, 01:03:49 PM Jersey Shore? Destroyed? Is anyone hoping that it DOESN'T get destroyed? Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Soln on October 29, 2012, 01:05:49 PM thank you for that
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: schild on October 29, 2012, 01:09:13 PM In case I run for political office in the future, the previous post has been removed on the offchance New York is still a place.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ingmar on October 29, 2012, 01:28:34 PM Jersey Shore? Destroyed? Is anyone hoping that it DOESN'T get destroyed? Yes? I know this is ha ha Snookie stuff, but there's a lot more there than just the 250 feet of boardwalk where the show takes place, and parts of it are really great. (Cape May comes to mind.) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: luckton on October 29, 2012, 01:30:21 PM But think of the greater good!
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 01:30:36 PM Jersey Shore? Destroyed? Is anyone hoping that it DOESN'T get destroyed? Yes? I know this is ha ha Snookie stuff, but there's a lot more there than just the 250 feet of boardwalk where the show takes place, and parts of it are really great. (Cape May comes to mind.) I had an anti-NYC post I deleted a few days ago where I pretty much said fuck NYC but save my Cape May please. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Venkman on October 29, 2012, 01:37:04 PM I have watched many interviews and commentary from regular people living all over the northern east coast. I have to say it scares me how little those people respect a storm like this. It's because they're usually once a generation things up here. Meanwhile, Virgina completely shut down when they got an inch of snow a few years back, and for that shit we're prepared by September. Unless you're one of the folks like my buddy who got transferred from California and was wondering why there was this strange looking brush in the back seat :awesome_for_real: Also, Snopes out looking for the fake photos (http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/10/instasnopes-sorting-the-real-sandy-photos-from-the-fakes/264243/#.UI7kxWxFFGk.facebook) the media is running because apparently the real storm isn't Day After Tomorrow enough. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 29, 2012, 01:39:58 PM James River Bridge, VA.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1725660/JamesRiverBridge.jpg) For Comparison: (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3472/3961299642_2c58aeabf8.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 29, 2012, 01:44:35 PM What will be the tallest building in midtown has a crane that wasn't battened down and is probably going to fall from 90 stories some time before the storm is over.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6ZkSmGCEAAZMN5.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: MisterNoisy on October 29, 2012, 01:47:22 PM Jesus. That's going to be a hell of a mess when it lets go.
Good luck to everyone in the path. :( Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sky on October 29, 2012, 01:48:33 PM wondering why there was this strange looking brush in the back seat ...and shovel, first aid kits, box-o-warm (gloves/hats/scarves/jackets/shirts/snowpants/misc warm packs), boots, snack packs, etc....Mostly a holdover from when I drove unreliable vehicles, but hey. Why not.Loks like it's getting up to the brooklyn bridge http://aws1.earthcam.com/?c=bb Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Evildrider on October 29, 2012, 02:01:44 PM Nature has a weird sense of humor. I mean, if you are going to destroy the Jersey shore couldn't you have done it 5 seasons ago.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Trippy on October 29, 2012, 02:06:32 PM Also this upcoming season 6 is the show's last season.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: ghost on October 29, 2012, 02:11:04 PM That's more prophetic than the Mayan calendar.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on October 29, 2012, 02:13:44 PM What will be the tallest building in midtown has a crane that wasn't battened down and is probably going to fall from 90 stories some time before the storm is over. Officemate just shared that pic with me and we read up on it a bit. The crane apparently has been shut-down a few times for violations and improper setup. Guess cheap and sleazy finally bit someone in the ass. Unfortunately the buildings surrounding it are only 7-ish stories tall, so if it falls in one piece it's going to wreck something pretty hardcore. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Goumindong on October 29, 2012, 02:24:43 PM firstworldproblems.jpg Someone should tell her to not worry. In event that her house is destroyed (and not covered by insurance) her father can write the loss off and reduce his tax burden! Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Trippy on October 29, 2012, 02:31:03 PM What will be the tallest building in midtown has a crane that wasn't battened down and is probably going to fall from 90 stories some time before the storm is over. Officemate just shared that pic with me and we read up on it a bit. The crane apparently has been shut-down a few times for violations and improper setup. Guess cheap and sleazy finally bit someone in the ass. Unfortunately the buildings surrounding it are only 7-ish stories tall, so if it falls in one piece it's going to wreck something pretty hardcore. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Kail on October 29, 2012, 02:33:43 PM You would think a tower being built for billionaires wouldn't cut that many corners. [scroogeMcDuck] How do ya think they got to BE billionaires? [/scroogeMcDuck] Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on October 29, 2012, 02:39:22 PM If you knew the amount of corners people cut you'd be as glad as I am that there's a 10x factor of safety in proper engineering designs.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Furiously on October 29, 2012, 03:08:41 PM Don't the foxes go on top?
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Simond on October 29, 2012, 03:16:25 PM Pic of NYC sky a couple of hours ago. Subcreatures! Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, the Traveler, has come! Choose and perish!(http://i.imgur.com/6GQ9E.jpg) Scary and awesome looking. Wish it was a better shot but someone did it from their mobile. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Numtini on October 29, 2012, 03:36:06 PM And bye bye to power here on cape cod
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on October 29, 2012, 03:38:21 PM My sister just said bye bye from near Philly because the lights are starting to flicker.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Der Helm on October 29, 2012, 03:39:27 PM Good luck guys!
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Venkman on October 29, 2012, 03:43:05 PM Except for commercial breaks, it's been four hours since I saw election coverage. And I'm happier for it. :-)
Power flicked in my area. And some people in the same town lost power a few hours ago. So far we've been lucky. Definitely buying a generator after this though, even if I only need it as often as my snowblower :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 03:59:41 PM Most of my feeds are showing people really now starting to go dark. I had a report of 80mph on Long Island - winds shifting more southerly now; then power gone. There's one vector of storm over Long Island thats really causing a lot of problems and it's this one that'll hit NYC real hard overnight, both with wind and surge (driving whatever water has built up right into the Hudson). Backside is real dry but windy it seems - till she gets ashore and the energy gets transferred to precip. Then it's a 3-day deluge.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: luckton on October 29, 2012, 04:16:34 PM And this is just a Cat 1. Imagine the horror of a well organized Cat 3+ :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Rendakor on October 29, 2012, 04:20:43 PM Lights are still on here in south NJ; had to go out in the mess to get some branches out of our rain gutters but other than that it's pretty tame here so far. Raining steadily and windy, but not as bad as Irene last year.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Trippy on October 29, 2012, 04:44:37 PM No longer a hurricane. Still packing 85 mph winds. Eye about to reach landfall.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 04:51:00 PM King's Point has gone past 12ft of residual tide (this basically means the tide went out, but the water didnt) and Sandy Hook is around 8.5ft of residual tide now with the strongest onshore flow yet to come. :ye_gods:
As I've expressed before, the tide many times wont go out in storms like this. The water stays piled up until the next cycle. So basically the water you see now will be in part excess of the next high tide cycle's range. All this with the bulk of the storm's surge (which always trails an accelerating circulation) yet to reach the coast. For comparison, the historical high at king's point was a touch under 10ft. It's near 13ft now at low tide. If you're interested in following these tidal streamflows (the non-parsed sites are all slammed): http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/quicklook/data/SANDY.html#8516945wl Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Khaldun on October 29, 2012, 05:13:35 PM We still have power. Winds are roaring. Radar shows the eye is moving past Philly, I think, but the winds are still pretty fierce. Most people around us have lost power--our side of the street is still hanging on for some reason.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Trippy on October 29, 2012, 05:20:37 PM We still have power. Winds are roaring. Radar shows the eye is moving past Philly, I think, but the winds are still pretty fierce. Most people around us have lost power--our side of the street is still hanging on for some reason. Hope you have some long extension cords :awesome_for_real:Back in 1997 when a huge storm hit the Bay Area there was a similar situation where in some areas one side of the street had power and the other side did not. In some of these places people ran extensions cords across the road to provide power to their neighbors. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 05:48:19 PM Hoboken is now part of the Hudson. :awesome_for_real: Still goin up quickly too. 13.54total, 8.82 residual.
(http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/quicklook/data/plots/8518750wl.png) Lower East Side. (might be fake) (http://p.twimg.com/A6aV_lzCAAEF1qV.jpg#twimg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 06:00:44 PM And there we have it. Battery underwater. Still rising.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8334/8136873915_a99009061a_o.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Numtini on October 29, 2012, 06:05:58 PM The wind went dead quiet about half an hour ago. Still no power but the power companys page shows outages going down not up in town.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 29, 2012, 06:15:08 PM (http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6aji3ICQAEXukj.jpg)
From this guy somewhere in NYC: http://twitter.com/Timcast Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 06:25:11 PM Lower NYC is officially flooding.
http://instagram.com/p/RYuVQVG6mq/ http://instagram.com/p/RYnio1s6gf/ http://instagram.com/p/RYnABRRiEo/ Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 29, 2012, 06:58:40 PM Massive explosion believed to be a transformer at the Con Ed Plant, E14th and FDR. This is what took out the power.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAqYZ433TeQ#! (at about 0:25 secs) More: http://gothamist.com/2012/10/29/lower_manhattan_loses_power_after_p.php (http://gothamist.com/attachments/byakas/102912blue.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 06:59:42 PM Brooklyn Battery Tunnel Flooded <video> (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50134146n)
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 07:15:27 PM (http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6awWIaCUAAZOwm.jpg)
Photo is confirmed real. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 29, 2012, 07:18:51 PM Photo is confirmed real. That's usually a statement attached to fake photos. Perhaps best to say why. It was distributed on the Associated Press wire, which probably means it's real. Just like this one. (http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6a8pqfCAAE2man.png) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Jherad on October 29, 2012, 07:56:23 PM I'm in gloucester county south jersey, and my neighbourhood has been without power for about 4 hours now. Eye of the storm passed us a while ago, and the wind is pretty nasty now. All kinds of crap flying around outside. Luckily the dog is only a little skittish. Cat couldn't give a damn :grin:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Teleku on October 29, 2012, 07:56:53 PM Still have power here. It briefly flickered off a few hours back, but came back on. Weather is actually a little better than it was before. Still no real high winds.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: JWIV on October 29, 2012, 08:15:01 PM Just loaned my dehumidifier to a neighbor, since his roof decided that keeping out water was hard. We've been incredibly lucky so far in this storm here in Baltimore - a lot of wind and water, but nothing like further north.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 29, 2012, 08:31:03 PM HMS Bounty replica sinks - coast guard pic (http://twitpic.com/b8nd39).
(http://i48.tinypic.com/29yjabr.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Morat20 on October 29, 2012, 08:31:21 PM I'm in gloucester county south jersey, and my neighbourhood has been without power for about 4 hours now. Eye of the storm passed us a while ago, and the wind is pretty nasty now. All kinds of crap flying around outside. Luckily the dog is only a little skittish. Cat couldn't give a damn :grin: When Ike went through, parts of Houston were out of power for two+ weeks. Given how big Sandy is, you guys might be facing a similar problem. Just too much landscape, even with the giant caravans of trucks and equipments that started heading to the coast days ago. NYC might come up pretty quick, but anywhere else is looking at critical locations first (gas, groceries, shelters) first, and then everyone else slowly over days. It looks bad, and I'm worried about how many people didn't take this seriously. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Selby on October 29, 2012, 08:34:47 PM Massive explosion believed to be a transformer at the Con Ed Plant, E14th and FDR. This is what took out the power. Looks like a pretty large transformer either failed under load or was breached by water and thus failed.Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 29, 2012, 09:21:37 PM Breached by water. One of my guys lives about three blocks from there and it wigged the shit out of him when it happened.
I've been iMessaging my teams for the past 48 hours, some are in the dark, most aren't. No one's under water or forced out of their homes, thankfully. All are probably drunk though. I've had a few light blinks here and there, but I still have power. Manhattan is dark below 38th street. Parts of lower Manhattan, parts of coastal Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Staten Island are under water. The Illuminati hub is very probably under water. We're still telling everyone to stay home 'til at least Thursday. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 29, 2012, 09:31:37 PM Guy out on his bicycle, downtown east side. (http://instagram.com/p/RZIqYwJtWk/)
(http://distilleryimage0.instagram.com/b77d6a9e224811e2ae2a22000a1f9723_7.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 29, 2012, 09:39:50 PM Whitehall Street. That's before the lights went out and really dumb. He's about 200 yards from the water.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Abagadro on October 29, 2012, 09:46:16 PM Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 29, 2012, 09:55:38 PM So what happens to these people w/o power when it dips into the 30's this weekend?
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Abagadro on October 29, 2012, 09:58:53 PM They seem to have pre-positioned a lot of stuff from outside of the affected area geared towards getting power back up. Since it is wind based (instead of ice based which is harder to deal with) hopefully they can make some good progress in short order.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 29, 2012, 10:08:52 PM (http://i.imgur.com/3DtTl.jpg)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2d2g7js.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 29, 2012, 10:10:26 PM The top picture's two blocks from where I grew up, Tale.
This is so far, my favorite shot. It's from the supermarket downstairs from me. (http://distilleryimage9.instagram.com/3889541421e411e2bf8b22000a1fb004_7.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Abagadro on October 29, 2012, 10:17:51 PM Heh. One of the reasons NYC is boss.
I really hope the emergency management folks have it together. I think they will do okay. I do a ton of emergency management stuff in my job but it is all egg-headed legal parsing of the Stafford Act and tabletop/simulated game planning. Facing the real deal is a whole other ball game. EM learned a lot from Katrina and hopefully collectively can deal with Sandy much better. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 29, 2012, 10:22:30 PM The top picture's two blocks from where I grew up, Tale. Do you know which stop it is? Al Jazeera journalist I got it from is asking: http://twitter.com/evanchill/status/263144150369701888 Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sjofn on October 29, 2012, 10:23:09 PM Jersey Shore? Destroyed? Is anyone hoping that it DOESN'T get destroyed? Me. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Abagadro on October 29, 2012, 10:23:40 PM One thing that worries me is that I was just at a conference last week where a guy from Queensland was talking about the "inland tsunami" they had last year. That is scary shit and is worse than the storm surge since it is so fast moving. I hope we don't see that kind of thing from this storm.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 29, 2012, 10:27:39 PM And another transformer just went up in Park Slope.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 29, 2012, 10:33:13 PM West Side Highway earlier - taken by the dude on the bicycle above. (http://instagram.com/p/RZPZiTJtZn)
(http://distilleryimage7.instagram.com/f0ba1e3a225011e2b8031231380fdee2_7.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 29, 2012, 11:12:45 PM Kind of amazed NYC does not have flood doors on its subways and tunnels.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: disKret on October 30, 2012, 12:00:05 AM Hospital evacuated cause of malfunctioning power generators? Is there no obligatory periodical tests of this shit in US?
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Strazos on October 30, 2012, 12:02:17 AM Welp, I guess I'm not going to the casinos this weekend.
I must have terrible travel luck this year - protests in Cairo and Israel nearly derail my vacation, I had to suffer through a 7 hour overnight flight in coach with a wailing child, and a freak hurricane is looking to ruin the 1 week I'm going to be home on leave in a 2-year period. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sjofn on October 30, 2012, 12:07:31 AM Kind of amazed NYC does not have flood doors on its subways and tunnels. It's not like this happens to them very often, and I don't know how much it would cost to retrofit it all (as the subway system itself is really old in some parts). I do know after Katrina the MTA did a bunch of "how fucked are we if something like that happened to us" whatnot. The answer was "pretty fucked!" I honestly don't know what they decided to do about it, as I haven't discussed that particular topic with my father for years now (he is so fucking glad he's retired now though, I tell you what). :P Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sir T on October 30, 2012, 12:22:13 AM Well I hope they have a way of draining the water out of the subway at least.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Khaldun on October 30, 2012, 04:05:06 AM The NYC subway system has a network of pumps, some of them 75 years old and on the verge of failing on a normal day, that pump water out of the system every day, even when there's no rain. When there's rain, the pump system is always challenged and sometimes has to be kept working through heroic efforts by the people who maintain it. If the pumps have been damaged or ruined by being submerged, no, they don't have any way of getting the water out. Worst case scenario is that the subways won't be running for a very very long time.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on October 30, 2012, 04:12:37 AM Well, my idiot cousin who wouldn't evacuate from Sea Isle City was okay last I heard. He did lose a van though. He parked it at the fire station which is now under water. He's lucky he didn't lose a wife and four kids. Why did he not evacuate? Because he wanted to get a head start on the clean up. WHAT? It's one thing to take a chance yourself, but to risk your four children just makes me sick.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ironwood on October 30, 2012, 04:38:56 AM Yeah, that's retarded.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 30, 2012, 05:44:26 AM One thing that worries me is that I was just at a conference last week where a guy from Queensland was talking about the "inland tsunami" they had last year. That is scary shit and is worse than the storm surge since it is so fast moving. I hope we don't see that kind of thing from this storm. About 1000 people got trapped late last night when an inland berm blew out in Jersey (just west of hoboken). But that's the only type of that event I've heard. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Lantyssa on October 30, 2012, 06:51:27 AM http://instagram.com/p/RYnio1s6gf/ The Illuminati getting flooded out is no loss.Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Lantyssa on October 30, 2012, 07:00:38 AM Hospital evacuated cause of malfunctioning power generators? Is there no obligatory periodical tests of this shit in US? It's probably like when Allison hit Houston. The generators, being as heavy as they are, are located at ground level or in the basement. Water floods them, and they fail. They had been fine through countless hurricanes, but one storm of the century and a cascade failure happens. The entire hospital district here spent years and massive amounts of money elevating them to avoid that scenario in the future.Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Nebu on October 30, 2012, 07:03:36 AM You know, it's a sad fucking statement of Americans when the only way taxpayers will support the building of infrastructure is AFTER old technology has failed in a disaster.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sjofn on October 30, 2012, 07:14:50 AM Well, my idiot cousin who wouldn't evacuate from Sea Isle City was okay last I heard. He did lose a van though. He parked it at the fire station which is now under water. He's lucky he didn't lose a wife and four kids. Why did he not evacuate? Because he wanted to get a head start on the clean up. WHAT? It's one thing to take a chance yourself, but to risk your four children just makes me sick. Wow, glad they're alright. That is pretty dumb. No one in my family has any power, but otherwise they're all fine. So now I can be selfish and be annoyed this hurricane fucked up my plans to go visit them this week! Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 30, 2012, 07:19:09 AM You know, it's a sad fucking statement of Americans when the only way taxpayers will support the building of infrastructure is AFTER old technology has failed in a disaster. You think Florida is fucked up now? Imagine if hurricane Andrew never happened. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on October 30, 2012, 07:22:31 AM Hospital evacuated cause of malfunctioning power generators? Is there no obligatory periodical tests of this shit in US? Dude that costs money and requires justification to the bean counters at the insurance companies. Hospitals don't make a ton, it's the insurance companies that do. Not to disparage your family, Signe, but "get a head start on the cleanup" has always parsed as, "I want first dibs on looting" to me. When my grandparents lived in Florida, the people who actually did cleanup said, "I'm staying to protect my property after the storm." (usually while nodding to/ pointing at their guns.) You know, it's a sad fucking statement of Americans when the only way taxpayers will support the building of infrastructure is AFTER old technology has failed in a disaster. It's the only way we can justify it. Otherwise you're proving a negative. "Well it's been just fine so far!" "Because it hasn't been used to this extent, asshat. It's under-designed and woefully outdated." "Well bring me proof!" :oh_i_see: You know, it's a sad fucking statement of Americans when the only way taxpayers will support the building of infrastructure is AFTER old technology has failed in a disaster. You think Florida is fucked up now? Imagine if hurricane Andrew never happened. :awesome_for_real: Shitbunnies that's a frightening thought. Reminds me of the Colorado fires 5 or 6 years ago that prompted all the fire code changes and required house design changes. The sheer number of morons who rebuilt as fast as possible to avoid the protections afforded by those codes (and the "monumental" increase of $5k-$7 on a $350-$500k house) is staggering. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 30, 2012, 07:32:31 AM I'm not even talking about building codes or any of that. I'm just talking about generic shitholes turned moderately liveable. There is no greater example of this than post-Andrew Southern Miami-Dade and post-Katrina NOLA. Florida natives half-joke about this stuff but in reality we're serious. Gnasty storm comes in... "good, place needed to get cleaned up anyways. wipe it the fuck out."
Hurricanes are nature's way of cleansing tropical regions of garbage (underbrush, decrepid trees, weak shorelines, brown people :awesome_for_real:, etc.), to go along with heat transfer. Those rules dont change just because humans are there. Marketwise you get a gnasty bubble though once things are rebuilt. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Nebu on October 30, 2012, 07:36:30 AM So... Hurricanes are like a city etch-a-sketch?
You may be onto something. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 30, 2012, 08:35:57 AM Breezy Point in Far Rockaway looks like a scene out of Fallout. (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/30/article-2225108-15C2962C000005DC-250_964x624.jpg)
The wife's office building's emergency generator kicked in when the power went out, but only had enough gas to run for 10 hours, so that's still shot. Key points of the subway are still under water and the pumps are being run like demons. Metro North has a 40-foot boat across a track somewhere. The Brooklyn Battery and Lincoln Tunnels are still flooded. Andrew Cuomo is still dating Sandra Lee. My neighborhood is still eerily quiet for a Tuesday morning in Manhattan. Aaaaaand of course, Donald Trump survived. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Rendakor on October 30, 2012, 08:48:56 AM We lost power for an hour and a half this morning; I was more surprised when it came back on. Lots of local roads are still flooded but other than that we made it through intact here.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: 01101010 on October 30, 2012, 08:59:57 AM Hospital evacuated cause of malfunctioning power generators? Is there no obligatory periodical tests of this shit in US? It's probably like when Allison hit Houston. The generators, being as heavy as they are, are located at ground level or in the basement. Water floods them, and they fail. They had been fine through countless hurricanes, but one storm of the century and a cascade failure happens. The entire hospital district here spent years and massive amounts of money elevating them to avoid that scenario in the future.It's the Ford Pinto approach to cost vs. risk. :ye_gods: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 30, 2012, 09:05:41 AM These are MTA confirmed except for the Plaza Shop one, which came from Cuomo's instagram:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8192/8138451612_628a0718e8.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/8138451612/) Staten Island Railway's Clifton Shop After Sandy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/8138451612/) by MTAPhotos (http://www.flickr.com/people/mtaphotos/), on Flickr (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8044/8138463831_88a3ec7ef4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/8138463831/) MNR Croton Harmon Station (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/8138463831/) by MTAPhotos (http://www.flickr.com/people/mtaphotos/), on Flickr (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8056/8138561876_8852d7b806.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/8138561876/) Boat On Tracks At Ossining (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/8138561876/) by MTAPhotos (http://www.flickr.com/people/mtaphotos/), on Flickr Plaza Shops underwater. (http://instagram.com/p/RaNzEZJHfp/) In other news, I caught Christie's first interview and as expected he was a lot more transparent and hands-on than billionaire Bloomberg. Christie basically said, "whatever you're expecting to see of the aftermath at the Jersey Shore, it's a fuckton worse." Well maybe not said exactly like that. Anyways, by the end of the day we'll have some aerial shots. I expect the lower-lying areas of the shoreline (AC is actually fairly protected) to be pretty Galveston-like. Near total devastation; homes ripped off foundation et. al. The few photos of Cape May I've seen arent encouraging (restaurants I've been at were 4ft underwater), and that's the weak side of the storm where surge likely came in from the Bay side. Overall not a lot of info. coming out of the Jersey shore tbh. And that's never a good sign. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 30, 2012, 09:24:04 AM Think the cabs can take up the MTA's slack? Think again.
(http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-121025-hurricane-sandy/ss-121030-sandy-34.grid-9x2.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 30, 2012, 09:35:58 AM So that little trickle of water at the tunnel I showed you earlier? This is now.
(https://o.twimg.com/1/proxy.jpg?t=FQQVBBhMaHR0cDovL2Rpc3RpbGxlcnlpbWFnZTIuaW5zdGFncmFtLmNvbS9hMDJjMWU5YzIyOWYxMWUyYTlkNTIyMDAwYTFmYjE3ZF83LmpwZxQCFgASAA&s=Ddtx9qaAMOE8iJqTSHcHl3fUtpfuoW5oNmnUNS4MwUw) Posted by TIME Magazine. Will obviously make the article. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Soln on October 30, 2012, 11:47:35 AM But is her beach house safe? (reference (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=22709.msg1126872#msg1126872))
don't care if her beach house is safe Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: WayAbvPar on October 30, 2012, 12:27:16 PM So where are all the rats? You know those fuckers didn't drown, so now they are above ground and running loose. :ye_gods:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Samwise on October 30, 2012, 12:43:10 PM Plaza Shops underwater. (http://instagram.com/p/RaNzEZJHfp/) I had dinner there last time I was in NYC. Picturing the entire place being flooded now... that's nuts. :ye_gods: So where are all the rats? You know those fuckers didn't drown, so now they are above ground and running loose. :ye_gods: I'd bet they evacuated before the people did. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on October 30, 2012, 12:45:07 PM So where are all the rats? You know those fuckers didn't drown, so now they are above ground and running loose. :ye_gods: Coworker and I discussed that this morning. Our bet is they're now in the Bronx taking up new residence in places that didn't have a problem before. They'll expand rather than leave when the waters recede. Ditto with the roaches. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: luckton on October 30, 2012, 12:59:53 PM Beck was talking this morning about the potential number of people living in the subway tunnels and underground areas dying from the flooding.
My first reaction was "When the hell did conservatives start giving a fuck about the poor?" :why_so_serious: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Lantyssa on October 30, 2012, 01:10:00 PM When they have to smell them.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 30, 2012, 01:10:43 PM Yeah, the rats will be all over the Upper East Side and the drier parts of Manhattan as well as the North Bronx and central Brooklyn and Queens.
I just walked ten blocks to get a good espresso and had to deal with some bitch returning her cappuccino three times because it wasn't hot enough. Some rats stay right where they are. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sjofn on October 30, 2012, 03:17:34 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRAdgh9VH0o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRAdgh9VH0o)
Turn down your sound unless you love the sound of helicopter blades. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ingmar on October 30, 2012, 03:18:49 PM Well they got the sand part of Sandy right for sure.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 30, 2012, 05:23:24 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRAdgh9VH0o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRAdgh9VH0o) Turn down your sound unless you love the sound of helicopter blades. Another one - a bit shakycam, but lots of OMG - lots more damage and a burnt-out smoking ruined area: Another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLZ7DgeyHug (edit - fixed link) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 30, 2012, 05:33:11 PM And the unexpected/unassuming star of all of this, Bloomberg's ASL interpreter Lydia Callis.
(http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2012930/lydia2.gif) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Zephyr on October 30, 2012, 06:00:45 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRAdgh9VH0o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRAdgh9VH0o) Turn down your sound unless you love the sound of helicopter blades. I think I see my old apartment. When Hurricane Bonnie skirted up the coast in '98, it was close enough to cause the bay to rise up and meet the ocean down the middle of the island. I moved to Bound Brook the next year and got flooded by Floyd. Now I just have to worry about snow storms. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Trippy on October 30, 2012, 08:21:36 PM And the unexpected/unassuming star of all of this, Bloomberg's ASL interpreter Lydia Callis. She looks like the sister of that JW ASL interpreter whose "remix" video was making the rounds earlier. :awesome_for_real:(http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2012930/lydia2.gif) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ironwood on October 31, 2012, 03:39:20 AM Um, any reason ?
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on October 31, 2012, 04:41:30 AM Maybe she spelled something wrong?
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: luckton on October 31, 2012, 04:55:14 AM There are people that sign, and then there are people that sign, as in signing as though they were actually having a verbal conversation with you. Ms. Callis would be the latter. :drillf:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 31, 2012, 06:11:45 AM There are people that sign, and then there are people that sign, as in signing as though they were actually having a verbal conversation with you. Ms. Callis would be the latter. :drillf: That. From the facial expressions to the body language, she's kind of mesmerizing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvaEV_5FJRs&feature=youtu.be Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Strazos on October 31, 2012, 06:36:12 AM That's actually pretty awesome, how she's giving physical expressions to the speakers' tones - they're conveying the same things, but she's acting it out more.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Lantyssa on October 31, 2012, 07:00:36 AM Really awesome. My ears suck, and so does my ability to process speech, so expressive people are a lot easier for me to 'read'.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 31, 2012, 07:45:45 AM New York this morning is a tale of three cities.
There's Manhattan above 40th street, where business is pretty much as usual, with the exception of everybody being antsy from being pent up in their homes for the last two days. Every open coffee shop, restaurant and bar made money hand-over-fist last night and will probably do so today as well. Subways are still not working but busses are running in a somewhat limited fashion. Most of central Queens, Brooklyn and the Bronx are in similar shape. Then, there's Manhattan below 40th. Still large swathes of it without power. Some of my people are dying for a hot shower. Places with their own generators are up and running in places and of course, the NYSE has power, because that kind of money gets your shit fixed quick. Lastly, there's Staten Island and the waterside bits of Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx. Some serious devastation. Breezy Point, the place in the picture I posted yesterday lost something like 100 houses in the fire that was spread for over a mile by the hurricane winds. Rockaway beach is trashed, there's a layer of ship fuel floating on top of the Arthur Kill, a tanker has run aground and will need to be pulled back into the water or scuttled. We've got a lot of cleaning up to do, but like others have said, we're not run by backwards shitheels, so we'll get it fixed. I think I'm gonna walk in to the office today. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on October 31, 2012, 08:34:25 AM I'm glad you're okay. I hope everyone is. No one here died, right? Or lost a cat? Or an eye? If you did, don't tell me. I don't want to know. I'm sorry I said anything. But you're all okay, right? Shh!
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: JWIV on October 31, 2012, 09:04:30 AM I'm glad you're okay. I hope everyone is. No one here died, right? Or lost a cat? Or an eye? If you did, don't tell me. I don't want to know. I'm sorry I said anything. But you're all okay, right? Shh! My inlaws in Long Beach reported they're okay, as is their cat. The area though is pretty devastated. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 31, 2012, 09:07:37 AM Surly, I daresay you'll be walkin' for a while my friend.
MTA Photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/with/8141549674/#photo_8141549674) Most of those photos you can see how high the water actually got by spotting the wall staining. Really, the transit system is shot in NYC. I fail to see how merely pumping out water == repair. You can't dump that much seawater into a system like that and expect it to function for very long even if you get it working short-term. Corrosion, electrolysis, and shorting will eat the circuits indefinitely until replaced. Wow... the logistics involved with that just blow my mind. I'd say they'll have to bandaid it (distilled water and mineral spirit baths, etc.) and then repair/replace as needed over time - which will cause periodic breakdowns of the system for quite a while. 4 days for the system to be back up??? :awesome_for_real: In other news, I just sat and watched a live aerial feed out of Philly for the Jersey Shore. Yah... gone. If your house hasnt been splintered or bounced like a toy then it got inundated by water and sand. Most of the entire shoreline is basically a write-off cept Atlantic City proper (the back bay areas of A.C. are fucked up though). Most of the low-lying barrier islands had the beaches essentially pushed all the way back into the bay. My friend in Hoboken finally just said fuck it and moved out. Half that town was flooded. The news hasnt got a realistic grasp of the economic loss. Their initial estimates dont even include flood damage, let alone loss of business. I dont think it'll eclipse Andrew but it'll come close in the end. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 31, 2012, 09:44:39 AM Got a report from Long Island that about 90% of it is w/o power. My uncle rode it out on the coast; havent heard from him.
http://www.lipower.org/stormcenter/outagemap.html From an amateur met down there. Quote I finally found spot were I can a connection. 90 % of Lobg Island has no power.I have been staying at my girlfriends house in west Babylon. Have not had power since about 7 pm Monday. Have not seen the news to see the destruction. But in the area I am lots of trees down, still can not get down to the beaches. drove to southshore towns here. Went down as far as I could. Dont even want to think about what is is going to look like when I can get down there. I seen furniture on peoples front lawn. this is by far the worse storm I have been in. still won't be able to post much as it is hard to find location were I can connect. Anyone have any other news from down there? Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sjofn on October 31, 2012, 01:53:07 PM (http://i.imgur.com/uQyAV.jpg)
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sheepherder on October 31, 2012, 02:41:38 PM You see 100mph? kiss your northern-coded OSHA roof goodbye. OSHA is Occupational Safety and Health Administration. AlmostShouldBeInPolitics: Apparently Chris Christie's heart grew three sizes this day, October 31st. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/31/christie-obama-hurricane-sandy-new-jersey/1671787/) EDIT: Massive explosion believed to be a transformer at the Con Ed Plant, E14th and FDR. This is what took out the power. Looking at the video looks like it was an explosion followed by a ridiculously bright arc flash. Or possibly highly reactive metals burning. EDIT2: Generators in hospitals: Forget it, Lantyssa already got this. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on October 31, 2012, 05:05:04 PM Any contracted work on pretty much ANYTHING in this country goes through OSHA. They have their "codes" and cities have their own, but regardless OSHA minimums have to be maintained. Even for silly stuff like proper ladders 'n such. Have you ever built a house?
Part of the issue with rebuilding is redtape from agencies enforcing OSHA codes, but hopefully that'll be minimal (as the president has asked). Anyways, I guess no one gives a phuck anymore because politics is more important to the media right now. :oh_i_see: Like they've actually run out of stuff to report. edit: my uncle got power back on the island. He says pretty much every boat marina he's been to is completely destroyed. And many of the boats are strewn all over the roads. Says it reminded him of Andrew. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sheepherder on October 31, 2012, 05:26:36 PM Contracted work has to go through OSHA because it's work. As far as I'm aware OSHA doesn't give a fuck if the end result is 50 storeys of scabbed together plywood so long as nobody set foot in it while they were building it.
Then again, I'm Canadian, so what I know about OSHA mostly comes from NFPA and IFSTA firefighting manuals. And now for a moment of levity: Quote 1926.701(d) Riding concrete buckets. No employee shall be permitted to ride concrete buckets. (http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=10778) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ingmar on October 31, 2012, 05:40:27 PM Building codes are state or local laws in the US, they have nothing to do with OSHA (other than the fact that the people building it have to follow OSHA regulations about their own safety while they work on it.)
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Trippy on October 31, 2012, 05:43:27 PM Sandy timelapse from the Northside Piers Towers in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. Time period is early morning Oct 29 until Oct 30.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyohW9rYEKc Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Venkman on October 31, 2012, 06:27:50 PM Anyone have any other news from down there? Inlaws out near Port Jeff lost power for two days and a big ass oak. But they got it back and the oak was hauled away half by the town (to clear the street) and half by a neighbor who wanted firewood. Uncle in Mastik Beach, yea, that's all gone. Friends in Jersey had a pipe burst just to add insult to their finished basement flooding and lack of power and about a month's worth of traveling coming up (he does those massive holiday displays in Malls). Parents down south determined to come back to their winter home right on the border between Nassau and Suffolk. I keep telling them not to bother. My father's favorite route ( And shit, half my childhood just got washed away from the Rockaways and the Jersey shore. Forget Irene, Andrew or Gloria. I feel like this became the tri-state areas Katrina. Vastly different infrastructure and capability to fix. But also vastly more expensive and complicated, technology, politically and legally. We're probably talking recovery that lasts through the next Presidential election. * Yes I know. Internet. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 31, 2012, 08:03:50 PM Vast amounts of stuff has been ruined in a key area of the world. It's not going to be fixed anytime soon. There will be consequences as people realise the significance of this. I think it's being underappreciated.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sjofn on October 31, 2012, 08:26:25 PM My sister in PA has her power back, and my parents have THEIR power back (they live in Ocean County, not very far from Seaside ... but far enough, thankfully). Not sure about my other sister, but I'm pretty sure hers is probably back too.
I also have the terrible "half my childhood just washed away" feeling. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on October 31, 2012, 09:37:44 PM Vast amounts of stuff just got trashed in a key area. That's your key phrase right there. Unlike Ground Zero, most of the shit that went out here affects a helluva lot more people and New Yorkers will not take people dicking around with necessary services lightly. If this takes more than a week to get at least a significant chunk of the city up am running again, heads are gonna roll.
Katrina was easy to dither on because most of the people in the hardest hit areas were poor and underrepresented. The combined wealth of one or two blocks in TriBeCa alone is probably greater than that of everyone in the Ninth Ward. That money is going to get shit fixed really quickly. People in the "Dead Zone" are already starting shit. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 31, 2012, 10:41:37 PM If this takes more than a week to get at least a significant chunk of the city up am running again, heads are gonna roll. Limited electricity may be back in that timeframe. But no matter how much money anyone puts into the job, they can't just pump out the subway and hit the on switch. Same goes for all other underground infrastructure that is full of salt water, from subway stations to shopping malls to tunnels full of cable. Its whole insides will need replaced. I would estimate months. Even if you have power, all the equipment below ground, including the escalators down, is now trash. Am I wrong? (http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2012/10/31/1351679853093/Flooding-at-the-South-Fer-013.jpg) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: lamaros on October 31, 2012, 10:42:55 PM Just the stimulus the economy needs.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 31, 2012, 10:57:01 PM Here is the MTA's Hurricane Recovery Subway Map (http://www.mta.info/sites/default/files/pdf/HurricaneRecoveryMapOct312012.pdf). The dulled areas are out of service.
The MTA is $31 billion in debt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority_%28New_York%29#Budget_Issues) and going backwards. Nobody put anything away for a rainy day. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ingmar on October 31, 2012, 11:00:33 PM The debt probably isn't relevant, since this will be paid for with emergency funding from other government entitles (state, federal, whatever.)
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on October 31, 2012, 11:32:26 PM The debt probably isn't relevant, since this will be paid for with emergency funding from other government entitles (state, federal, whatever.) The kind of irony that would take us to Politics. So I'll go elsewhere: Tokyo apparently has enormous purpose-built tunnels to drain flood water. (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/31/world/asia/japan-flood-tunnel/index.html) Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on November 01, 2012, 03:20:53 AM My sister in PA has her power back, and my parents have THEIR power back (they live in Ocean County, not very far from Seaside ... but far enough, thankfully). Not sure about my other sister, but I'm pretty sure hers is probably back too. I also have the terrible "half my childhood just washed away" feeling. My sister, who lives in suburban Philly, didn't lose power for very long. Both my nephews (one in Ardmore and one in Baltimore) are fine although flooded. My cousin in Sea Isle who wouldn't evacuate is fine although still stupid. All you lot seem okay. So I'm happy. Sort of. Quote I also have the terrible "half my childhood just washed away" feeling. Me too. I spent lots of happy summers as a kid at the Jersey shore. :heartbreak: So it's crappy... still have fond memories. I didn't think it was crappy when I was 8. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: rattran on November 01, 2012, 07:01:21 AM I grew up on Brigantine, looking at the devastation pictures is odd, as there's a lot of stuff built there in the last 20 years that is in areas that ALWAYS got fucked in even minor hurricanes. Houses in front of the dunes, massive condos built on what used to be part of the lagoon, etc. Shit, did they forget there's no building north of 14th st because the storm in 1962 washed away those 4 blocks killing people? Stupid fuckers and greedy developers are stupid and greedy.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Jherad on November 01, 2012, 08:25:22 AM Last night we went and picked up my mother in law from Monmouth County NJ. She's been without power since the storm and wanted to stay but the weather was turning cold. They may remain without power for another week apparently.
Very eerie driving at night past dead strip malls without a single light on. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on November 01, 2012, 09:19:32 AM I grew up on Brigantine, looking at the devastation pictures is odd, as there's a lot of stuff built there in the last 20 years that is in areas that ALWAYS got fucked in even minor hurricanes. Houses in front of the dunes, massive condos built on what used to be part of the lagoon, etc. Shit, did they forget there's no building north of 14th st because the storm in 1962 washed away those 4 blocks killing people? Stupid fuckers and greedy developers are stupid and greedy. Every time we went to the Jersey shore when I was little, I would beg, cry and scream to go to Brigantine Castle. I LOVED it. Too bad it burned down. :heartbreak: I'd go there now if it were still around! Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Strazos on November 01, 2012, 09:27:37 AM Mother's place in Sicklerville (maybe 40 minutes from AC) was untouched.
No casinos for me this weekend. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Signe on November 01, 2012, 09:30:57 AM I'm pretty sure you're too young to go to casinos anyway. At least you were last time I checked your age.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on November 01, 2012, 02:14:25 PM Brooklyn-Manhattan bus line. Block 2 of 6. (http://instagram.com/p/RfTaDNykQP/)
(http://distilleryimage7.instagram.com/8ea83a02242a11e295351231381417b1_7.jpg) The subway tunnels are still full of water. Even when they are dry, it will take some work to get them ready. This is not going away anytime soon. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Bzalthek on November 01, 2012, 02:37:26 PM I dunno, by the time you finally get a bus you'll either have wasted enough time to walk there or it's time to go home.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on November 01, 2012, 03:40:09 PM I'm really starting to get a post-Andrew vibe (soup kitchens and angst) with this, in agreement with Schild. It's starting to be a true clusterscrew in NYC. There just isnt enough response for the shear mass of humanity that now needs help; and the infrastructure required to run these communities won't come fully online for a while. This is bad. Real bad. :uhrr: This is before even considering everywhere else.
Hell, I'd forgotten about Staten Island (figured things werent that bad) but apparently they're truly assfucked over there. Half million people there. :uhrr: Not an evac-zone? Srysly? They took the maximum surge on the nose. And looking at the Subway map... Brooklyn is now truly an island. How's that supposed to work? Insane. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on November 01, 2012, 04:17:05 PM Here's a dimension I'm sure a lot of us haven't even considered. I hadn't until I heard it on the radio a bit ago.
The elderly. No power means no elevators means starving elderly trapped 10+ stories up. Children, don't let your parents move to the city. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Pennilenko on November 01, 2012, 04:24:30 PM I really did pause for a double take at all of the people from there on my Facebook saying things like everything will be back up in a week.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Lantyssa on November 01, 2012, 04:47:14 PM They haven't been through a hurricane like this before. They can't conceive of how much work it takes to get the infrastructure back up.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Venkman on November 01, 2012, 04:57:25 PM I really did pause for a double take at all of the people from there on my Facebook saying things like everything will be back up in a week. Middle class and the afluent have options. Taxis instead of buses instead of subways. Bikes if they're close, work from home if not, can afford hotels and avoid the truly disaster-hit washed-away areas in part because they lived elsewhere. I'm not saying all your Facebook links are rich of course, just that I would guess they don't feel as affected by those for whom Meals on Wheels is climbing 25 quiet and darks stories to bring food to. NPR has been running stories about the elderly the last few nights. The people for whom a city is usually the best of safety nets are the ones for whom I feel worst. At least with Blizzards they can use heat elements to clear paths. Nothing's clearing water in this amount except time. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Nightblade on November 01, 2012, 05:00:56 PM Quote Hell, I'd forgotten about Staten Island (figured things werent that bad) but apparently they're truly assfucked over there. Half million people there. Not an evac-zone? Srysly? They took the maximum surge on the nose. And looking at the Subway map... Brooklyn is now truly an island. How's that supposed to work? Insane. I live on staten island, and yes "fucked in the ass" is the word I'd use to describe it. Huge strips of buildings with no power, property ruined, a new business across the street from my store is decimated and my place isnt necessarily in too good a shape. It will take at least a month to rebuild. Beached cars, coolers and dead fish are baking in the winter sun. Some chase banks offering free cell phone charging, people without heat having to use their stove to keep cool, Long Island apparently to go 3-4 weeks without power and the only meager news these poor people get is "This was worse than we thought" -Con Ed Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Trippy on November 01, 2012, 05:27:09 PM Here's a dimension I'm sure a lot of us haven't even considered. I hadn't until I heard it on the radio a bit ago. They'll probably die of hypothermia before they starve to death :oh_i_see:The elderly. No power means no elevators means starving elderly trapped 10+ stories up. Children, don't let your parents move to the city. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on November 01, 2012, 06:12:15 PM I'm really starting to get a post-Andrew vibe (soup kitchens and angst) with this, in agreement with Schild. Do you mean me? I was the one posting that this looks broken for months. I was in NYC for 5 days in August and got a good look at the city. I happened to be in a three-month competition to cover distance on foot, so I went for huge walks. From Battery Park to 103rd Street and much in between. Out to Stuyvesant Town, along the shore to the Brooklyn Bridge, over the bridge and back, back up to 42nd Street. I took the Staten Island ferry. I went places on the subway. Came in from Newark on the train. Left via the A train to JFK. A lot of the infrastructure seemed underfunded and dilapidated ($30 billion MTA debt explains a lot). I wouldn't like to have the task of getting that back online, but good luck to them. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on November 01, 2012, 06:42:42 PM One of my guys was talking about a special needs home near him in Chelsea that's without power and how the residents are handling it. Con Ed moved in with an emergency generator today.
I walked around in the Deadzone this evening before finding myself a cab to get back to my side of the power line. It was super eerie. There are some pockets of power here and there, but the majority was like an urban Burning Man. People walking in groups, holding flashlights or carrying glowsticks so they could see and be seen. Another one of my guys that lives on the Lower East Side, who's now crashing at my place was telling me that you can tell who you should avoid by the lack of flashlights. It's almost post-apocalyptic. There are also spots where the police are setting up portable light stands. Time Warner is sending portable wifi and charging trucks through the deadzone to keep people up and running with their portable devices. All the cafes and places with free wifi are absolutely swamped with people trying to get stuff done. We've been bussing employees into one of our retail stores and carpooling some of the corporate people who don't want to telecommute into the office we have above the power line. The Wife's office is down the block from ground zero and she's figuring she won't get back in there before we leave for vacation next week. There are stirrings of discontent beginning to show up on twitter and other social networks. Some people in the deadzone and Staten Island are less-than-thrilled that the powers that be are spending money to make sure the marathon happens, money they think would be better spent getting power back to affected areas. This sums it up pretty well... Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on November 01, 2012, 07:54:49 PM The "Power Line?" That's what you guys call it or did you just make that up? Gawd. Next, people downtown will start speaking Gutterspeak and having retinal shinejobs done for nightwalks. Deadzone couriers could be called Shadowrunners. :awesome_for_real:
Just how long do you uptown folk think you'll last with downtown near shut down and most of the outer burroughs near unreachable? The slowdowns will creep uptown sure enough. Where will you get the staffing? Are you hiding murlocs below ground or some shit? NewYorkers are the most impatient people on the planet. I give them till football Sunday before they start really phreaking out. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on November 01, 2012, 08:12:06 PM Deadzone, SoPo (South of Power) there's a bunch of names. Those two are probably the most popular that I've been hearing.
People are already antsy. Just saw a news piece about the gas lines and fights breaking out. That shit may actually spill uptown, but we'll see. If ConEd gets a majority of the power back up by the weekend, that'll quell things quite a bit. If not, the National Guard is here in fairly large numbers, right now providing support services, but I'm pretty sure they can be repurposed for other shit on the fly. My houseguests are going to house sit while we're in Fiji, if we can get out. If shit gets real, he breaks out the assault weapons. :grin: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Trippy on November 01, 2012, 08:15:05 PM The "Power Line?" That's what you guys call it or did you just make that up? Gawd. Next, people downtown will start speaking Gutterspeak and having retinal shinejobs done for nightwalks. Deadzone couriers could be called Shadowrunners. :awesome_for_real: Stop the Doomcasting please. We really don't need people here predicting the end of the world because of Sandy.Just how long do you uptown folk think you'll last with downtown near shut down and most of the outer burroughs near unreachable? The slowdowns will creep uptown sure enough. Where will you get the staffing? Are you hiding murlocs below ground or some shit? NewYorkers are the most impatient people on the planet. I give them till football Sunday before they start really phreaking out. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ingmar on November 01, 2012, 08:18:57 PM ConEd claims Manhattan will pretty much all have power by Sunday.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Morat20 on November 01, 2012, 08:41:54 PM ConEd claims Manhattan will pretty much all have power by Sunday. New York's a bit lucky there. It's all..compact. Fixing one thing fixes a lot of people at once. When Ike came through, you not only had blown transformers, you had individual lines down everywhere. My home was out 11 days, because the only line down my street was down about two blocks away. The power was on right before the downed line, off behind it. But it was only about a 100 homes, so it had really low priority. They were fixing big transformers, making sure grocery stores and gas stations had power, etc. I suspect 99% of NYC will be powered well before the less urban areas are back up. I've seen some pictures of the coast. Looks bad. During Ike I personally saw a big yacht (60 or so fee at leastt, three decks maybe?) that was wedged up between two houses in Clear Lake -- Houses had to be 500k, minimum. Don't even want to know how much the boat cost. Sucker was just leaned up against one of the houses, with about five feet of clearance on the other side. Only damage to the house was a broken railing on the second story. Boat had an entire propeller missing. Have no idea how they got it back in the water. And Clear Lake is a heck of a lot more sheltered than Atlantic City or Jersey Shore looked. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on November 01, 2012, 08:47:57 PM I've mentioned it before, but you're lucky in that it was a road line, Morat and not the line to your house from the main line. I used to know a lineman in WoW and he told me the priorities a long time ago. Essentially residential and subdivisions are at the bottom and lines from the mains to individual houses are at the bottom of that list.
When Ike came through there's a house down the corner from me that was so fed-up with waiting they put a sign on their lawn, I guess to try and shame Duke Energy in to fixing them sooner. They were at 21 or 22 days before it was finally fixed. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Morat20 on November 01, 2012, 08:55:21 PM Yeah, I know. My in-laws were down another three days -- one of a cluster of four houses. The entire rest of the neighborhood had been up a week when their power was finally restored. I think it was some sort of sub-something or other. All four houses apparently had buried lines to the pole, and something was hosed up with just that pole where it went into the ground.
The way a bunch of New York is setup, there's a lot less individual stuff broken, I think. Mostly big stuff that broke lots of people, rather than tons and tons of individual lines down. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ingmar on November 01, 2012, 08:58:39 PM Fuckin' Duke Energy. :angryfist:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on November 01, 2012, 09:04:03 PM Stop the Doomcasting please. We really don't need people here predicting the end of the world because of Sandy. People have been doomcasting NYC for years. A lot of them New Yorkers. Short the the end of the world, we'll still be here. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: MahrinSkel on November 01, 2012, 09:29:29 PM Wired article about "Unwatering" NYC (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/sandy-unwatering-tunnels/), essentially the Army Corp of Engineers is bringing in a bunch of huge pumps (many of them from New Orleans) and the associated support equipment (generators, etc.). The problem isn't just removing the water, but not doing additional damage while doing so.
I'd say that we're looking at a few weeks before most of the NYC subway and vehicle tunnel system is functional. Some pieces will doubtless turn out to have taken major damage and be offline for months/years. --Dave Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Quinton on November 01, 2012, 10:36:22 PM Just catching this thread now... was totally not up on just how much impact of the storm there was in NYC... hope everyone out there is doing okay through all this.
Bloomberg's ASL interpreter is fascinating to watch -- a friend pointed out this blog post illustrating that a lot of the facial expressions and posture are not just for emphasis, but actually grammatical elements -- I had absolutely no idea ASL had these layers beyond the gestures... http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/149593 Realtime translation is crazy impressive. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on November 01, 2012, 11:19:20 PM Bloomberg's ASL interpreter We've done that. We're on to the apocalypse. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sheepherder on November 02, 2012, 04:39:28 AM Nothing's clearing water in this amount except time. FDNY has 341 (engines and ladders (http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/vital_stats_2012.pdf)) each of which can lift water 6-10 feet and perform at rated capacity (1000-2250 US GPM for a single stage pump, up to 3000 for a multi-stage). Less if they have to lift higher, although I suspect FDNY has very few 1000 GPM apparatus. Also, they don't need proper fire flows at the nozzle end. So, if they tasked literally every fire truck to draining the subways it would take ~20 hours even if on average you assume the lower end of that spectrum. Of course, I imagine a significant number are busy doing other things. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: 01101010 on November 02, 2012, 06:04:42 AM Nothing's clearing water in this amount except time. FDNY has 341 (engines and ladders (http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/vital_stats_2012.pdf)) each of which can lift water 6-10 feet and perform at rated capacity (1000-2250 US GPM for a single stage pump, up to 3000 for a multi-stage). Less if they have to lift higher, although I suspect FDNY has very few 1000 GPM apparatus. Also, they don't need proper fire flows at the nozzle end. So, if they tasked literally every fire truck to draining the subways it would take ~20 hours even if on average you assume the lower end of that spectrum. Of course, I imagine a significant number are busy doing other things. The real question is, can they pump seawater? I would think that would muck things up in short order when seals and hoses begin to start leaking. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Merusk on November 02, 2012, 06:26:23 AM Not just seawater but sand and small debris are an issue as well. Fire trucks don't just suck up pond water and shoot it. The hydrant system uses domestic water which means the pumps aren't designed to worry about random shit running through them.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on November 02, 2012, 07:06:05 AM Bloomberg's ASL interpreter We've done that. We're on to the apocalypse. Yup! And more DOOOOOMCasting! Nothing's clearing water in this amount except time. FDNY has 341 (engines and ladders (http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/vital_stats_2012.pdf)) each of which can lift water 6-10 feet and perform at rated capacity (1000-2250 US GPM for a single stage pump, up to 3000 for a multi-stage). Less if they have to lift higher, although I suspect FDNY has very few 1000 GPM apparatus. Also, they don't need proper fire flows at the nozzle end. So, if they tasked literally every fire truck to draining the subways it would take ~20 hours even if on average you assume the lower end of that spectrum. Of course, I imagine a significant number are busy doing other things. I think Darniaq's point was that even when pumped only time will completely remove the water. Water infilatration is total in this situation. Like flooding your house, the carpet, drywall, and electricals must be replaced. It's no different for the NYC subway. And all that takes lots of time. Then the mold/mildew sets in. Latest pics I've seen are showing huge backlogs in the working subways. Worse than Tokyo. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Lantyssa on November 02, 2012, 08:47:50 AM If it is the end of the world, I just as well talk more about Lydia Callis.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Numtini on November 02, 2012, 09:45:49 AM As per NPR, once the tunnels are empty, they still need to walk through and verify every single sensor, switch, and light for managing traffic.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sheepherder on November 02, 2012, 10:20:57 AM The real question is, can they pump seawater? I would think that would muck things up in short order when seals and hoses begin to start leaking. Not just seawater but sand and small debris are an issue as well. Fire trucks don't just suck up pond water and shoot it. The hydrant system uses domestic water which means the pumps aren't designed to worry about random shit running through them. Ugly. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc6pUx9uM00) Hideous. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hbSmIuVmsA) Running tapwrong. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p01vJJthpEw) (Which is to say, yes, you can do these things, it's just so very wrong to have little bits or funny colours shooting out your fog nozzle.) Debris isn't an issue because they're centrifugal pumps, just like regular trash pumps. Sand wears on them eventually, but it's nowhere near catastrophic failure inducing, and I imagine getting the subways drained is fairly high on the list of priorities. Saltwater isn't an issue, the pump impeller and casing are brass, and there's a zinc anode inside for good measure. The water table being messed up is a point for considering, though you can move water a long distance very efficiently as long as you're more concerned with volume than pressure, and if the sewer system is intact and not plugged it's a non-issue. You can also daisy-chain trucks together if you're willing to fuck around getting the two pumps flowing the same volume (the fire college in Ontario insists on including it as part of the curriculum despite none of the instructors ever having applied the skill in a real situation). Not having enough hose would be a potential problem. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Miasma on November 02, 2012, 11:05:21 AM I think the people involved in the angry water compression and guns slapfight should weigh in on these issues. :ye_gods:
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Pennilenko on November 02, 2012, 11:06:22 AM No
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on November 02, 2012, 11:09:21 AM Chelsea seems to be back up on the grid. The rest of SoPo should be done by Saturday
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Venkman on November 02, 2012, 02:22:33 PM Buddy of mine carting his family from near Brunswick to Maryland today for the weekend. Every third vehicle he passed on the Turnpike was from some electric utility or another. That's four days after this blew through and they're still coming in droves.
As per NPR, once the tunnels are empty, they still need to walk through and verify every single sensor, switch, and light for managing traffic. Yea. Various types of pumping and hauling equipment is gonna be needed here, and they can only be used in sequence. This is far beyond sump pumps here, multiplied by around 1,000 affected buildings and ConEd-only-knows all the tunnels and accessways beneath ground.NYC doesn't have a lot of experience with this specific kind of disaster (surged seawater getting into everything). But I'll put them near the top of any list in the world that ranks cities by their ability to clean shit up and move it somewhere else. The geography of Manhatten island has required it for a long time. Eastern parts of LI are starting to get back up, but my folks place and points west (Nassau and then Queens) are still spotty. More sporadic reports of gas siphoning and muggings, but that's largely depend on which network you're watching. Gas lines are reminding people of the 70s. Cops are starting to man stations. LIPA continues with its own doomcasting on estimates. I can't blame them for that. They probably think it's accurate when they state it, and if it's faster, all the better. But people really need to get off the island if they have the means. Very little is reliable right now and it's getting into the 30s overnight this weekend with a freakin' Nor'easter possibly coming. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on November 02, 2012, 03:26:36 PM Lower East Side is up, The rest of SoPo will be up by midnight.
And after a lot of complaining, the marathon has been cancelled. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ghambit on November 02, 2012, 03:50:50 PM Hopefully that speeds things up a bit. My friend in Brooklyn spent half the day trying to get to work.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Abagadro on November 02, 2012, 04:45:32 PM Lower East Side is up, The rest of SoPo will be up by midnight. And after a lot of complaining, the marathon has been cancelled. I guess that means only one Kenyan will be winning something this upcoming week. :rimshot: Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on November 02, 2012, 04:50:41 PM (http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m038aaY0h91qhyjv7.gif)
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Jimbo on November 03, 2012, 02:24:46 AM Being a former Vol Fireman, we used to draft from any and everything. A creek, a swimming pool, a pond, a run off, a stream, a river, and we would set up water hauling from those areas. Salt, fresh, clean, dirty, it doesn't matter as we can pump it.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: taolurker on November 03, 2012, 09:13:57 AM So, brief update on laptop battery. No power since 10:30 am on Monday. Storm hit us at 7:30 Monday night. So far not impacting me too horribly (compared to others near me.) Only today got to see many of the pictures of devastation I was only hearing about on transistor radio so far.
1 mile from my house, most of the town of Union Beach is underwater or washed away. The town I grew up in (Keyport, also 1 mile from me) had a new waterfront built 2 years ago that's been completely destroyed. Friend who was evacuated from North Middletown/Keansburg (2miles from me) still unable to get in to see how bad his house is. All of the Keansburg, Seaside and Point Pleasant boardwalks I used to enjoy as a kid are either heavily damaged (or washed away completely). Sister (about 20 miles from me) had power back Thurs evening, power company estimated I'd have power by Wed of next week!! Atlantic City reopened yesterday, and some towns where half the place was washed away have power. Lots of stupidity and fighting over gasoline, and was a warming/charging center set-up near me that was mobbed with people plugging their cel phones in (duh you don't own a car charger?), while I was there with my laptop. I'm accumulating a guide of Emergency tips, and survival techniques, that I will possibly post when I have the spare power and feel like venting. Wish I could browse more of the forum and this thread, but battery power already draining too fast, but may be at charging station again tomorrow. Lots of shit really messed up near me, and I hope some of the other Northeast F13ers are doing reasonably well. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Khaldun on November 03, 2012, 01:20:40 PM Yeah, I'm hearing from a friend in NJ that they have been told, "no power until Tuesday or Wednesday at the earliest" and there is no gasoline to be had near their house for love or money. She says that the local retail strip has power and that the Starbucks there is like a refugee camp of people powering up cell phones and laptops.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Venkman on November 03, 2012, 01:44:16 PM My inlaws are saying gas companies have started trucking in about 8mil gallons to various stations over the next 3 days, with the hopes that it's back to normal gas-wise by Tuesday. According to my brother in law, a couple of gas stations hear him in southern Nassau have National Guard troops at them, fully armed (though likely assumed for no greater reason than a deterrent). No idea if that's county-wide, but pretty telling.
Old neighbors are saying some of the hype is media driven. To them people were fine until the media talked gas shortage and that's then everyone lined up. Even though none of those same people have actionally gone anywhere because so many places are still without power. Mid Suffolk is starting to come back online. The LIPA estimates are lowering in some parts near Nassau. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sheepherder on November 03, 2012, 03:16:27 PM I'm accumulating a guide of Emergency tips, and survival techniques, that I will possibly post when I have the spare power and feel like venting. Baked beans. They require no additional water, it won't kill you eating them uncooked out of the can, they are a decent meat substitute, and cooking them is as easy as puncturing the lid and tossing the can into a bed of coals or atop a grill. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Sky on November 03, 2012, 03:21:55 PM I like Louis CK. Just got this in the mail:
Quote Hello. Its louis here. I'm clacking this to you on my phone in my dressing room here at studio 8H, right in 30 rockefeller center, in Manhattan, new york city, new york, america, world, current snapshot of all existence everywhere. Tonight I'm hosting Saturday Night Live, something I zero ever in my life saw happening to me. And yet here it is completely most probably happening (I mean, ANYTHING could NOT happen. So we'll see). I've been working here all week with the cast, crew, producers and writers of SNL, and with Lorne Michaels. Such a great and talented group of people. And here we are in the middle of New York City, which was just slammed by a hurricane, leaving behind so much trouble, so much difficulty and trauma, which everyone here is still dealing with every day. Last night we shot some pre-tape segments in greenwich Village, which was pitch black dark for blocks and blocks, as it has been for a week now. Its pretty impossible to describe walking through these city streets in total darkness. It can't even be called a trip through time, because as long as new york has lived, its been lit. By electricity, gas lamps, candlelight, kerosene. But this was pitch black, street after street, corner round corner. And for me, the village being the very place that made me into a comedian and a man, to walk through the heart of it and feel like, in a way, it was dead. I can't tell you how that felt. And you also had a palpable sense that inside each dark window was a family or a student or an artist or an old woman living alone, just being int he dark and waiting for the day to come back. Like we were all having one big sleep over, but not so much fun as that. This is how a lot of the city is still. I know people in queens, brooklyn, Staten Island, new jersey, all over, are not normal yet. And not normal is hard. And here at 30 rock, these folks are working so hard this week. There are kids in the studio every day, because members of the crew and staff had to bring them to work. Many people are sharing lodging. Everyone is tired. But there's this feeling here that we've got to put on a great show. I'm sure it feels like that here every week. But wow. I feel really lucky to be sharing this time with these particular good folks here at SNL. In about 5 hours we'll be going on the air. I'll do a monologue. And we'll show you some sketches that we wrote and try to make you laugh. I'm gonna look really dumb in some of this stuff. But I don't care. Its awfully worth it. And I'm really excited. Anyway. I just wanted to let you know. If you watch the show tonight, when Don Pardo says my name and you see me walking out, all the shit in this email is what ill be thinking. I'm a pretty lucky guy. I hope you enjoy the show. Thanks. Louis C.K. Live. From new york. Its saturday night. Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: MuffinMan on November 03, 2012, 05:16:54 PM He also posted this on his web site on the 28th.
Quote Dear New York ticket holding folks.... Okay. I thought about this very carefully and I really started to worry about making 4300 people come into midtown manhattan on Sunday night, which is just when the stormatron 5000 is supposed to crush our empire. new york state has ordered the sutdown of all mass transit (subways, buses and commuter trains) as of 7pm Sunday night. I know that a lot of people are excited to come and they are fine with taking the chance but I really don't want a pole to smash your face in because you saw some comedy. So i asked the City Center (where the shows are supposed to happen) if we could find another date for Sunday's shows and they gave me March 2nd. The City Center, being really cool, has agreed to let us do the shows on that night and your tickets that you now hold will be honored on that night. the same seat, same everything. If you can't come on that night, we will either do another show soon after that, or find another show for you in the area in the future. Or you still have the option to get a full refund for your ticket. If you already asked for a refund, we can reinstate your ticket if you want to go to one of those shows. Listen. I know that probably it's going to be a starry clear night and the trains are going to be just gliding up and down the traks and a baby zebra is going to whinny as he trots by the City Center on a night that is going to break records for being placid and perfect for a night of comedy. And I'm going to feel like an asshole. And I know that some people had their plans set and are going to be pissed off at me. I know. but I also know that some of you are struggling with whether to come in or miss the show and this is the closest I can get to a solution. You don't have to take a chance and you don't have to miss the show. Just come see me in a few months. If it's any consolation, I'm eating a pretty staggering fee for cancelling the show. But I can take it. What I can't take is the thought that there's a CHANCE 4300 people will be in danger trying to get home from my stupid show. Please email support@louisck.net and tell us what you want to do, and ask any question you have. So that's that. Cancelled. Rescheduled. Please forgive me. Please be safe. Your dumb friend Louis CK Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Ironwood on November 04, 2012, 04:26:22 AM He seems like a nice chap.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Tale on November 04, 2012, 05:33:47 PM As I've been predicting... Wall Street Journal article on the subway tunnels. (http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/11/04/what-could-it-cost-to-repair-the-subway-system/) Long term problem.
Quote A 2011 New York state study pegged the total economic impact of a 100-year flood on New York City at $58 billion, with that estimate rising to $84 billion in the event that sea levels rise by four feet in the coming decades. Estimating the effect of a 100-year flood on New York City after a four-foot increase in sea levels — a prospect still years away — the analysis by the state Energy Research and Development Authority, along with Columbia University and the City University of New York, showed that all five of the MTA’s subway tunnels between lower Manhattan and Brooklyn would be inundated with water. That is what happened, MTA officials say, when Sandy’s storm surge arrived on Monday night. “Think of it as a 90- to 100-year-old patient that got into an accident and is in the hospital,” MTA Chairman Joseph Lhota said, referring to the subway system that moves 5.5 million riders per day through the city. “Things always happen when you get in the hospital that you don’t expect. The amount of saltwater that is in the system, as we clean it out, we’re finding other things.” Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Surlyboi on November 04, 2012, 06:48:29 PM The Rockaways, Staten Island and some parts of Queens are still in really bad shape. There are lots of new homeless and displaced without anything at all. The restaurant on the corner was collecting food, clothes, water, toiletries, everything they could for the Rockaways. The local firehouse was then assembling it and shipping it out there. As cold as its gonna be this week, that situation looks like it could get pretty dire.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Pennilenko on November 04, 2012, 08:15:57 PM If there is any city in the U.S. that has the stamina and drive to take care of and protect its own, it would be new york.
Title: Re: US East Coast weather fun ahead Post by: Venkman on November 12, 2012, 01:37:48 PM Yes.
Was just there this weekend. By outward appearances it's largely back to normal. You can't even see the water lines in lower Manhatten, and all the areas around the 9/11 plaza look like they did last year when I was down there for a Gamification summit. The only difference to me (former resident now a tourist) is you can't exit FDR drive to the Long Island was still a mess in some parts. South Shore is still out in large chunks. Friends in Commack and Smithtown finally got power back on the 13th day. Same for friends in Princeton area NJ. Talk of lawsuits as usual. My parents neighborhood look like one of those machines from War of the Worlds came along and uprooted every second tree. Some services rolled through and cut up as much as they could, but all they could do was leave piles alongside the road. In some places it was almost Escape from New York bad trying to avoid what keeps falling off those piles. Side note: at some point over the last couple of years, they shut down a few streets at Times Square. Lots of performance art and sitting tables now. That was probably the most surprising thing I saw all weekend. |