Title: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: schild on February 20, 2005, 08:26:39 PM Link (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050221/ap_en_ot/obit_thompson_4").
Quote Author Hunter S. Thompson Commits Suicide 6 minutes ago ASPEN, Colo. - Hunter S. Thompson, the acerbic counter-culture author of books such as "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas," fatally shot himself Sunday night at his Aspen-area home, his son said. He was 67. "Hunter prized his privacy and we ask that his friends and admirers respect that privacy as well as that of his family," Juan Thompson said in a statement released to the Aspen Daily News. Pitkin County Sheriff Bob Braudis, a personal friend of Thompson, confirmed the death to the News. Sheriff's officials did not return calls to The Associated Press late Sunday. .... Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 20, 2005, 08:47:46 PM :cry:
This is so weird too. I just was kind of daydreaming earlier today about how cool it'd be to shoot guns with Hunter. Not so cool apparently....Damn. RIP, even if he did go out in a very stupid way :| Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Strazos on February 20, 2005, 09:18:08 PM I had to tell half of the CS server I was on to shut up when this broke...
I mean, yeah, it sucks that he died....but are you gonna throw a fit over it? People die all the time; shit happens.... Though I'd prolly feel slightly different if he had died of natural causes/accident. Suicide just seems kinda dumb to me. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Llava on February 20, 2005, 09:20:36 PM A shame.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: schild on February 20, 2005, 09:32:23 PM The more I rack my brain about this, I can only come to one possible conclusion:
He had nothing left to say. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 20, 2005, 10:03:50 PM The more I rack my brain about this, I can only come to one possible conclusion: He had nothing left to say. He was getting (Dare I say it?) almost religious in later years. Speaking in bibical terms and of catastrophes of epic proportions. He thought the end of the world was coming, and that we were all doomed (which is even more scary coming from HST imo). It sounded like he had plenty to say, if you ask me. "You poor little bastards." Then again, maybe he was just...depressed? Thinking negatively like that could only bring one down. Or maybe it was a simple matter of finding out about a disease, and not wanting to deal with it. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: schild on February 20, 2005, 11:29:30 PM His last column? Shotgun Golf with Bill Murray (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1992213).
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Signe on February 20, 2005, 11:36:44 PM :cry:
I liked him too much to even put him on my dead pool. (a few of you are on my list, though) Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Abagadro on February 20, 2005, 11:43:39 PM Damn. I've broken out the good tequila.
(I secretly always wanted to be some crazy fuck's "attorney" a la Dr. Gonzo) Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Ardent on February 21, 2005, 12:12:44 AM I suppose "just say no" isn't such a bad idea after all.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Hanzii on February 21, 2005, 12:49:53 AM The more I rack my brain about this, I can only come to one possible conclusion: He had nothing left to say. Unfortunately that happened more than 10 years ago - maybe he just realized that as well. Which doesn't make it any less tragic (in fact moreso). Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 21, 2005, 01:12:21 AM The more I rack my brain about this, I can only come to one possible conclusion: He had nothing left to say. Unfortunately that happened more than 10 years ago - maybe he just realized that as well. Which doesn't make it any less tragic (in fact moreso). Well, he was just a journalist, after all. He was only reporting. If he had nothing left to say, maybe it's because there wasn't anything left to say. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: schild on February 21, 2005, 01:17:04 AM (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Gonzo_quote.PNG)
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 21, 2005, 02:09:35 AM And sadly, in what way does it resonate with our generation?
Gonzo porn :roll: Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: AlteredOne on February 21, 2005, 05:40:28 AM It's a shame he dropped off the map, and only seemed to be writing an irregular column for ESPN. Then again, his particular style of reporting probably was not conducive to aging. Hunter lived hard, and apparently wanted to die hard. May he meet up with Mark Twain in the afterlife, and lampoon the gods. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Signe on February 21, 2005, 06:30:29 AM Thompson was never one of those people I would expect to live a long, happy life. I would also expect his end not to be traditional and I'm hardly surprised at what happened. I suppose it was that or dead in an alley, drunk and beat up because he called the wrong person a son of a bitch. He had mellowed slightly with age and possibly couldn't find someone to beat him up properly and did the deed himself. It's all very sad but almost ties in with his life story. His sort of people are what's left of our anti-heroes. They're a dying breed. He deserves respect for his literary (though some would argue that word) contributions and condemnation for the manner in which he conducted his personal life.
Although he was a drug addict and a sexual deviant, it's hard to dislike him... strange as it sounds. He's one of those sorts of people who you would love to have over for dinner while knowing that the wife, kids and pets should be locked up before he arrives. If interested enough, I suggest reading Hunter by E. Jean Carroll, who wrote the biography Gonzo-style. I enjoyed it so much that I was compelled to finish it in one sitting. For some reason, I always wondered what he looked like naked. Edited because I used 'that' instead of 'who'. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: HaemishM on February 21, 2005, 08:13:44 AM The more I rack my brain about this, I can only come to one possible conclusion: He had nothing left to say. Yeah, that was about the only thing I could think of. I cannot fathom the idea of him offing himself, unless he discovered he had some kind of inoperable, terminal illness. Or he just realized he had nothing more to say and it was time to go for a curtain call. Either way, I'm very sad about this. At least we will always have Las Vegas. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: WayAbvPar on February 21, 2005, 08:51:10 AM Wow. Even though I haven't read any of his writing for a couple of years, this really shocks and saddens me. The really weird thing is that someone asked about Bat Country in General last night on WoW- when I told them I was in the guild, they complimented the name.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Joe on February 21, 2005, 10:30:44 AM I think this hits anyone who was a fan hard. He was one of those writers you couldn't help but love, and he lived the way he wrote. I'll be cracking open a bottle of tequila and Fear and Loathing tonight.
This (http://www.bluebus.org/archives/000477.php) was his last really poignant thing I read. It influenced my vote. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Alkiera on February 21, 2005, 01:59:39 PM I think this hits anyone who was a fan hard. He was one of those writers you couldn't help but love, and he lived the way he wrote. I'll be cracking open a bottle of tequila and Fear and Loathing tonight. This (http://www.bluebus.org/archives/000477.php) was his last really poignant thing I read. It influenced my vote. Well. Now that I have proof I will have absolutely no interest in his non-fiction writing... Is Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas fiction? If so, is it fiction for the purpose of making a political statement? Mostly, I'm curious about the book since it seems to have some influence here... but I have no interest in his political views. Alkiera Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: WayAbvPar on February 21, 2005, 02:01:32 PM Read it and decide whether it is fiction or not. It is a fantastic book, either way.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: CmdrSlack on February 21, 2005, 02:06:02 PM I think this hits anyone who was a fan hard. He was one of those writers you couldn't help but love, and he lived the way he wrote. I'll be cracking open a bottle of tequila and Fear and Loathing tonight. This (http://www.bluebus.org/archives/000477.php) was his last really poignant thing I read. It influenced my vote. Well. Now that I have proof I will have absolutely no interest in his non-fiction writing... Is Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas fiction? If so, is it fiction for the purpose of making a political statement? Mostly, I'm curious about the book since it seems to have some influence here... but I have no interest in his political views. Alkiera Thompson's style was a development of the journalistic style in American prose after 1945. At least, that's how I learned it in undergrad. His work, fiction or non, used hyperbole, frantic pacing, and savagely real language to generate the "this could almost be true" effect of stuff likeFear and Loathing. AFAIK, parts of that are true. Hell's Angels is more non-fiction than fiction. I'd say it resonates better as an example of New Journalism. Same with his campaign trail books. You won't find anything that doesn't bear some aspect of his political views. For instance, the passage in Fear and Loathing where he discusses looking back across the desert from Vegas and seeing where the high water mark of the 60s had broken and rolled back. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Abagadro on February 21, 2005, 02:06:45 PM Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trial '72 is a great book too. He basically talks about how all the candidates are venal assholes.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: HaemishM on February 21, 2005, 02:08:50 PM You probably can't separate his political views from his writing, fiction or not. But he's still pretty goddamn funny either way. Read The Curse of Lono if you are worried about his views. It's pretty apolitical, if I recall correctly, and has great Ralph Steadman artwork.
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is a classic of American literature, IMO, but if you have a real affinity for Nixon or Nixonian politics, it might just piss you off. Which is fine, because he wrote like that to piss people off too. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: MaceVanHoffen on February 21, 2005, 02:26:15 PM I enjoyed Fear and Loathing immensely. Now, I'll cop to the fact that my political leanings are very similar to HST's. However, I think the book works as pure entertainment: a window into the world of heavy, psychadelic drug use for those of us who have no experience with that world. I'd recommend it wholeheartedly.
I do think that poor HST was just too visionary to live. He held a view of reality that would be considered radical even in radical circles, and that made his work all the more compelling to me. I'll miss his future work and the views that work would have represented. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Alkiera on February 21, 2005, 03:24:50 PM You probably can't separate his political views from his writing, fiction or not. But he's still pretty goddamn funny either way. Read The Curse of Lono if you are worried about his views. It's pretty apolitical, if I recall correctly, and has great Ralph Steadman artwork. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is a classic of American literature, IMO, but if you have a real affinity for Nixon or Nixonian politics, it might just piss you off. Which is fine, because he wrote like that to piss people off too. I enjoyed the first 20 issues or so of Transmetropolitan that I read, and from what I can tell, Spider Jerusalem is based on Hunter S Thompson. Heck, I , a Christian conservative, could agree with most of Spider's writings... Hunter(in that article), not at all. Occasionally Transmetro seemed to have political bents, but it was still enjoyable. If Fear and Loathing is like that, fine. The article Joe linked was not enjoyable. Alkiera Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 21, 2005, 03:51:56 PM I enjoyed the first 20 issues or so of Transmetropolitan that I read, and from what I can tell, Spider Jerusalem is based on Hunter S Thompson. Heck, I , a Christian conservative, could agree with most of Spider's writings... Hunter(in that article), not at all. Occasionally Transmetro seemed to have political bents, but it was still enjoyable. If Fear and Loathing is like that, fine. The article Joe linked was not enjoyable. Alkiera Well, if it makes you feel any better, he also labeled Clinton as "one of the greatest facists of our time", and Tim Leary as one of the "worst goddamn human beings on the face of the earth". He was a lot harder on flower power, baby boomers, and 60's counterculturalists more than he was anything Nixonian or conservative (but not to say they didn't get their fair share of viciousness either). Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Abagadro on February 21, 2005, 04:01:16 PM You only read things that you agree with?
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Abagadro on February 21, 2005, 04:45:34 PM Sorry for the consecutive posts, but I found this in a tribute and liked it:
Quote Sure, the man had been dehydrated since 1971; he needed electrolytes and proteins and Thorazine and antidepressants and probably something for his ailing joints because he probably had no cartilage in his knees or hips at all, and a whole host of other difficulties that comes of applying a lifelong scorched-earth policy to your mind and body. Thompson was old, and life had finally become sufficiently uncomfortable for him to check out. I think it is improper and disrespectful to whine about this suicide. Thompson was in the game for a very, very long time, and I think it is a safe bet that he was never comfortable. This was a profoundly tortured guy, the smoke from whose ears always made a whole lot of exciting colors that we all enjoyed. It was a great brain to watch but you wouldn't want to live in it, I'd aver. He was a butch motherfucker and I'd bet cash he stuck it out significantly longer than he really wanted to. Let's face it, HST was not one for the nursing home -- he'd have just stolen everyone else's barbiturates and hurt people trying to arm-wrestle. This is one of my favorite things he said about Bush: Quote In an interview with The Independent in 2004, Thompson said he remembered meeting Bush at Thompson's Super Bowl party in Houston in 1974. He said that Bush was "with a guy who had come to sell . . . " but then cut himself off. "Look, I'm not going to put this next sentence on the record. Let's just say that 'a friend of mine' was buying cocaine. I have friends in Houston from all walks of life. Lawyers. Professional men. Bush was hanging around with this crowd of what you might call gilded coke dilettantes." Thompson said the future president had left an indelible impression on him. "He knew who I was, at that time, because I had a reputation as a writer," Thompson said. "I knew he was part of the Bush dynasty. But he was nothing, he offered nothing, and he promised nothing. He had no humor. He was insignificant in every way and consequently I didn't pay much attention to him. But when he passed out in my bathtub, then I noticed him. I'd been in another room, talking to the bright people. I had to have him taken away." Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: WayAbvPar on February 21, 2005, 05:00:34 PM Quote applying a lifelong scorched-earth policy to your mind and body. What a vivid picture...great phrase! God, now I feel iike a douchebag teaching English 101 night school! In fact, I will change the text color to reflect this... Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Alkiera on February 21, 2005, 07:24:07 PM You only read things that you agree with? No. After all, I read a large portion of this forum, and as a Christian conservative, I don't agree with a lot of what is said, especially in the politics and GenDis forums. I've finally more or less stopped reading the politics forum, tho, because it's one of those topics where it is typically impossible to convince someone to change their mind. By the time you're in your early/mid 20's, most people have a fair idea of what they believe about politics, and generally defend that to the death until their experiences tell them different, and sometimes even still. I'm not much different than most people in that regard. Yes, you could say I just admitted to being close-minded... but I've heard long, varied arguments from what I consider to be the opposite side of the issue, and I've found none of them to be convincing. So, given my reason, posted above, for wanting to read Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, namely to better understand the host of references made here... What would be the point if it is something I'm going to have to force myself to continue reading it, like I did that article Joe posted? I'll just have to file Hunter Thompson along with the majority of other authors, actors, and celebrities, in the folder of people whom I respect more the less I know about their personal lives. Was discussing this earlier with people as to why I don't want to see the Oscar Awards. I've determined that of the actors, actresses and other celebs that I actually respect for their talents, I have no desire to find out about the rest of their lives, because in all cases where I have learned more, I've lost what respect I had for them. Alkiera Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 21, 2005, 07:33:32 PM Not everything is so black & white, Alkiera. And besides, understanding and exposing yourself to the "opposite" side will only make you better understand and appreciate your own beliefs and ideals, and how to apply them to the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Abagadro on February 21, 2005, 07:44:34 PM He's not really a dreaded "liberal" anyways, more like a anti-authoritarian anarchist with a wistful view of the American Dream fueled by raging narcicism and self-destruction.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Alkiera on February 21, 2005, 07:49:21 PM Not everything is so black & white, Alkiera. Of course not. Which is why I asked about the content of the book. Not everything is black and white... but some people are, the major forces behind ideas. I'm willing to read grey stuff... But I've no more desire to read a political book by HST than, say, most people here would want to read one by Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, or Michael Savage. I have to ask because the left tends to try to hide their politics inside their art(F9/11, that ocean disaster movie, Day Without Mexicans, Spanglish), where the right tends to make things obvious on the cover, like Limbaugh's The Way Things Ought to Be or Savage's Liberalism is a Mental Disorder. Alkiera Re: Abagadro heh, sounds alot like Spider Jerusalem. Which I believe was the point of the comic. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Abagadro on February 21, 2005, 07:51:39 PM Go ahead and read F&L. I don't remember a whole lot of overtly political stuff in it (other than pointing out how idiotic the cops at the drug conference were), but it is (in my opinion) one of the seminal works of the era.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Llava on February 21, 2005, 09:02:47 PM where the right tends to make things obvious on the cover, like Limbaugh's The Way Things Ought to Be or Savage's Liberalism is a Mental Disorder. If you want to hear a counterpoint, highlight below. If you don't, don't. Or like those commercials the White House put out and had aired as news segments. Or movies like "Bless The Child" or that more recent one about the horrors of cloning with Dustin Hoffman. Just because they're crappy movies doesn't make them exempt. And I think F9/11 was pretty dang up-front about its bias. I can think of several instances where Moore himself said "No, it's not a fair movie." Now you can certainly make a case that there is liberal propaganda out there that's hidden in bite-sized chunks inside nicer things, but I'm confident that I can counter with a conservative example for each one. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Teleku on February 21, 2005, 09:06:14 PM I enjoyed the first 20 issues or so of Transmetropolitan that I read, and from what I can tell, Spider Jerusalem is based on Hunter S Thompson. Heck, I , a Christian conservative, could agree with most of Spider's writings... Hunter(in that article), not at all. Occasionally Transmetro seemed to have political bents, but it was still enjoyable. If Fear and Loathing is like that, fine. The article Joe linked was not enjoyable. Alkiera Well, if it makes you feel any better, he also labeled Clinton as "one of the greatest facists of our time", and Tim Leary as one of the "worst goddamn human beings on the face of the earth". He was a lot harder on flower power, baby boomers, and 60's counterculturalists more than he was anything Nixonian or conservative (but not to say they didn't get their fair share of viciousness either). Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Llava on February 21, 2005, 09:10:26 PM I do have to toss in my two cents and say that the linked article wasn't impressive. And I hate Bush too.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Abagadro on February 21, 2005, 09:30:01 PM You don't go to HST for rational commentary. You go to the good Doctor for entertaining, psychotic ramblings that have an amazing amount of truth in them.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Llava on February 22, 2005, 12:22:45 AM If that's what that was, I'd have liked it a lot more. It was more of a rant with only a couple facts to back it up. Most of it was just him going off on his opinion. Though it's an opinion that I happen to agree with, I wish he'd done a bit more to support it. He can flip out as much as he wants after he's proven his point.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Hanzii on February 22, 2005, 12:51:40 AM I think this hits anyone who was a fan hard. He was one of those writers you couldn't help but love, and he lived the way he wrote. I'll be cracking open a bottle of tequila and Fear and Loathing tonight. This (http://www.bluebus.org/archives/000477.php) was his last really poignant thing I read. It influenced my vote. Quote Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush? They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill "gooks". They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are racists and hate mongers among us-they are the Ku Klux Klan. I piss down the throats of these Nazis. And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. Fuck them. Heh. Perhaps he didn't loose all relevance years ago after all... What a man. One of the Danish journalists that spent some time with him a few years ago described how he had degenerated into a parody of Hunter S. Thompson who very much believed in his own hype and only had one subject left he really wanted to talk/write about: Hunter S. thompson. He described a man trying very much to be like Uncle Duke from Doonesbury in honor of the visiting journo. As he wrote: "Parodies of great men are fun in comic books, but not in real life". Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Margalis on February 22, 2005, 01:57:10 AM That is a danger when the news reporters become the news makers. (Not that HST was a typical news reporter) Journalism that starts by injecting the journalist into the story often ends up being about the journalist entirely. (If you want a good example, read a Salon movie or book review, which is 90% about the reviewer and 10% about the material)
I don't believe in "Gonzo Journalism" at all. It's not journalism. It's amusement. Then again, most journalism is not real journalism. So I can say that "The Daily Show" is not a serious journalistic show, yet is as serious as Hannity and Colmes, Crossfire, or any nightly news program. Real journalism is basically dead in the US, killed by post-modernism. (Not just liberal post-modernism either) So barring that, something that makes you think and is entertaining is pretty good. Some would argue that real journalism never really existed, but I would argue back that people don't even try anymore. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 22, 2005, 02:34:00 AM Post-modernism :roll: Sorry, no offense to you, but I hate that word. The same goes for "modernism" or "pre-modernism". Quote Some would argue that real journalism never really existed, but I would argue back that people don't even try anymore. "Real" journalism never existed because objectivity does not exist (though I do believe "objective truth" does, but that's irrelevant...for now. We're just talking about perspective). How much exactly should people "try" anyways? No matter how much, it's ultimately pointless. The best you can ask for (at least in the case of journalism) is sincerity with what they do know. And if that's the case, Hunter didn't really do any different. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Jayce on February 22, 2005, 05:10:42 AM most people here would want to read one by Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, or Michael Savage. I'm fairly liberal, and I picked up Anne Coulter's book "Treason" or somesuch the other day. Just sayin'. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: HaemishM on February 22, 2005, 07:33:12 AM You don't go to HST for rational commentary. You go to the good Doctor for entertaining, psychotic ramblings that have an amazing amount of truth in them. Yes. He had a viewpoint, and he espoused it, but the motherfucker was never what you'd call rational. He wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything. He ran for mayor of Aspen under the FREAK POWER party. This was not a man so much interested in politics as he was interested in exposing the lies we all tell ourselves about politics. Read Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. It is NOT a political work. He makes just as much fun of the hippies and peaceniks and his own part in that as he does of any conservatism. Read Las Vegas and nothing else and you will have enough of a window on the man to get it. Do not ever read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail, as it will remind you more of the linked article than you'd like. His writings on politics aren't rational commentary, or exacting, factual journalism. They are skewed musings on politics through a mirror that reflects most darkly, and by the way, the mirror is covered in cocaine and LSD tabs. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Righ on February 22, 2005, 11:53:06 AM So long and Mahalo, Hunter. :cry:
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Margalis on February 22, 2005, 05:46:47 PM Sorry, no offense to you, but I hate that word. The same goes for "modernism" or "pre-modernism". Hey, I hate it too. It's retarded. What's next, post-post-modernism? Quote Some would argue that real journalism never really existed, but I would argue back that people don't even try anymore. "Real" journalism never existed because objectivity does not exist (though I do believe "objective truth" does, but that's irrelevant...for now. We're just talking about perspective). How much exactly should people "try" anyways? No matter how much, it's ultimately pointless. The best you can ask for (at least in the case of journalism) is sincerity with what they do know. And if that's the case, Hunter didn't really do any different. Perfect objectivity does not exist, but there are certainly different shades of gray. People SHOULD try. A real journalist attempts to report the facts as best they can, without color. It's the difference between suicide bombers and homocide bombers. The people saying homocide bombers aren't even trying to be accurate at all. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Triforcer on February 23, 2005, 12:26:21 AM Sorry, no offense to you, but I hate that word. The same goes for "modernism" or "pre-modernism". Hey, I hate it too. It's retarded. What's next, post-post-modernism? Quote Some would argue that real journalism never really existed, but I would argue back that people don't even try anymore. "Real" journalism never existed because objectivity does not exist (though I do believe "objective truth" does, but that's irrelevant...for now. We're just talking about perspective). How much exactly should people "try" anyways? No matter how much, it's ultimately pointless. The best you can ask for (at least in the case of journalism) is sincerity with what they do know. And if that's the case, Hunter didn't really do any different. Perfect objectivity does not exist, but there are certainly different shades of gray. People SHOULD try. A real journalist attempts to report the facts as best they can, without color. It's the difference between suicide bombers and homocide bombers. The people saying homocide bombers aren't even trying to be accurate at all. Homicide is defined as the murder of another person. Homocide bombers murder people. Get your head out of the ass of Arafat's corpse and don't say stupid shit. As a sheerly objective measure (homicide is killing other people) homicide bomber is the most accurate term, you just claim it isn't accurate because of your sympathy for the plight of the people of the suicide bomber or whatever. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Hanzii on February 23, 2005, 12:53:00 AM Homicide is defined as the murder of another person. Homocide bombers murder people. Get your head out of the ass of Arafat's corpse and don't say stupid shit. As a sheerly objective measure (homicide is killing other people) homicide bomber is the most accurate term, you just claim it isn't accurate because of your sympathy for the plight of the people of the suicide bomber or whatever. But that's not how language works, dickweed. You don't get to change the words and terms that are well established, just because you deem them inaccurate. It has nothing to do with objectivity. We don't use womyn or humyn either. There's a difference between attempting to be fair and to be immensely biased, but hiding it under slogans like 'fair and balanced' and a slew of "better" words. There's no real lack of objectivity in reporting today, just to many stupid viewers. But there's a lack of honesty. At least HST was honest about what he did. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Triforcer on February 23, 2005, 01:22:17 AM Homicide is defined as the murder of another person. Homocide bombers murder people. Get your head out of the ass of Arafat's corpse and don't say stupid shit. As a sheerly objective measure (homicide is killing other people) homicide bomber is the most accurate term, you just claim it isn't accurate because of your sympathy for the plight of the people of the suicide bomber or whatever. But that's not how language works, dickweed. You don't get to change the words and terms that are well established, just because you deem them inaccurate. It has nothing to do with objectivity. We don't use womyn or humyn either. Bullshit. YOU disagree with the term homicide bombers because it disagrees with YOUR politics. When someone kills someone else, what is the word the media uses? Murder or homicide. When someone shoots themself, what is the word used? Suicide. I don't get called a suicider if I run into an office building, waste 10 people, then kill myself. I'd be called a murderer. Why do you get to pretend you harmed nobody but yourself if you worship Allah and strap bombs to your chest? Woman and womyn is just semantics, but the term suicide bomber diminishes the value of human life. Homicide bomber is more accurate because it strips away any notion that what the terrorist is doing is noble or justifiable. He's a murderer, and the term puts him on a plane with other murderers. Be a man and come out and say you think its justified because of the evil Israeli Jews or whatever. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 23, 2005, 01:29:23 AM But there's a lack of honesty. At least HST was honest about what he did. Exactly. As far as "homicide" bombers go...Y'know, that is how language works. Words are meant to signify something, and in this case, "suicide" just doesn't cut it. Yeah, yeah, Fox News is trying to make a political statement by changing of words, but linguistically speaking, I think the word "homicide" is closer to the what the act entails. Edit: But then again, "homicide bomber" is a bit redundant isn't it? Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Margalis on February 23, 2005, 01:34:42 AM Homicide is defined as the murder of another person. Homocide bombers murder people. Get your head out of the ass of Arafat's corpse and don't say stupid shit. As a sheerly objective measure (homicide is killing other people) homicide bomber is the most accurate term, you just claim it isn't accurate because of your sympathy for the plight of the people of the suicide bomber or whatever. Ok. I am goign to try to have a rational discussion about this, although it is HARD. Tell me the difference between these 3 things: Bombing Suicide Bombing Homicide Bombing Now, tell me the difference between these 3 things: Bombing Homicide Bombing Homicide Bombing See the problem? A guy who blows himself up is a "homicide bomber." So were the guys who blew up the Ok Federal Building. But there is a large distinction between those: In one the perpetrator knowingly committed suicide. Suicide bomber conveys extra information. It has nothing to do with me "having my head up Arafat's ass." Seriously, drink the Kool-Aid much? And it has NOTHING to do with sympathy for suicide bombers. The whole premise if fallacious. People feel sorry for suicide bombers because it conveys a certain conviction or dedication or sacrifice, and they shouldn't feel sorry (or be allowed to decide for themselves) so let's just call it something else. How about, you tell me what happened, and I'll decide for myself to feel sorry for the person or not? I imagine suicide bombers run the gamut from guys who are just wholly indoctrinated to guys who are fucked in the head. I certainly don't have any great sympathy for them. But regardless, they DID commit suicide. If that makes people feel sympathetic, tough shit, because that's what actually happened. Let me just quote what you said again, because it is just that fucking dense: " Get your head out of the ass of Arafat's corpse and don't say stupid shit. As a sheerly objective measure (homicide is killing other people) homicide bomber is the most accurate term, you just claim it isn't accurate because of your sympathy for the plight of the people of the suicide bomber or whatever." So here you implied: a: I have some agenda that is aligned with Arafat. (false) b: I feel sorry for suicide bombers. (false) c: Homicide bomber is the best term. (false) a and b are not even debateable, that's just you going batshit crazy for no reason. As far a c) goes, suicide bomber conveys extra meaning. Maybe the next time someone reports on a murder-suicide we should just call it a double-murder? You know, so us crazy bleeding heart liberals won't feel all sorry for the guy that offed his wife and then himself. I don't think it's the job of the news to tell me who to feel sorry for. Thanks anyway. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Samwise on February 23, 2005, 01:40:14 AM At the risk of sliding further into this retarded linguistic sidetrack:
Look. By and large, when you "bomb" something, your intent is homicide. A guy who plants a car bomb is a "homicide bomber". A bomber plane is a "homicide bomber". The Unabomber was a "homicide bomber". And somebody who straps a bomb to his own chest is a "homicide bomber". Okay? That is what makes the term "homicide bomber" stupid. It's redundant. The point of adding a descriptor to a term is to make the term more specific. And adding "homicide" to "bomber" does jack all to specify anything. Now, look at my above four examples. What single word clearly delineates the guy strapping a bomb to his own chest from the other three? Could it be... SUICIDE? Why yes. So let's call that type of bomber a "suicide bombing". We'll call the type that's planted in a car a "car bomb". And let's call the Unabomber, oh, a "mail bomber". Hey look! We don't sound like retards! Go us! Now, going back to that example of "if I run into an office building, waste 10 people, then kill myself," you might be surprised to learn that there is an established term for that. Murder is one part of the term. Can you guess the other part? Could it be "murder homicide"? No, because that would be 100% redundant and whoever would be capable of coining such a mind-blowingly stupid term would surely have choked to death on his own ineptitude long before being able to set his creation to paper. The term is "murder suicide". Because it consists of one or more murders, and a suicide. How about that. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Margalis on February 23, 2005, 01:47:44 AM Bullshit. YOU disagree with the term homicide bombers because it disagrees with YOUR politics. When someone kills someone else, what is the word the media uses? What is the term when someone kills someone else, then themself? Murder-suicide. Quote I don't get called a suicider if I run into an office building, waste 10 people, then kill myself. That's where the bomber part comes in. 99% of bombings you hear about on TV kill people or are intended to kill people. And every single fucking one of those reports will give estimated casualty numbers. It's not like the entire news report is "some guy set off a bomb, on to the next story." It's more like "5 are reported dead after a suicide bombing." Quote Homicide bomber is more accurate because it strips away any notion that what the terrorist is doing is noble or justifiable. But here is the problem: HE DID COMMIT SUICIDE. I don't think that suicide is noble or justifiable, do you? If so, then these people clearly ARE noble and justified, because they ARE killing themselves. You can't deny the reality. a: People who commit suicide are noble. b: Some guy killed a bunch of people and himself. c: I guess he's noble...wait no..that's not right - let's just not say he killed himself! Yay! You have a faulty premise. You assuming that by giving people accurate information (that somone committed suicide, which they clearly did) they are going to come to a conclusion you deem incorrect. (That we should feel sorry for that person) Here is a novel concept: When I hear that someone blew up a busload of kids, and himself in the process, I really DON'T feel sorry for that person AT ALL. --- Again, suicide bomber is a better term because it more conveys extra information. You would have a better argument if the term "homicide bombing" was used in any way OTHER than to refer to suicide bombing. I mean that's just absurd. The term "homicide bombing" was invented to mask the suicide part of suicide bombing. Not everything that kills people is called homicide. Have you ever heard of homicide arson, or homicide hit-and-run. No. And before fox news invented it SPECIFICALLY TO DESCRIBE SUICIDE BOMBINGS you had never heard of a homicide bombing either. How about a homicide shooting, ever heard that one? I haven't. This is the funny part: Previously you could describe a bombing as a bombing, or as a suicide bombing. Now if you are a fox drone, you can use bombing or homicide bombing, the LATTER of which replaces suicide bombing. That's ludicrous. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 23, 2005, 01:51:59 AM Let's shut up and talk about Hunter again...This is stupid.
I cracked out my Criterion DVD of Fear & Loathing earlier to check out the extras (have had it for a year and didn't look at 'em yet). The documentary was kind of interesting throughout, but towards the end there, it started getting really morbid. He was saying things that make me think schild was probably right: That he had nothing else to say. Even in 1979 (when the film was made) he was already questioning himself and his writing. He was even going so far as to prepare for his funeral. I guess the 80's and 90's gave him plenty of material, and something to add fuel to the fire. Because if it didn't, it sounded like he was close to putting an end to it there. Anyways, no point...Just trying to rerail (and btw, if you don't have the Criterion DVD and you're a fan of HST, you should get it. 90% of the time, special edition DVD's aren't worth a damn, but this one is packed full of stuff. It's well worth it). Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Margalis on February 23, 2005, 02:00:57 AM Edit: Samwise said most of what I was going to say.
I think the hugely vast majority of people that are concerned with language (as in are avid readers of non-junk, decent writers, linguists, etc) would see that homicide bombing is just a politically motivated ploy and linguistic dead weight. But really, all that needs to be said can be gleaned by reading Triforcer's post. I object that "homicide bombing" loses information and I have my head up Arafat's ass and can barely live my life between the tears I constantly weep for those poor suicide bombers...the political motivations here are 100% transparent. Did it even occur to Triforcer that maybe I despised Arafat and have no sympathy for suicide bombers? Oh no, I've strayed slightly from the liberal gameplan, damn me! I hate abuse of language. The term is politically motivated abuse, but it's also just a dumb fucking term. It can join terms like "verbal rape" in the dictionary of stupid fucking nonsense that some dipshit made up to hamfistedly make a point. It offends me that it is so transparently political, but also in that it's just ugly useless language. We should take the Fox News memo writers and drop them off on an Island along with Noam Chomsky and that bitch that runs the Feminist Majority and nuke them. (That's a perfect example of language abuse, the "Feminist Majority." Just the fucking name is horrible abuse. That woman is probably the most disagreeable, dishonest bitch I've ever met by far.) No wait, Triforcer, forgive me: Homicide nuke them. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Cheddar on February 23, 2005, 02:15:35 AM Back on topic please? We have 2 threads in the Den already derailed. I hope Mr. Thompson found what he was searching for, he will be missed. Another fallen hero :-(
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Abagadro on February 23, 2005, 06:52:57 AM Yes, I will miss his book-literature as well as his magazine-periodical pieces. He was quite the human-man and enjoyed taking his drug-substances and shooting his gun-firearms.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Roac on February 23, 2005, 07:10:57 AM Homicide is defined as the murder of another person. Homocide bombers murder people. Get your head out of the ass of Arafat's corpse and don't say stupid shit. As a sheerly objective measure (homicide is killing other people) homicide bomber is the most accurate term, you just claim it isn't accurate because of your sympathy for the plight of the people of the suicide bomber or whatever. What a tool. Comedians have poked fun at language for years, some making careers out of it. You slow down in a speed zone, and all that. Language is full of oddities, some of them somewhat amusing. In this case though, it's not cute, it's not clever, and a lot of the people using that phrase are trying to be socially manipulative. People understand just fine what the original phrase means, and the only reason to change it is to try and earn attention for themselves and change focus. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: HaemishM on February 23, 2005, 07:51:05 AM We'll have no more twatflapping about homicide bombers and suicide bombers. Take that discussion here (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=2279.0).
Talk about Hunter S. Thompson and his death. Be respectful of him and his family and his fans, of which I am obviously one. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Hanzii on February 23, 2005, 12:17:28 PM We'll have no more twatflapping about homicide bombers and suicide bombers. Take that discussion here (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=2279.0). Talk about Hunter S. Thompson and his death. Be respectful of him and his family and his fans, of which I am obviously one. I can't be respectful. Going by the way Triforcer thinks language works, I can blame HST for murdering a really good writer and one of the last intelligent Americans. The bastard. I do however respect you, so I'll shut up now and go to the library and pick up some of his newer stuff... I might be mistaken in what I wrote in my first post. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: schild on February 23, 2005, 12:19:58 PM Hey Rube is the only thing of his I haven't really read in depth. It's supposed to be great.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Sky on February 23, 2005, 01:31:57 PM Somehow I've never read the guy's work. Just put a reserve in for Fear & Loathing.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Hanzii on February 23, 2005, 01:38:06 PM I just did something I find immensely respectful.
I created a hunter named Sthompson... unfortunately he couldn't be an undead. (and just to crosspollute all the HST threads: No Way, I haven't met/fought any from Bat Country - this is the euro servers) Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: schild on February 23, 2005, 01:40:55 PM I almost resubbed to make Stockton, the hunter. But I think I'm just going to make him a superhero when new clothes are put in with Issue 4 in CoH. Gadgets etc, hopefully they'll have hawaiin shirts in and MAYBE if they have the balls, cigarettes.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: OcellotJenkins on February 24, 2005, 06:26:03 AM Update (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2727163,00.html)
Another Update (http://www.aspendailynews.com/articles.cfm?id=3) Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Righ on February 24, 2005, 08:27:49 AM We used to fire some pretty big cannons in the Sealed Knot and ECWS, much bigger than the 12-pounder Napoleons. It would be lovely and more fitting to see HST take flight from one of Rodman's guns (http://www.cwartillery.org/ve/rodman.html) however.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: HaemishM on February 24, 2005, 08:50:49 AM I really hope they manage to pull off the cannon thing. I can think of no more fitting sendoff for the man.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Shockeye on February 25, 2005, 10:19:50 AM Quote from: AP Says he wanted her to come home (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1999553) ASPEN, Colo. -- The widow of journalist Hunter S. Thompson said her husband killed himself while the two were talking on the phone. "I was on the phone with him, he set the receiver down and he did it. I heard the clicking of the gun," Anita Thompson told the Aspen Daily News in Friday's editions. She said her husband had asked her to come home from a health club so they could work on his weekly ESPN column -- but instead of saying goodbye, he set the telephone down and shot himself. Thompson said she heard a loud, muffled noise, but didn't know what had happened. "I was waiting for him to get back on the phone," she said. Hunter Thompson, famous for "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and other works of New Journalism, shot himself in the head Sunday in the kitchen of his Aspen-area home. He was 67. His son, daughter-in-law and 6-year-old grandson were in the house when the shooting occurred. "The way he chose to do it was not a surprise, but the timing was a total, total surprise," Juan Thompson said Wednesday in an interview with The Associated Press. Anita Thompson, 32, said her husband had discussed killing himself in recent months and had been issuing verbal and written directives about what he wanted done with his body, his unpublished works and his assets. His suicidal talk put a strain on their relationship, she said. "He wanted to leave on top of his game. I wish I could have been more supportive of his decision," she said. "It was a problem for us." Juan Thompson said the "gonzo journalist" was not acting out of pain or desperation but probably decided it was time for him to go. "One thing he said many times was that 'I'm a road man for the lords of karma.' It's cryptic, but there's an implication there that he may have decided that his work was done and that he didn't want to overstay his welcome; it was time to go," the 40-year-old son said by telephone from his father's home. "He was not unhappy, he was not depressed, none of the things you would associate with someone who took his own life," he said. Juan Thompson said his father had been in pain from a hip replacement, a broken leg and back surgery, but "I really don't believe it was motivated by pain." Thompson was cremated Tuesday in Glenwood Springs. A private memorial service will be held March 5 in Aspen, with a public commemoration planned for spring or summer. Thompson's family is looking into firing his ashes from a cannon, as he had wanted. "It's a realistic possibility," the son said. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Big Gulp on February 25, 2005, 11:08:25 AM Hey, I'm not going to look down on anyone for killing themself, but doing it while your son, his wife, and your grandkid are home, and while you're on the phone with your wife?
You sir, are a douchebag of the first order and I hope you rot in hell. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: HaemishM on February 25, 2005, 11:43:04 AM Hey, I'm not going to look down on anyone for killing themself, but doing it while your son, his wife, and your grandkid are home, and while you're on the phone with your wife? You sir, are a douchebag of the first order and I hope you rot in hell. While I won't agree with the rot in hell part, I would agree that was a bit of a douchebag move. HST was never noted for not being an asshole, though. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Furiously on February 25, 2005, 12:32:03 PM His description of how to pull over when a cop turns on his lights behind you is worth the read of Fear and Loathing.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Train Wreck on February 25, 2005, 01:53:21 PM His last column? Shotgun Golf with Bill Murray (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1992213). I've never heard of him before, but that column was genius. It reminds me of OMM and SB. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Hanzii on February 25, 2005, 02:01:43 PM Sad.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Miasma on February 25, 2005, 02:04:23 PM His description of how to pull over when a cop turns on his lights behind you is worth the read of Fear and Loathing. I first saw, what I presume to be that quote, on the forum index of this site (Magic: The Gathering Online description). I kept reading it over and over because I liked it, the other quotes too. I meant to go find a copy back then but an English major friend of mine talked me out of it.I think I'll try to find a copy on the way home tonight, but it seems a bit ghoulish now. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Furiously on February 25, 2005, 02:23:59 PM Yea that's the start of it. He also talks about putting the tire pressure up to something like 65 for a nice ride.....
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Strazos on February 25, 2005, 02:41:56 PM Yea that's the start of it. He also talks about putting the tire pressure up to something like 65 for a nice ride..... A nice ride on what, bare rims? Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Furiously on February 25, 2005, 02:49:27 PM Oh - like you've never abused a rental car?
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Signe on February 25, 2005, 02:51:23 PM I love rental cars. They are the fastest cars in the world.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Strazos on February 25, 2005, 03:30:56 PM Oh - like you've never abused a rental car? Nope, me < 23 (rental age in NJ). I don't really know of anyone who rents the kind of cars that fit my tastes....econoboxes make me ill. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Big Gulp on February 25, 2005, 04:18:02 PM I don't really know of anyone who rents the kind of cars that fit my tastes....econoboxes make me ill. Alamo, my friend. All leather interior, kickin' sound system. Life is good. Although, I have made my best time ever from Colorado to Michigan in of all things, a Ryder truck. 18 hours flat out, I kept the gas to the floor the whole time, only stopped for gas, and pissed in bottles to make my time. Also, the governor on those things will only let you go 90 mph, but I kept it pegged at that the whole time. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Abagadro on February 25, 2005, 04:40:11 PM Hey, I'm not going to look down on anyone for killing themself, but doing it while your son, his wife, and your grandkid are home, and while you're on the phone with your wife? You sir, are a douchebag of the first order and I hope you rot in hell. Doesn't seem like they minded all that much. (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3575306,00.html) Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Strazos on February 25, 2005, 04:52:11 PM Doesn't seem like they minded all that much. (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3575306,00.html) That is just bizarre. http://www.alamo.com/fleet.do?countryId=US Big bag of no thanks. Hertz carries Mustangs, though usually not in GT trim. I'm really picky with cars. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Big Gulp on February 25, 2005, 05:51:40 PM http://www.alamo.com/fleet.do?countryId=US Big bag of no thanks. Hertz carries Mustangs, though usually not in GT trim. I'm really picky with cars. It's a fucking rental car. What, you were looking for something to pimp in? Jesus Christ, it's a conveyance that you rent to get you from A to B while you trash it because it's not yours. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Strazos on February 25, 2005, 07:44:07 PM [It's a fucking rental car. What, you were looking for something to pimp in? Jesus Christ, it's a conveyance that you rent to get you from A to B while you trash it because it's not yours. Silly rabbit, pimping's for kids. But anyway, for most people driving is just a hum-drum activity, akin to simple walking. But for other people, it's something a lot more....fun, for one. And I don't mean trashing it....more like driving with style, precision, power, and awareness. Sure, I could drive a Seabring or Focus....but higher amount of power and handling tolerances mean a higher degree of fun...and I hate driving when it's not fun. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 25, 2005, 08:09:39 PM EDIT: Forget it. This one is pretty hopeless....
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Strazos on February 25, 2005, 09:07:19 PM Bleh, I went through the trouble to look up the spelling of Nurburgring, found something really interesting....then come back and see you edited your post...
Bah. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 25, 2005, 10:09:00 PM Nurburgring Sorry :| Now I'll never know what I missed. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: murdoc on February 25, 2005, 10:17:42 PM Silly rabbit, pimping's for kids. But anyway, for most people driving is just a hum-drum activity, akin to simple walking. But for other people, it's something a lot more....fun, for one. And I don't mean trashing it....more like driving with style, precision, power, and awareness. Sure, I could drive a Seabring or Focus....but higher amount of power and handling tolerances mean a higher degree of fun...and I hate driving when it's not fun. Just out of curiousity, what kind of car(s) do you own? Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: TheWalrus on February 25, 2005, 11:54:08 PM I have to agree with Strazos on this one, if only because driving is my meditation. I love driving. And not just puttin down the road, but pushing the vehicle to its threshold of "OHFUCKIMGONNADIE".
Amazingly enough, I only get tickets for the small stuff. It's really hard to not laugh and say, " You think I was goin fast here, you shoulda caught me three miles back! Want a beer?" So yeah, the Geos and econo cars...aren't cuttin it. Unless you're shooting for hang time. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on February 26, 2005, 03:12:45 AM Hey, I love driving too. But like Big Gulp said: It's just a rental car.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Signe on February 26, 2005, 05:53:40 AM Driving on roads in Britain and other bits of Europe (NOT Switzerland) = fun.
Driving on roads in the US = not so much. Driving on a circuit at 200 MPH = fun anywhere. Of course, Righ is the one who took fast driving lessons from people who race so I always get to be the passenger... but it's still a hoot! Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: TheWalrus on February 26, 2005, 08:15:40 AM Driving in Paris was the most fun I've had, ever. Seemed like it was one big open road course. Sure there were lines painted on the road, but nobody paid attention to em. Traffic just FLOWED. It was beautiful. Didn't see any wrecks, but then it seemed like people were paying more attention to what was going on than your average American trying to eat a burger and talk on the phone while looking for that quarter that just rolled under the seat.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Righ on February 28, 2005, 08:21:45 AM I believe that this (http://www.bluechipcars.co.uk/) is the sort of car rental that Strazos is looking for. Time for that UK vacation.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Ookii on February 28, 2005, 08:33:06 AM Quote ASPEN, Colo. (AP) - The family of writer Hunter S. Thompson is looking for a cannon to blast his remains skyward, honoring a wish he often expressed. Anyone wishing to provide the cannon is asked to write a 100-word essay and mail it to the Aspen Daily News, which will pass the entries on to Thompson's family. http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=54e539c0-0abe-421a-01df-64cbbddb4bb0&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf I'm sure if someone from f13.net actually won the contest it would be an excuse for Schild to buy an f13.net canon, and then just imagine the possibilities! Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Signe on February 28, 2005, 08:43:34 AM Ookii foobarred the thread! Off to the Den with him!
Oh wait.... Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Strazos on February 28, 2005, 01:13:06 PM I believe that this (http://www.bluechipcars.co.uk/) is the sort of car rental that Strazos is looking for. Time for that UK vacation. At those rates, my vacation would span about 1 day....but OMGWTFBBQFTW sweet nonetheless. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: ClydeJr on February 28, 2005, 01:17:46 PM http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3575306,00.html
Quote Anita Thompson does not know why Hunter Thompson chose the .45 from his vast collection of guns. But he was deft with his death. "He did not destroy his face," Anita Thompson says. "He did it in his mouth. His face was beautiful. It was quick. It was not grisly or gruesome by any means. That's probably why he took that gun. He spared us a gruesome scene." The guy shot him self in the mouth with a .45. Isn't that a pretty big caliber gun? Wouldn't it make a pretty nasty mess of the back of his head? How could that not be considered grisly or gruesome? Bleh... Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Strazos on February 28, 2005, 02:21:27 PM A real man would have used a .50 Magnum, or Desert Eagle or somesuch.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Paelos on February 28, 2005, 02:24:33 PM A real man would have used a .50 Magnum, or Desert Eagle or somesuch. "A real man" would be having a closed casket. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: schild on February 28, 2005, 05:55:27 PM A real man would have used a .50 Magnum, or Desert Eagle or somesuch. "A real man" would be having a closed casket. He's getting shot from a cannon posthumously. I don't think you can beat that. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Paelos on February 28, 2005, 09:23:04 PM A real man would have used a .50 Magnum, or Desert Eagle or somesuch. "A real man" would be having a closed casket. He's getting shot from a cannon posthumously. I don't think you can beat that. (http://battellemedia.com/images/walter_can.jpg) Be careful with the ashes. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Joe on March 01, 2005, 05:49:24 AM A real man would have used a .50 Magnum, or Desert Eagle or somesuch. He used a .45 for chrissakes. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Ardent on March 01, 2005, 01:16:11 PM Quote from: MaceVanHoffen I enjoyed Fear and Loathing immensely ... I think the book works as pure entertainment: a window into the world of heavy, psychadelic drug use for those of us who have no experience with that world. Interesting. I read FALILV for a New Journalism class in college (the early '90s), and thought it had its moments, but that I was probably too young and the wrong generation to fully grok it. I skipped the pages that were little more than laundry lists of drugs. I'm also someone who has never dabbled in psychedelia, and I always thought you had to know the experience of drug binging to really "get" FALILV. But your post states the opposite. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: MaceVanHoffen on March 01, 2005, 01:28:37 PM Quote from: MaceVanHoffen I enjoyed Fear and Loathing immensely ... I think the book works as pure entertainment: a window into the world of heavy, psychadelic drug use for those of us who have no experience with that world. Interesting. I read FALILV for a New Journalism class in college (the early '90s), and thought it had its moments, but that I was probably too young and the wrong generation to fully grok it. I skipped the pages that were little more than laundry lists of drugs. I'm also someone who has never dabbled in psychedelia, and I always thought you had to know the experience of drug binging to really "get" FALILV. But your post states the opposite. Well, I read and love Philip K. Dick too, and not just the mainstream stuff. My enjoyment of HST's work is consistent with my strangeness. On some level, I'm probably a drug voyeur. Plus, I have to admit that some of my enjoyment of HST comes from the fact that I find his political writings to be brilliant. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Sky on March 01, 2005, 01:42:40 PM I'm reading F&L in LV right now. I dunno, just seems like me rambling on about the band days. Decent read, not sure what the big deal is, but that's probably because I'm reading it in 2004 and not 1974. The world had already died long ago, the wounds no longer fresh, scars barely visible in books like this.
Reading the LSD stuff is pretty wild, given my own experiences (vast) with the substance as a young man. One summer my band tripped every single day, excepting weekends, when we'd allow our systems to clean out so the LSD would become effective again. When he wrote that bit about needing golf shoes with cleats to get across the floor, trying to 'maintain' (our exact word for it, too), all that brought those memories back. I think enough people around here play games with the language enough that some of his good language interplay is also somewhat lost on me, or at least taken for granted. Still, good read. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on March 01, 2005, 01:45:17 PM Well, I read and love Philip K. Dick too, and not just the mainstream stuff. My enjoyment of HST's work is consistent with my strangeness. On some level, I'm probably a drug voyeur. Plus, I have to admit that some of my enjoyment of HST comes from the fact that I find his political writings to be brilliant. Well, if you can understand or enjoy Phillip K. Dick, then I think you have a rough idea of what psychedelic drugs are like. Not that tripping on acid or shrooms is like a PKD story, but what I mean is, if you can grasp his train of thought (or Hunter's), then you have a good idea. It barely has anything to do with hallucinating and being bombarded with strange visions, and more to do with perceiving the world in a (for lack of words) deeply metaphoric level. The hallucinations are just a part of it. Maybe "metaphor" is not the right word. It's just more to do with pattern association..or something. You ever seen a crack in the wall, and pictured a face or some other recognizable image from life? Or have you ever been mesmerized by a strange pattern on someone's carpet? Hallucinations usually start off the same way. Sometimes things get out hand, and you take things to their most nonsensical conclusion, but all in all, it's more of a philosophical experience than it is a visionary one. "Bad trips" are not the result of people seeing something disturbing, but the result of someone taking a thought to it's most frightening conclusion. And believing in it (which is easy to do under the influence of a drug that makes you question what's real or not). Hrm, I'm probably not making sense. It's hard to really explain the experience, so I'm not really making an effort here, I guess. So just take that for what it's worth. Point is, I think anyone who is able to think philosophically can easily understand HST without missing something. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: HaemishM on March 01, 2005, 02:15:56 PM You want nasty drug assoctiation stories? Read William Burroughs. Then we'll talk.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on March 01, 2005, 02:30:09 PM You want nasty drug assoctiation stories? Read William Burroughs. Then we'll talk. Burroughs was more of a heroin junky though. I like Burroughs, but I don't think he was making a chronicle out of real experiences. At least not with the crazy stuff you'd read about in Naked Lunch. Heroin is just a nerve drug --- think of taking a good painkiller and multiply the experience by 20. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: MaceVanHoffen on March 01, 2005, 02:33:41 PM You want nasty drug assoctiation stories? Read William Burroughs. Then we'll talk. Oh man, I'd forgotten about Naked Lunch. Even though I've only read it once, I feel like I've read a dozen times simply because I had to keep going to back to reread passages to understand the plot (and I use that term loosely). I can't say I enjoyed that book, though. The wierdness was great, it was just .... something. Characters maybe. Perhaps the writing style. It just didn't grab me the way other counterculture fiction has. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: HaemishM on March 01, 2005, 02:36:44 PM You'll be one of only about 2 or 3 people I know who ever finished Naked Lunch. Plot is not something I'd say it has. PlotS, maybe. The Soft Machine and Nova Express are pretty much the same way. If you want something with just one plot, read his Junky, an earlier biographical work about trying to kick dope.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Ardent on March 01, 2005, 04:50:37 PM You want nasty drug assoctiation stories? Read William Burroughs. Then we'll talk. No thanks. Drug stuff is pretty boring to the sober. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: stray on March 01, 2005, 05:16:30 PM No thanks. Drug stuff is pretty boring to the sober. Ironically, my life has been pretty boring ever since I quit living like that. Not to say I regret my decision. I've learned all I could out of it. But I've had a hard time finding a good group of "sober" friends ever since. Even if I'm sober myself now. Where the hell are all the cool people in the world, who aren't at the same time, completely dangerous (or at the very least, not entirely helpful) to hang out with? I hate conventionalism just as much as I do recklessness. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Margalis on March 01, 2005, 05:37:40 PM Dick is awesome. (Insert jokes here)
If you like Dick (more jokes) you migth also try some Cordwainer Smith. (I might be spelling that wrong) It's kind of out there a bit - there is some mad intelligence at work there that's 1/2 brilliance and 1/2 just plain wacky. I would say that it's imaginitive but it's more than that. The production of someone who's brain works bit differently than normal. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Ardent on March 01, 2005, 05:48:28 PM Where the hell are all the cool people in the world, who aren't at the same time, completely dangerous (or at the very least, not entirely helpful) to hang out with? I hate conventionalism just as much as I do recklessness. You'll find them. It takes time and patience. And the best part is, once you find them, you'll live long enough to enjoy them. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Shockeye on March 05, 2005, 01:50:37 PM Put on your tinfoil hats, people. (http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/hunter_s_thompson_suicided_for_911_story.htm)
Quote from: The Globe and Mail Alexander Pope in a prose convertible (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2FArticleNews%2FTPStory%2FLAC%2F20050226%2FHUNTER26%2FTPFocus%2F&ord=1110059252689&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true) By PAUL WILLIAM ROBERTS Saturday, February 26, 2005, Page F9 Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ." Quote from: Info Wars Hunter S. Thompson ... was indeed working on such a story. Now check out this February 25 Associated Press story about Thompson's death. Sounds a lot like a professional hit with a silencer: "I was on the phone with him, he set the receiver down and he did it. I heard the clicking of the gun," Anita Thompson told the Aspen Daily News in Friday's editions. She said her husband had asked her to come home from a health club so they could work on his weekly ESPN column... Thompson said she heard a loud, muffled noise, but didn't know what had happened. "I was waiting for him to get back on the phone," she said. (Her account to Rocky Mountain News reporter Jeff Kass is slightly different: "I did not hear any bang," she told Kass. She added that Thompson's son, who was in the house at the time, believed that a book had fallen when he heard the shot, according to Kass' report.) Mack White sums up the questions well: Thompson's family says he was not depressed, nor was he in enough to pain to kill himself. In fact, by all reports, he was quite happy. He was talking on the phone to his wife, getting ready to work on his column, when he decided it would be wise to kill himself, so that he could go out (we are told) while "still at the top of his form," even though this would mean not finishing his column or his expose on 9/11 (potentially the most important thing he would ever write) (?)... RELATED: Hunter S. Thompson Suicide Story Changes This account says Thompson killed himself while sitting in a chair on his typewriter and yet the original account tells us that Thompson shot himself while talking to his wife on the phone in the kitchen. Why has the story changed andwhat is the significance of the word typed on the paper in light of the fact that Thompson said he would be 'suicided' before being able to release a major story on explosives bringing down the twin towers? RELATED: Hunter S. Thompson thought 9/11 an inside job Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: schild on March 05, 2005, 02:23:39 PM If Nixon couldn't and didn't kill him, no one else was going to. Or at least, that's my theory.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: TheWalrus on March 06, 2005, 12:10:34 PM We're dealing with a much angrier and not as smart white man in power now. Those combinations are always more dangerous.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: HaemishM on March 07, 2005, 09:58:57 AM Wow, so now Hunter can go down in history with Jim Morrison, Bruce Lee, and John F. Kennedy as symbols for guys whose shorts are too tight? Shit.
I tend to agree with schild on this one. If Nixon didn't have him whacked, no one would. Charges set at the foundations of the World Trade Center? WTF? Not only would that require advance knowledge that the attack was taking place on said certain day, it also just doesn't make physical sense to me based on what I watched on 9-11. Someone's reaching. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Shockeye on March 08, 2005, 01:33:20 PM Quote from: AP Stars Attend Hunter S. Thompson Memorial (http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20050308/D88MV5GG0.html?PG=home&SEC=news) Mar 8, 1:45 PM (ET) ASPEN, Colo. (AP) - Johnny Depp and Bill Murray, who both portrayed Hunter S. Thompson in films, joined Sean Penn, Jack Nicholson and others over the weekend to remember the gonzo journalist at a private memorial. Depp, who played the part of Thompson in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas," read a passage from the book in which Thompson rues the end of the '60s, according to a Rocky Mountain News reporter. The reporter was given permission by Thompson's family after Saturday's memorial to report on the event. The eccentric Thompson, 67, shot himself at his home near Aspen on Feb. 20 after weeks of pain from a host of physical problems that included a broken leg and a hip replacement. At the memorial, neighbor and actor Don Johnson remembered once asking Thompson: What is the sound of one hand clapping? Thompson responded by slapping Johnson across the face. If only he hadn't stopped at one slap. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Shockeye on March 17, 2005, 01:43:12 PM Quote from: "Some Tinfoil Hat Wearer Jeff Gannon, Johnny Gosch, Hunter Thompson, and Bohemian Grove Snuff Porn (http://www.intl-news.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=819) Posted on Wednesday, March 02 @ 09:35:59 PST by joeb Columnists I've been watching this story percolate since the weekend, and with Thursday's return of "Jeff Gannon" to the blogosphere with a column entitled "Fear and Loathing in the Press Room" really bringing it all full circle, several questions are begged here. As the Jeff Gannon story progressed and turned into a Bush White House homosexual prostitution scandal, Internet investigators started asking if there could be a connection to the previous Bush White House homosexual prostitution scandal. If you recall, the stories of 15-year-old callboys wandering through the White House in the middle of the night was linked to the "Franklin Cover-Up" case exposed by Nebraska State Sen. John DeCamp. In that case, a Republican operative named Larry King was involved with procuring boys and girls from Boys Town in Nebraska and elsewhere and entrapping them in a child sex-slave and espionage ring. King, with an annual salary of under 20K, was throwing sex parties for the powerful in a $5,000-a-month condo in Washingotn, DC; apparently taping the proceedings for blackmail purposes. One of the victims of this ring was one Paul Bonacci, who testified in court proceedings that he helped kidnap Johnny Gosch into this ring in 1982. It was apparently at 2:29 AM, Sunday, Feb. 20 that the question was first asked -- is "Jeff Gannon" really Johnny Gosch? By the end of the day, Hunter S. Thompson was reported dead. This is where it gets really interesting. Bonacci also testified that he was forced in July 1984 to participate in a homosexual/pedophilic/necrophilic orgy at (what has since been identified as) the Bohemian Grove; all of which was filmed. And according to Bonacci, the man in charge of the filming was someone picked up in Las Vegas on the plane headed to the Grove, a man who Bonacci was told was one "Hunter Thompson." No doubt most people who came across this information in the past and were familiar with Thompson's work dismissed the idea that the man behind the camera could have been the famous writer. After all, this was a man who has been fighting the like of Nixon and Bush his entire career. But could Thompson have been brought to the Grove by someone who presented it as an opportunity to investigate what the power elite was up to behind closed doors? Could Thompson have quickly found himself in over his head, compromised, by virtue of his very presence at this horrific crime, by the men he thought he was investigating undercover? (Or perhaps compromised some other way -- perhaps for instance, he was surreptiously filmed with an adult female prostitute who was then murdered. But I digress.) But back for now to the "Who is Jeff Gannon?" question. James D. Guckert seems to have appeared out of nowhere around 1999, setting up male escort websites. In profiles on these sites from around 2001, "Jeff" said he was 31 years old, closer to Johnny Gosch's age than James Guckert's. (Guckert/Gannon claims to be 47 today.) "Jeff Gannon" aka "James Guckert" also was attending alumni events at the TKE fraternity of West Chester college in Pennsylvania. Local media called the college and confirmed that a "James Guckert" graduated from West Chester in 1980; but apparently no one has checked yearbooks and such to confirm if the same man seems to be depicted. Could "James Guckert" be just another false identity? Another Democratic Underground investigator found 1986 and 1987 pictures of a "Jeff Guckert" from Fairview High School, in that same Pennsylvania/Delaware border area that "James D. Guckert" (aka "Jeff Gannon") claimed residence on his escort & porn websites and was cited for $20,000 in back taxes. "Jeff Guckert" would have been about the same age as Johnny Gosch when he was playing high school golf. Did Gosch go on to assume the identity of "James Guckert," a man ten years older than himself, some time in the 1990s? Consider this, from his mother Noreen's Johnny Gosch Foundation website in 2001: Johnny was subjected to severe trauma and torture of a satanic and sexual nature, in order to intentionally destroy the conscious personality.... brainwashing. This intentional application of trauma is a systematic procedure used to control these victims, in order to use them in sexual slavery, pornography and more. In February 1999, in Federal Court testimony in Omaha Nebraska, Noreen Gosch [pictured] testified that Johnny Gosch came to see her in 1997, providing information about his experience, asking for his mother's help and pleading for her to not reveal his visit. Johnny is now 31 years old. After years of suffering tremendous torture and pain at the hands of his captors, being used and abused, he and several others escaped. They have been living in hiding under new identities... they fear for their lives. People ask ... why is it necessary for someone to hide and live this way..... It is simple, Johnny can identify many of the people involved and would be a threat to the very people who took him. He is known as the "chameleon". Why? Because he can so completely change his appearance. Chameleon? Again, on DU, someone points to a purple blemish on Jeff's chest in one of his circa 2002 "escort" photos, asking if that is the mark left by birthmark removal. According tohis mother Johnny "the Chameleon" Gosch still had the birthmark in 1997. In one of his first interviews, on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360, "Jeff Gannon" said "James Guckert" "s the name on my driver's license." His handlers have apparently warned him on that point and he now claims it is his "given name." So, what's the deal here? Is Jeff Gannon really Johnny Gosch? Noreen Gosch refuses to confirm or deny. If Gannon is Gosch, what is going on with him? Is his strange behavior a result of years of brainwashing? Or is it something more? Is it possible he drew attention to himself during that January 26 press conference to pique the curiousity of citizen investigators? To draw attention to the dark side of the past 24 years of the Bush regime? He invited this investigation after the press conference (and before the "escort" revelations) by publishing a column titled "Hiding in Plain Sight." This was within days of Franklin cover-up figure George Paul's Bishop sudden arrest. And, did that investigation have anything to do with the death of Hunter Thompson? Sherman Skolnick and Tom Heneghen at Cloak & Dagger Internet Radio say Thompson was working on a book about high-level sex rings; though they haven't offered a source. But that claim aside, we still have the timing of Thompson's reported death coinciding with these investigations. Did Thompson kill himself out of shame for his part in what happened at the Grove? Was he murdered to shut him up? Or did he fake his death to go underground while all this was breaking? Is there anything at all to these questions? "Jeff Gannon" hints at a "yes" by putting up a new website headlined by a piece titled after Thompson's most famous works. It's all "in plain sight" -- albeit through the looking glass. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: HaemishM on March 17, 2005, 01:59:27 PM Can't we just kill Gannon and get his stupidity out of our existence forever?
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Paelos on March 17, 2005, 02:28:56 PM Can't we just kill Gannon and get his stupidity out of our existence forever? (http://www.algonet.se/~longbow/zelda/ganon.gif) I did, but he keeps coming back. I think my save is busted. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: schild on March 18, 2005, 10:26:55 AM Lookit what I got in the mail today: (http://www.f13.net/schild/bwh.jpg) :-D Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Shockeye on August 17, 2005, 10:43:23 AM Quote from: Pittsburgh Live Gonzo Zambelli send-off for Hunter S. Thompson (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/regional/s_364466.html) Wednesday, August 17, 2005 Gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson's final journey began early today as his ashes left New Castle packed in 34 fireworks shells. The Thompson family hired fireworks giant Zambelli Internationale to fulfill the writer's last wish of having his ashes scattered in a fireworks show over his Owl Farm estate in Woody Creek, Colo., near Aspen. "We've been working on this for seven to eight months, since he passed away," company spokeswoman Marcy Zambelli said Tuesday. "This would probably rank as one of the most unusual requests we've had." Zambelli workers custom-designed the brown paper cylindrical shells, which will be part of the aerial display shot out of a 157-foot-tall cannon. The $2 million invitation-only display, paid for by actor Johnny Depp, will take place at sunset Saturday. "It's more of a launcher rather than a cannon," said Thompson family spokesman Matt Mosely, of Denver-based GBSM Communications. Thompson, 67, shot himself at his home in February. The renowned counterculture author, whose works included "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas," had revealed the idea for scattering his ashes in a 1978 BBC interview. "I learned a long time ago not to question his wishes," Mosely said. Thompson's widow, Anita, arrived by limousine at Zambelli's Lawrence County plant Aug. 9 to deliver his ashes to the plant superintendent. They were in a plastic bag inside an ornate, inscribed wooden box, Zambelli said. "It was very emotional. She had tears in her eyes when she handed the box over," Zambelli said. "It was very important for the family to meet everyone in the plant involved in the project. They wanted to know how the ashes would be treated." A convoy of Anita Thompson's friends will follow the truck carrying the shells, Zambelli said. The trip covers more than 1,600 miles. The launching tower weighs 2 1/2 tons, topped with Thompson's signature gonzo fist emblem -- a double-thumbed fist clenched around a dagger with a peyote button in the middle. A peyote button is the crown of cactus containing the psychedelic drug mescaline. About 350 friends and family will attend the ceremony. Mosely said Depp is involved because the actor and Thompson became close after Depp portrayed the writer in the "Fear and Loathing" movie. Zambelli project coordinator Matt Wood, who designed the Thompson tribute, said the show strikes a delicate balance. "We're working very closely with the family and want to keep some things private," said Wood, who is leaving today for Aspen for three dress rehearsals. "It is a funeral." Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: HaemishM on August 17, 2005, 12:09:07 PM Rock on.
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Soukyan on August 17, 2005, 01:45:02 PM Heard about that this morning on NPR. Was interesting toh hear as New Castle is about 30 minutes north of where I live. Fun stuff. And Zambelli is damn good. Way to go out with a bang, HST. ;)
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Shockeye on August 21, 2005, 07:26:39 AM Quote from: AP Writer’s ashes going, going, gonzo! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9018348/) Hunter S. Thompson memorialized with fireworks Updated: 11:40 p.m. ET Aug. 20, 2005 WOODY CREEK, Colo. - With a deafening boom, the ashes of Hunter S. Thompson were blown into the sky amid fireworks late Saturday as relatives and a star-studded crowd bid an irreverent farewell to the founder of “gonzo journalism”. As the ashes erupted from a tower, red, white, blue and green fireworks lit up the sky over Thompson’s home near Aspen. The 15-story tower was modeled after Thompson’s logo: a clenched fist, made symmetrical with two thumbs, rising from the hilt of a dagger. It was built between his home and a tree-covered canyon wall, not far from a tent filled with merrymakers. “He loved explosions,” explained his wife, Anita Thompson. The private celebration included actors Bill Murray and Johnny Depp, rock bands, blowup dolls and plenty of liquor to honor Thompson, who killed himself six months ago at the age of 67. Security guards kept reporters and the public away from the compound as the 250 invited guests arrived, but Thompson’s fans scouted the surrounding hills for the best view of the celebration. “We just threw a gallon of Wild Turkey in the back and headed west,” said Kevin Coy of Chester, W.Va., who drove more than 1,500 miles with a friend in hopes of seeing the celebration. “We came to pay our respects.” Thompson fatally shot himself in his kitchen Feb. 20, apparently despondent over his declining health. The memorial, however, was planned as a party, with readings and scheduled performances by both Lyle Lovett and the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. The author’s longtime illustrator, Ralph Steadman, and actor Sean Penn were on the invitation list, along with Depp, who portrayed Thompson in the 1998 movie version of “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas: A Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream,” perhaps the writer’s best-known work. “Over the last few months I’ve learned that he really touched people more deeply than I had realized,” said Thompson’s son, Juan. Thompson’s longtime friend George Stranahan lamented the Hollywood-style production. “I am pretty sure it isn’t how Hunter would have done it,” he said. “But when your friends make a mistake you support them.” Anita Thompson said Depp funded much of the celebration. “We had talked a couple of times about his last wishes to be shot out of a cannon of his own design,” Depp told The Associated Press last month. “All I’m doing is trying to make sure his last wish comes true. I just want to send my pal out the way he wants to go out.” Thompson is credited along with Tom Wolfe and Gay Talese with helping pioneer New Journalism — he dubbed his version “gonzo journalism” — in which the writer was an essential component of the story. He often portrayed himself as wildly intoxicated as he reported on figures such as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. At the height of the Watergate era, he said Richard Nixon represented “that dark, venal, and incurably violent side of the American character.” Besides the 1972 classic about Thompson’s visit to Las Vegas — in which the central character was a snarling, drug- and alcohol-crazed observer and participant — he also wrote an expose on the Hell’s Angels and “Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail ’72.” The Kentucky-born writer also was the model for Garry Trudeau’s balding “Uncle Duke” in the comic strip “Doonesbury.” In now-chic Aspen, Thompson was an eccentricity: He proudly fired his guns whenever he wanted, let peacocks have the run of the land and ran for sheriff in 1970 under the Freak Power Party banner. Composer David Amram, a friend of Thompson since the early 1960s, said Thompson had never expected to be successful taking on President Nixon during the Watergate era. “He thought he would be banned or put on an enemies’ list,” he said. Thompson made himself the centerpiece of his stories “to show that a regular person could be in the midst of the craziness of the time,” Amram said. “He was our historian.” After his suicide, one close acquaintance suggested Thompson did not want old age to dictate the circumstances of his death. Anita Thompson said no suicide note was left. (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050820/050820_thompson_vmed_8p.widec.jpg) Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Shockeye on August 22, 2005, 08:15:42 AM Quote from: AP Some decry glitz of Thompson blastoff (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/T/THOMPSON_MEMORIAL?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=ENTERTAINMENT) By ROBERT WELLER Associated Press Writer WOODY CREEK, Colo. (AP) -- Hunter S. Thompson's grand finale went off as planned: His ashes were blasted into the night sky in an explosion friends and fans agreed he would have loved. But some said the gonzo journalist would have sneered at the Hollywood trappings - champagne toasts by movie stars and former presidential candidates. Filmmaker Nancy Cohen tried to organize a group of 100 fans outside the gates of Thompson's farm to crash the Saturday night party. "That's what Hunter would have done," she said. "This looks more like a fancy dress ball than a memorial for a counterculture icon," said Cohen, of New York, producer of "My Dinner With Abbie," a film about 1960s radical activist Abbie Hoffman. Crashing the party would have been difficult with the dozens of black-clad security guards who lined the roads leading to the farm. "It looks like the neighborhood has been invaded by the Viet Cong," friend and neighbor Mike Cleverly said of the guards. "I am pretty sure it isn't how Hunter would have done it," said longtime friend George Stranahan. The writer's ashes were fired from atop a 15-story tower modeled after Thompson's logo: a clenched fist, holding a peyote button, rising from the hilt of a dagger. It was built between his home and a tree-covered canyon wall. The guests gathered in a pavilion next to the platform. Inside were blow up sex dolls and a mask of Thompson's arch enemy, late President Richard Nixon. With drums beating in the background, trays of champagne circulated before Thompson's remains flew. Thompson shot himself in his kitchen Feb. 20, apparently despondent over his declining health. The national and most local media were barred from the tribute to the groundbreaking writer who was credited, along with Tom Wolfe and Gay Talese, with helping pioneer New Journalism - he dubbed his version "gonzo journalism" - in which the writer was an essential component of the story. His only son, Juan Thompson, said the hundreds of celebrities, including actors Johnny Depp and Bill Murray, musician Lyle Lovett and former Democratic presidential nominees George McGovern and Sen. John Kerry, wouldn't have felt comfortable with the press around. Depp, who played Thompson in the 1998 film adaptation of "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas," paid for the $2.5 million extravaganza. Depp and Juan Thompson embraced as the ashes fell to the ground. Juan Thompson told the Aspen Daily News that the ceremony not only fulfilled the vision his father outlined in a 1978 BBC video, but it "was bigger than he ever imagined." Ralph Steadman, who illustrated many of Thompson's works, had a different take on the extravaganza. "He'd probably say it wasn't quite big enough," said Steadman. "We want him back. (Saturday night) was a kind of pleading for him to come back. All is forgiven." Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Shockeye on September 08, 2005, 11:56:59 AM Quote from: AP 'Rolling Stone' publishes Hunter S. Thompson note (http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-09-08-thompson-note_x.htm?csp=34) Posted 9/8/2005 11:04 AM NEW YORK (AP) — Rolling Stone, the magazine that was home for years to Hunter S. Thompson, will publish a note written by the gonzo journalist days before he committed suicide in February. Douglas Brinkley, the presidential historian who is also Thompson's official biographer, writes that a Feb. 16 note may be Thompson's final written words. It reads: "No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun — for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax — This won't hurt." Hunter left the note for his wife, Anita. He shot himself four days later at his home in Aspen, Colo., after weeks of pain from a host of physical problems that included a broken leg and a hip replacement. Written in black marker, the note was titled, Football Season Is Over. Brinkley writes in the magazine, on newsstands Friday, "February was always the cruelest month for Hunter S. Thompson. An avid NFL fan, Hunter traditionally embraced the Super Bowl in January as the high-water mark of his year. February, by contrast, was doldrums time." Most of Thompson's early writings appeared in Rolling Stone. In pieces of great length, he often portrayed himself as a wildly intoxicated observer and participant. The writer's ashes were blown into the sky in Woody Creek, Colo., amid fireworks on Aug. 20. Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: WayAbvPar on September 08, 2005, 12:17:41 PM Quote Written in black marker, the note was titled, Football Season Is Over I empathize. The end of football season is a dark, dark time. Just like today is a joyous occasion, starting at 8 pm EDT! Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Furiously on September 08, 2005, 03:04:54 PM Indeed - my wife will be glued to the TV and I can play computer without interuption!
Title: Re: Hunter S. Thompson. Dead at 67. Post by: Shockeye on December 28, 2005, 12:34:47 PM Quote from: Contact Music LOVETT THRILLED WITHE HERO THOMPSON'S CAR (http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/lovett%20thrilled%20withe%20hero%20thompsons%20car) Country star LYLE LOVETT once bought late author HUNTER S THOMPSON's Cadillac for $2,000 (GBP1,110). The former husband of JULIA ROBERTS admits he was a longtime fan of eccentric Thompson when the FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS writer offered him the chance to buy his car. Lovett recalls, "We were backstage and we found out our next show was in Salt Lake City and he said, 'Well, you'll need a pace car for that. You ought to buy my Cadillac.' "I figured if Hunter S Thompson offers to sell you his car, the only thing you can do is ask him how much. "He said, 'Two thousand dollars,' and I paid him right there. There was a case of beer in the trunk and he threw that in too." 28/12/2005 10:17 |