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Title: Inferno Mode Post by: Nonentity on May 21, 2012, 01:51:31 PM Hi! Lets talk about Inferno difficulty here.
Playing as a Barbarian. Rocking about 40k health, 15k or so damage. Can reliably (in a group) plow through Act 1 Inferno. I still, however, get instagibbed by so many different attributes (molten vortex arcane plagued? SUPER AWESOME). You are pretty much shoehorned as a melee into going as absolutely tanky as humanly possible, with as much lifesteal as you can muster. You'll still die, and die a lot. Despite the fact that with my stats I can currently do "okay" in Act 1, white named common mobs in Act 2 can still two shot me. Oy. I know people who have death rushed all the way through Act 4, and are having 3 people stack Magic Find, while one person goes and spawns one of the purple named guys at the Silver Spire, kills it, then rinse and repeat. Not even bothering with Nephalem Valor. They're reliably making millions of gold a day. But, y'know, I don't consider that actually "playing", that's just... dumb. It doesn't seem like the gear that exists in the game can scale, even in best case scenario, to actually be able to play and beat those difficulty levels without mountains and mountains of deaths. Oh well. Anyone else having any luck with inferno? Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Trippy on May 21, 2012, 01:59:55 PM I'm nowhere near Inferno yet but reading the official forums (:awesome_for_real:) only Wizard and Demon Hunter are viable in the later stages of Inferno currently. If you can't kill while kiting you are basically screwed right now.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Ingmar on May 21, 2012, 02:37:37 PM I believe the intent is that you have to farm Hell for a good long while before you can start to be effective in IN-FER-NOOOOOO. It doesn't really surprise me that people in general aren't there yet.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Azuredream on May 22, 2012, 07:49:26 PM My wizard is now 60 and kicking around in Inferno solo. Act I has been pretty easy, just an extension of Hell but occasionally a champion pack will have an absolutely evil combination of abilities that I have to bypass to continue. I have heard that the difficulty starts ramping up significantly in Act II and beyond. I'll probably have to stop and farm for a bit to make sure my gear is passable but Act I Inferno is not much harder than Act IV Hell.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: kildorn on May 22, 2012, 09:24:12 PM Is that just due to Act 1's mob types (zombies EVERYWHERE!) are pretty tame just by their design? I find Act 1 anything to be pretty easy on my wizard because kiting zombies isn't really Hard, and they don't tend to throw a ton of fast movers at you besides the bats that don't stick around to press the attack.
Act 2 is mean because they throw Lacuni at you right off the bat, with their bullshit immunity frames. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: FieryBalrog on May 22, 2012, 10:00:55 PM From what I've seen, the worst part of Act 2 Inferno is
(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/1416886_o.gif) Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Xanthippe on May 31, 2012, 10:10:20 AM I did not read much on Diablo 3 as it was being developed (purposely).
Am I right in thinking that Inferno was added in to give people something to do after hitting max_level? To give D3 some sort of end game, to give people something to continue to strive toward while being really really really hard? Or is it supposed to be like WoW's ultra-hard-mode raids (sorry, forget what they're called now)? I assume that Blizzard is planning on keeping their money train going by publishing expansions to this franchise, maybe upping max_level or introducing more content or just adding better equipment? There is _such_ a difference between regular mobs and blue packs. Is Inferno supposed to be practically impossible, or is it supposed to be doable with top-notch gear/skills? I'm trying to understand the vision here. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Malakili on May 31, 2012, 10:30:46 AM I did not read much on Diablo 3 as it was being developed (purposely). Am I right in thinking that Inferno was added in to give people something to do after hitting max_level? To give D3 some sort of end game, to give people something to continue to strive toward while being really really really hard? Or is it supposed to be like WoW's ultra-hard-mode raids (sorry, forget what they're called now)? A bit of both. It is definitely not necessarily meant that you make a smooth transition from Hell -> Inferno, they've stated you'll need to build up your gear in Hell before going into Inferno (or, visit the AH and gear up, but that is a separate issue). It is also meant to be an end game which is more progression based than just farming based. Inferno is supposed to be practically impossible *if you go to it directly after beating Act 4 hell with no upgrades*, but it is supposed to be doable. That being said, I do recall them saying they didn't think much of their playerbase would do Inferno. However, I think that had less to do with difficulty and more to do with the fact that they anticipated most of their players never bother to get to 60 in the first place. They addressed some of this in the recent game update post, so I'll just quote it here. Quote Inferno is intended to be extremely difficult, but with some specific skills, a few classes were simply able to progress far more easily than intended. This made the classes, which were about where they were supposed to be, seem very underpowered. It also created the perception that the classes doing well were intended to rely on specific runes in all their builds, and the other classes were just broken. This is the opposite of what’s true. If any single skill or rune feels absolutely required to progress, it means that skill is working against our goal of encouraging build diversity -- and those “required” skills need to be corrected. We know these hotfixes snuck up on people, and it took us a day or so to communicate that they had gone live. However, our intent moving forward is that when there are circumstances where a hotfix is necessary, we’ll communicate changes that could impact your ability to play your class through ‘Upcoming Changes’ posts in the General forum. Ideally, we’ll let you know as soon as we even have the idea that we want to make that kind of change. That said, we also wanted to let you know we’re keeping a close eye on Inferno. The intent of incoming damage is that it should be a very consistent drain on your health, and mitigating that drain is a major part of what makes Inferno mode difficult. Right now, there’s a lot more damage “spikiness” occurring than feels right, and that’s one major area we’re looking to adjust in patch 1.0.3. While we don’t have any specifics yet, our design goals are to support and promote build diversity; continue to ensure that a mix of champion packs, rare packs, and boss fights are the most efficient way to acquire the best items in the game; and ensure that all classes are viable in Inferno. From a high-level perspective, we think a more fundamentally fun way to approach difficulty in Inferno isn't seeing how much incoming damage you can avoid or mitigate, but rather to see how efficient you can be while voluntarily taking on a challenge that pushes you. For anybody who's ever died because they chased a Treasure Goblin too aggressively, you know what we mean; dying because you got greedy or overconfident can actually be a lot of fun. Now that the skills mentioned above have been brought more in line, we’ll be keeping a close eye on balance. We've also seen some people saying our intention with Inferno is just one-shot you to make it difficult. While damage is a bit spikier than we'd like, we're actually seeing a pretty significant number of people attempting Inferno without sufficient gear. There's a good chance that returning to the previous Act to farm upgrades will do the most to help you survive. That said, we’d like to shift some of the focus away from survival and more toward using a variety of offensive tactics to succeed. Survival will still be important, but finding ways to maximize your damage while staying alive is more exciting. We’re not particularly concerned with whether or not a boss is “beatable,” though it should feel epic and challenging to defeat it. We’re more concerned with ensuring that acquiring 5 stacks of Nephalem Valor and taking on as many Champions and Rares as you can remains the most challenging and rewarding way to play. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Shatter on May 31, 2012, 10:35:38 AM Are inferno mobs anymore resistant / immune to CC? My wizard is 60 and I pretty much run a kite build that works well in Hell mode, was planning to do the same in inferno.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Xanthippe on May 31, 2012, 10:39:38 AM That being said, I do recall them saying they didn't think much of their playerbase would do Inferno. However, I think that had less to do with difficulty and more to do with the fact that they anticipated most of their players never bother to get to 60 in the first place. Huh. I'd expect most people to get a character to 60, if they like the game, given the changes made to talents and specs and respec ability and so on. For me, that's a big plus that D2 didn't have - I had to make a whole new character if I picked shitty stuff to try out on a spec. I never got past normal mode in D2, I kept making new characters all the time. Maybe that's one reason why I like D3 better. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Azuredream on May 31, 2012, 10:40:23 AM Are inferno mobs anymore resistant / immune to CC? My wizard is 60 and I pretty much run a kite build that works well in Hell mode, was planning to do the same in inferno. The champions and elites are all very CC resistant. I don't remember what it was in Hell, but CC lasts maybe ~25% of the duration it would last on a generic mob. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Amaron on May 31, 2012, 10:42:16 AM I believe the intent is that you have to farm Hell for a good long while before you can start to be effective in IN-FER-NOOOOOO. It doesn't really surprise me that people in general aren't there yet. It's simple math to show this isn't working. Trash mobs in act 2 hit for like 200k+ vs a naked char. The formulas are well known and getting the kind of gear required to handle that never drops in Act 1. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: apocrypha on May 31, 2012, 10:43:44 AM So does anyone have any tips for farming for gold in order to gear up for Inferno?
I seem to be constantly broke thanks to trying to gear up a few characters enough to get through Hell! I'm terrible at playing the AH game generally, my brain just doesn't work that way. Would farming Hell with MF work better than GF or the other way round? Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Azuredream on May 31, 2012, 10:54:17 AM You can stack Nephalem Valor on all difficulties. I don't know if you get the bonus boss drops but the 60% MF/GF buff will be present, so you shouldn't have to go out of your way to stack magic find or gold find. Also, Act I Inferno is not particularly difficult (at least compared to the later acts) so I wouldn't be too quick to assume you can't beat it if you haven't tried yet.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on May 31, 2012, 11:01:21 AM Also, Act I Inferno is not particularly difficult (at least compared to the later acts) so I wouldn't be too quick to assume you can't beat it if you haven't tried yet. Agreed, it seemed to me like if you didn't have much difficulty in beating Hell, you don't have much difficulty in Act 1 Inferno. Act 2 Inferno however will make you weep silently when the first normal white mob pack destroys you just after you wrecked the Butcher and every elite pack up to him on Inferno without a problem. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Shatter on May 31, 2012, 11:01:42 AM So does anyone have any tips for farming for gold in order to gear up for Inferno? I seem to be constantly broke thanks to trying to gear up a few characters enough to get through Hell! I'm terrible at playing the AH game generally, my brain just doesn't work that way. Would farming Hell with MF work better than GF or the other way round? I got the same issue. Most of my drops dont sell for shit and I havent even got 1 legendary drop yet so money I make is pure mobs drops that get vendored and cash. I think after I complete hell I will farm it with + cash gear. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Malakili on May 31, 2012, 11:14:44 AM Farming Hell Whimsyshire with my friend has been netting a fair share of gold and decent items.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Amaron on May 31, 2012, 11:14:47 AM Agreed, it seemed to me like if you didn't have much difficulty in beating Hell, you don't have much difficulty in Act 1 Inferno. Act 2 Inferno however will make you weep silently when the first normal white mob pack destroys you just after you wrecked the Butcher and every elite pack up to him on Inferno without a problem. This is what bothers me and makes it so obvious they broke Inferno on purpose. You can DESTROY act 1 like you're some kind of god but going to act 2 will then destroy you in turn. There's no sense of progression with it. If you find act 1 super super easy then it should be time to go on to act 2. That's not the case at all. Going from act 2 to act 3 is a similar exponential step up as well. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on May 31, 2012, 11:19:16 AM Going from act 2 to act 3 is a similar exponential step up as well. :ye_gods: That worries me, I'm up to over 900 all resist when my shout is up and I'm still about 50/50 on if I can beat an elite pack I find in Act 2 and I still die a LOT compared to anywhere else. However, Act 2 also gave me this last night, so I can forgive it for a while. (http://i.imgur.com/g2EyP.jpg) Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Amaron on May 31, 2012, 11:24:04 AM 900 already?! Must be nice to be a barb. All the dex/resist or int/resist gear is expensive through the roof because all the rich people are DH/Wiz's.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Azuredream on May 31, 2012, 11:28:56 AM The HP/Damage of stuff ramps up in Act III but I think the mob types and environment there are generally easier to deal with than Act II. From the perspective of a ranged character, anyway. I know I died much less clearing Act III than I did clearing Act II. I'm scared to start Act IV.
If you're up to Act III, you can start the Siegebreaker quest and fight the champion mobs, and if you die, just go take a break or something and Tyrael will kill everything for you, being completely invincible. That is an awesome amulet. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Amaron on May 31, 2012, 11:31:08 AM The HP/Damage of stuff ramps up in Act III but I think the mob types and environment there are generally easier to deal with than Act II. From the perspective of a ranged character, anyway. Yea HP ramps up much slower than damage. So for the people kiting act 3 and maybe act 4 is easier. Basically if you're getting 1 shot by everything you want the mobs that are easier to dodge. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on May 31, 2012, 11:34:54 AM 900 already?! Must be nice to be a barb. All the dex/resist or int/resist gear is expensive through the roof because all the rich people are DH/Wiz's. Str/Vit/Res All is more expensive than other gear it seems. I have no idea why since Barb is the only class using Str as a primary stat. My only guess is because Barbs need it the worst since we have no choice but to wade into the mobs and tank the damage so every Barb that hits Inferno is on the AH. I just have a good amount of $$ from playing the AH and have sacraficed a lot of my DPS to get high RA/Armor/Vit. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Amaron on May 31, 2012, 12:01:20 PM Str/Vit/Res All is more expensive than other gear it seems. I have no idea why since Barb is the only class using Str as a primary stat. It just looks more expensive because there's not much to compare it too. All the dex/vit/all res stuff gets bought instantly no matter how expensive. If I go to search for str stuff when I have a piece to sell there's about 10x as much gear available. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Arinon on May 31, 2012, 12:01:35 PM Hitting the end of Act3 Inferno now. For reference 95% of my play is as a DH with a Wiz partner, the rest is solo.
Act 1 Inferno is easy. This is due to the base mob types in most of Act 1 being slooooow. Baring a nasty combo of elites you can kite or rez zerg most packs. Butcher required some farming and AH but we never stopped progressing until we hit him. The Warden and Skelly King both drop pretty well with a full NV stack. A few upgrades this way but mostly you sell decent items and get coin for large upgrades. Act 2 hits you in the face right away as mentioned earlier. Bees are sort of annoying at the start but easy to get used to because they move so slow. The problem here is a shitton of mob types that move really fucking fast or straight up teleport on top of you. Belial was a showstopper for several days but we found he's easier with two than with one, contrary to most bosses up to that point. He also seems to eat people that haven't keep their defenses up. The run up to Zoltun has pretty nice geography so we did quite a bit of Zoltun farming. Act 3 is easier than Act 2 because, again, most of the mob types are slow or they stand around shooting at you. Glom was cake and I'm lead to believe Siegebreaker and Azmodan are as well. As far as gearing goes, aside from dropping 1.6m on weapon I haven't spent more than 800k on an item. I'm sure I've had it easier than most given the class comp but I'm leveling up a monk to see how the other half lives. Has mostly the same gear requirements as the DH so that should be nice. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Arinon on May 31, 2012, 12:07:13 PM Str/Vit/Res All is more expensive than other gear it seems. I haven't found that to be true at ALL. Str seems to be just as common as Dex/Int but has half the market. Trying to sell Barb gear is always a disappointment. Also, that necklace is fucking bananas. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on May 31, 2012, 01:13:18 PM I haven't found that to be true at ALL. Str seems to be just as common as Dex/Int but has half the market. Trying to sell Barb gear is always a disappointment. Searching for All Armor > 50 Res All > 80 Vit > 80 Str for Maximum 500k gives me 1 item. Doing the same for Dex gives me a full page. Doing the same for Int gives me 2 pages. Doing the same for 1mil gives me 3 pages of Str and 6+ of Dex and Int. Just depends on the specifics of what you are looking for I guess. I consider anything with less than 50 all resist to not be worth my time unless it's really cheap. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Arinon on May 31, 2012, 02:22:32 PM Yeah, I probably should have been more specific. Resist All mucks up my valuation because for some reason only Barbs really seem to latch on to it. I don't think you can finish Inferno without getting hit but the other classes have been slower to see the value of resists.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Job601 on May 31, 2012, 02:51:35 PM My monk is in a sweet spot in Act I Inferno right now where the difficulty is just about right -- I can use some fun abilities, I have to move around and use different buttons to live against elites, but I'm also not just kiting forever or dying instantly. Act 2 is still impossible for me. I still find an upgrade every three or four Butcher runs, so I guess I have a long way to go.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: waffel on May 31, 2012, 02:54:09 PM My monk is in a sweet spot in Act I Inferno right now where the difficulty is just about right -- I can use some fun abilities, I have to move around and use different buttons to live against elites, but I'm also not just kiting forever or dying instantly. Act 2 is still impossible for me. I still find an upgrade every three or four Butcher runs, so I guess I have a long way to go. Same boat. My Monk is pretty fun in Act 1 inferno, but nothing useful has dropped for me in many days. Act 2 is still impossible. Not sure if grinding Act 1 for another week is worth it, or I'll just put the game down. Seeing wizards and DHs having a field day in Inferno makes me kind of angry. So does anyone have any tips for farming for gold in order to gear up for Inferno? I seem to be constantly broke thanks to trying to gear up a few characters enough to get through Hell! I'm terrible at playing the AH game generally, my brain just doesn't work that way. Would farming Hell with MF work better than GF or the other way round? I stacked as much GF as possible on my Monk (I think I had over 200) and ran from Azmodon's chamber to the WP in Nightmare killing everything and collecting all the gold. I did it for an hour (one of the most boring gaming experiences of my life, mind you) and made 280k. Not sure if that's something you want to do (I did it once and will never do it again...) but throwing it out there for ya. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Miasma on May 31, 2012, 06:44:02 PM Why do people say that you need drops from the later acts to survive inferno act 2? Does the best gear only drop in act 4 or do you still have a small chance to find it in act 1? That's something I've wondered in general, does each act have something akin to a loot table or is it all just random throught a difficulty?
I just stepped into inferno and it seems okay, like others are saying, act 1 wise. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on May 31, 2012, 06:54:33 PM I just stepped into inferno and it seems okay, like others are saying, act 1 wise. As I already learned the hard way, Act 1 Inferno to Act 2 Inferno feels like skipping from Act 1 NM to Act 4 Hell. The gear drops I'm getting from Act 1 Inferno are mostly terrible by comparison, lots of items in the low 50s even still. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Ragnoros on May 31, 2012, 07:02:09 PM Why do people say that you need drops from the later acts to survive inferno act 2? Does the best gear only drop in act 4 or do you still have a small chance to find it in act 1? That's something I've wondered in general, does each act have something akin to a loot table or is it all just random throught a difficulty? I just stepped into inferno and it seems okay, like others are saying, act 1 wise. Items have hidden* ilvls (much like in wow) that determine which, and more importantly, how high a given affix can roll. So in act one inferno the highest ilvl possible to drop might be 61, while act two inferno might be 63, and so forth (exact information is not public yet). So yes, the best gear in the game ONLY drops in act 4 (act three might have some overlap). *A forthcoming patch will display ilvls on items. Anyway. Working towards act 2 on my monk myself. Act one is total easymode; I can run conviction and whatever dps abilities I want and still survive just fine 95% of the time. Act two just demolishes me though. I'm at 44k hp, 640 resists (68%) 5600 armor (65%), 12.5k dps, and 40% dodge. Anyone who has made progress care to share what stats it took? Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on May 31, 2012, 07:13:09 PM Anyway. Working towards act 2 on my monk myself. Act one is total easymode; I can run conviction and whatever dps abilities I want and still survive just fine 95% of the time. Act two just demolishes me though. I'm at 44k hp, 640 resists (68%) 5600 armor (65%), 12.5k dps, and 40% dodge. Anyone who has made progress care to share what stats it took? I've got a few slots that can use significant upgrades (my shield is a big one) but for the most part, I consider my gear pretty decent and Act 2 is still a problem for me. I progress so slow it's barely worth it and I still can't handle about 50% of the elite packs I find. My Stats Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: apocrypha on June 01, 2012, 09:16:58 AM Farming Hell Whimsyshire with my friend has been netting a fair share of gold and decent items. Just did a Hell run through of this, took 30 mins including the time it took to get 5 stacks of NV, netted me about 50k after I'd sold everything. So 7 hours or so to recoup the cost of the staff :oh_i_see: Still can't find anywhere that gives me more than about 100k/hour. Still, I am mostly doing OK in Act 1 Inferno so far with my mediocre geared monk. Some affix combos I cannot kill, particularly things with multiple damage abilities like molten/plagued/arcane or with those and vortex/jailor etc. Not had a single upgrade drop yet though, in fact I don't think I've had any upgrades that didn't come from the AH since Normal. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Azuredream on June 01, 2012, 09:31:18 AM This is just my experience, but a lot more gold drops in Inferno than Hell. In Hell the big stacks were 500ish but in Inferno you get piles of 1000 not infrequently. If you can do Act I Inferno I'm pretty sure even if you get complete crap as drops the gold intake alone will set it far apart from farming in Hell.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: waffel on June 01, 2012, 09:38:32 AM Personal observation:
Inferno for a Wizard/DH/WD is a completely different experience than for a Monk/Barb. Monk/Barbs require far more gear farming, stacking tons of resists and armor and picking all defensive talents. The ranged classes don't have nearly the same gear and spec requirements. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 01, 2012, 09:57:06 AM well, monk/barb are tanks and the rest are dps. I honestly feel like that melee classes should have a lot more innate survivability since right now you have o build uber tanky and its just not fun to play while the other classes get to pew pew all over the place.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on June 01, 2012, 10:42:11 AM It's pretty bad, as near as I can guess for the amount of gold you need to spend on the AH to gear a Barbarian for Inferno Act 2 you could gear a Wizard, a Demon Hunter and a Witch Doctor who could all clear it faster.
I haven't read much Monk stuff but I would assume they are almost in the same situation. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Ragnoros on June 01, 2012, 11:38:02 AM Thrawn is correct. But this video guide helped me a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdO0rBVFHm0&feature=youtu.be Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on June 01, 2012, 12:05:57 PM Thrawn is correct. But this video guide helped me a lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdO0rBVFHm0&feature=youtu.be Sad part is...I did that exact thing last night, started a DH. :heartbreak: Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Abelian75 on June 01, 2012, 12:30:44 PM Thrawn is correct. But this video guide helped me a lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdO0rBVFHm0&feature=youtu.be That's pretty hilarious. I especially liked the bit at the end about "This method for gearing your monk is extremely powerful, so Blizzard will most likely nerf monks to compensate." Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Tairnyn on June 01, 2012, 12:39:46 PM Found a pretty solid Inferno strategy that is captured well in this guide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEyk63UaBI4 Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: 01101010 on June 01, 2012, 01:00:02 PM Found a pretty solid Inferno strategy that is captured well in this guide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEyk63UaBI4 /clap Will definitely watch again. :drill: Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: calapine on June 01, 2012, 01:03:42 PM Yes, learned a thing or two here. Flawless kiting
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: calapine on June 01, 2012, 01:04:13 PM doublepost
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Amaron on June 01, 2012, 01:12:58 PM Searching for All Armor > 50 Res All > 80 Vit > 80 Str for Maximum 500k gives me 1 item. Doing the same for Dex gives me a full page. Doing the same for Int gives me 2 pages. Maybe I don't understand barb gear. Why can't you get a lot of vit on one piece and a lot of str on another piece? Right now on the ah shoulders: 156 str 69 all res +5% life going for 40k buyout!!! There's tons of them like that. Vit is more expensive but it's still cheap as hell. You can stack it on other pieces and put it in sockets and make out pretty well for very cheap. Shoulders like that for dex cost two mil minimum. If you try and do dex/vit that's still going for 1.2 mil right now. The only pieces where 80dex/80vit sell for under 500k are special pieces where it's easy to get a lot of stats or where DH want something else like attack speed/movement speed/whatever. Even those pieces still cost 300k. I'm seriously considering making a Barb because dex gear is retarded like this. I hear it's hard but I'm confused as to why when you can get all this gear for practically nothing. For anyone who is currently leveling a monk I strongly urge you to reconsider because you're getting the pain of melee with the highest gear costs in the game for sure. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on June 01, 2012, 01:20:26 PM For the same reasons a Monk can't just get a few Dex and a few Vit pieces and get through. You need Str and Vit and All Resist high or you aren't progressing through Inferno.
Going from Monk to Barb would be the same problems except maybe worse because Barbs don't have the passive making all resist equal the highest one. So you MUST get high + ALL resist gear with high Str and high Vit. The stuff with only 2 out of 3 the is cheap because it's not good enough to get you through Inferno so people don't want it. I would guess the Dex stuff is more expensive because a DH can just get high Dex and a lot less Vit/AR because they can kite so much so you are competing with them for the gear. I currently have 900 str, 1200 Vit, 14k dps and 826 all resist and I can't get through Act 2 solo as a Barbarian without dying a LOT. Something needs to be done about melee vs ranged in Inferno, I just have no idea what. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Amaron on June 01, 2012, 01:24:48 PM For the same reasons a Monk can't just get a few Dex and a few Vit pieces and get through. You need Str and Vit and All Resist high or you aren't progressing through Inferno. Wait I'm confused. Why can't you get by with cheap +str and cheap +vit items? I'm talking items with lots of +all res here. You can't get such items when you're talking dex. I mean look at your stats. Even with the crazy monk passive to get equivalent on a monk would cost you 50 million MINIMUM. You really spent that much on Barb gear? Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on June 01, 2012, 01:28:54 PM Ha, I'm confused now too I guess. Where are you finding gear with +Str, +Vit and +50 or more all resists for cheap? If it doesn't have all 3, it's not good enough and you will just die. Yes, I've spent millions on Barb gear and I still can't kill more than 50% of the packs I find in Act 2. My next step would be a Stormshield (4m-10m) a Helm of Command (2-5m) and a Justice Lantern (2-5m), instead of doing that I started a Demon Hunter instead. Monks and Barbarians are in the same boat of needing to spend like 20mil+ if you want to progress as well as the ranged classes.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Ingmar on June 01, 2012, 01:34:26 PM You guys are talking past each other.
Amaron is saying instead of buying 2 items with 80+ str, 80+ vit, and 50 resists, buy 2 items, one with 160 str and 50 resists, and one with 160 vit and 50 resists. Thrawn is saying that if an item doesn't have all 3 it can't be good enough period. I don't know which one of you is right but hopefully your argument is at least clear now. :-P Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on June 01, 2012, 01:42:18 PM I dunno, could of been more fun to just go back and forth confused for pages. :awesome_for_real:
If you switch from Monk to Barb because of gear requirements and costs compared to other classes...it will be the same issue, possibly worse. It's just a melee vs ranged problem from what I understand. Monk/Barb HAVE to take the hits as well as putting out enough damage. Every other class can kite from range. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Amaron on June 01, 2012, 01:43:41 PM Ha, I'm confused now too I guess. Where are you finding gear with +Str, +Vit and +50 or more all resists for cheap? If it doesn't have all 3, it's not good enough and you will just die. Ok this is why I'm confused. Why does it have to have all 3? It's actually a lot cheaper to get high total numbers in each category if you only get 2 out of the 3 on each piece. The most expensive part is going to be items with lots of vit and all res. Compared to trying to put together a set of items with str/vit/all res though it's much cheaper. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: amiable on June 01, 2012, 01:48:37 PM The funny thing is in hardcore the exact opposite is true. Basically all of the high level characters are barbs, monks and a few crazy WD. There are hardly any wiz's or Dh's because they all die before they hit inferno. Basically all farming in inferno is done by those three classes. (Of course no one I know of has gotten past Act 2 yet in HC inferno).
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Thrawn on June 01, 2012, 02:17:53 PM Ok this is why I'm confused. Why does it have to have all 3? It's actually a lot cheaper to get high total numbers in each category if you only get 2 out of the 3 on each piece. The most expensive part is going to be items with lots of vit and all res. Compared to trying to put together a set of items with str/vit/all res though it's much cheaper. 5 items with 150 Str and 5 items with 150 Vit = 750 str/750 Vit 10 items with 150 Str AND 150 Vit = 1500 Str/1500 Str 1500 of a stat is much better then 750. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Azuredream on June 01, 2012, 02:19:37 PM The funny thing is in hardcore the exact opposite is true. Basically all of the high level characters are barbs, monks and a few crazy WD. There are hardly any wiz's or Dh's because they all die before they hit inferno. Basically all farming in inferno is done by those three classes. (Of course no one I know of has gotten past Act 2 yet in HC inferno). Well yeah, ranged can do the later acts with much less gear than the other classes but what usually doesn't also get mentioned is how much you die and how little room for error you have. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Arinon on June 01, 2012, 02:20:26 PM The funny thing is in hardcore the exact opposite is true. Basically all of the high level characters are barbs, monks and a few crazy WD. There are hardly any wiz's or Dh's because they all die before they hit inferno. Basically all farming in inferno is done by those three classes. (Of course no one I know of has gotten past Act 2 yet in HC inferno). Once you can reliably tank mob packs you have a HUGE margin of safety versus being able to kite. You can also take this skill into MP games as the incoming damage scales up very little where as the HP doubles/triples etc. As ranged you can progress faster and there is certainly no room for complaining but you still die a lot because one mistake or lag hiccup and you bite it. Not sure how they can make melee work without trivializing it once you get past the hump. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 01, 2012, 02:33:25 PM Melee getting the shaft is because this game seems to have been made with the tank/healer/dps paradigm except they left out the healer.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Amaron on June 01, 2012, 03:17:02 PM Not sure how they can make melee work without trivializing it once you get past the hump. Once they make it possible in reasonable gear people are always going to trade off DPS till they get to a level of survivability they enjoy. The idea of gear checks providing difficulty in an RNG loot game was broken from the start. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Azuredream on June 01, 2012, 10:52:11 PM I was inspired by this guy's video to buy a set of magic find gear (It's at 229 without any NV stacks) to swap into when the champions are down to critical health and let Tyrael finish them off. It's increased the amount of rares I get by a ridiculous amount.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4VBcpy2-8A Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Samprimary on June 05, 2012, 01:08:43 PM Greetings from Inferno; I have no life. Pity me. What does the sun look like? I have forgotten.
(http://i.imgur.com/9sjVj.jpg) Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Rokal on June 05, 2012, 01:24:28 PM I'm actually enjoying inferno. :ye_gods: A big part of it I'm sure is that I finally caught up to some friends, and the game is certainly more fun with 3-4 people (especially as a barb with tons of defensive gear). I had played through all of normal and some of nightmare/hell in a duo, but large groups are even better. The gear I'm finding is at-level so even if most items I get are terrible I have a reasonable chance of finding items myself or friends might want too. Nephalem Valor also turns bosses into the loot explosion I always wanted from a Diablo game.
The cost of gear may seem prohibitive, but I've found that the key (suggested in the barb thread) is to search for gear that isn't perfect. If you can get a piece of 40 resist all, 100 vit gear for 80k, and a piece of 40 resist all 100 str gear in another slot for 40k, why spend 400k on the 20 resist all, 70 vit, 70 str item? I've done a decent job gearing out my barb and I'm starting to make progress in act 2, and it didn't take 100+ butcher runs to get there. If you look for gear that has stats you want but isn't primary attribute/vit/res-all, you'll find lots of great deals. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Azuredream on June 05, 2012, 03:32:57 PM Greetings from Inferno; I have no life. Pity me. What does the sun look like? I have forgotten. [/img] Don't worry comrade, I too have no knowledge of this "sun" (http://i.imgur.com/DqJsG.jpg?1) Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Paelos on June 05, 2012, 03:35:19 PM I was wondering why I saw you on all the time. :ye_gods: :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Samprimary on June 06, 2012, 08:54:26 AM I was wondering why I saw you on all the time. :ye_gods: :awesome_for_real: it was worse for me. Deeblo came out right as I was coming down with a persistent cough and flu. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Xanthippe on June 07, 2012, 09:59:36 AM Inferno mode lessens my desire to play.
I'm finding that it's more fun to play an alt through hell. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Llyse on June 07, 2012, 06:16:42 PM Inferno mode lessens my desire to play. I'm finding that it's more fun to play an alt through hell. I have a love hate relationship with inferno. The progression/killing champion mobs is much greater but there's also much more screaming and wailing and death spamming to kill or even lure champion stacks away from quest progression. Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: apocrypha on June 08, 2012, 01:06:19 AM (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/31210803/barb_inferno_act1.jpg)
^^ My barb after spending just over 700k on gear for Inferno. Coping alright so far in Act 1 - just about to do Wortham. Only a couple of deaths up to this point. DPS is low but resists of 500+, 54k life and 500 life on hit make surviving feasible! Problem is that upgrades from this point on are stupidly expensive, millions per slot expensive. I think Blizzard really dropped the ball with the farmable Resplendent Chests. Lots of people have spent the last couple of weeks just looking for chests & quests they can farm and then doing just that constantly until Blizz nerf each one individually. As a result those kinds of players now have millions and millions of gold while those of us who prefer to play the actual game have no affordable upgrades on the AH! The gold sellers must be loving this game. Blizzard have forgotten every single thing they learned about how to control the gold farming & selling business over 7 years of WoW. Edit to say that the barb was my first character to complete Hell Act IV at level 59. I had to farm it for 1/4 level to unlock Inferno :) Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Ironwood on June 08, 2012, 04:43:55 AM Purty.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: Ingmar on June 08, 2012, 10:02:47 AM I hit level 60 like halfway through Act 3 and I still haven't finished 4 yet. I don't really see myself going onto Inferno.
Title: Re: Inferno Mode Post by: 01101010 on June 08, 2012, 10:05:53 AM I hit level 60 like halfway through Act 3 and I still haven't finished 4 yet. I don't really see myself going onto Inferno. Yeah I am 58.8 and just beat Belial in Hell. I think I should be 60 very soon - and doubt I'll hit inferno until 1. the changes go into effect and 2. my buddy catches up on his wizard. |