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World-without-electricity NBC TV sci-fi series from Iron Man director Jon Favreau, backed by JJ Abrams.

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwfCRAtkYEI

"After 15 years of darkness, an unlikely group sets out to save the world."

The hair is ridiculous. Could be redeemed by writing.

That looks interesting.

I'm a sucker for apocalypses so I'll at least watch an episode or two of this.

Same, though 150 years of growth and decay is a bit much for a 15 year span.  I'm sure they'll drag the "finding the brother" plot for entirely too long.  But again, I'll check it out at least.

That looked like some of the stupidest shit ever. Fucking Jeremiah with Book of Eli. The premise is complete shit that would require god/science/aliens to make electrons stop moving. Other than cool CG of citiscapes that have apparently been fertilized daily with Miracle Grow you will curse NBC for burgling minutes of your life. Dwnload some episodes of World After Man, it's a pretty decent show and doesn't insult people's understanding post 19th century technology. Seriously, my five year old just shot the show's premise full of holes.

It has the potential to be interesting but i expect we will get another shitty family drama in a scifi setting.

Yeah, I love that sort of post-apocalyptic stuff, but at first glance this looks so generic and rehearsed :/ . And ok, it's "fiction" and whatnot, but it takes only 15 years (without a cataclysmic event like asteroid, pole shifting etc.) in order for vegetation to conquer back New York? :P

It's not really science-fiction - more like SYFY, and it's on NBC. I'm willing to give it a pass on the scientific aspects if the writing is at least logically consistent. And if it's shit, I just won't watch past the first episode.

I think that vegetative overgrowth is probably understated for 15 years.  It is just covering, not tearing down yet.

As far as the trailer, looks very average.

When I first saw the trailer I thought "Oh, that looks kind of interesting.  Better than Terra Nova at least."

I mean, I could go with the whole all electricity stops working premise.  But then when you stop to think about what society would be like with no electricity, the correct answer isn't "post-apocalypse with cities being retaken by nature", it's "United States circa 1850, which had cities not being overtaken by nature and was successfully able to govern territory roughly the size it is now".

I get with the big population difference there'd be widespread panic and starvation but with chemical reactions still working (gunpowder being one) and steam power, after 15 years there should be a more stable and advanced society than the one being shown.  Actually, it would have been the perfect excuse to see a big steampunk cityscape but instead we got the bizarre love child of Walking Dead and Hunger Games.

Steampunk is more expensive to film than the set of Little House on the Prairie.

I expect this to be absolutely dreadful because the premise is just horrendous.

I like the idea in theory, but batteries not working? Yea, we're done here.

Depends on how wholesale that vegetation actually took over.  As Angry.Bob mentioned, watch Life After People (the actual show name) sometime. There's plenty of actual cases of habitations wholesale abandoned by people in the past 20-30 years to work as good case studies about how fast and how well the plant life moves in afterward.  (It's a lot faster than you think.) Chernobyl and the former manufacturing island off of Japan are two of the best examples.  I'll grant you that they do trend towards the dramatic but it's generally a well-done series.

They actually cover NYC in one episode.   Here's the clip about Grand Central Station.
http://www.history.com/shows/life-after-people/videos/grand-central-station#grand-central-station

Heh, V.A.S.T in the soundtrack.

Thanks! Will check it out :)

Can't see the trailer atm but it's science fiction/fantasy, how "electricity not working" a bigger macguffin than "animated human corpses" when it comes to apocalypse settings? They are both equally bullshit on almost every level and really my biggest issue with it would be as stated above, steampunk/alternate means of power would be more explored in 15 years.

This is basically stripped straight from the Emberverse books by S.M. Stirling. 

Maybe but I find zombie-ism more believable than a general failing of electrons.

Ahahah, what a fucking stupid premise.

Whoops sorry guys I turned off thermodynamics my bad.

It's not like having SOME form of energy ruins the idea...just make up some near-future horseshit about the US/China having some nuke-EMP satellites out of Escape from New York and have some asshole set them all off. Boom, nearly all electronics fried and the world's power infrastructure destroyed. Tada.

Maybe the magic curse makes steam power stop working too!  :drill:

It's been proposed that we have gone through "wet" regions of space and "dusty" regions of space. Perhaps we could go through one that has lots of free electrons.. Ok no...well maybe if it was really strong. We could see some awesome auroras.  uhmm... Ohh  know.. Earth's iron core does something wonky and becomes de-magnetized, and somehow we don't all get lethal doses of radiation. 

I'm trying to think how a faraday cage wouldn't solve all the problems these people are having regardless of the source...

Finally watched the trailer.  Yeah.. way too overgrown for 15 years. This won't last half a season.

Just look at chernobyl to see how fast nature takes back areas when people are no longer willing/able to maintain it.

I just watched the first episode and had to fight to keep watching past the opening scene. I had a stronger urge to keep watching past the second scene introducing the post electricity "villiage". It's  suburban cul de sac with half a dozen houses and literally nothing around it for miles. But there's like 20 families living there ad they're growing gardens inside the engine compartments of cars. Instead of growing them in the dirt, which is literally every place else. Except for where the asphalt road was, which for whatever reason has been replaced by dirt in less than 15 years. Also, everything is half ass patched with random bullshit, especially if whatever was fixed requires absolutely no electricity at any point to make. I stuck it out anyway and was not let down. I thought this show could not have been a worse piece of crap if they tried. I was wrong. It was a much worse piece of crap than I could have imagined, and it seems to have been done with little effort on their part.

Everything about this show was horrible. Fucking horrible. Don't even get me started on every single random person in the show being an undercover, super-science using master martial artist assassin. Or one of the main characters having somehow made it from infancy to adulthood without air conditioning or medicine while having asthma so bad it almost kills him twice in the first 30 minutes of the show. Or that some ex-google employee with 80 million dollars happened to be living in a 2000 square foot house in BFE.

Yeah, I saw the pilot at comic con back in July.  Meant to write up a similar review here to warn people away from it, but forgot.  While several of the 'realism' issues Bob points out suck, that's not the worst part of the show.  The setting is kind of cool and I could suspend belief if it was fun to watch.  But its not.  The biggest problem is that all of the actors suck shit.  Bad Bad Bad wooden acting.  The whole pilot was also one long string of ancient cliches.  Cliche scene after cliche scene.  Also, its painfully obvious this show is on a lower budget based on film quality and set design (and if its not, then somebody at NBC is snorting away half this shows budget).

Bleh, the setting has some potential, but I don't see anything good being done with it based on this cast and crew.  On the bright side, after they showed the pilot for this at comic con, they immediately showed the pilot for Cult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_(TV_series)).  Which I actually enjoyed quite a bit.  Not sure if they'll be able to stretch out the premise into a full series successfully, but I enjoyed what they did with that a hell of a lot better than Revolution.

Beyond terrible. Classic network tv SKY FIE meant for people who hate SF.

My favorite part is the scene when the lights go out and they're having their daughter have ice cream for the last time EVAH because there's not going to be electricity. Would everyone here who's made ice cream in a hand crank like to raise our hands? I use Thomas Jefferson's recipe. I suspect he used a hand crank too.

Britain conquered half the world without electricity with the US and the Spanish taking care of the rest. Even if China fell to total warlordism (doubt it), I have a hard time thinking that Chinese war junks haven't appeared in California by now. Ditto Rule Brittania in NY and New England areas. Civilization and empires did not start with electricity nor will it end without.

What turned me off most is the sketchy grasp on science and how things work.

Why do guns work but combustion engines don't? We are talking rural America here, there must be tons of pre-electronics cars around that still ought to work. And don't let me get started on Steam Power. After so many years, this should be a Steampunk setting, not the Stone Age with firearms.

It's not an EM pulse, so it's electricity, not electronics. But don't diesel engines work without electricity? At least once you've cranked them enough to get started?

Yes and no. the diesel fuel will ignite when it reaches an adequate ammount of compression + heat. As far as I know some heat is required and that is what the glow plugs are for. Once the diesel engine reaches operating temperature they're not needed anymore and will usually turn off. Without them though you can crank aa cold diesel all day and it wouldn't fire up.

Gasoline engines on the other hand do require electricity for pretty much the entire ignition system. That part has gotten a lot more complicated but even the old timey stuff had electricity making the gas ignite.

Ok, since they established its some mystical mumbo jumbo and they said nobody knows what happened they can do what they like. Some scientific cabal found out how to disable electricity on a global scale. But Guns still work. Guns and Combustion engines are not that far off by how they work. Maybe they needed some time to retrofit existing technology. But they had 15 years.

Yeah, this show is terrible.

I get annoyed with settings like this where the people all seem to have plenty of makeup and trendy clothing... I understand WHY they do it, but it annoys me endlessly.

On a very silly note.. the whole necklace thing just bugs the shit out of me. I HOPE this is a mystical thing, because everything about these little necklace things drive my crazy. If it's a technology thing, there's no reason why anyone would build a housing that looks like that.

Beyond that, shitty set design and SyFy level acting. Terrible.

I do wonder if it's not just electricity that failed... the Google Dude says to the class that "physics stopped working". In addition, planes apparently dropped right out of the sky straight down. Of course, if it IS beyond just electricity, it's even more fucking dumb that at first blush. Also, the title flashes "Evolution" before the R pops up to complete the title. So that could hint at even more shittiness.

Did I mention that this show is shitty?

I managed to make it through the whole show, but yeah, it's pretty fucking bad. It's filmed terribly. The actors are all equally bad. Seeing the "I'm not the werewolf from Twilight but I really want to look like him" show up and be all "I'm a bad guy but you're really hot and I'm really hot we should be hot together" was all sorts of  :uhrr: The acting wasn't SyFy bad because then you are putting it alongside good performances like BSG before the writing started to suck, and that's not fair to people like Edward James Olmos. This was just bad. I could overlook the really obvious scientific/logic fallacies, but the human bits have to be good enough to carry it. They don't. I may try to watch a second episode just to see if they improved from the pilot.

Touché.

You guys are braver than I am.  I couldn't get past the terrible TV promos and the weird reverse crossbow (googling says this thing exists, still looks dumb).

I gave up on this 6 months ago when they put out a trailer.

Zune had it as a free show to watch days before it was on network TV.

I made the mistake of watching it. My only solace is that I didn't have to deal with commercials, so I didn't waste as much of my life as someone watching it when it was broadcast.

Apparently someone at NBC watched Terra Nova one night and thought to himself "I bet I can make something even more retarded than that!" and then shat out Revolution.  The amount of stuff in this show that makes no sense whatsoever is staggering.  Also, Giancarlo Esposito needs to fire his agent.  How do you go from Breaking Bad to this?  :ye_gods:

Thank you for the name. I was wondering where I knew the guy from (not Breaking Bad)... turns out I was recognizing him from Do The Right Thing... and probably only because I saw it about a week ago.

Modern guns are still based purely on mechanical and chemical effects. Nothing electrical in guns unless you use the fancy scopes, laser pointers and night sights. Also, modern ammunition has a long shelf life so 15 years later, M-16s and AK-47s should still work; they are still manufacturing ersatz Lee Enfield/SMLE rifles in Afghanistan and using leftover WW2/50s ammo.

The rest I agree with you.

So are Diesel Engines. Yes, maybe they'd have to remember the good old hand spring to start the motor. But they've got 15 years to figure that out.

I guess someone should have told the dude using the muzzle loaded rifle that.  :awesome_for_real:

So, is this show any good ?

 :awesome_for_real:

You know, I still have this sitting on the DVR and none of this conversation is making me eager to watch, unless it's for the trainwreck factor.

Someone said physics stopped working and that's why planes fell and cars stopped working.. so does that mean only certain areas of physics stopped working or something?  Since that made me wonder about... oh anything really.  Like arrows flying straight and bullets and silly things like that. 

Am I overthinking this?

EXACTLY. The premise is that thqat all electricity stopped working, but a character, whom is allegedly smart says "physics stopped working", and there is some power later in the episo... AND OH GOD WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S SHIT.

I almost want to keep watching just to see how they try to explain all the idiotic decisions (muzzle loaded guns, absolutely no vehicles working, etc., etc). The sheer stupidity of many of their decisions intrigues me as they've gone out of their way to make stuff that should work, not work.. or completely ignore common sense replacements (steam power!).

I may give it a second episode, but I doubt it, as I figure I already know the "why" behind the stupidity; more stupidity.

It's stupid all the way down.

I was going to say "where the hell would you get the ice?" but then I remembered that in some parts of the country that stuff just falls from the sky.

Yeah, the muzzle loader thing was just... Wookies on Endor levels of WUT?

Hate it as much as you want, the premiere ranked as the top drama series debut for any network in the last three years, and the biggest for NBC in the last five.  If they can keep the momentum, expect a renewal.

I didn't think it was totally bad.  The whole "fuck physics" thing was  :uhrr:, but then when you start trying to explain why to the type of audience that NBC has, why bother spending the money to create the series anyways when you're going to loose them the second you start talking over their heads.

 "Gotta give big ups to marketing"

I get the feeling it's going to lose momentum. I've already shitcanned it from my Tivo.

Between this and Falling Skies, I don't think Hollywood has given up on the sci-fi/alt. future tense genres, but they're effectively "done" with the space opera dramas/syndications of the past (Babylon 5, the Treks, the Gates, etc.)  They're trying to evolve it into something that has broader appeal that can hook the non-hardcore while still trying to appeal to the hardcore. 

The problem, IMO, is that you can't.  It's a balancing scale, not a Venn diagram of creating a show that services both groups.  You either slant the show towards the hardcore and limit the understandable/likability of others, or you broaden things out by dumbing it down or breaking some rules to allow the non's to 'get it' but at the cost of your hardcores not getting really attached.

The newer Battlestar Galactica was the last show I can think of that did a pretty decent job of balancing the scales between the two.  Again, IMO, of course  :grin:

I'd rather watch this then another cop or medical show. 

That's not a ringing endorsement.  I'd rather stare out my window than watch another cop or medical show.

Husband: "I hope you didn't set this to series record, did you?"

Finally watched it this morning and that was his comment.  He was interested because of the Chicago setting but even he thought it wasn't too great and this is a guy fascinated by reality TV.

I watched it knowing all the comments in this thread and when he brought up similar issues... yeah.  I may record the second episode just for lulz, but I don't think this one will hold our attention beyond that.

Not endorsing it but at least the studios are trying to push different shows out instead of Cop show #2342342.

If you're conscious you're overthinking it. When the airplanes fell, they fell straight down spinning in place on their vertical axis, while still having working electricity. Then the electricity goes out at a liesurely pace one car at a time down the freeway as if a gremlin was strolling down the road touching each car like Monk. But anyway, planes lose every single bit of energy that lets them fly, but not birds, arros, bullets, etc. It's just to much to even think about without going mad, especially since the whole thing is layer after layer of stupid. Like a giant retarded onion inviting you to peel away one mindless layer at a time only to left with your own tears and no explanation in sight. And a pile of stinky, dumb onion.

It is set around Chicago after all. But seriously, the Romans were able to make ice out in the field using shallow pits of water covered with polished metal and there are no shortage of ways to do it chemically now. If I were a post civilization warlord, enslaving some good chemists would be a pretty high priority.

The show lost me simply with the cast.  An angsty katniss wanabe, a Jacob stand-in, and an asthmatic Bieber-boy are the leads in this.  really?  The only saving grace about the entire show was Giancarlo Esposito (the Captain).  I'm sure Abrams will have him killed off shortly though.   :oh_i_see:

Why Favreau WHY?

Before electric refrigeration, ice used to be a big business. Cut it from ponds in the winter, store it in ice houses, and deliver it to people to be put in "ice boxes" which were primitive refrigerators cooled by actual ice. We're talking something my father remembered, still common in the 1920s. For ice cream, the bigger problem would probably be salt, which you'd need to get from the the ocean and which has far more important uses than luxury items. However, from reading ex-pat blogs, it seems like junk food is one of the most intense things people miss when they can't get what they're used to. The number of Americans who move abroad and pine for liberty or something like that is close to nil, the number who move home because they can't get doritos is kind of frightening. I'm sure somebody at the spring festival or something would be making ice cream.

I don't think it's necessarily about americans and junk food, more like the little comforts of home.  My girlfriend from italy constantly pines over the lack of something called gingeralia.

The Great Lakes have miles and miles and miles of underground salt.  Wouldn't be a problem in Chicago who'd be able to trade for it from Cleveland and Detroit as Chicago doesn't have a salt lick themselves.  (Funnily enough, this would make both of them fucking WEALTHY cities in this post-apocalyptic world.  Yet another reason to befriend angry.bob when the world ends.)

Course with physical laws changing like this, who knows.. maybe Chicago is now the salt capital of the world in "Revolutionland"

Is that a sexy name for a body part?

Fucking downtown Chicago to Pontiac in a day on foot!?!? Has plausibilty gone completely out the door? The husband walked off, he refuses to watch this he says it's so bad.

The laws of physics changed, remember!

So they have mini-wormholes or something?

Grand Hotel & Restaurant Supply (best guess for the loc in the show) to Pontiac, IL is ~100 miles.  So not doable in a day, more like a week if you average walking 20 miles a day. 

Pontiac, IL to Lowell, IN is ~90 miles, so at least the "meet me in Lowell, IN in two weeks" is plausible. 

I think I'm fascinated by the whole trainwreck aspect now.  Stupid girl ignores somewhat common sense reasoning and sets off on her own to follow needlessly mysterious uncle off on his own agenda (more revealed next week!) and is followed by resident hunk either following uncle or girl for supposed reasons of his own.  Google-guy suddenly comes up with "Oh yeah, dead dad told me to go see X person in Y place and give mysterious item", but I never bothered to mention that to anyone until uncle and stupid girl have wandered off. 

It's like the plot is trying to be obtuse and retarded on purpose.

Really? The black man took the white man's gun away and burned his flag? Really?

This sounds like a gift that keeps on giving !

 :rimshot:

Yeah, Stupid Girl made me want to throw something at my 46" last night, and then I remembered it's a 46" LED...I might want to watch other non-suck shows.   :why_so_serious:

Like I said earlier, you can slant sci-fi shows to the hardcore or to the layman.  I think we have a pretty good idea now which way they're going with this.

It's better than Honey boo boo.

Not that a sample of one is any good, but I'd say my husband is a pretty good representative of the layman and he thinks the show is pretty damn stupid.  At least if you're going to slant it towards the layman, could you at least use some form of logic?  I don't even care if your science is made up using magic hand waving, at least have the basic facts right (like the whole traveling part).

I can forgive the "travel to Pontiac" parts. I cannot forgive the utterly non-Illinois forests that they are hiking through. I've spent a lot of time in the woods in Northern and Central Illinois. That's not how it looks.

Now now, this is 15 years down the line after the power's been disappeared.  I'm sure the forests around here would magically morph into something more resembling not-Illinois. 

Actually, the amount of greenery growth is about the most believable part of the whole show, IMO. 

I just didn't realize that we had forests that were like 85% pine trees. Oh, and loads of swampy pond bits.

I do agree that the "HOLY SHIT PLANT GROWTH" bit is pretty decent. It's also nice to see that all of those Civil War reenactment buffs finally found a more practical use for their period field tents. Apparently, once the power and physics went away, every lootable REI retail outlet disappeared too.

Forget REI, what kind of warlord is this guy if he's sleeping in a field instead of back in Uncle Idiot's hotel and single malt repository in Chicago?

Along with the laws of physics being changed in mysterious and unfathomable ways, so too did the laws of common sense.

But, but, but, jacketsleeve zipgun!

Tehee, keep posting about this trainwreck of a show.
I have no intention of watching it but I enjoy your dissing of it.
Does sex still work in this universe?

Eh, this part makes sense.  Hes the kind of warlord that leads with his army rather than sitting back and getting drunk while some other general runs around with it.  You know, like an actual warlord.  Guy who sits back and lets a general run around with the entire army finds the general coming back to chat with troops more loyal to him than the warlord.  He wants to be Caesar (which is exactly what they are going for since they are all half dresses like fricken legionaries).

Not sure why I'm even bothering to protect this.  The show is so bad.  Though I will admit to being mildly curious as to the background story they write for how the government and military fell apart and formed the world we have here.

Actually the Monroe Republic seems like a pretty benign world. I'll certainly take it over the Holnists from The Postman or the bleak horror of The Road. Actually, that little suburb is surviving and producing enough food after tithing to Monroe for Google Guy to be rocking the fat nerd look?  It's probably better than half the countries on the earth right now.

So yes, obviously his leadership style works.   :awesome_for_real:

All this talk about post apocalyptic world and vegetation makes me want to dig up The Day of the Triffids, were any of the miniseries worth watching?

But yes please keep watching and posting about this trainwreck  :awesome_for_real:

Where are all the Bicycles?
Physics broke them I guess...

No Bikes In The Apocalypse (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoBikesInTheApocalypse)

You'd think people would at least pick up some scooters.  Break into any Target and head for the kid's section. Which of course, will be next to the rows of bikes.

Only the early BBC one.  The recent BBC one with Dougray and Izzard was fucking awful.

I mean it.  It was awful.  Avoid at all costs.

Ok, so the second episode was sitting there on my DVR daring me to watch it.  So against my better judgement, I hit play....


Seriously, I made it less than two minutes in before I stopped it, deleted it and took it off my DVR forever and ever.

Fuck you.


I want those 4 hours back.

So last night I watched the first one and it wasn't very good.  This morning I was going to peek at the second, but as I hit play, the connection went down and stayed down until just a short while ago.  HOURS!!! I won't make that mistake again!  My new little laptop has a very sensitive soul.

I'm saddened that this show is the breakout show of 2012 because it's SOOOO TERRIBLE.

However, it means I can enjoy this Cracked article which pokes at its stupidity.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-10-dumbest-things-tv-so-far-this-season

I'm only watching one new show this year (Last Resort, which isn't terrible but it's just ok). I was going to check this one out but then I read this thread.

On the up side, I saw the first episode of Sherlock, which piqued my interest. And I finally figured out how to get youtube on my roku.

There's a new youtube for roku? I thought the only one was available only if you were grandfathered

No, there isn't a new youtube app. It's a clunky workaround. You have to use Plex. (And you have to install Plex on a pc in order to use it so you can add stuff to your plex queue to watch).

I expect this to go away at some point but it works for now.

Ah ok, we're lucky, we have the old old youtube app. They forced its removal from the store, but they allowed us to be grandfathered in, but as time goes on, it gets more and more wonky.

Do i have to be the first one to say something good about this show? I just watched a few episodes and as much as i DESPISE the stupid chic they chose as the main character i actually like that they are moving the story/mystery along rather than dragging it out for years.  If that dumb bitch and her brother died horribly this might be one of the best shows around.

Terra nova was better. That means this one will be one for a while.

Sooo...if anyone's been following the current season...

- We found out how and why the power got turned off
- We might just get the power back on for the season 2 finale next week.

I am still enjoying the story while hating the main character, at least i got half my wish and the brother is gone.

Season 2 finale.

I was almost ready to give up on this show by the second episode but I'm glad I stuck thru the first season. It's not a great show but it got alot better than it was at the start.

Season 2 doesn't air til September. Season 1 just completed. I haven't watched it, but need noise so I'm grabbing it from the internets.

Don't.  Get Orphan Black or Defiance or pretty much anything else that's ever been aired on TV.

Show got a lot better after it's midpoint hiatus.  It's actually pretty watchable once they got into what was actually going on and what they did.

The number of BBC shows I actually enjoy can be counted on one hand.

I will not give an ounce of my time to Defiance.

Either way, it's not actually going to be given any attention. It'll be behind a window making noise while I do actual shit on the computer.

Defiance is a far better show.

When you're talking about shitty sci-fi, that rarely matters.

Defiance would make good background noise since overall it's surprisingly bland.  Interesting background and not terrible or anything, but for a show with a bunch of aliens on a partially terraformed Earth, it's kind of dull.

On the other hand, Revolution actively tried to murder my intelligence.

Edit: You know what's funny is I used to know one of the associate producers of the show, but we haven't been in touch in over 10 years.  I should try to get in touch with him so I can let him know how truly awful his show is.  :grin:

Orphan Black is also not a BBC show really. It was filmed in Canada, its actors are I think mostly Canadian and it's also REALLY GOOD.

Not background noise.

100% agree w/ schild on this show though - it's ok if you are seriously not paying attention.  If you try and pay attention, it_is_so_bad.

Every episode of OB was better than the previous and the first was damn good.

The Mrs. and I catching up with season 2.

And the secret bad guy is....

He's a wizard....  Seriously, the whole show has been fantasy tropes in steampunk drag.

--Dave

So this is one of the cancelled shows this spring. While it was almost inevitable it's still frustrating to see a show end without any kind of resolution of the plot (or the whole premise of the show). They do have 2 episodes still unaired but I doubt those will do much more than set up a the next (non-existant) season.  :uhrr:

I still watched the this cuz it had some elements I liked.  Sucks that there won't be any closure for the show.

I sometimes wonder if networks would be well served to put an 'option' in all contracts to pull the cast back for a tv movie to end any series that doesn't get picked up.  I'd personally be more inclined to stick it out with a series if I knew it would have closure.  I gave up on this show 3/4 of the way through season one when the show seemed unlikely to get past season 2, even if it managed to be renewed for a season 2.

Finished watching the season finale.  While it was nice to finally end the "Patriot" arc, it seemed rather anti-climatic for all the skullduggery and scheming that went on all this time.  And then to go to the all the trouble to set things up for what would have been season 3's "Nano" arc...what a waste.

Ah well.  Maybe now Rockne O'Bannon can get back to work on the new Farscape movie  :drill: