Title: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Raguel on April 06, 2012, 02:41:02 PM http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/2012/04/06/bioware-the-next-dragon-age-wont-reuse-levels-will-have-decisions-that-matter/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Quote BioWare said at PAX East today that it's taking fan feedback on the future of its Dragon Age series — and harsh criticisms of Dragon Age II — to heart. At the developer's first panel today, Dragon Age creative director Mike Laidlaw walked fans through some of the most frequently vocalized criticisms and suggestions, hinting at three key changes coming to the next entry: equipment for your followers, decisions that matter and no more reuse of levels. No DA3 announcement, but if there was a DA3, they won't reuse areas. :oh_i_see: Frankly I hate the whole item acquisition part of rpgs so I liked not worrying about armor for the party members. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: caladein on April 06, 2012, 02:57:18 PM The issue I had with DA2 and companion inventory is that you still had to spend time managing it, but you were working on the least fun things for the most part. I eventually just started to ignore it.
Would have liked to see them go in the other direction towards ME3 where I still got to play around with the fun stuff, skins and weapons, and ignored the rest of it. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Pezzle on April 06, 2012, 02:58:55 PM I enjoy kitting oiut my team, but DA2 was a failure for reasons other than that. DA3? Yeah. I think EA gets no more of my monies.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 06, 2012, 02:59:00 PM Yeah that is the main "complaint" about DA2 that I wish they had ignored completely. Telling my companions how to dress themselves (aside from telling Isabella to put on some goddamn pants) isn't something I missed at all. :P
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Ingmar on April 06, 2012, 03:00:38 PM I dunno, I think what makes part of the whole FANTASY! thing work differently than sci-fi is stuff like magic rings and amulets and such. I don't mind managing that stuff for my party members at all. On the other hand, I also liked them having a defined 'look' in DA2 vs. the kind of hodgepodge of stuff you'd sometimes end up with in DA:O (or SWTOR for that matter) - I think they can strike a balance with that stuff pretty easily though.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: caladein on April 06, 2012, 03:06:20 PM Yeah that is the main "complaint" about DA2 that I wish they had ignored completely. Telling my companions how to dress themselves (aside from telling Isabella to put on some goddamn pants) isn't something I missed at all. :P I still get shit from my friends for using that Isabella pants mod. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 06, 2012, 03:08:45 PM Pants mod best mod. :heart:
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Simond on April 06, 2012, 03:21:12 PM All I'm going to say before we get any real information is that anyone who pre-orders this is an idiot.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 06, 2012, 03:24:35 PM Promises, promises.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Rokal on April 06, 2012, 03:29:36 PM I dunno, I think what makes part of the whole FANTASY! thing work differently than sci-fi is stuff like magic rings and amulets and such. I don't mind managing that stuff for my party members at all. On the other hand, I also liked them having a defined 'look' in DA2 vs. the kind of hodgepodge of stuff you'd sometimes end up with in DA:O (or SWTOR for that matter) - I think they can strike a balance with that stuff pretty easily though. During the panel they showed an image of a male Warden character and a female Chantry character, and how the same piece of armor would visibly change each character while still keeping a more defined look. The armor changed to fit the angles of the characters 'signature look', so for example a shoulderplate would have a large arch in the middle for the Chantry character, while it would be round for the Warden character: different gear, same silhouette. Lots of accessories, etc, stayed the same as well. It was all concept art, but it seemed like a decent compromise. They also hinted that dyes/color customization would be coming to DA3 which would be nice. My bigger problem with gear in DA1 or 2 was how much useless gear you got. You could collect entire resistance sets for each element, and you never really had a situation where they were worth using. If they're going to bring back more armor customization, I hope they balance that out by removing armor that nobody is actually going to use. Of course, the 'chestplate' armor example during the panel was resistance gear, so maybe not :facepalm: Promises, promises. They had three slides that got varying levels of applause. "No more re-used armor" and "customized companion armor" got loud applause. "Your choices will matter" got what seemed like very little. Most likely because they promise it for every Bioware game, and DA2/ME3 show that talk is cheap.Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 06, 2012, 03:41:22 PM My post was a response to Simond, nothing more. :P
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Velorath on April 06, 2012, 03:42:16 PM They had three slides that got varying levels of applause. "No more re-used armor" and "customized companion armor" got loud applause. "Your choices will matter" got what seemed like very little. Most likely because they promise it for every Bioware game, and DA2/ME3 show that talk is cheap. Well, "choices will matter" is a pretty meaningless statement. You could argue that choice mattered in previous Bioware games. You could even argue that the decision to go to the left or the right when you start Pitfall! is a choice in a game that matters. Without any sort of context for what they mean when they say that, there's not really any reason to feel one way or the other about it. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Surlyboi on April 06, 2012, 04:55:57 PM All I'm going to say before we get any real information is that anyone who pre-orders this is an idiot. Troll moar pls. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Rasix on April 06, 2012, 04:59:04 PM Pants mod best mod. :heart: I like big boats, I cannot lie. Forever pantsless. :heart: Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 06, 2012, 05:12:55 PM Pants are just one of Those Things for me. I can suspend my disbelief about a lot of things, but shit like no pants (also spike heels) stretch it TOO FAR for some reason.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Arinon on April 06, 2012, 06:16:10 PM The issue I had with DA2 and companion inventory is that you still had to spend time managing it, but you were working on the least fun things for the most part. I eventually just started to ignore it. This. I very much like inventory management as a way to customize but the problem is that UIs for it have taken a nose dive. Everything has to work with a damn controller now. Having to go through a zillion key presses and swapping between several screens to compare isn't worth it. If I have to do that then I'd rather they just give me a big "Equip the best shit I have" button. Long live the paper-doll! Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Fabricated on April 06, 2012, 06:30:56 PM Is DA3 going to be a hack-n-slasher with barely any RPG elements still instead of the pretty good RPG that DA:O was?
If yes, yeah no thanks. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: schild on April 06, 2012, 08:31:13 PM People who still care about this franchise are crazy.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: koro on April 06, 2012, 08:38:29 PM I still think it's a worthwhile franchise if it can be salvaged, but I'm not holding my breath. I'll keep an eye on it from a distance and if it looks even the slightest bit iffy, I won't touch it no matter what.
Of course, given that it'll probably be Origin-only on the PC, that decision will likely be made for me anyway. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Hoax on April 06, 2012, 08:47:18 PM Of course, given that it'll probably be Origin-only on the PC, that decision will likely be made for me anyway. Yup. ME3 will be the first last and only Origin purchase I ever make. Nothing I've had to deal with since the created that shit for dlc's or activations has been anything but a hassle on the "I might as well pirate this game I bought so I can actually just fucking play it" scale. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: rk47 on April 06, 2012, 09:06:39 PM People who still care about this franchise are crazy. But where can we find lesbian elves and homosexual ex-slave elves romance from the west? the alternative (http://www.winterwolves.com/spiritedheart.htm) ain't pretty, man. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Margalis on April 06, 2012, 10:42:14 PM Well, "choices will matter" is a pretty meaningless statement. Pod person detected. Should have done more research into your subject's behavior patterns before you attempted takeover. Your cover is blown - earth has been saved! Anyway...I'm not liking this relatively new thing companies are doing where they come out and say "here are the 5 biggest problems people had with our last game and here is how we are fixing them!" It's the kind of thing you hear from a CEO of a company on the verge of bankruptcy trying to convince investors to stick around. Creating a good game is more than just creating an ordered list of fan complaints and fixing them. A lot of the time what fans identify are not the fundamental issues and those fixes don't necessarily coalesce into a better self-consistent whole. It's good to consider feedback but creating a list of complaints and addressing each is a bit on-the-nose. It's more of a marketing ploy than a game design thing. Bioware has been saying this for every game since ME2 anyway. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: tmp on April 06, 2012, 11:01:06 PM Yeah that is the main "complaint" about DA2 that I wish they had ignored completely. Telling my companions how to dress themselves (aside from telling Isabella to put on some goddamn pants) isn't something I missed at all. :P I like dressing up my virtual dolls so i'm pleased there'll be more opportunity for that :drill:(everyone staying in single outfit is boring as fuck especially when the game tries to pretend it plays over 10 years) Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: K9 on April 07, 2012, 12:06:22 AM People who still care about this franchise are crazy. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Tannhauser on April 07, 2012, 07:25:51 PM I'd love to be in the writer's meeting for DA3 as they try to un-fuck Bioware's reputation. "OK, we need three endings, all involving ponies, rainbows and blowjobs for Hawke."
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: calapine on April 07, 2012, 07:28:47 PM If they have any sense they'll ditch Hawke completely and re-start.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Venkman on April 07, 2012, 08:10:58 PM Anyway...I'm not liking this relatively new thing companies are doing where they come out and say "here are the 5 biggest problems people had with our last game and here is how we are fixing them!" It's the kind of thing you hear from a CEO of a company on the verge of bankruptcy trying to convince investors to stick around. Creating a good game is more than just creating an ordered list of fan complaints and fixing them. A lot of the time what fans identify are not the fundamental issues and those fixes don't necessarily coalesce into a better self-consistent whole. It's good to consider feedback but creating a list of complaints and addressing each is a bit on-the-nose. It's more of a marketing ploy than a game design thing. It's large-corporation speak. Most of the Directors and above have the budgets, but none of them came up through anything resembling a creative career. Without instincts of their own, it's impossible to be confident in those of others. So instead they create these "tools" that let them boil down anything into a 3-5 item bulletpoint list. And they usually pay an external research company buckets of cash for the insights, because uncreative upper managers also have a tendency of suspecting their internal teams and their own motivations. I have no idea what the culture is like a Bioware <wherever> years into being owned by EA. But all of the PR contrived corporate speak was one inevitability of it. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Paelos on April 07, 2012, 08:13:32 PM Telling your customers where you are heading, PR or otherwise, is probably a wise idea.
The other part of that direction is actually ending up somewhere near the goals you stated. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Margalis on April 07, 2012, 08:26:16 PM Telling your customers where you are heading, PR or otherwise, is probably a wise idea. I don't disagree in general, it's just a matter of degrees. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 07, 2012, 08:30:22 PM If they have any sense they'll ditch Hawke completely and re-start. They've already said, for ages now, DA3 is not going to star Hawke. It never was. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Raguel on April 08, 2012, 01:50:52 AM I wouldn't mind if they had two versions of DA, one with the Warden and the other with Hawke. My "Phantom Miria" has kind of grown on me and I wouldn't mind seeing her again. I was kind of annoyed when I started the thread. Earlier Bioware said they had to cancel the DA2 xpac for... something and IMO it was implied that they would announce the new project and what we got instead was this b.s. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Mosesandstick on April 08, 2012, 04:01:35 AM Pretty sure DA3 is neither hawke nor the warden.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: tmp on April 08, 2012, 09:42:43 AM I was kind of annoyed when I started the thread. Earlier Bioware said they had to cancel the DA2 xpac for... something and IMO it was implied that they would announce the new project and what we got instead was this b.s. On the other hand it could be worse. Like a big marketing sound and dance number leading to reveal of franchise logo, or announcement of official launch of browser tie-in that was in open beta for past half year. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sir T on April 08, 2012, 12:07:59 PM But where can we find lesbian elves and homosexual ex-slave elves romance from the west? Mass effect says hi. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 08, 2012, 12:30:27 PM Mass Effect doesn't have elves. :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Teleku on April 08, 2012, 01:19:21 PM Asari are space elves.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Paelos on April 08, 2012, 01:59:21 PM Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 08, 2012, 02:12:21 PM Yes, but they're not elf elves. They also have creepy head fringe.
EDIT: Also, none of them have penises, which makes male/male romance with an elf difficult. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sir T on April 08, 2012, 04:28:00 PM Who gives a shit about male/male? :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 08, 2012, 05:31:08 PM The thing you were quoting was refering to one of the male/male romances possible in DA2, dearheart. :heart:
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sir T on April 08, 2012, 06:08:21 PM Yes, but they're not elf elves. They also have creepy head fringe. EDIT: Also, none of them have penises, which makes male/male romance with an elf difficult. And anyway how do you know none of them have penises? have you seen an asari naked from the front? They might "whip it out" when they have bonded with a female, ya know. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 08, 2012, 07:24:53 PM I feel pretty safe in my assumption, but if you prefer to imagine futa asari, I ain't gonna stop you.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Pezzle on April 08, 2012, 07:38:51 PM Maybe they are detachable!
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Phildo on April 08, 2012, 08:07:18 PM Page 2 of this thread is much better than page 1.
Probably not going to buy this unless it's eventually on Steam for less than $20. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Der Helm on April 08, 2012, 08:14:44 PM Hey, look. I learned a new word. Thank you Sjofn. ;D
:ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 08, 2012, 09:15:29 PM I live to educate others, Der Helm. :heart:
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: tmp on April 09, 2012, 12:02:33 AM I feel pretty safe in my assumption, but if you prefer to imagine futa asari, I ain't gonna stop you. I feel the extended cut DLC would be a perfect place to reveal the futasari :grin:"more details you've ever demanded or imagined" Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 09, 2012, 12:11:37 AM Expectations: HEIGHTENED
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: UnSub on April 09, 2012, 12:13:01 AM Expectations: Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: rk47 on April 09, 2012, 12:19:18 AM this one wonders whether the last enkindler wishes to attempt to procreate and repopulate its race in the true ending dlc?
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: amiable on April 09, 2012, 05:09:04 AM I think they decided not to make an expansion for DA2 because the DLC sold poorly. I kow I refused to buy any DLC for this game after I discovered the whole game was a steaming pile of repetative copypasta dungeons. They couldn't even bother to remove the damn doorways, thye just boarded them up. That combined wiht the total lack of customization and dumbing down of all traditional RPG elements to turn into a console game really lost it for me.
I thought the story was pretty good though, and Varric was one of my favorite RPG characters ever. If this were on Steam I would probably wait a year and see if I could pick it up on sale, but fuck origins in the ear, I will Yaarrrr this game before I ever buy it on that craptastic system. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Lantyssa on April 09, 2012, 06:09:16 AM futasari :ye_gods:Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 09, 2012, 07:57:07 AM Hot blue dickings for everyone! :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Merusk on April 09, 2012, 08:54:59 AM There has to be a Rule 34 of that somewhere. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sir T on April 09, 2012, 09:16:10 AM Are you brave enough to google it? :grin:
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 09, 2012, 09:21:38 AM That rule 34 is about six years old now. Rest assured if it exists, a dick has been put on it.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: sickrubik on April 09, 2012, 09:53:38 AM Futa is the internet equivalent to "Put a Bird On It".
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Merusk on April 09, 2012, 10:09:18 AM Are you brave enough to google it? :grin: Not at work, no. I will later. Futa doesn't scare me, I've seen futapokeman, after all. After that Futasari are pretty much 'normal.' Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Tarami on April 09, 2012, 10:35:11 AM There's a reasonable amount of futasari on the Interweb, yes. None particularly well done, as far as I can tell. :-P
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: sickrubik on April 09, 2012, 10:55:58 AM Clearly a Kickstarter is in order to rectify this.
Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Sjofn on April 09, 2012, 12:44:41 PM If we can take a break from futasari - which I realize is my own fault in the first place, and I don't regret it for a moment - I would like to address this:
I think they decided not to make an expansion for DA2 because the DLC sold poorly. I kow I refused to buy any DLC for this game after I discovered the whole game was a steaming pile of repetative copypasta dungeons. They couldn't even bother to remove the damn doorways, thye just boarded them up. That combined wiht the total lack of customization and dumbing down of all traditional RPG elements to turn into a console game really lost it for me. I thought the story was pretty good though, and Varric was one of my favorite RPG characters ever. If this were on Steam I would probably wait a year and see if I could pick it up on sale, but fuck origins in the ear, I will Yaarrrr this game before I ever buy it on that craptastic system. If it was mostly the copypasting that pissed you off, the DLC was 100% worth it. There was no copypasting, they handled waves much better, EVERYONE has dialogue in it, and there are even puzzles and shit for the people who, for whatever reason, enjoy RPG puzzles (I usually don't, although I solved them anyway eventually). I prefered Legacy, but both were very good. Title: Re: Dragon Age "Announcement" Post by: Koyasha on April 12, 2012, 04:21:10 PM I have not yet gotten the DA2 DLC just because I haven't felt like playing it again. That, I find, is an issue with DLC in general - by the time it's out, I'm no longer really playing that game and it could be months or more before I pick up any interest again. Eventually I will (well, for games I particularly enjoy I will), but generally it won't be right when the DLC releases.
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