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Did you know that the playoff pairings are the same every Season? This is the Playoff Picture, so we can start speculating on possible matches...


(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Playoff%20picture%20season%20X%20final.jpg)

As of I know I would be playing... Carnifex or Ingmar  :why_so_serious:

Sweet. Looks like I should be playing Ice Cream or Ramas. Ugh! Better off throwing a few games and playing Ingmar or Carnifex or Comstar!

Just tell me where I am to come to avoid playing dwarves. 4th?

Well I'm glad someone is optimistic about my chances of making the playoffs.

So if I manage to make 4th then my 'reward' is getting to play the Ex-Presidents...

It doesn't get any better if I somehow steal 3rd, I'd likely be playing Alive Not Dead in that case.

Aiming for the Loserbowl is looking more attractive all the time.

The Loser Bowl is more chances to get SPPs (which, eventually, are supposed to be used to try to get to the playoffs next year), but more chances to have your players killed too. That happened a lot in last season's Failoffs.

Eventually, I feel that aiming up is still the point of my team, no matter how much I lose, I like to look back at a team history and see achievements and failures, and the best results are what really matters.

I mean, we are not disagreeing, I don't think, just saying that while I  don't feel I'll ever win a League, getting as deep in the playoff as I can is still my number #1 goal every Season.

I plan on being the worst team in the loserbowl!

Impossible.  You cannot be weaker than 'flings.

Oh man, I feel for whoever gets stuck in Twilight 2000 slot 4.

HOWEVER - they might get a gift in the form of a bye to the second round if I still don't have stuff up and running by the time playoffs roll around.  :oh_i_see:

So if I somehow managed 4th place and a spot in the playoffs, I get to play fucking DWARVES?

Millard Fillmore only wants hugs.  There is nothing to fear.

That's going up in our locker room, sir.

Am I a dark horse in the playoff picture yet?

I think you have to be outside the top four to be a dark horse. You're just a horse.

No one ever mentions me, though!  :why_so_serious:

Join the club  :sad_panda:

With three match days to go and 9 points up for grabs some players have already effectively cemented their place.

Division 1:
Comstar is currently on 7 points - is yet to play: Sjofn, Paelos, Celer. Will probably take 9 points from those games leaving him on 16. Needs to not lose vs both Sjofn and Celer.
Ingmar is urrently on 8 points - is yet to play: Proudft, Celer and Carnifex. Will probably take 7 points from those games leaving him on 15. Needs to not lose vs both Proudft and Carnifex.
Carnifex is currently on 8 points - is yet to play: Me, Proudft, Ingmar. Will probably take 5 points from those games leaving him on 13. Needs to beat Proudft and not lose vs me and Ingmar
I am currently on 5 points - am yet to play: Carnifex, Sjofn, Paelos. Will probably take 7 points from those games leaving me on 12. Need to beat Sjofn and at least draw vs Carnifex.
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Sjofn is currently on 7 points - is yet to play: Comstar, Me, Proudft. Will probably take 4 points from those games leaving her on 11. Needs to beat me and at least draw with Comstar.
Proudft is currently on 4 points - is yet to play: Ingmar, Carnifex, Sjofn. Will probably take 4 points from those games leaving him on 8. Needs to beat Sjofn and win one and draw one of his remaining matches.
Celer is currently on 4 points - is yet to play: Paelos, Ingmar, Comstar. Will probably take 3 points from those games leaving him on 7. Needs a win and a draw vs Comstar and Ingmar.
Paelos is currently on 0 points - is yet to play: Celer, Comstar, Me. Is unlikely to take any points from those games leaving him on 0. Cannot make the playoff even if he wins all his remaining matches.

Critical games are:
Me vs Sjofn - winner is likely to take the 4th spot.
Sjofn vs Comstar - If Sjofn wins this she practically guarantees herself a playoff spot regardless of the result vs me.
Proudft vs Carnifex. Carnifex needs two wins and a draw to stay in the race.

Division 2:
AndyDavo is currently on 10 points - is yet to play: Luckton, Reborne, Falconeer. Will probably take 9 points from those games leaving him on 19. Will be through even if he loses to Falconeer.
Lamaros is currently on 10 points - is yet to play: Reborne, Megrim, Avaia. Will probably take 9 points from those games leaving him on 19. Needs at least one point to guarantee a playoff spot.
Falconeer is currently on 9 points - is yet to play: Megrim, Haemish, AndyDavo. Will probably take 6 points from those games leaving him on 15. Needs at least 2 points from Megrim and Haemish
Megrim is currently on 6 points - is yet to play: Falconeer, Lamaros, Haemish. Will probably take 3 points from those games leaving him on 9. Needs to beat Haemish and score a draw vs either Lamaros or Falconeer.
Haemish is currently on 6 points - is yet to play: Avaia, Falconeer, Megrim. Will probably take 3 points from those games leaving him on 9. Needs to beat either Megrim or Avaia and draw vs the other one.
Avaia is currently on 6 points - is yet to play: Haemish, Luckton, Lamaros. Will probably take 3 points from those games leaving him on 9. Needs to beat Haemish.
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Reborne is currently on 0 points - is yet to play: Lamaros, AndyDavo, Luckton. Will probably take 3 points from those games leaving him on 3. Cant make the playoffs even if he wins all his remaining games.
Luckton is currently on 0 points - is yet to play: AndyDavo, Avaia, Reborne. Will probably not take any points from those games leaving him on 0. Cant make the playoffs even if he wins all his remaining games.

Critical games:
Megrim vs Haemish. Three coaches fighting over the fourth spot. First to blink loses.
Avaia vs Haemish.

Division 3:
Teleku is currently on 9 points - is yet to play: Strazos, ICE, Krummi. Is likely to take 7 points from those games leaving him on 16. Needs at least two points from the games vs ICE and Krummi.
ICE is currently on 7 points - is yet to play: Krummi, Teleku, Ginaz. Is likely to take 7 points from those games leaving him on 14. Needs at least two points from the games vs Ginaz and Krummi.
Ramas is currently on 6 points - is yet to play: Ginaz, Ulysees, Kailas. Is likely to take 7 points from those games leaving him on 13. Needs at least one win and no losses.
Strazos is currently on 12 points - is yet to play: Teleku, Ginaz, Ulysees. Is unlikely to play any of his remaining games so will end the season on 12 points. is through unless Ulysees or Krummi win all of their games.
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Ulysees is currently on 4 points - is yet to play: Kailas, Ramas, Strazos. Is likely to take 6 points from those games leaving him on 10. Needs to beat Ramas.
Krummi is currently on 6 points - is yet to play: ICE, Kailas, Teleku. Is likely to take 3 points from those games leaving him on 9. Needs to beat either ICE or Teleku and win the tie vs Strazos.
Ginaz is currently on 1 point - is yet to play: Ramas, Strazos, ICE. Is likely to take 3 points from those games leaving him on 3. Needs to beat both ICE and Ramas and win the tie vs Strazos.
Kailas is currently on 1 point - is yet to play: Ulysees, Krummi, Ramas. Is not likely to take any points from those games leaving him on 1. Cannot make the playoffs even if he wins all his remaining games.

Critical matches:
Ramas vs Ulysees. Ulysees needs to win, Ramas needs a draw.
Teleku vs ICE. Winner will top the division.

Division 4:
Ruvaldt is currently on 12 points - is yet to play: Ezrast, SirT, Drogg. Is likely to take 7 points from those games leaving him on 19. Is pretty much through. Not losing vs Drogg will guarantee a top of division finish.
Bann is currently on 7 points - is yet to play: SirT, Drogg, Catfud. Is likely to take 9 points from those games leaving him on 16. Needs at least one point from the games vs Drogg and Catfud to be safe.
Catfud is currently on 9 points - is yet to play: Cancklebiter, Brocktoon, Bann. Is likely to take 6 points from those games leaving him on 15. One win will put him out of danger.
Drogg is currently on 7 points - is yet to play: Brocktoon, Bann, Ruvaldt. Is likely to take 4 points from those games leaving him on 11. A win vs either Bann or Ruvaldt or a draw in both matches will make his playoff place safe enough.
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Cancklebiter is currently on 3 points - is yet to play: Catfud, Ezrast, Brocktoon. Is likely to take 6 points from those games leaving him on 9. Needs to beat Brocktoon and Ezrast and needs Drogg to lose all his games.
SirT is currently on 4 points - is yet to play: Bann, Ruvaldt, Ezrast. Is likely to take 1 point from those games laving him on 5. Needs to beat Ezrast and either Bann or Ruvaldt.
Brocktoon is currently on 2 points - is yet to play: Drogg, Catfud, Cancklebiter. Is not likely to take any points from those games leaving him on 2. Needs to win all of his games and for Cancklebiter to lose all of his.
Ezrast is currently on 1 point - is yet to play: Ruvaldt, Cancklebiter, SirT. Is likely to take 1 point from those games leaving him on 2. Cannot make the playoffs even if he wins all his remaining games.

Critical matches:
Cancklebiter vs Brocktoon. Cancklebiter needs to win this one to stay in the playoff lane.
Cancklebiter vs Ezrast. Should be an easy match but if it goes wrong then Cancklebiter is out.
Drogg vs Bann. A win for Drogg will keep him in contention.

Pretty good summary, though I think Drogg and Llyse could both beat Bann.

Drogg has really be hurt by the inability to get his game in against SirT.

EDIT: Bah, stupid.

I have a pretty good shot at the playoffs now with my win over IainC, I think? Because I totally want to rematch against the Ex-Presidents.


(I don't ... really want to rematch against the Ex-Presidents.)

Our division is  :drill: !

Carnifex: 11, +7 (*still to play proudft)
Ingmar: 11, +5
Comstar: 11, +2
Sjofn: 10, +1
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Celer: 10, +2
proudft: 4, -4 (*still to play Carnifex)
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IainC: 5
Paelos: 1

So proudft needs a victory against Carnifex this week to remain in the hunt.  It's worth noting that Carnifex only clinches a spot with a win, not a tie.  NOBODY has clinched a spot yet, even one of Carnifex/Ingmar/Comstar could wind up in the Failoffs!

The tiebreakers this year are Head to Head, then TD Difference, then TD For.  We didn't specify what happens in a 3-way tie, but I'd expect any 3-way tie to ignore H2H and start with TD Diff (that is up to Falc in the end).

Day 7 is:
Ingmar vs Carnifex
Comstar vs Celer
proudft vs Sjofn
IainC vs Paelos

There are way too many options here for my primitive caveman mind to map out.  For 5 teams, it's "win and you're in", but most of them can also tie/lose and still make it in with some help.  Some notes:

• The winner of Ingmar/Carnifex is in, but the loser can still make it in if he's lucky.  A tie guarantees nothing either way (though Carnifex would have the tiebreaker, so I guess he's pretty safe there).
• If Comstar wins or ties, he's in; a loss and he can still take the 4th spot with a Sjofn loss.
• If proudft wins this week and beats Sjofn, the best he can do is end up in a 3-way tie with Celer and Sjofn for the fourth spot.  He would need to make up at least a 5 TD diff (over 2 games) to win that tiebreaker.
• If Sjofn wins, she is in (as she has the tiebreaker over Celer).  If she loses, she needs a Celer loss (and no proudft 3-way tie scenario) to make it in.  A tie guarantees nothing.
• If Celer wins, he is in (as he'd be ahead of Carnifex and/or Ingmar).  A loss and he's out (barring the 3-way proudft tie scenario).  A tie guarantees nothing.

This is no doubt the most complicated and exciting Division we've ever had so far. That's definitely an achievement. I wish I could bet real money on this, seriously.

I'm sure all the failoffs people are hoping it's me that ultimately fails.  :why_so_serious:

For some extra motivation: the lucky winner of the fourth spot gets to face Fillmore/Truman and the rest of the Presidents.  Whether that is motivation to win or to lose is up to you!

I nominate Ingmar to fight you for title of the biggest baddest bashiest team in the league  :drill:

Unfortunately I don't have access to claw... until they add Chaos Dwarves as rumored in 2012.  :drill:

Personally, I'm awaiting the bloodsplosion, and the inevitable tears which'll fountain out once one (or hopefully both) bash teams annihilate one another.

Ingmar is my kryptonite lately.  Our first couple of meetings were victories for me, but I've had a string of losses against him beginning with those damned Khemri in the D&M tourney and final.  If it's between us I'm sure a lot of fur and beards would fly.

I don't think there would be tears! Blood/ichor for sure, but I don't think either of us are inclined to be complainers. I am pretty sure I would be at a disadvantage in that match, developed Chaos (or Nurgle I guess) is about the worst matchup there is for dwarves really.

The one I'd like another shot at is Andy, our match last playoffs was very close.

Yeah, no tears from me.  All is fair in love and Blood Bowl.

If the Presidents were destroyed I'd still be able to look back on two pretty amazing seasons, and possibly a perfect regular season if I can manage to beat Drogg.  That's enough for me; anything else is gravy.  I imagine Ingmar feels the same about Beardstorm.  I would still do my best to have Millard Fillmore drink blood from Beardstorms' skulls though.

Ditto on the Andydavo thing.  My match wasn't as close, but I've gotten better since then and so has my team.

Ichorrrrrrrr.

My teams gotten a wee bit better too...

Actually to the point i'd possibly like to keep them next season. For just one more season. Then I think i'll reroll to Amazons/Vampires/Goblins/Khemri/Chaos/Nurgle/Pro Elves. Or maybe flings, just for comical value! It would all depend on if swappign teams barred my team from ever coming back, I'm getting quite attached to my new bunch of elves...

My understanding of the rules is your team can come back, so long as you don't play it in a non-f13 league.  You can go to matchmaking, but you will have to make the TV 1300 cut off to bring them back if you do.

Your team can come back if you don't play any games at all.

If you do play games they must be in the feeder league, and then they must be 1300 tv I think.

Megrim is now eliminated from the playoffs in our division, Haemish needs a win in the final match to force the tie-breakers, assuming I lose to Lamaros and his slippery rats.

If falc wins against andy I guess I gotta get a result against you, otherwise I would be third. Of course if he wins then a win against you would send me top.

If he draws im second unless I beat you. If he loses I'm second whatever happens.

So at this point it looks like andy falc and I could be playing any of nearly 8 players still...

If I'm not mistaken, unless I really put the boot in on the Vampires, I will lose out in an tiebreaker with avaia on TD difference.

Considering you are two back in TD difference and you need a win and a loss by me...

Not really.   :awesome_for_real:

Well with Battletech decided, I'm either playing a Necro team of doom, a Lizard team (and I've never defeated lizards!) and THEN I get to play a Dwarf team. I very much doubt I'll make the semi-finals.

For some damn reason, I was thinking we were tied on points as of Game Day 6. I am in fact, an idiot and quite wrong.

Bring on the dwarves!  :cthulu:

We will be reenacting the Wildhammer Wedding, in Blood Bowl.

So it looks like it's going to be Amazons vs Amazons for my quarter-final. Falconeer has more guard and slightly more bench, but I have stat increases and he's got stat decreases. Despite both teams having the same positional's, the development is quite different for both. I have tackle.

The  only other game I've played with this team vs Amazons was vs ezrast and it ended in a draw. I predict it's going to go into overtime.

I think you're playing Llyse, not Falc - T2000 #2 vs. Battletech #3.

That's a lot less favourable to me. He has twice as much guard and twice as much tackle as I do. 95% of this team had block/Wrestle, along with half the team having blodge, which even's up my blodge but more players without block.

We have the same amount of St 4 players, but he has the speed advantage with his 2 highly skilled werewolves, but the rest of his team is a lot slower.  He has a niggling injury, I have a -1MV blitzer.

We've played each other 3 three times - a Win, a Loss and a Draw. The game may well also go into overtime.

I'm not sure it is mathematically possible to have twice as much guard as you.  :-P

I'm guessing this is because you've got the Head to Head Ingmar vs Comstar?

Yeah, the playoffs are going to be rough no matter who you get.. Both Comstar and Ingmar are going to be tough but I'd rather the softer, sweeter zons than a Deathroller  :awesome_for_real:

We could still meet in round 2.  :awesome_for_real:

Tie breakers in game are not correct in all cases.

They are in ours though, as you have me on TD difference as we drew our match.

yea i was just about to do a full match up but it takes fuckin ages and i see a few games are not played. I have been rather lucky with my games this season, being able to rack up an impressive TD differencial. I see we are on opposite sides of the draw, we may meet in the final?

You have the seeding for Battletech wrong, Andy, it is:

1: Ingmar
2: Carnifex
3: Comstar
4: Sjofn

The in-game standings don't reflect the fact that we made head-to-head the first tiebreaker.

Heh, and here I was thinking that Carnifex had topped Battletech.

At least I won't be giving Morg away in inducements to all my opponents!  :why_so_serious:

I could totally lose to Avaia (and Morg) in which case you still would be.  :grin:

So is Twilight Hammers final division ranking decided yet?  Until Straz/Ulyssyes/Eld can all play their matches, the final order of Stormbringer has yet to be decided.  I was 1st place walking into the final day, but got a giant square kick to the nuts by nuffle to remind to stay humble.  Depending on how those other matches play out, I'll either come in 2nd or 3rd place in the division, so I'm curious to see who I'm up against.

T2000 is:

1: Ruvaldt
2: Llyse
3: Drogg
4: Bann

I believe.

Cthulhu:

1: Andy
2: Lamaros
3: Falc
4: Avaia

Twilight:

1: Ruvaldt
2: Llyse
3: Drogg
4: Bann

Stormbringer:

1: Strazos (Straz wins) or Ice Cream (Straz doesn't win)
2: Ice Cream (Strazos wins) or Teleku (Straz doesn't win)
3: Teleku (Strazos wins) or Strazos (Straz draws) or Ulysses (Ulysses wins)
4: Ulysses (Strazos draws, Ramas doen't win) or Strazos (Ulysses wins) or Ramas (Ramas wins, Ulysses doesn't win) or Krummi (Ulysses loses, Ramas loses)

TLDR: Ulysses needs at least as draw otherwise Krummi takes him on head to head or Ramas could go past him. Ramas needs a draw and Ulysses lose, or a win and Ulysses draw. Krummi needs both Ramas and Ulysses to lose.

So the matchups are:

UPPERSIDE

Ingmar v Avaia
Llyse v Comstar
Lamaros v Teleku/Strazos/Ulysses
Straz/Ice Cream v Bann

LOWERSIDE

Andy v Ulysses/Strazos/Ramas/Krummi
Ice Cream/Teleku v Drogg
Carnifex v Falc
Ruvaldt v Sjofn

Do we know if the failoffs are the exact same division matchups just using 5-8 instead?

I think so Ingmar.

I'm hoping for:

UPPERSIDE

Ingmar v Avaia (couple of dead Dwarves)
Llyse v Comstar
Lamaros v Ulysses
Ice Cream v Bann (many dead elves)

LOWERSIDE

Andy v Strazos (dead elves)
Teleku v Drogg (dead elves and skinks)
Carnifex v Falc (dead skinks)
Ruvaldt v Sjofn (dead CWs)

THEN:

Ingmar v Llyse (Dead wolves)
Lamaros v Ice Cream
Strazos v Drogg (dead skinks)
Carnifex v Ruvaldt (bruised Lizards)

AND:

Lamaros v Ingmar (haha, dwarf speed)
Drogg v Carnifex

FINALLY:

Lamaros v Carnifex (I hope you brought break tackle)

Of course Straz will probably draw and I'll end up playing him first round and get smashed into the turf, no doubt.

Because I'm terrifying, right? That's why you're hoping I lose after taking out some CWs, right?  :why_so_serious:

I'm thinking this is more Lamaros' dream run to the final rather than anything resembling a realistic prediction.

These are my picks for the semifinalists.

Ingmar/Me  :why_so_serious:
Lamaros

Andy
Ruvaldt

Bring on the PAIN TRAIN  :awesome_for_real:

Actually yeah. You both hit me just as hard, claw means nothing to me. But Piling On and block everywhere and frenzy and more speed? I'll take Chaos, thanks.

That's an odd way to spell Borak.

Oh now, only one guy even has piling on! I'm starting to rack up the mighty blow, though, at long last.

Stupid shitty werewolf needs to start killing some people so he at least gets block though. ><

The MV of his first 11 is 60, and two don't have block.

The MV of your first 11 is 68, and every player bar one has block. You also have frenzy on four players, jump up on your piling on, one more player with MB, and one more with tackle. You have dodge on MV7 players, not MV4 and 5. You're also lower TV.

On paper you're a far worse side to play against. For Skaven anyhow, probably most Elves too.

MV is so overrated.  :grin:

I think MV is my favourite thing in a team. I really enjoy playing my Lizardman team where most of the Saurus' have break tackle (and three have dodge). It's so much fun being able to move most of your team and completely change the game board each turn. (Also Skink BS is nearly as much fun as GR BS).

Yeah, neither elf team in my division liked playing me, I don't think.  :why_so_serious:

So what's the priority that we're using to determine tiebreakers?

Head to head > TD differential > something that will probably never come up that I forget

Pretty sure the 3rd is lowest tv only counting each teams best 11 players.....that sounds weird, but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

That's all automated by the program, correct?

God No.  Falc starts a new league for the playoffs and manually puts everyone into the tournament.  The tiebreakers are a house rule, so sometimes BB will show rankings different to what we have established for the league.  For instance Division 1 is totally wrong on the rankings of the three of us that tied for 1st in the league interface, but Falc will still put us in the right slots when he creates the playoff league.

The third tiebreaker is TDs for, I'm pretty sure, with lowest TV as the final determinant prior to (presumably) a coin toss.

I also want to state that yes, Failoffs pairings follow the same logic of the Playoffs ones.

I'm just tickled pink that folks think I will have an actual impact come playoff time.

The matchups are:

UPPERSIDE

Ingmar v Avaia - Guard and MB with give Ingmar the edge, even though Avaia will have a bundle of inducements.
Llyse v Comstar - Comstar's team just looks too strong on paper. I'm tipping the Amazons.
Lamaros v Ulysses - Will be a strange one. Not sure what is and isn't going to be playing after the last game. No tackle as yet, but a bit of diving tackle. Only five players with block.
Ice Cream v Bann - Only injuries will give Bann the win, and I'm not sure. The MB and Tackle players will be key for Bann. I think it will be tight but I'm picking Bann.

LOWERSIDE

Andy v Strazos - Strazos will have a few inducements, so if can get some early injuries he will have a chance. I have to pick Andy though, his team is good, as is he.
Teleku v Drogg - Another really close one. As with Ice Cream's team Tele depends on the star players and it will probably depend on some early injuries and the like. A bit of diving tackle will help but I dunno it it will be enough. I'm going with Teleku.
Carnifex v Falc - Too much guard for Carnifex, I think the lack of other skills will hurt him. Falc's team is just a mess though! With the inducement and Falc's AV6 players I'm going with Carnifex.
Ruvaldt v Sjofn - Ruvaldt hasn't lost yet, so I'm going with him.