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So Bioware Mythic has a new Warhammer title coming out this year.

Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes (https://wrathofheroes.warhammeronline.com/)

From what I can tell of the very pew pew nature of the video on that page is it's a play for free title like Battlefield Play4Free, but with MMO style combat and maybe pre-genned characters? 3-sided conflicts (6v6v6) PVP style game? I can't even fathom what the fuck this cel-shaded mess is based on the video. I went ahead and signed up for the beta but I think this may actually take the Warhammer Online battlegrounds, pare them down into smaller areas, split the factions into 3, sell cosmetic shit and call it a day. WTF?

Looks terrible.

I'm in.

Looks like reused War assets tossed into a session based game.

Time to email my DAoC/WAR friends and give this a shot.  Looks like it might be fun for a few weeks.

Thanks for the link.

The best idea in the world is to make a game about being bored in the woods with the warhammer license....

So...basically WAR Scenarios are now free to play, ok.

Really that was the best part.
If they can keep the CC under control and use Lol pay model, it'll be awesome.

Edit: Never like that type of shading.  I guess like CO it'll look better in game than screen shot.

So p4f is DOUBLE THE FUN of f2p, right?

Everyone has been telling them for years that t1 scenarios were fun as fuck and the rest of the game sucked, if they got rid of the rest of the game and give us something like the t1 scenarios to play this could be a great game.

This.  Make a Warhammer Team Fortress with a few more abilities ( maybe everyone has a bar of 10 or 12 abilities and thats it) and ton of maps (and hopefully not make an imba f2p store that killed Team Fortress). 

I totally had Spellbinder and Magestorm flashbacks while watching that :drill:  I've wanted to a good clone of Spellbinder to come out for ages.

This has the potential to be massively awesome.  Of course it's by the EA/Bioware/Mythic clusterfuck so who knows. 

This could actually be pretty cool, kind of a DOTA-meets-MMO battleground/arenas kind of thing, has definite potential.

I poo better graphics

They are warhammer graphics pretty much, the game never looked that great imo.

semi serious question: how many XP bars will there be?

serious question: what's the progression model like I wonder for the leaderboard etc?  How much will gear be important?  And if important, will gear be purchasable and will the world end?

modelling after TF2 is a great idea, but I have no faith this will come close.

edit: grammar

Well, where I lurk, the noise has generally been more "why is so much effort being wasted on scenarios when everyone is coming to this game for open RvR" and "if I wanted battlegrounds, I'd play WoW" and most of the praise for T1 was for the RvR areas.

That said, I'd sign up for this, but it asks for my "EA Account."  Is this Origin at work?  I entered the address I used for WAR and it didn't work, nor did the account info I use for Spore, and now I'm worried that if I gen a new account I won't be able to play either.

One of my big complaints of WAR was how scenarios removed people from RvR fields, thinning numbers in RvR so folks could scenario grind.  If they had made a separate 'arena' like game out of them and left scenarios out of WAR, it might have been a baby step in the right direction.  Of course there's a myriad of other things that needed to be changed as well, but it's a start.

Is this scenarios or are they making it into a MOBA?

Hmm at best you would have just removed the illusion of people really wanted to rvr but can't because scenarios are filling up everyone time and we get to the stark reality of "very few people want to rvr and war CC makes scenarios boring".

It makes an EA 'master' account and then you can link the other accounts to it.

Am I getting knocked into lava? Or off a cliff? Or into something horrible?

OR INTO FUCKING LAVA??!?!?!?

Aha, thanks.

That was the best part of WAR.  Of course I may have Ironbreaker bias there.

Seriously I loved Tor Anroc! 

Yeah i was a sword master, aoe knockback bitches.  That was the most fun i ever had playing warhammer.  Which granted ain't saying a whole lot.

If you had a knockback, Tor Anaroc was awesome.  (Especially as a swordmaster.)  If you didn't it sucked.

I remember two Witch Elves jumping me in open RvR in the world location matching Tor Anaroc and I used the lava to ruin their day.  So awesome for me.

Damn stunties and their knockbacks!

I had knockback (Chosen) and I thought Tor Anroc blew goats.

I didn't play their battlegrounds all that often.

I also seemed to be some kind of goddess of war in there.  I remember solo chasing down the murderball dude on their side, with five people beating on me.  I killed him, took the ball, proceeded to kill several of them, then ran it back to my side.  Matches like that probably helped with my perception.

I just want to point out that I'm kinda stoked about this. As far as I can tell it's Warhammer with all the bad stripped out.

It's not Warhammer at all without Paul Barnett   :why_so_serious:

Ditto!

Actually, it looks pretty fun.

I actually miss my Ironbreaker and Engineer.

I might have to give this a look-see.

I miss my shaman and squig herder!  Any idea when this is slated to release?

Your knockback is shit. Seriously shit.

try to follow the conversation

I think he was saying that your knockback was shit so of course you did not understand how totally awesome Tor Anroc was.

I got the point, I just disliked it so much that I preferred to think that he was having trouble following the conversation.

I thought anroc was shit and it has nothing to knockback or lava.

I think later this year.

Thanks.  I need something to play until SWTOR and GW2 come out.  I hope it beats SWTOR by a month. 

I dont like that whole "choose your hero" thing, i want to make my own char.

I do have many fond memories of the first two tiers of BGs playing with f13 folks.  Taz was a bastard and outleveled me, though.  :grin:

So true, I am a bastard.  I hope we can get that going again for GW2.  Maybe SWTOR, but I am not convinced PvP is anything but an after thought.  This game maybe we need more info.

I was hoping LoL would be awesome place to PvP with f13ers but everyone gets so butt hurt when they lose in MOBA.

In mother russia losing means little cart gets pushed up your ass to give credit to the other team. You WILL cry like baby.

Yeah T1 & T2 running around with guild grp was the only way to get things done and have fun at the same time. Even solo, I still had fun as Chosen just sticking in grp and killing real players, not mobs. Round done , that's 3-4 bars of exp filled. I'm happy. Then back to queuing, kill reputation mobs for a nice sword exchange in PQs. ..then repeat.

It had a flow. WAR really kept going for me till T4...T3 was torture because Tor Anroc isn't really that fun even to my Swordmaster. There wasn't anything much to do but get to a bridge, knock people back. Then die to focused fire. T4 was back to Serpent Passage..then hit lvl 40 and quit cause there's nothing else to do.

The issue with the game is lack of progression past T4. And the whole 'take over the enemy capital' bullshit never happened in 2 months I'm subscribed to. While MJacobs kept insisting it was '400 in test servers and FUN' NOTHING is happening in PAID servers. So really, who's BS-ing here?

This Free to PVP add on isn't going to bring me back. There's enough BC2 going on for me to scratch that itch.

I was under the impression that THQ had the exclusive licence for all Warhammer and Warhammer 40k branded games with the sole exception of the fantasy MMO. I'm not sure if (or why) GW would have changed that or whether the terms of the Mythic fantasy MMO licence are loose enough to allow a second game to be produced and this game somehow falls within that definition.

Well if World of Tanks is an MMO, this would be one too. Given the market, I think you could probably pass off almost anything with game matching as an MMO.

You can call anything anything and there are people to ignorant to know the difference.

However I wouldn't expect those people to include THQ or GW's IP lawyers.

We know what we mean when we're counting the number of angels on this pin and I personally don't even think WoW is an MMO anymore, but when you look at the industry and how things are marketed, I don't think you could win in court claiming this wasn't an MMO.

Well sure, but I am almost certain the contract won't say Mythic can make as many MMOs as they feel like, they were licensed for one game only almost certainly. I expect this was probably already negotiated out however.

Anyone seen in good 3-way maps? I never liked any the ones I played in Guild Wars.

3-way maps seems like strange choice since on average people will lose 66% of the time rather than 50%.

In DAoC, the advantage of a 3 way system was that two weaker realms could gang up on the stronger third.  If a particularly strong premade gains a reputation in this game, I could see the other two teams working on it first.  In other words, it opens up all kinds of strategy options.

Except that in reality that didn't happen that often.  Usually it was the 2 strongest realms ganging up on the weakest.

It's as if we played a totally different game.  I enjoyed the extra strategy and gameplay that having three sides brought to the table.  It kept me playing the game for over 5 years. 

Different servers did different things.  Those were good days...before they merged everything into just one multi-phased server...

Ok, but is that relevant to 6v6v6 Scenerios? (in WAR parlance)

It was true in 8v8v8 when I played.  The major difference was that the servers were small enough that we all knew eachother.  I imagine that this will be much larger and far more random... meaning that most people playing will just tab target the closest thing and start facerolling their macros. 

They're going to have to do a lot to reward aggressive play, since any time 2 people fight they're just handing the advantage to the third team.

I could envision maps with two control points (one team always attacking, two defending), king of the hill (two teams attcking the third), or some type of object running game. 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed having 3 realms in DAOC and think it was ultimately a good thing.  But the pipe-dream of "the 2 weaker realms will (as a whole) gang up on the string realm" didn't always pan out.  Only competitive type of players really care about that, the zerg just wants to roll over shit, and the easiest way to do that is to join up with the strongest realm.

I was in a good 8 man.  We had our fun by killing the zergs. I think that's why I enjoyed playing Mid so much.  We always had tons of Hibs and Albs to kill. Ah the days of Stungaard and the 1 min mez  :grin:

Seers were the most broken thing in 8 man PvP. Not even Enchanters who debuffed their own damage type or Sorcerors with their longer range mezz could make up for the level of cheese a Pac/Mend/Shaman triplet could add to the utility of a Mid 8 man.

For your viewing pleasure, some video with WHOWOH related content, mostly Paul Barnett and Carrie Gouskos.

http://www.giantbomb.com/pax-prime-2011-the-giant-bomb-panel-part-2/17-4792/

Khaine's Embrace was my favorite of the T1 scenarios -- loved the countdown and nuke-bubble explosion...

I've discovered the mathematical solution to the equation of how many words Paul Barnett can say before I want to stab him in the dickhole.

f(x) = 0?

"WHOWOH: A Paul Barnett Production Joint"

pass

Is Madea in that?

Playing in the sneak peak/beta test thing this evening.  Only one map available, and there's not much implemented, yet.  So far, I think I prefer the bgs in WAR, but we'll see once they get more systems implemented. 

Fuck, i completely fucking forgot.

Woot I summoned him!

There's something likeable about Gerstmann, I'd love to have a beer with him and talk games.  Gaming's Roger Ebert?
Oh and I want to nail Carrie Gouskos and Paul is his usual "Paulness".  His rambling on this panel was him trying to keep his egomania and douchebaginess down.  He failed.

Watching that I've realised that one of his most endearing features is that the moment anyone else starts talking he immediately starts a whispered conversation with the guy on his right. Even when he's being interrupted he does it.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone so averse to listening to other people.

E: another highlight was from Carrie at 9.20. "Paul made me come."

I don't know how two people associated with such a failure of a game (WAR) can continue to be so arrogant.  The just need to make the game and let it do the talking for them.  If it is a success, plenty of people will sing their praises for them.

What are you expecting from 2 PR guys at a gaming convention? "Sorry our last game kind of sucked guys, but we can do better this time, we promise. Please give us your moniez."

Played the beta this weekend as well. It's very early days and covered by an NDA or I'd tell you more.

Can you mention if you played it longer than 20 minutes?  :grin:

Did WAR ever stabilize?  I won't ask if it recovered. 

I actually played about an hour on Friday and 30 minutes on Saturday. I will hesitate to play again until they add more stuff though.

This could be awesome, but I don't like five skills only.  That seems pretty limiting.  Also, there should be a loot roll at the end- chance at a slight gear upgrade or an ultra-rare item once in a blue moon (or better from the corp. point of view, a token for a rare item that could be redeemed with money).  That would keep people hooked.

*edit* snarky things about lifestyles..... that mean squat at the end of the...

back to the game...    I hope something happy comes out of this... but  no... no... I don't believe that shall happen...

Going 6v6v6 could be fun, and it looks very easy to get started on (pre-set chars, abilities etc). I do worry however, that the drawback will be that it's just as easy to leave behind again. I would imagine you'd need something to keep retention going; something to scratch the old hoarder itch.

I would like to see a game that:

• Lets you roll your own chars; Invest some time in them. I appreciate that they want people to get into action near-instantly, but this could be just as easily be done by picking classes instead of fully fledged characters.
• Gives the players a larger area to roam. Doesn't have to be instead of the battleground, but it could be fun to see them aiming a bit higher and create a 30v30v30 zone going with keeps and towers to claim. DAOC's Cathal (http://www.tekener.de/maps/large/165.jpg) or Molvik (http://www.valmerwolf.com/mappe/BG/bg-molvik.jpg) zones spring to mind.
• Allows you to pick your class skills from a skill tree of a sorts instead of everybody being the same. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but from what I understand it only has 4? pre-set skills per character

5

Speedbrusher, based on this being a F2P game, those things you ask for are never going to happen. That would be akin to admitting that Warhammer Online the MMOG sucks monkey ass, was a complete failure and needs to be replaced. While true, that's not going to make them money. This MIGHT make them money.

I don't know about that

As I see it, they're using some of their current tech to create a 6v6v6 MOBA, and server instance limitations aside, it must be almost as easy to open up for larger areas. I'm not asking for any pve content, quests or anything...

Anyway, I do hope they can cash in on this, as I would like to see more takes on 3-faction pvp/rvr games.

My point is, if they add 30v30v30 big areas in a F2P game, without the need for leveling or a subscription, why would anyone continue to play such a shitty game as Warhammer Online?

There's already zero reason to be playing Warhammer online, i don't think this would make any difference at this point.

I just got in to the beta for a weekend test, but the testing periods it will be open are awfully short and non-Pacific time friendly:

Friday 10 am - noon Eastern (yeah I bet they get so much good feedback from this one especially  :oh_i_see:)
Friday 7 pm - 9 pm Eastern
Saturday 1 pm - 5pm Eastern

Be better if they didn't allow character creation except maybe skin and color changes.  That way you could add things like skaven or beastman heroes and only have to worry about the balance of their kit.  In other words, I hope they go full action RTS or TF2 and utilize all of Warhammer this time.

Got into the beta, saw the testing times, deleted the installer. Never looking back.

Filed under: Will Never Play.

I just don't have time for these sort of shenanigans these days.

Yeah, I got in and haven't bothered to install it due to the testing times.  It's almost like they don't want people to actually try it.

Yeah, the restricted testing times certainly aren't making me care much to test it.

I haven't gotten in, but in a game focused on PvP with a small number (assumed) of testers, isn't funneling everyone into the game at roughly the same time one of the only ways to get some PvP testing time in? Who wants to log in only to find a few people on at any given time, or to sit around in a battle queue for 20-30 minutes?

Other thought:
If mass PvP in any MMO were limited to specific times or "event windows" -- such as triggering an invasion of the other faction's lands, kind of at the pace of Rift's various zone invasions -- might more people join in simply because of the window of opportunity?

Yeah, i guess they don't have enough players in beta to have an always on kinda thing going when ALL you have are battlegrounds.

While that's probably true, the times they're actually picking are completely retarded.

Here, to put this in perspective:

Thurs. Sept. 22nd 4PM-6PM EDT
Fri. Sept. 23rd 10AM-12PM EDT
Fri. Sept. 23rd 7PM-9PM EDT
Sat. Sept. 24th 1PM-5PM EDT
Sun. Sept. 25th 5AM-5PM EDT

First three are 2 hours windows that are mostly a fuck you to anyone on the west coast.  Saturday one is almost okay, but still falls in a time period where I'm usually not playing games, and the sunday one is just a big huge wtf of a time range.

This is actually pretty fun.

The question I'm wondering is "for how long"?

I guess at F2P it doesn't matter. 

ITT people bitch about the specific times they can play an incomplete game for free, despite the fact the times are at least in a country relevant to those times.

In summary, Mythic's knees are too sharp.

They should expand this out to a PvE game.  :awesome_for_real:

I've been in the beta for almost a month now, haven't been able to play a session yet.  It would help if they had a set schedule instead of seemingly random times and durations.

Yes, because we couldn't possibly want to give feedback so the game ends up not being shit, am I right?

Newest schedule:

Thurs. Sept. 29th
4PM-6PM EDT (8PM-10PM UTC)
Fri. Sept. 30th
10AM-9PM EDT (2PM-1AM UTC)
Sat. Oct. 1st
1PM-5PM EDT (5PM-9PM UTC)
Sun. Oct. 2nd
NO TESTING

 :awesome_for_real:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TotalHalibut?feature=g-u#p/u/0/mDfPe8haloA

Total Biscuit did a first impressions, it looks pretty amazingly bland and uninteresting.

It's grinding battlegrounds without the one and only reward for grinding battlegrounds, character progress.

Yeah that looks pretty shit. Also: way to completely ignore what people enjoyed about WAR (big keep battles, sadly probably impossible now) AND split your game's 20k remaining subscribers!

Five buttons? Five abilities?  Really?  If they don't make up for this with tactics, the game will become boring in a pretty big hurry.

The game IS boring, the five abilities has nothing to do with it and actually i considered that a plus.  Games already have way too many barely different abilities, five is about the perfect number.  The problem is it is straight up battleground grinding with absolutely nothing to show for it.

How is this any different from Battlefield Heros?  That game is making money as F2P with microtrans if I recall correctly.

What he said. I've tried to get into it in the beta but goddamn, it just doesn't feel very interesting. Even with summoner/account progression, I just have no investment in the game. The characters are different but the gameplay is so derpy jumpy quicky that I never feel very invested in the matches.

MMO combat is not fun enough to stand on its own as the sole source of entertainment, FPS combat on the other hand is.  If the combat was more DCUO and less WoW it might have been ok.

Having watched the Total Biscuit review, I would have to say he's pretty much spot on. There's just not enough fun, skill or effort required to make the game worth playing.

Total Biscuit is dead on.  Battlegrounds were one of three redeeming features in WAR, and now they've managed to screw even that up.  It's actually rather shocking the extent to which they have no damn clue what made WAR fun, as little as there was to be had.

Last weekend, I tried it yet again. playing the Dwarf Engineer.  I was doing a whopping 28 damage per, with my basic attack.  My turret was largely useless, as by the time I'd put it down, the fight had moved elsewhere.  Playing BG's with my Engineer in WAR was fun as hell.  I had a blast chucking grenades all over, blasting squishies, and whatnot.  I didn't even have something resembling something that might be moving in the general direction of fun playing the Engineer in WoH.  That's ignoring the lack of any sort of character progression, and little to no player progression.  It's just a clusterfuck from start to finish.

At this point, the only reason I can see this making it out of the gate is because it's cannibalizing existing systems, and art assets.

Yeah, the CONCEPT of taking Warhammer Online Battlegrounds and grafting a MOBA-style transaction engine on top sounds like money hats. Very little art assets required, the engine just needs modification instead of wholesale creation, and the lore/story bits are almost all written. It ought to be a goddamn money factory.

That's what makes it so disappointing. It's simply NOT FUN. The combat is actually too fast for the abilities they've used, the engine looks dated and assy and it doesn't feel like anything I do matters a fuck. I was severely disappointed with Battlefield Heroes and that beats the pants off of this.

I think it's possible for something like this to be good.  But you need Guild Wars type skills.  Interesting, non-spammy abilities that can be used in tactically significantly ways.  This clearly did not go that route.

I don't know, I sorta kinda had high hopes for this as it is exactly what I enjoyed most for the last 6 months of my WoW subscription: logging in and doing BGs and Arenas with a few friends of mine. Nothing else. And I figure there is quite a few similar wired people out there. There just has to be some kind of progression to it.
Maybe trying to do it a bit more DotA-esque with levels and skillpoints/equipment. Add builds to it. Like you still have 5 slots but you can choose out of 15 skills and then level those. I don't know, I just really wanted this to be good...

Sadly, I don't think this ever reached even the intention of "let's make a good game". It was more like an EA exec came up and said, "you need to do something, anything to monetize the husk of WAR".

Yeah I played for a while last weekend, it was dull.

There's like 18 different characters - most of which are completely the same in terms of gameplay. The skills go something like: a damage attack, an attack that does slightly more damage on a timer, an ability that makes your damage attacks do marginally more damage, an ae damage attack and a damage attack with damage over time.

Uh.

Aaaaaand shit-canned.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/27/warhammer-online-wrath-of-heroes-sunsets-next-month/

I don't think anyone could have predicted this result.

I knew the game was fucked when it took the second worst of the WAR battlegrounds (Mourkain Temple) and made it their only map for the early beta. The game just had no depth to last and was really WAR PVP with all the good AND bad parts removed. It was a castrated game system.

It was just a money grab, they tried to copy Turbine who turned DDO around somehow, only the I think Turbine was still Turbine at that point while Mythic had already been completely gutted.

I am never, ever going to get over how badly Mythic has bungled everything regarding this IP.

Only made worse by how genuinely decent some of it was.

The Tier 1 experience was so excellent I don't understand how they made the game so shitty by halfway through tier 3. I have my theories, but they involve things like making the world PvP too big and spread out, too much landmass, slow leveling to delay the endgame instead of making ranking up the endgame, blah, blah, blah. When the big draw to your game is PvP and you have to hop from place to place to find where it's at, your game fails. Planetside 2 I'm still watching you...

Personally I was amazed about how badly done Tier 1 was. Some of the instanced PvP was fun, but the world PvP (and associated keep flipping) was underdone and the PvE was terrible. If that was the best part of the game, it's no surprise that WAR flopped as badly as it did.

I'll always remember seeing a bear run up a vertical cliff face to attack my character; someone was so against players exploiting pathfinding that they made it ridiculous.

The reason Tier 1 was "the best" was because people actually did open world PvP because it was the best, or at least roughly equal with the others, way to level.  The bottom line was that after that, scenarios were just WAY more efficient in terms of leveling, and so that is all people did.  Then, when people got to Tier 4, you hit the Keep trading meta, where the zergs would just capture each other's Keeps and then run past each other to trade them back.  Most efficient way to get good loot drops.  No one wanted actual confrontation because you didn't get much for it.

The pieces were all there.  The few times I got high level Tier 4 Keep sieges and legitimate fights over zones it was pretty damn cool.  But it almost never happened in practice.

Though I didn't like the game on release I tried it the summer after release when they dropped that Land of the Dead content patch and thought it was a good deal of fun.  They had largely solved the grind issue in t3/t4 with that and I thought the game was a lot of fun with a semi static group to do scenarios and rvr with.

Only really left because they came out with some patch that made all of the endgame revolve around city sieges.  Those were just awful.

I'm still amazed that Warhammer hasn't gone F2P yet.

I hated every single minute of Warhammer. I wanted to like it but there was no way. Horrible combat for my tastes. At the time it was already substantially worse than WoW and Age of Conan, and only slightly better than LotRO. Not enough to care.

But I am curious, since I keep hearing how great the tier 1 experience was for so many people, I'd like to try and understand what I am not understanding. What was supposedly good about it? I mean, for what I can remember it was just battlegrounds (arenas) right? What am I missing? The fact that everyone was low level and with only a handful of character skills so with lots of room for player skills? The fact that the maps were supposedly very good? Character interactions leading to outstanding teamplay?

I liked T1 WAR because I was in an unstoppable trio: two AoEing Sorcs and whatever the Chaos healer was. We rushed Lighthouse then literally corpse camped their graveyard the entire game; the ridiculously overpowered AOEs combined with unlimited in-combat rezzing was awesome. The only time they scored more than a few points were when their whole team made it to the center base (I keep wanting to call it Blacksmith but that's Arathi from WoW) then took our starting one.

WAR also had a lot of things going for it; it came out two months before WotLK so standard late-expansion burnout had most of my playgroup itching for something new. PVP began immediately (instead of making you wait until level 20 which I think was the min in WoW at the time) and gave good XP (again, compared to WoW), making scenarios viable as a leveling path. The early tier maps were also smaller than their WoW counterparts which meant getting into the action faster; queues were also quick but that might just have been my server/faction. It was basically WoW Battlegrounds but improved in a lot of ways and accessible from level 1.

By the mids 20s, however, a lot of things started to fall apart (which have been discussed to death here and elsewhere), then LK came out and we all went back to WoW.

It's got what? One active server left? I'm surprised that WAR hasn't been fully shut down yet. F2P was an option a long time ago, but Wrath of Heroes came out instead.

If the way EA seems to be benchmarking success these days, I'll be surprised if Mythic makes it out of the year.

I didn't like WAR on release and didn't even play out the 30 days, but I came back after the Land of the Dead content patch and liked it quite a bit.  That solved the xp grind issue in t3/t4, and the game was a good deal of fun if you had a semi-static group of people to run rvr and scenarios with.  It was also casual enough that I could play it unguilded without joining a guild of people recycling lines that aired on Chappelle's Show five years prior.

Unfortunately they came out with that patch which put the focus of t4 almost entirely on city sieges and that just killed my interest in the game.  Those were just terrible especially when you were defending all the time (I was on an order dominated server).  I roleplayed my zealot and chosen as conscientious objectors against shitty game design by not showing up in the hopes that Order would wipe our city faster so we could get back to the fun bits, but unfortunately most people didn't follow suit.

It's really a shame, from the beginning they never had a great game, but they could have had an adequate game had they not had such an obsession with having some sort of convoluted endgame.

FTFY

(http://While players' gems will not be refunded, Mythic is planning to release "work in progress" heroes at a quick pace and discounted rate up to the game's shutdown. Additionally, players who purchased and had gems between the first of the year and today will be [b]treated to a free month subscription and a chest of goodies in WAR[/b].)

 :ye_gods:

Mythic has apparently chosen to not take this past the beta (http://www.pcgamesn.com/warhammer-online-wrath-heroes-servers-close-end-month).  Servers will close at the end of the month.  Which is interesting, but not nearly as interesting as this:


I guess we can look forward to Mythic skating on the coattails of Zynga? 

Um...yeah, we were already discussing that...