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Title: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Sjofn on July 12, 2011, 01:10:30 AM
HERE COME THE NORSE, BITCHES


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Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Falconeer on July 12, 2011, 01:15:57 AM
:ye_gods:  AWE  :ye_gods:

Also, here is how the failoffs will work. Visual grid highly needed.

Groups: Bt, Ct, St, Tw.

5th Bt vs 8th Ct
5th Ct vs 8th St
5th St vs 8th Tw
5th Tw vs 8th Bt
6th Bt vs 7th Ct
6th Ct vs 7th St
6th St vs 7th Tw
6th Tw vs 7th Bt


The playoff grid will be as follow (anyone willing to make a visual version of it is welcome to do so):


Left Side, from top to bottom:

5Bt vs 8Ct

6Tw vs 7Bt

6Ct vs 7St

5St vs 8Tw


Right Side, from top to bottom:

5Ct vs 8St

6St vs 7Tw

6Bt vs 7Ct

5Tw vs 8Bt


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Sjofn on July 12, 2011, 01:18:33 AM
So is it basically going to work like normal playoffs, with the winners advancing and the losers sulking? With the winner of it all being able to sneer that it's better to win the failoffs than come in second in the playoffs?


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Ice Cream Emperor on July 12, 2011, 02:12:28 AM

Thor the Owlbear will surely pilot his spaceship all the way to the finals.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Sjofn on July 12, 2011, 02:24:18 AM
Fuck yeah!  :drillf:


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Falconeer on July 12, 2011, 02:36:10 AM
So is it basically going to work like normal playoffs, with the winners advancing and the losers sulking? With the winner of it all being able to sneer that it's better to win the failoffs than come in second in the playoffs?

That's what the Loser Bowl is all about. Losing by winning.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Sjofn on July 12, 2011, 02:37:15 AM
That didn't clear it up!  :x


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Modern Angel on July 12, 2011, 04:19:54 AM
I'd hope it's just like a normal tournament for people who suck. To see who sucks the least.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: avaia on July 12, 2011, 04:35:30 AM
Necco's swan song!  Tombsnatcher hungers. :eat:


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Der Helm on July 12, 2011, 05:07:34 AM
I was hoping that the losers advance, not the winners. Thereby giving us (well, me) more games.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Modern Angel on July 12, 2011, 05:38:45 AM
Then why wouldn't everyone try to throw games?


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Sir T on July 12, 2011, 06:13:37 AM
To be honest it would be very funny watching them trying to throw games.  :grin:


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Falconeer on July 12, 2011, 06:41:53 AM
The problem is that trying to lose on purpose is very/too easy. It's a fun concept, but hard to put in practice. Also, low AV teams (  :oh_i_see: ) can't even do it in a fun way without crippling themselves for the next season. Trying to "win" the match is, at the same time, the best way to try to survive and take care of your players.

We can't even make special rules, like "only 5 players on the field" or "You have to throw" or "you cannot throw" cause all those things are alawys and only going to favour some teams over others.

I'd say let's enjoy some additional Blood Bowl and buckle up for Season #5! (September, alas...)


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: eldaec on July 12, 2011, 06:53:10 AM
Run it as a swiss pairing tournament with 4 rounds. Everyone gets 4 matches increasingly against equal opposition and at the end you gave a 1-16 ranking useful for future seeding.

In fact, you might as well do the same for the playoffs.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Paelos on July 12, 2011, 07:20:21 AM
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Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: HaemishM on July 12, 2011, 07:22:39 AM
So if I'm reading this right, I'll be faced off against a goddamn NURGLE team?

Fuck me running.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Sky on July 12, 2011, 07:44:01 AM
Best part about the Failoffs: most (all?) of the sauri went to the playoffs!

I think I'm 7Tw, who is 6St?

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Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: eldaec on July 12, 2011, 09:27:05 AM
Run it as a swiss pairing tournament with 4 rounds. Everyone gets 4 matches increasingly against equal opposition and at the end you gave a 1-16 ranking useful for future seeding.

In fact, you might as well do the same for the playoffs.

Just to expand on this.

Have the first round play out as seeded above. Second round, winners play winners, losers play losers. Third and forth round, ties are drawn so that everyone plays someone with the same number of wins.

After four rounds, you'll have 1 winner on 4 wins, 4 players on 3 wins, 6 players on 2 wins, 4 on 1 win, and a wooden spoon champion on zero wins. Ties are normally broken by calculating the average win % of the opponents you've faced (indicating the difficulty of your route to x wins).

As well as getting everyone 4 rounds to play, only one person can finish the season on no wins, and it has all the benefits of both winner advances and loser advances.


I don't mind commissionering this if Falc wants to concentrate on the playoffs.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Paelos on July 12, 2011, 10:01:55 AM
I'm going to looooooooooooooooooooooooose to whoever got 3 wins in BT.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Sky on July 12, 2011, 10:03:02 AM
I like eldaec's idea. Although thanks to goddamned Ironwood, I can't be the one true wooden spoony.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Celer on July 12, 2011, 11:46:33 AM
The Chemical Elvers eagerly await the loser of the final regular season match.  CHOOSE YOUR FATE.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Modern Angel on July 12, 2011, 12:16:09 PM
I don't care how the setup is. I just want to actually play to win, not to see who sucks the most.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Ingmar on July 12, 2011, 12:17:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: avaia on July 12, 2011, 12:29:33 PM
Okay, so what exactly are the tie breakers again?  I don't know if I saw it announced as being any different than last year, so I assume that makes me #5 in my division, since I have one more TD than Gruntle?


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Modern Angel on July 12, 2011, 12:51:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I

This is the goddamned truth.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Falconeer on July 12, 2011, 01:19:02 PM
Sorry everyone, this Failoff will run as "intended". Next Season, we'll see. Eldaec's idea is solid.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Sjofn on July 12, 2011, 03:00:41 PM
My picture up top just made me laugh all over again.  :heart:



I think I am playing Ironwood first? I've never played skaven before.  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Sjofn on July 13, 2011, 02:36:56 PM
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/7%20F1%20Season%207%201st%20legxx.jpg)


FOR PROPER VISUALIZATION


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Ginaz on July 14, 2011, 01:05:43 PM
My team finally has enough block to be competitive to go along with a +5 str Saurus.  I still don't think I'll make it out of the 1st round but I might be able to at least hurt the orcs.  Even though I have 1 fewer wins this season than last season, I got more players to level up, though I do miss my lvl 3 undead Mummy.  If all goes well and I don't lose anyone I might carry this team over to next season.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Ginaz on July 15, 2011, 06:06:41 PM
Looks like I rolled doubles for my Saurus that leveled up.   Should I take +1 str or block?  I already have a +5 str Saurus so I'm leaning towards block.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Comstar on July 15, 2011, 06:17:15 PM
Two 5 ST Sauras? Take the Strength roll!


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Ginaz on July 15, 2011, 06:27:31 PM
Two 5 ST Sauras? Take the Strength roll!

Hmm.  I ended up going with block after reading a few BB articles on the Cyanide site and the BB Tactics site (Coach seems to know what he's talking about).  I was VERY tempted to go with the +1 str, though.


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: avaia on July 15, 2011, 06:57:18 PM
Dauntless block zombies demand +st!


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Llyse on July 16, 2011, 05:25:27 AM
Block is always better for consistency but +1 str is the best for long term build.  :heart:


Title: Re: Season 4 Failoff Speculation
Post by: Ice Cream Emperor on July 16, 2011, 05:59:49 AM

Yeah, that's a pretty big tradeoff for a relatively small increase in short-term consistency. If Sauruses didn't get general skill access it would be a different story -- you almost always want to take Block over +Str on any Big-Guy-esque player -- but Block is just one level away. Of course, already having +str on another Saurus does mitigate it a little, but still.