f13.net

has gone down the tubes.  goodbye.

Mmm k.

It's "site" too.

Edit: As to the actual status of this site, one can argue it's never been that great in the first place. Yah, it seems to be a shadow of what Waterthread once was, but that's to be expected with near complete reader split.

This spat between Joe, his cock, and #hate does little to help us in a community. In fact, it puts us in a tight spot. We either have to choose between a site that's hemmoraging for ideas, hip posters, and gaming content or a site that's run by a bunch of malcontent, holier-than-thou, intellectual elitist, shitheads that are all pining for a job in the industry.  It's like choosing to starve or flogged to death, neither is a pretty option.

I'm a tad sad over this. End result: I now lurk at one place and post at another. All with about now 1/2 of the posts per day.  Perhaps I'll just have to start reading the rest of the fledgling sites that desperately need some sort of user base (but goddamn anuyuser's site is hard on the eyes).

Today my 3 year old knocked her head back into my glasses so hard, while I was tickling her, that they broke - so my sight has gone down the tubes too...

And of course, threads like this help it oh so much. Idiot.

You and your 3 posts will be SO missed, jackass.

Hope you're joking.  Getting my glasses imprinted on my face was one of the more painful things about wearing them.

And what the hell is this about Joe's cock and #hate?  Is there some god-awful soap opera crap going on that I remain blissfully unaware of?

Yes. Apparently, we suck or something.

This site sucks since Lum left.

Don't they all?

So the #hate crowd dislikes Joe?

I miss the quantity of posts here, but that's all I miss.

What exactly got them riled up?

He didn't suck their cocks enough.

They'd probably be able to tell you if they weren't all banned.

I'm just rather tired of this site as I can't post on the gaming fora, despite being an "Acceptable User" on every community incarnation up until this one. So, I'll go to another site where I can post about games without feeling like a pariah or filling in a pointless googletest.

The community feud is damaging, as Rasix said, and neither side is really helping.

Ummm... based on your registration date, you should have just been able to automatically click into acceptable users.

Eh, you have to manually add yourself into the accepted user's group. I wont say how as that might be against the rules or something.

It was hardly against the rules, what with the telling everybody to do that in the first two weeks...

Oh, wait, so you miss Boog?  I mean jesus, if you want someone to insult your intelligence, your beliefs and your mangina for nothing else than the sheer pleasure of doing so, by all means hang around #hate or whichever internet locality serves as the rehab center for people so embittered by "The Industry" that they must suck the life out of others so that they too feel their pain.

http://www.corpnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=151

Not sure if linking to corp is "good manners" but thats the answer. All 15 pages of it.

I'd take Boog and all the hate over newcomers like Atlas anyday... at least he have points to make in between all the insults and cockwaving.

Me I'll just hang around where most of the intelligent posters settles and hope Schild is to busy being siteowner to actually post anything...



Since you're nice enough to care - my glasses are broke and I don't see good without them. My actual eyes are intact (and so is the daughter).

You, sir, have some great fucking avatars.



You're welcome.

Boog was the first poster to make me laugh out loud at Ltm.  It's hard to forget your first.  I suppose Boog's approach is an aquired taste, but at least he insults posters, unequivocally, in the present, rather than tired, overgeneralized swipes at Koreans, be they gamers or not.

I guess I should I clarify: #hate != Corpnews.com. Just like #hate != wt.org. #hate is just one of many small subsets of our wonderful "community".

As to the Corp vs F13 can you really compare Bucky vs Haemish or Gbob vs Snowspinner? And lets not even discuss the assjackery that is reviewing single episodes of crappy tv shows or some vapid broad throwing an uninsightful me too to an overrated flick.

Maybe f13 will wow us with their incredible E3 coverage...then again you may have to go to Corpnews for that too..

anarch..

I'd wail and moan about the collapse of this fine site but I've been contributing fuck all lately and am therefore not helping in anyway, so I shall keep my peace.

But it's still all Schild's fault.

I dated a girl from Jackson, MS once.  I have since come to the conclusion that everyone from that area is inbred.  Thank you for supporting that hypothesis.  Good day.

Sixteen pages.

I was going to post that THIS thread is retarded, then I read the linked thread. The average IQ displayed there is in the low double digits.

They say the politics are so vile in academics because the stakes are so low. I see the same thing here. My summary of the CorpNews thread is "lol f13 is ghey! (Waaah...why did Joe leave us? Sniff.) Did I miss anything?
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There are a lot of stupid things about this site. Stupid TV reviews that nobody cares about or responds to is certainly one of them. (Hint: When the average number of responses for a review is 2 or so that probably means nobody gives a shit about reviews) But reading CorpNews makes me feel a lot better.

The reality is, the #hate attitude is really self-parody at this point. People complain before they even play a game. "Waahh...they took out this feature! (That sucked, broke the game, and I never got a chance to use anyway)"

How can you take people seriously when they are complaining about games, gasp, changing their systems for the better? Or complaining about the player base of a MMORPG. Read these boards, from the assumed perspective of an outsider, and THEN complain about MMORPG fans in earnest.

Edit: I forgot the most important thing.

I've been on sites where the content they were based on died down. (RTS games, fighting games for example) That is NOT the case here. Despite the constant whine from most of the posters here, the MMORPG genre IS envolving, although most people are too wrapped up in their own complaints to realize that.

The dev time for a MMORPG is years, and people expect overnight change. My friend, who worked on FFXI, calls EVERYTHING before WoW/CoH a 1st gen game.

My take on this is that some people are sick of complaining about MMORPGs, and don't know how to express themselves in any other way. On top of that there is the "I've moved on, lets talk about the TV shows I watch" angle.  "Teh hate" is amusing for a few weeks; I don't see how people have put up with it for literally years. It's a one trick pony. I can't blame Joe for moving on. Talking about "The Shield" is a hell of a lot more interesting than yet another "OMG IT HAS LEVELS AND NO PVP AND NO STORY FORGET IT." (Somehow stretched into 10 paragraphs)

There ARE some things worth discussing about MMORPGs, but I'm not sure here or Corpnews is the place or their posters are the people to be having that discussion. They've dug themselves a rut and damn it, they like it! That's the DEFINITION of Waterthread/CorpNews. The rut.

Someone should cache that thread.

There were a few other points, a number had to do with the current location of Joe's balls.  Then there was some Us vs. Them bashing (Us people on this site are better than Them vaultards on the other site).  There was some speculation on relativity of certain people, as relevant to Schilds rise to power.  Finally some of the graphic designer types had some opinions of this site's layout/design.  I think that's about it.

The plus side is that I now know where to go for ATITD info.

One final thing: When did colored scroll bars become so popular?

Equally important to the average response is the number of views a thread gets.

The threads have a pretty good, though not great, readership - two notable exceptions that I see, but largely, even the threads which no one posted in got 50-70+ reads. And, in fact, many did better than the thread for the Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes review, despite the site ostensibly being a gaming site.

It seems to me that the television reviews, while not the most popular aspect of the site, at least generate an appreciable number of reads. It's just that there's not a hell of a lot to comment on in a review, since the site doesn't have any shows that everybody watches - so there's not likely to be a lot to debate as such.

1978

[quote="Snowspinner]
It seems to me that the television reviews, while not the most popular aspect of the site, at least generate an appreciable number of reads. [/quote]

I've clicked on a few myself, but I will stop. Mostly it was just the novelty...ooh, a TV review with "teh hate."

As far as number of views go, the TV reviews average way way less than anything else. I suspect a thread called "click here to read thread" would generate similar numbers.
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It might make more sense at least to identify shows people are interested in and get reviews from people familiar with the show, or review pilots or something like that. Not "last night I watched a random episode of this show and it sucked! LOL"

The television reviews are also not organic to the current site audience.

But we are trying to expand the site's audience, because, frankly, the Lum community has dwindled over the past two and a half years of diaspora, and will go away eventually.

As has been stated before, the site needed toe volve. It's not possible to pull in new readers without content. So one expects that the content would precede the readers.

After all, there was a time when that "geek news" thing wasn't exactly popular either.

Does that include me too?

No, your last name is scottish.   You're ok.

A thread on WT about a thread on Corp about WT.  Its like we're sucking our own cock, without the happy ending.

so they went to corpnews, eh?

Well I'll take the active asinine community over the inactive bland community. You know joe, many of us would have been willing to continue the waterthread boards and pay for the hosting ourselves. Would have been a better resolution.

anyway, free, free at last.

I guess that just means I'm a sheepfucker.

Kilt is from an old Scottish word meaning "quick draw" =P

Actually old scottish is formally known as "gay lick".

So just to bring this topic back on some form of on-topic-ness, or as much as it can be...

What's so wrong with just reading and posting at the site(s) you like and not being drama queens about someone's perceived change in focus?

You don't get to be a drama queen.

It shouldn't be surprising that people proud of the fact they vomit up moronic hate are vomitting up more of the same. For some people being a moronic hatemonger is a badge of honor. "Teh hate" may have a different target but it's the same thing. It's just another form of the same petty stupidity.

Complaining...................admit it or not but it has its place.  a lot of people are saying cry more n00b and all that but are not seeing that they in other circumstances would complain themselves, lets say EQ suddenly made they're mmog about rainbows and ponies and collecting chocolate bars, the players now would complain....do they have the right? it is EQ's game they can do whatever the hell they want.  or what if 24 was suddenly about a retarded hispanic mother of 4 in a wheelchair fighting crime instead of jack? of course people would complain.


when someone whines and says "im taking my ball and going home, you suxx0r now"  dont be the guy telling him it's joe ball or that he's a pussy.  be the guy telling him why this site is good as it and that he's an idiot for not seeing it.

i see a lot of knocking someone down for their opinions but not a lot of telling them they're wrong, just that they shouldnt have bothered speaking.

if you wanna bring the hate here too have at but perhaps i was under the mistaken impression that the move to f13 was to leave teh hate behind.

You weren't mistaken. But 'teh hate' != #hate, that's just coincedence. The last thing we wanted was the little pissing contest we ended up with. But that's life or something.

Excuse me if I'm reading this wrongly - actually, don't excuse me, as your extremely sloppy writing leaves numerous ambiguities - but are you pooh-poohing the h8 boiz for being sceptical of game changes on an a priori basis, then going on to make the same prejudicial exclamations yourself, only from a positive point of view?

Surely not.



Your friend is simply incorrect. Surely an advocate of "envolution" such as your good self would be able to recognise that the "Next Big Thing" is not the first step up the evolutionary ladder?

Seriously. Take a beginner's logic class then try again.

And why the suddent Scot-fetish, Kenrick? It's most unbecoming.

Ok I'm breaking my sacred pact here and replying.  I'll leave the obvious stupid flames about being from Mississippi out, I allow everyone to show their ignorance at least once before I write them off completely.   First off, I started lurking at the waterthread forums and thought to myself that it may be some individuals here with similar interests and some interesting points of view.  I have enjoyed PC gaming and MMORPGS for many years and I liked something a little more thought provking than the usual VN board drivel.  I think I somehow wound up here from a link on the old VN Shadowbane board.  I have no association with anyone here other than this board, never gamed with them, drank beer, sat and chat or anything else.  That worked for awhile till the move.  Just casually glancing through these forums now reveals no identity, no nothing really just some forums on a random SITE on the internet, same as 999999 others.   I understand the need to be leet, cool, profitable, or whatever floats this site's owners boat is his and his only to make but it just seemed a shame to watch that community fall by the wayside and morph into this thing that should not be.

heh

Both forums suck about the same.   Until Haemish starts sending me a newletter with his always enjoyable Hunter S. Thompson-esque writings, I'll lurk here.  I'll keep checking Corpnews, though, just in case Lum does something.  Maybe I can convince him to move into my basement.  I will consider the extra mouse clicks as part of my daily workout routine.
I need the exercise.

Where did I make those exclamations exactly? Oh, nowhere.

I will be less obtuse. A specific example is when CoH restricted the characters to certain archetypes. There is every reason to believe this made the game better. It didn't make the peachy vision of it better, but it made the actual game better. Yeah, it's cool to choose any collection of powers, but NOBODY thought it worked, including the game's creators.

I'll form my opinions based on actual experience or at least second hand info. People complain about auto-attack point-and-click combat, CoH changes that. People complain about camping the same spot for hours to level, WoW changes that. I don't know how good the games will end up being, but those are certianly positive expects, or at least differences.

In the CoH character-creation case they had something working that they spent time on and was popular (among people who had not experience it firsthand) and they REMOVED it knowing it would create some negative vibes. Their reason? To make the game more "fun." Odd concept. They took out a feature they knew was popular among the know-nothings, because they wanted, you know, actual enjoyment in the end product.

I'd like to have you quote some place where I spout some rampant fanboyism. Maybe WoW and CoH will suck, but at least in some different ways. At the least you can give them credit for identifying some problems and trying to address them.





Thanks, I'll make sure to let him know. How long do you think FFXI was in the planning stages for? (Actually I might have lied, I think he considers SWG a 2nd gen game also.)

His point was that the people who launched the first reasonably successful first-gen MMORPGs are just now working/finishing their next products. From what I understand CoH has some ex-EQ guys, then there are the more well-known ex-EQ guys working on Sigil or whatever...and Raph on SWG.

People tend not to learn from other's mistakes nearly as much as they learn from their own. Experience isn't a group commodity that just flows around in the Ether, it's largely personal. The number of people who have been around the block twice is still very low. Nobody at Square (or few anyway), for example, had ever worked on a MMORPG before. The original ideas for FFXI starting brewing months after EQ came out.

When game development cycles are three or more years, how many generations do you think you'll see in about 6 years?

LACK OF Infantile angst, bullying around with mod powers,  and constant warring over facts rather than ideas is why I was begining to enjoi the water13 metamorphasis.  schild doesn't bother me that much. (because ignoring him is easy, a mountain easier than ignoring boogerman ffs).

I like haemish's articles. I don't think he is stating the COMPLETELY obvious with each article.  I find them very insightful. Then, I also have to ask WHERE THE BUTTFUMBLEDUCK IS EVERYONE? I also must take in the fact that I tend to think the sky is green where most burnt out ex lummers think it is blue.

Despite predicting this site would collapse eventually due to the arrogance of the people who inhabit it, I'll give it many more months before running off somewhere else. And if someone gives a thumbs up to a site that isn't filled to the brim with the assholes I avoided like the plague when they still trolled here, I'll probably try that too.

looks like more amusement than John Tesh jumping off of a plane with no parachute.

edit

If only it would fucking load.

I dunno, it started as a random joke, then turned into a running retarded series of posts when someone said something about goat-loving.  That, and I spent 6 months in scotland last year.

Anyway, back on topic.  The whiny, bitchy, drama queen condition of many people in the mmog community shouldn't surprise anyone.  Like it or not, thanks to the likes of EQ and the powers that be, our community has been overrun by immature, whiny, acne-faced, angst-ridden boys.  So it must be concluded that anyone in our community who is not a little whiny drama queen fuck is in the minority.  Thankfully, this site seems to be geared toward that minority.

Edit:  Just noticed youre a scot, nach0.  I lived in Edinburgh the majority of the time, working at one of those damn Edinburgh Woollen Mill stores.  Great experience overall, though.  Had a great weeklong tour of the highlands with the HAGGiS company.  I miss scotland greatly.

Edinburgh. Bah!  You might as well be English.  

We'll be in Glasgow this summer visiting Righ's family (they're actually in Dunoon).  Since Nach0 is so close by, we should get together for a meal or a drink.  Or both.  Being in the US these last 3 years, I know Righ could murder a good curry.

Glasgow, bleh!  You might as well go live in Detroit.  I bet they're bloody Rangers fans too.

(http://www.ananova.com/images/web/71438.jpg)

WTF is the problem?  The very presence of movie reviews causes you to break out in a rash?  Do you have a personal vendetta against the letter "f" or the number "13"?  Are you on the "I hate Schild" bandwagon?  Honestly, if Schild has ever acted like an ass, its never risen above the level of fucktard noise present on any gaming site ever made.

They look gay-lick to me. ;)

Isn't that just a remake of the MGS1 for the GameCube??

What is there to say about a game that you've beaten several times already being ported to a platform that probably won't even outlast the PSone???

"Uh, the graphics look better".

Bring the noise.
Cheers..............

Things like this certainly don't help the community.  There aren't that many of us, and we were pretty inbred already.

You're making my Inner Scot jealous.

Signe, get in on the COH beta, damnit! And bring Righ with you. It ain't got PVP, but it does have fun.

BTW, we (being me as a writer at F13) didn't start the pissing match, and frankly, I can't understand it. I like most of the guys at Corp, including the idiot posters, the good posters and the writers, and still cannot figure out for the life of me why their panties are in a bunch.

I think that a lot of people were pissed off when they suddenly couldn't post here the other day (look at how many posts over there are from that date and later).

Are you saying all this could have been avoided by proper use of the <blink> tag?

See and I was thinking the same thing about this site as well.

I CAN say that moderation practices, and stealth editing/deleting of posts is part of the problem since the change to F13. As a rule, on any forum, you lock things that aren't supposed to be discussed, because deleting the comments or threads altogether is equal to silencing people, and censorship, both of which lead to more complaints, more deletions in a vicious cycle.
(previous paragraph is perfect example of something that would disappear, yet shouldn't)

I think the biggest problem in dealing with this was the immdiate destruction of the previous archives, and many threads that people were following, and the people who had maybe discussed this with Joe were the most angered (and whose posts disappeared the quickest).

I can say I have little interest in the TV articles, and don't even turn my TV on except occasionally in the AM for news.

 

Illustration(s), please? And who are all these people that are getting banned?

 

Of course, lots of people were getting bug-eyed and jaw-dropped over the fact that they couldn't bawl over Pippy Longstocking's little 'mishap'.

Actually, the old stories, the ongoing conversations, and the sheer battles that would erupt between one stalwart boob and another- all being thrown to the Pit of Acheron has made many punch holes into walls.

It still wreaks of pack/flock mentality to me. 18 leave, another 36 leave because they think the site is shit without the original 18, wash rinse and do it again. Empty as a river filled with dioxins. Funny, all those dropkick generalisations have come along for the ride. Sad too, most of the new flock wants to burn what is left of WT to the ground.


Ditto. You'd think pulling the good ol 'book talk!' card would be an instant win. Instead...

Hey... I have an idea.  Why don't the people from f13 and the people from corpnews merge and form one big board together?  Clever is my forte.

Anyway... I'm off to see if I can dig up a copy of this wretched sounding comic book MMOG at the local Bestbuy.  Please don't wish me luck.

I live five minutes from the Dunoon Ferry. My father went to grammar school there.

I'm definitley up for going for a drink. I'll be in Texas for much of this summer. PM me your dates of travel and I'll check my calendar.

Hartson (the white one) is Welsh; Larsson is a Swede.

I'm neither a Rangers nor a Celtic fan. I could care less about the Old Firm. Too much religious bigotry.

I'm not orange, I'm not green, I SUPPORT MY LOCAL TEAM!



Greenock Morton FC - Pride of the Clyde :)

Edit: Also, what do you mean by the Glasgow comment? Being a student of the University of Glasgow, I have a vested interest :)

Except for the "beaten" part, that about describes every MMORPG in existence.

I'm jealous actually. Maybe I should post a DVD review or two and get some people I don't know hating me because I'm some runoff of Joe "betraying the community".

As for Corpnews, I didn't know what it was until today. Pretty strange. They don't seem to have any legitimate gripes outside of "WTF I DIDN'T GET TO KEEP MY POSTS", "JOE JUST WANTED TO MAKE MONEY ON THE SITE", and "I HATE SCHILD".

The first one is stupid, the second isn't true, and the third is a pretty fucking petty reason. I wasn't looking at the forums for the whole link deleting thing, but I haven't seen anything deleted since. Most of the people bitching there mentioned that they got themselves banned on purpose.

Yeah.  Seems kinda dumb.

Lot of names I have heard referenced in their thread though.

I only hated schild for his moronic CoH comments he was making when he knew nothing at all about the game.  He has come around though and is rather tolerable now.  Grudge slipping away...

Eh, I'm sure Glasgow is just as fine a place to live as edinburgh, I'm just biased.  Glasgow just seems a little dirtier (not saying edinburgh is Eden) and a whole lot more big/crowded.  Anywhoo, neither of them hold a candle to Austin in the long run.  :)

The reason f13 sucks is that it is not wt.o.

wt.o was good. LtM will never come again, but wt.o was fucking GOOD. I have been lurking among the diaspora for a few years now, and the forums there were better than anything this community has produced since snd went away. Lots of insight, lots of debate, lots of Boogaleeboo telling people to go fuck themselves. GOOD. I read it enough that I was actually motivated to register.

Then, one day, this great forum disappears. I am not privy to whatever drama is happening behind the scenes, nor do I particularly care. All I know is that the best gaming forum in existence just went away. There is no good reason for it. Money problems? Any one of wt.o's readers would have gladly stepped up and paid all costs associated with the site. General apathy? Hand it over to someone else. No one cared about the fucking front page anyway. No one cares about it now, either, no matter how many piece-of-shit reviews get posted.

When this sorry replacement went up, I prayed that it would be the same. Or maybe even half as good. It's not. Many of the names that I enjoyed reading posts from are missing. People not named SirBruce got banned left and right. The site changed from the home of a solid little community to the home of a third of that community, plus a lot of fucktards, plus some movie reviews. I officially gave up on f13 becoming what wt.o was when I read a mod post to the effect of "I don't know who this Lum character is".

To sum up: wt.o was good. And now this shit has taken its place. Fuck you, Joe. Fuck you, Schild. And fuck anyone else who took part in killing what was probably the last great site that this community will ever create.

Glasgow IS bigger and Glasgow IS dirtier, as it's a proper city built on heavy industry, unlike the cold-hearted shortbread-tin dystopia of Auld Reekie. :)

I get the feeling this recent debacle is evident of a self fullfilling profecy.

Frankly, I never liked Lum very much.  Smart & well written, yes, but a bit too egotistical for my fragile feelings.  But, the topics written of were interesting, and his point of view was worth reading & discussing.  As was a pretty large portion of the stuff we saw at WT.O.  

For the past few weeks, I've been unable to find a cohesive and interesting (to me) thread about anything gaming related anywhere.  I hope that changes.  View the above thread hyjack regarding soccer and Scotland (or whatever... I skimmed) for example.

Meanwhile, all those Corp people are bashing the F13rs and visa versa.  Frankly, I don't really know why and everything I read is bitching about some combination of grand plots to overthrow the "community".  Heh.  OK, whatever... I thought it was a discussion area about gaming... but whatever.  I thought the same thing about P2P when the last Soap Opera came down the pike and when Lum handed his site off. /shrug

Truth is, people go on and grow up.  Fact is, we have run thin on things to talk about regarding MMO's.  Perhaps we have grown up.  Perhaps the industry has entered puberty.  Perhaps I just don't find things all that interesting any more.  It seems that everything that needs be said has been said.

Sounds like things are maturing... /cough.

STFU. Dumbass.

It all seems kinda stupid to me.
This place looks almost exactly like the WT I lurked at.  But what do I know?

I was IP banned from the wonderful WT "community" because my politics didn't agree with that of a mod. And my posts were randomly edited to put words in my mouth.

So to me, this reads like:

"Ha ha...look at that silly fuck! Banned lol! Ha ha, let's change his post...great fun!"

"Wait, I'm banned? WTF? Wait, my post changed? WHAT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY!?!?!"

Things look different on the outside looking in I guess. It's not surprising, usually the people acting like idiots are first to be offended when they get the same back at them.

I can remember numerous mod posts on WT where the tone was essentially "I'm a mod and you're not - tee hee!" I haven't seen that here yet.

I'm a mod and you're not - tee hee!

Sigh, spamming my own boards because I don't want to burn out on City of Heroes. I'm sure someone else could sympathize if they weren't playing the fucking game!

On a strange note... I've been banned from corpnews.  I don't know why, maybe because I still post here, too?  I did say both forums suck the same.  Hmm... maybe I said both forums suck each other... I don't even remember which forum I posted that in.  Someone might have decided that because schild is a friend of mine, I'm some sort of spy.  (ooh err, very exciting!)  This would be silly as, obviously, I have no difficulty in calling him a bitch in public.  

There are people I enjoy on both boards and I only mind the ban a little.  As much as I like Lum, Poppin, Ray and some others...  I have a much more compelling Haemish addiction.  I am only mildly interested in the reasons for the ban but I reckon I somehow got caught up in this mutual banfest.  Or perhaps I said something horrible or completely contradicted myself... I do that sometimes.  I am a girl and subject to hormone induced confusion.

You're complaining about the lack of gaming threads, in a non-gaming thread, citing a non-gaming tangent in a non-gaming thread. Something's amiss.

No it doesn't. The Twin Snakes is a port of MGS1...it's literally the same game. Just because most MMORPGs are derivative formulaic crap does not make them all the same game.



I think the fact that the members of this community don't know you is enough reason for them to dislike you being a mod. At least on WTO and Corp, the guys running the community have actually been a part of the community for more than 6 months.



Or, yknow, you could cite the other 80% of the thread, in which people explain why they disliked the STEWARD of this community trying to change it's direction. That's right...STEWARD, not owner. The site was always Joe's playground....but ultimately, anyone who hosts one of these sites should do so to SERVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY....no one and nothing else. And I didn't see the community clamoring for poorly-written DVD and TV reviews.



The first is not stupid....there were some long-standing, intelligent threads on WTO when it shut down. How many new threads are popping up here? It was one of those little things that someone who really cared might have tried to do (although I don't understand why the site or forums had to be changed at all, other than where they were hosted....they could have made this change virtually invisible to the community, but they didn't).

The second has been quoted....though I figure it was sarcasm/humor.

The third obviously means quite a bit to several people. Take a guy who was never even part of the community until 6 months ago, now he is running it, along with a change in direction that takes us from gaming and MMOG discussion to Snowspinner's TV blog, and schild's movie reviews. I can certainly understand why longtime members of this community would object to that.

Bring the noise.
Cheers...............

Edit: Q doesn't work...have to type out quote. Go figure.

It's not exactly as though WT.O was full of frontpage content on MMOGs. It got updated weekly, if that. F13 has just as much MMOG content as WT, plus some other content you don't care about.

But its not as though there's been any loss of MMOG content. Functionally, the whole thing amounts to a forum wipe.

Those happen frequently enough, and don't schism the community.

So what's the issue?

Maybe it's because this forum wipe was intentional? Or maybe it's that 3 forum wipes in 6 months is more than could be stood?

My one-liners are failing. Maybe I need to buy a jar of hate.

Just load up the L2 beta again, that'll do you.

The whole thing is stupid.  WTO was stuck in a rut months/years before F13 came about.  It is still in the same rut.  Same rut corpnews is in and whatever other random site wants to discuss MMOGs.  There just isn't much new to talk about and the days of 3 mmogs that ruled our lives are so freaking done with (thank god).

Maybe I should to post some very tame innocuous things on corpnews and see if I get banned for posting on both...  I don't think I could keep the words "drama queens" and "stupid" out of my posts though.  Ah well.

I saved a copy of Poppinfresh's "you suck" tirade just before WTO went down, it was one of the dumbest things I have ever read, and it pretty much killed any interest I had in corpnews.  Too bad.  Once LONG LONG ago I actually liked that site.  I think it was circa Citizen Kabuko review or something.  Corps gone up and down about as much as P2P.

I frankly think the formation of WTO from P2P was just as stupid as this recent split though.  I don't get how one can be stupid while the other isn't.  Well, this is abit more stupid I guess.  Grimwell was being incredibly stupid at that time with his 'for the children' bullshit.  Rants are not as fun without swearing.

LtM and post-LtM sites have gone through at least a dozes  forum wipes, reorganizations, and closures.  The average seems to be somewhere between 3-6 months between major shakeups.  Aren't people used to it by now?

Bruce

Close enough.



I don't plan on deleting any posts as a mod here. As far as I'm concerned it's mostly so I can sometimes post things in the mod forum before I put them up on the main page.

If you just don't like someone who wasn't a member of your circlejerk being a mod, well, tough shit bud.



So Joe owes you something?

Go fuck yourself.



Then start the threads again. Maybe it was just too much of a hassle to move over the account database and posts, maybe Joe just didn't feel like it. It sucks losing long-standing threads and intelligent discussion, but this kind of shit happens on a semi-regular basis to most forum communities.



Joe just got a good job in the industry. As far as I know it wouldn't make any sense for him to start whoring his playground for cash.

I have no interest in making money from this. I just find it's something to do with idle time. I don't really feel my opinions are worth shit.



It's all three now, deal. I don't really blame people for getting weirded out or upset, since it was a pretty sudden change. In the end, the forums are still here, even if people don't like some of the shit on the front page.

Wow we have so much in common! I don't think your opinion is worth a shit either.

anarch..

I have found that not only am I banned from corpnews, but my IP is banned.  That means, of course, that Righ is also banned... not that he ever went there.  N00tch seems to think it's some sort of error but I'm feeling rather notorious and important right now.  Go me.

That would be true, and was true for Elrond when he did SND, but I don't think it is for Joe. What makes him so special?



Remember that? It wasn't one of the little gimmick phrases every one of these sites just has to have of its front page. I also dimly remember Joe being mildly pissed and saying so when the community decided to come in and sit on his couch. I also recall Lum writing something about "He might not want a community, but that is what he is getting" when writing about Waterthread.

So... we come in to someone's house because the front door is open. The owner is a little pissed we just helped ourselves, but lets us sit on his couch and watch his TV anyway. After a while we all get comfortable and the owner decides he kinda likes us around. Then he decides he wants to move said couch... what an asshole.

NOTE: I must admit I left the community during the P2P phase (too much furry, too much sucking of dog cock), and didn't come back for a while, so my in-joke radar might have been a little off. If it was, please be gentle.


Incidently, I am never again going to bookmark a book thread in this damn community. By the time I want to, you know, buy some books, they are never there. I think I've had about 4-5 from Waterthread alone. Also, if anyone has one or many of these threads archived somewhere... could you hook me up? I go for ages without books, then just buy a whole bundle at a time. It's time I did some more reading, and some of the suggestions brought up looked good when I did quick searches on them.

Such hate - and all I want is for the forums to stop eating the "new post" links for the whole site whenever I visit any one thread.

SURELY you jest.  Either way, a highly esoteric  'good' at best. With posters like boogerman being encouraged from head haunchos like... Pop,  it's no mystery why communities implode right along with the over inflated minds behind them. Pop vaguely admits to this on his 'f13 sux'  rant. Too bad he doesn't put much effort into pointing out how easily corpnews can (edit:will) go down the shitter, given time.



I could've told you  everything was going to burn out eventually, nearly 3 years ago.

Because of sentiments like...


... it seems that former wt'ers will always desperately want the next  big LTM.net. And fuck them raunchy for running into a wall, jumping back up and running into the wall again. The same forumers magnetically pull themselves to one place, then almost intentionally recreate the same blunders that we have become all too familiar with.