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It's finally been long enough that I can no longer maintain my anger at CCP to an appropriate level.   Thus I'm taking a 5 day reactivation and will probably resub.   Curious who all around here actually plays and what I should do with my newbish 20mil sp alts to start up a new fortune.   Unfortunately I probably only have a couple battleships and a couple hundred mil after I spent a lot of it on plexes last time.

Quite a few of us are still playing.  What's your in-game name?

Got a few chars but the one I'll be working with is: Sorelia Avora

Spy...

What would I be spying on?

That is exactly something a spy would say...

Oh shut up, you stopped playing forever ago.

Looks like I may have to grind some level 4's in my crappy Dom till I get enough to put myself in a Tengu.    Do you guys actually play together or just do whatever?

Edit:  Also anyone know what to buy with Caldari/Gallente Navy LP's?  I've a lot of Gal Navy LP's.

The right thing to do would be to come to 0.0 as fast as possible instead of grinding for a Tengu then losing it on the Torrinos gate in EC-.

I'm not saying the funny thing can't be also right though.

I sure as hell wouldn't take a Tengu there.   I thought 0.0 got nerfed to shit btw?   I missed the whole "anomaly" thing but it sounds like CCP seriously fucked up 0.0 for anyone not sucking valuable on Moon Goo?  I sure as hell don't want to do missions so I'd love having some 0.0 options.

I only stopped because life got in the way. I still smell spy though.

I thought you were joking.   I'm not joining a corp here I simply asked F13's for some coming back advice.   It's amusing that EvE has made you this paranoid though.

No, 0.0 is still multiple times more profitable, but you do have to watch your ass just like before. Maybe even moreso in our instance now that we have a lot less blues. The anomaly nerf just limited the number of systems that have high-end anomalies, but they did add new exploration sites before that, including 7/10s which give previously missing deadspace gear.


He is joking. Although such paranoia does manifest itself, but it's hidden in places like Pandemic Legion's private directorate subforum.

I was joking. Sheesh, why are you so defensive...



 :why_so_serious:

Because you blew his cover  :why_so_serious:

Level 4s vary in profitability depending on your ship and skills but over 20M/hour is possible, 0.0 sanctums turn over around 25M/hour, it's perfectly possible to find 0.0 systems you can do this in uninterrupted by the theoretical owners.

Pubbie high sec incursion gangs can take you up to 50-70M per hour but you need a good PUG.

Beyond that you're in to low sec incursions or plexes (100M+/hr), for which you really need alliance organisation or alliance space. 0.0 only got nerfed in terms of the number of players each system can support, not the money making rate itself.



All of this remains a terrible experience for solo players.

If whoever has any kind of authority decides you are not a spy you'd be much better off moving to a 0.0 corp, simply so you have something to do with all the isk.

Nobody thinks I'm a spy now   :why_so_serious:.


Hmm thinking back last I actually went to 0.0 was when I joined IAC during the war vs BOB.   They had exploration then but it sort of sucked.   Ratting in that area was sort of bleh.  Doing any of the good plexes was impossible.   It was fun to blow people up of course :awesome_for_real:. The next time I played was when the wormholes came out so I did that instead.    Does anyone remember when they changed the exploration sites?   I really need to go back and read all the dev blogs I guess.

I think I found the dev blog:

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=861

So they basically added back in all the old DED complexes as part of the sovereignty thing?   This part didn't get hit by the recent anomaly nerf?

Hey guys let me change the subject drastically so that maybe everyone will forget that i am a spy......

With a T2 tengu and fighter support (carrier sitting near a POS outside it shields) you can make 60Misk/hour with Sanctums
Just make sure you check the true security level, closer to -1.0 the better/lucrative.

I'm a spy.

I'm actually the spy.  Head of the GIA baby.

I sort of doubt I'll get into a corp that has access to that sort of space.  None of my gamer mates ever really play this game.  So my only choice of corps is basically the ones who will take on strangers.  Probably why I always end up quitting really.

You can get into a decent corp by joining one of those open-recruiting corps in 0.0 and shooting lots of stuff.  If you don't find that fun then no decent corp is really going to want you anyway so it's a kinda of a gatekeeper thing.

I've tried that several times before and the big problem is most of those corps are actually close to dead.   They won't tell you that though so filtering isn't so easy.  If you know some good ones though by all means toss some info.

From a cursory look at your history here, you'd probably pass the rigorous screening for Bat Country.  If you're interested, we can discuss it further.

What's your in game name? 

Samson Savage / d0omer

I won't be around much this weekend, but hang out in the f13 channel and someone ought to be around.

I've been thinking about possibly coming back too. Life interrupted shortly after we joined loveu or something like that.  How many people are still playing?

-Trogdor D'Burninator

Hey, Trogdor!

Many usual suspects still play. The people with the right to push important buttons hasn't changed.

Nice work.

With Rift burning me out (I've got to level 47, but the guild I was in seems to have kicked me out for inactivity) and the collapse of the NC, Eve sounds..dramatic again.

However, I keep reading every battle report as "and then 100 supercapital's landed so we ran away". Is that really the state of play or is there non-supercap battles going on anywhere?

Endie kicked me out of Bat Country for inactivity, so I haven't been playing much.

This has nothing to do with logging in by the way, it means he wasn't posting.

Never Stop!

What happened yesterday? I looked at the Bat Country kill board and there's 96 kills, mostly PL in DKUK.

Hell, the results for this MONTH, all 6 days of is: 150 Ships killed (18.75B ISK)    40 Ships lost (1.93B ISK)    90.67% Efficiency (ISK).  Surly someone can post some battle reports, or even an update on what's happening? Am I going to have to come back so someone will do that.

Well since the DC can't really answer the DRF super-cap blob (if it stays cohesive and focused, which it may not if the death of the NC means mission accomplished) it's either going to be sub-cap battles, super ambushes or getting evicted back to lowsec and doing wulfpax. Win win either way. And certainly the old problem of no nearby reds has been solved and getting to follow the death of the NC was pretty epic.

Holiday almost over so looking forward to being back myself. Seeing how the new neighbors have changed the place. Of course getting my character home from vale should be exciting. Had to dock into a reinforced station to catch a plane.

Phreeze challenged Vee to an old-fashioned battleship fight under a cynojammer so there could be no supercap shenanigans.

Since Supercaps can wander around low sec without the threat of Cynojammers and warp bubbles, I'd say the only place you are going to see Battleship battles soon will be empire wars in high sec.

Oh, whats the timetable betting on Endie going Fukgoons?  :drill:

Since they're going to have to be nerfed, I'd say I hope this will never be the case.

We have a structure-shooting shiptype, dreads. We don't need superdreads with movable/killable guns (supercarriers) or duperdreads (titans). We could, however, do with more high-level strategic shiptypes.

Huh?

You don't understand Endie...He will be the last goon. Well more like he will be the last 100 goons.

I, too am pretty bemused by the idea of me going fuckgoons.  Hell, if I had a lifestyle that let me live in the US TZ I'd be Mitten's anointed successor.  Though obviously I'd have to brush up on my sabre skills and somehow persuade my dog to quadruple in size.

Gentlemen, you have been

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8510/trolledhard.jpg)

Jesus h christables, himo, if that was a troll, then it was a pretty fucking weak troll. In fact, the image macro was a better troll simply because it's an image macro.

~MY PUPPY~ is still only 2 weeks old.

Pics?

And I'll put 50 isk to Endie going fuckgoons in the next 12 hours, any takers?!

It was a joke, but you lot took it so seriously I wound up laughing my ass off. "Endie going fuckgoons?? NOOOOOOOOO!!!" "It WILL NOT ever happen!!" "DON'T SAY THAT!!!" You trolled yourselves.

Seriously guys, you might just have a few unspoken issues here. I mean when I was in goons people openly joked about titan pilots going fuckgoons. What makes Endie persona non fukgoonia?  :why_so_serious:

(Besides, I LOVE Dom Deluoise and it was a good excuse to use an image macro of him)

Jesus Christ Himo, there's no way Endie would go fuckgoons. People generally don't do that until they've spent a couple of years building up a bizarre personality cult on Goonfleet.com and other Eve-related forums.

What you seem to think happened:
"Endie going fuckgoons?? NOOOOOOOOO!!!" "It WILL NOT ever happen!!" "DON'T SAY THAT!!!"

What actually happened:
Me saying "Huh?", Pennilenko making a joke about endie's numerous (but not enumerable as it'll overflow a long long) alts, and endie typing :words:.

I'm sure there's an image macro saying something like "i troll u wolololo" or somesuch somewhere on the internet. vOv

:why_so_serious:

Himo. You are a terrible poster and an even worse troll. But you have a magical fleet leading voice and are fun to play with.

Himo do you realise that not one person here believes that you were trolling?  Why not just say "oh yeah I suppose not ah well" and provoke less saddened shaking of heads?

Also the reason that anyone who actually knows me might suspect that I'm unlikely to go fuckgoons and leave in a blaze of tech-stealing pique is that I don't scam, don't steal and even my spy alts just move quietly on.  Hell, I was a director in Sc0rched Earth (director of counter-intel, no troll) and I looked into the corp's hangar and saw their :shobon: little pile of ammo and cruisers and left it there.

I suspect that I have access to a bit less than half a trillion right now in cash and tech, and plenty more in other assets.  I'm not even tempted.  I'm just not wired that way.  Plus, Eve without Goonswarm would be pretty pointless, and pretty much my entire Eve career has been based around entertaining other people.

You should tell some stories of the GIA - I'm sure there's a lot of Eve History that's never going to be known otherwise. Didn't you at one stage FC one fleet while running both fleets at the same time?

Not me: that was DBRB during the FL deployment against Atlas in 2009.  But I've been intending to declassify some stuff in updates at some point.

Hell, no-one reacted like I could conceivably have been joking.  That's what I find so hilarious  :oh_i_see:


Hamlet:  Madam, how like you this play?   
Queen:  The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

In this play you're the lady, Himo.

We know Endie. You can joke about him spending more time with a dictionary than the rest of his countrymen combined spend ensuring that the quadrupedal, ruminant mammals of the highlands are well versed in the arts of procreation. You could grin at him having more Eve accounts than FIFA has Swiss bank accounts. But we also know that among the best things that can happen to an alliance is to get Endie as director-level spy, for he will take pity on it and take it upon himself to run it competently. If the whole of Eve finally becomes a blue-for-all, this is the sign that Endie has finally penetrated all, and I am not referring to the practise performed with the Ovis aries of his fellow scots here. This is not because he hates spaceship violence, but because he'd hate to see his babies fight. Thank god he doesn't speak Russian. (Don't learn Russian!)

It's like suggesting that The Mittani would go fuckgoons. It doesn't work as a joke because he doesn't care about winning, he cares about playing the game. And if he tires of the game, he'd sure as hell not leave it in such a crass, copy-cat way as fucking goons by taking some isk. No. The Mittani would learn Russian. And then Swedish. And before we know it, we'd all be slaves to the HVAC industry.

 :rock: :rock_hard: :hulk_rock:

That was a good post Vedi.

That's why my "spying" was all information-brokering.  I just couldn't see myself infiltrating an alliance and not trying to *help* them.  Trading favors and secrets is all fun and games (until you accidentally burn a source), but actually getting to be an "Agent of Influence" requires being so useful to your target alliance that if you put the same effort into your own it would be of far more use than anything you might manage to inflict on the "enemy" when you turned.  You have to *enjoy* lying to people that trust you, enjoy getting them to trust you *because* you're going to betray them, to play that game.  Which is why I never trusted Manfred Sideous even when he was in my corp, I knew that kind of spymaster is never really trustworthy.

--Dave

But Manny is fat and jolly, how is that not trustworthy?

I actually got thrown out of one target alliance because I kept calling the leadership out for their terrible fleet doctrines, fits etc.  I can't help it.

So is -BAT- still around or did it finally go the way of all other Bat Country guilds?

BAT is still around and doing pretty well.

It's a good time to return. Either to take part in the quite possible last glorious defense of Deklein or enjoy having large number of bored reds nearby and roaming through Deklein. Or failing that at least to make sure you stuff is somewhere safe.

Damnit. Online spaceships sucked me back in.  :oh_i_see:

I ended up reactivating. I have been puttering around empire with a friend of mine. I havent seen anyone not afk in the f13 channel to chat with.

The channel has fallen into disuse lately.  I was going to try revitalizing it by forcing everyone in BAT, including the non-f13 people, to idle there.  Except I don't know who the moderators are so we haven't done that just yet.

When I'm online, I'm usually paying attention to it.  Say hi to me.

If I'm on, I'm in there - usually as Qormic.

Has anyone done any of the faction warfare stuff? One of my characters can fly CovOps, so I was thinking about trying to faction warfare with him and attacking some people in empire for practice.

It sucks, but if you try to solo you will probably get owned hard.  At least join a corp if you're going to do faction warfare.

Didn't the Caldari 'win' faction warfare already?

I think there was a point where they controlled all the Gallente/Caldari FW solarsystems, like people predicted they would when FW was introduced.

That's basically all I remember about faction warfare. A small Gallente force got an early 'lead' (if you could call it that), then Caldari numbers just started winning out and it wasn't even close.


Then someone figured out the best way to 'capture' a FW objective was a solo assault frigate during off hours or some horse shit and it went into full retard mode.

Whats the state of BC right now? Would it be a good time for me to get back in the corp for some anomaly hunting and some beginner pvp?

Our space is secure, our enemies are running as fast their jump drives can take them, we took on 4-1 odds with the corp vs an entire alliance, and did 66% more damage, the Incursions are rich and EC- camp is running 23/7. Life...much as I am surprised to say as I quit eve only 4 months ago...is good.

Hmm. I might take advantage of my free 'come back' days and retry this. :)

Oh dear. I've resubscribed. Expect XorX and Ornan back soon - once I figure out how much has changed in 3 years ...
Now, can someone help me get my forum account back ;)

So, I'm using my free days. In order of "WTF":

1) Character Creation SUCKED. Took forever.
2) Where the hell are my agents? Don't I have research points stockpiled? (30 minutes later, after finding them the hard way, I remember my journal).
3) Zip around, put cores up -- quick 150 million, with another 200 million on the market. Mostly because they don't accumulate when I've been unsubbed.
4) Look at journal.
4a) What the fuck is an Incursion?
4b) What the fuck is a Planetary Launch?
4c) What the fuck is an 'epic arc'?
4d) When the fuck did I join this corp? Maybe it's the "you got kicked out of your whole corp, so it's your new default corp corp."
5) I have all the skill points from the learning skills to allocate. Where the hell to put them?

Seriously, 5 is something I don't want to half ass. Do we have a non-PvP corp for F13?

I think I was fucking around training towards Interdictors -- I can't remember what skills I have left there, and had filled in cov-ops and was considering stealth bombers? I must have been, insofar as I have no other reason to have any missile skills (I've got less than a million in there, but still). Why do I have Heavy Assault ships to 4? Heavy Dictors to 4? What was I doing?

*ugh*. Is there any way to link my stupid character sheet and get some advice?

eveboard.com

Thanks. Here's me (http://eveboard.com/pilot/Acica_Dy'neer). I apparently do need Destroyers 5 though, to fly regular Interdictors. So what to do with all those Learning skill points?

I can't answer all of them

4a) Incursions are a bit like public quests in other games. A massive invasion by NPCs of a solar system, which you need a group to deal with. At the end you'll get a nice reward of maybe 10 million isk. If you fly to an incursion solar system, a new chat window opens where people will be looking for and forming PUGs. Goonswarm also runs incursion groups because they are a good way of making isk.

4b) This is when you are doing plentary interaction - Eve's version of Farmville - and you launch the products you have harvested or manufactured on a planet into space, for you to pick up in a ship. Basically, if you are not doing Planetary Interaction then ignore. Planetary Interaction itself is a bit complicated to explain. Some people see it as an easy way to make isk though.

4c) Epic arcs are long mission sequences that lead to good rewards at the end. I did the Caldari one and got a laboratory that seems to sell for 200m isk or so. The starting agents are listed here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Epic_mission_arcs#Epic_Arc_Starting_Agents Note that you'll need to be in a ship and have the skills to do level four missions fairly easily to manage these.

I can do level 4s. I could, at least. :) Bit out of practice.

The planetary thing seems interesting, I will have to look at it. And I guess figure out what to do with all those skill points. (5.4 million, in fact).

So I guess to do the epics, I have to start at the beginning?

Yep. I got an epic quest done from start to finish in two nights, playing a couple of hours each night.

So should I go track down the level 4 guy, or since my  tutorials are so far behind, go track down the level one guy? :)

Ah, no. You don't need to bother with the level 1, you can go straight for the level 4.

Since I forgot to load my guns, I think I might do the level 1s to remember how to, you know, fly. And which of those little icons are important. :)

I think "armor repairer" seems critical.

The level 1 is very boring - I did it in an assault frigate. At the end you get the skill books for a destroyer! That's after needing a cruiser to do the final mission.

The level 4's you need probably want an inty, as they are in 0.0 and low sec space and get camped a lot. The rewards are described as ok.

Better idea - Join BAT COUNTRY and join us in 0.0. Then spend your skill points on the Goonswarm 60 day training plan and fly a Hurricane or Maelstrom - if you had any BS skills you can probably go straight to Maelstrom and have the Hurricane skills by default.

I'm back. Watch me suck at this game.   :rock:

Seriously, those epic level 4s go into 0.0? I thought that was just the Pirate ones, not the Empire ones.

I currently fly a Dominix -- with full drone and armor rep skills. Looking over my skills, it looks like I had cov-ops down (I vaguelly remember scouting for Bat Country in one, before it got exploded in a fight. Should not have decloaked to add my one tiny gun into the thing) and most of probbing, but not anything new. Looks like I had also just skilled for most of Indictors and Heavy Indictors (I can fly the Gallente Heavy, not sure about supporting skills). And with all the missile skills I totally don't remember doing, I think stealth bombers caught my eye.

Just BS wise, I'm set for hybrid guns, armor tanking, and drones.

I spent most of my time running L4's in Empire, because I got a deep delight out of salvaging. I don't know why, it was fun. :) And playing the market -- I did a lot of buying and selling loot drops, mostly looking for stuff that didn't have wide orders for buying but sold pretty well and undercutting that. That was quite fun.

The Caldari one at least, the only one I have done, did not force you to go into 0.0. At some points you get to make a choice, and you can either choose 0.0 or low sec. However, even then the mission is simply a courier mission so you do not need to risk a well-equipped combat ship.


Endorsing this.

You're way more advanced than me, so don't think I can answer much.

If that character listing is correct though, you need to be training a skill.

Morat, I believe you were getting into an Ishtar.  The rest of the skills were probably just because you had the prereqs for other T2 cruisers.

Oh yeah! I think I was doing that. I don't remember why I was doing that? Maybe for Bat Country? I know I enjoyed cov-ops scouting (although the game seems to have changed) and probing for stuff (I practiced by finding and recovering abandonded T2 drones, mostly. Lucrative and fun) and was toying with flying a Nemesis (is that the Gallente stealth bomber?).

I also enjoyed salvaging or defending miners from rat spawns in 0.0. So maybe I should jump clone to someone without implants and see about getting out to you guys.

Could you use those skills? Otherwise, I'm a drone boat with some leadership skills. I liked the less risky "flying around invisible" stuff or the 0.0 ratting/salvaging stuff.

Um, what's the security hits I'm looking at? Empire mission running and market playing is a game I also enjoy.

Covert-ops scouting is more fun than it used to be, or more frustrating if you dislike the mini-game it is now. You can make money in Deklein finding plexe's and then selling the location to someone else to run it.

Deklein is one of the best regions in the game currently, maybe better than Delve.

We have war-decs, so empire is not as safe as it would be.

We have a group of Goons who travel around 0.0 following the incursions and doing the encounters as a group of 10 or so ships. It's a very good way to make money if you're willing to do that. The final encounter/raid takes 80 goons, about 30 minutes and makes you 90 million each. If it drops the rare supercarrier BPC, everyone gets 100's of millions.

The ishtar is the single best boat for effortlessly soloing Guristas complexes.  It can do everything up through the 8/10 without breaking a sweat.

It used to be a sexy nano rape ship too! AH, memories!

I do enjoy sitting 100km out and using Warden II's to blow apart battleships.

Do this. Don't do the other thing.

You would literally be better off playing WoW than hunting for fun in solo high-sec PvE.

I enjoy high-sec PvE -- honestly, mostly for the market part of the game. Salvaging, creating rigs with the stuff, looking at loot drops and putting them up on the market or accepting insta-sales -- and finding openings there for decent loot that doesn't have decent wide-spread buy orders, all of that is fun. I'd make more money ratting in 0.0, I know (I was part of Bat for awhile -- I still haven't replaced my Helios), but I've made a hundred million or so out of buy and sell orders and enjoy it.

I'm almost, but not quite, to my first billion. :) 920,000,000 or so is my current wallet.

However, I'm considering taking my jump clone out in the wilds of wherever Bat country was a few years ago and trying to get it to Empire somewhere close to where you guys are now and joining up. If you guys have the right gear, I can learn to probe for that new stuff out there.

The Torrino's EC- gate is 5 jumps from VFK, and about 8 to S-D.

Yeah, that's like Greek to me. :) I take it there's a sufficient market out in Bat Country space to buy stuff? Or should I arrange for salvaging destroyers, Gallente Co-ops ships, and Dominus' to somehow get out there?

And drones. Lots and lots of drones...

I've been hanging out in f13, but haven't seen many people. Where is everyone?

Probably be on tonight, but if anyone has some time -- glance over my skills and see if I have any glaring (and time consuming) holes to fill for the Interdictor role, the Cov-ops probing out bad guys or that Plexe stuff, or the Stealth Bomber role. (My missile skills are shit, I know. I've been meaning to fill in the gaps, but want to put those 5 million SP to something useful and time consuming).

Probing out plexes seems interesting -- not huge on gang warfare, but willing to do the Interdictor role or the stealth bomber hit and run role. :)

I'd like to get that backlog of skill points spent and then pick up some books to fill in any glaring gaps I have, and then see about getting into Bat Country and out to you guys later this week.

Once you're in the corp and have access to Goonswarm.com, check the wiki and download GTS: it's an out of gaming mapping, jumping, bridging and planning tool for ALL your needs.

The Market in VFK is quite good, better than NOL was in my opinion.  That said, there are services in S-Mart on Goonswarm.com that will move your stuff from Jita for very low cost.  So if you have an alt in Jita, just contract the stuff to your mail pilot, and they will then move it to Deklein for you, within a day or two.

For regular Interdictors, I believe you also need Destroyers V to actually pilot the ship.  I have no idea why it lets you skill up the 'Dictor skill before you get Destroyer V.  For Heavy Interdictors, you need Graviton Physics IV to use the Warp Disruption bubble thing.  The only reason I even know that is because those (along with Stealth Bombers) are the ships I had looked up while toying with the idea of using the 5 free day thing CCP keeps sending me.

Yeah, I noticed Destroyers V for that -- I can fly the Heavy Dictor because I have cruisers V or whatever the equivilant is.

I must have been training the pre-reqs for Graviton Physics, but since I'm at work I can't look up if I need anything else. (My skills are here (http://eveboard.com/pilot/Acica_Dy'neer))

Stealth Bombers seem fun to me as well, but my missile skills are crap. I wonder if it's worth it buying the last three ranks of Advanced Spaceship Command?

Isn't Advanced Spaceship Command just used for capital ships?

As for the Stealth Bombers, they use torpedos and bombs, neither of which is hard to skill up to.  Much easier than Cruise Missiles.  Obviously getting a lot of the other Missile support skills will make them more effective, though.

I think so. I only have like a rank or two of it. I went through a "buy every skillbook" phase awhile back when I had cash.

Hmm. Don't remember what I need for torpedoes and bombs, and my basic missile skills are pretty minimal.

You already have the prerequisites for Torpedoes and you just need one more rank of Missile Bombardment for Bomb Deployment.

I think I'll grab the stealth bombers book and the graviton physics book, check my pre-reqs. What do you guys do out in 0.0 besides blow up other people?

Hey, what's the current chat channel?

f13

For anyone thinking about when to use a 5-day resub, you may wish to bear the following corp ops in mind over the following six days:

Tonight (Tuesday) evening eurotime: roam in our successful shield-tanking format, with drakes instead of canes as the backbone this week, and the usual lachesis/scimis/huginn/dictors/light tackle to round it our.  Newbies very welcome, although Halo will tell you you are "so bad at this game" (I have 750 kills and one or maybe two losses this year and he tells me I am awful at Eve not once but twice in a post, yesterday, so this is unavoidable).  These ops run every week, sometimes twice a week.

Friday, Saturday, Sunday evenings eurotime (afternoons US): corp blackops hot-dropping.  Unusually for us this is not, I'm afraid, very newbie-friendly, but we've had people wanting to do it for ages.  Recon ships, bombers and black-ops battleships being bridged onto baited targets.

Saturday evening bonus op euro/US crossover: interceptor gang that rogueant is running in return for getting to choose his own corp title.  Rogue is allegedly as good as - or better than - halo.  Perfectly newbie-friendly: just fit out a t1 frigate for speed (vigils are great and you can train to use one with an mwd, point and stabs in a few hours) and come along to learn how to fly fast stuff.

We are also brainstorming good, cheap T1 gangs for newbie corp FCs to take out at zero cost to anyone to learn how to FC with no pressure.  Those will be ultra-newbie friendly (you may end up FCing, after all!)

On top of this there will be newbie-friendly alliance operations most days as well, spread through US and Euro timezones.  The US dudes have more ops, but Euros and crossover time have Mister Vee, who is possibly the best FC in the game.  You'll tend to find out about these by hanging out on jabber and receiving "log in for fight" broadcasts, which is a nice, lazy way to play because you can do other stuff within earshot of the ping and never miss a fight (supercap dudes get SMS messages but that's a mixed blessing when you forget to turn off your phone ringer before going to bed).  Rifters are always welcome on these, and any FC who ever tries to say otherwise (dbrb, ninetales) gets negrepped into the ground.

Here are the ops that I can remember from the last ten days or so:

Last Saturday - Corp roam to Syndicate: killed stuff outnumbered
Last Sunday - Corp roam to Drone Regions: killed stuff massively outnumbered (best fight yet)
Last Monday - Alliance strategic ops in Anzac, Euro and US timezones.  There were a few of these this week and we took a system and various tech.  Huge success.  Also, Comstr FCed an alliance fleet to help take EC-.
Last Tuesday - Early US/late EU Evening Alliance roam to Syndicate: no as easy as it looks, is it?  Newbie FC lost heavily
Friday - US TZ Someone takes out an alliance welpfleet and gets murdered.
Saturday - US TZ Alliance op in Cobalt Edge.  Murdered Dirt Nap Squad's elite PvPers.
Saturday - Euro evening/US Afternoon ambush on vast Raiden supercap fleet with experimental, throwaway fleet: kill a few things including a carrier; almost kill supercarrier; almost kill titan.  Lessons were learned to refine the fleet, but basically a big welp.
Sunday - Alliance late Euro/early US evening op: we and our allies in a three-way brawl against the Germans of Ev0ke and the combined forces of Borg/Brick/Morsus Mihi when they decide to attack our allies' sovereignty.  Huge win against both enemies.  Fortunes are made by our elite wreck-looters.  The nine Bat Country dudes there were on 116 kills, including 42 Heavy Assault Cruisers, 43 logistics ships, 9 strategic cruisers and three command ships.
Sunday/Monday - US evening drunken (slosh) op in frigates.  Slosh ops cannot be welps.
Monday - US Evening: our revised welpfleet doctrine goes out and kills five PL capital ships and a bunch of support ships.

So there is tons of stuff to do (this doesn't count the various small gangs, Topgoon ganks and pretty much 23/7 EC- chillaxing gatecamp) and I have forgotten more ops I imagine.  Just read the alliance and corp forums and hang out on jabber.

Sadly, it was like me and one other person there. So I went and bought and injected a bunch of skills I qualified for and then went to bed. :)

Damn it. I'll probably be playing again - nothing else out there with pvp.

My character - Win Sui - is probably not in BC anymore? I'll just log in and yell and take it from there.

I can say for all the vets returning interested in returning to BC it is pretty fun.  Once you get to Deklien and on mumble it is pretty easy to find fleets (I joined 2 this weekend after I resubbed last Monday).  The new cosmic anamoly thing is awesome, basically allowing you to concentrate a lot more folks in a smaller face and still earn decent income.  They can also be run in Drake, which is nice.

I sorta considered trying out an incursion, with one just a few jumps from me. But then I read about it, and though they claim to be gang-oriented there was talk of soloing some of the scout ones.

And then I couldn't figure out what the heck the rewards were for, so I wasn't sure why I'd bother. So instead I went and read a book.

Each site you finish in an Incursion awards you a standard amount of isk, less if you go over a certain number of people determined by what kind of site it is.  You also get a pool of LP that are released when the Incursion is completed, or lost if it isn't.  As for soloing them, that's probably an awful idea but go for it.

There is, or at least was, a group of Goons that chased Incursions all over lowsec for a long time.

Yeah the Gooncursion fleet has good FCs (like, sometimes first-line alphafleet dudes) and doctrines and make vast amounts of money.  The goonfleet wiki and their subforum have the good shit for members.

At the same time bear in mind that I only just ran my first anomaly last week so i am not the right guy to ask about PvE stuff.

Thanks. I'll add that to the 'to do list' when I get out there.

Although honestly it seems to me that drones are completely useless outside of solo PvE. (Stupid gallente! Seducing me with your drones when I could have guns!).

I've finally started getting through L4's without going "oh shit, I'm in the hull, LEAVE THE DRONES AND RUN!" so I suspect I'm back to sorta remembering how the game is played.

Sentry drones are useful in some very specific situations.  And I like bringing ECM drones and siccing them on a logistics ship early in a fight.  Oh and if you need to get the fuck out in a fight but are tackled by an inty or the like then warrior IIs will most likely panic him.  But yeah, until the fabled Gallente buff (allegedly mid-2012) there are other areas to focus on.

For those who joined up Halo is running a drakes-and-support-ships fleet tonight at 1900 Eve, which is well worth coming along to.  Support, in this case, is preferably Lachesis (that's me get your own ship), Huginn, dictors, scimis and scouts/light tackle.

lachesis -- logistics ship? How good are those in a fight? How's the role work?

Lachesis is the HAC version of the Celestis, no?

It's a HAC that gets a a huge bonus to warp scramble/disrupter range. 40-50km. With a Mindlinked Claymore or battlecruiser fitted with an interdiction mod, and a overheated faction point, it can prevent ships from warping up to 100km away.

Overheating is still a closed book to me.

Interesting. Probably hard to kill from 100k away, if it's HAC sized and moving.

It's not quite a HAC, though.  It doesn't get quite as much of a t2 resistance bonus and doesn't do much in the way of DPS.  It's a pure utility ship.

If you pvp you really should look into overheating. Your modules do a lot more damage but burn out after a time. The trick is to overheat them for a bit then stop. As long as you don't burn them all the way out they perform at full effect. Different mod types have different bonuses from overheating. Weapons generally do damage, points get range, afterburners push your ship faster. In a contest against a comparable ship/pilot he will absolutely melt you if you don't overheat and he does.

I started training for the Lachesis when I saw what Darkside were able to do with one in their drake gangs: it is an amazing addition to our battlecruiser-heavy gangs as I can basically tackle anything the other guys can lock when we have the skirmish bonus in gang.  Easily my favourite ship just now as the only things we couldn't tackle in their engagement range are basically recons and sniper BS. 

I've started using some faction tackle on it when I trust the FC and gang, and fully bonused and overheated you basically have a zone of death where nothing can get away extending for a globe nearly 200km across.  Defensively, I use a relatively cheap faction scram that lets me switch off the mwd of any non-inty tackler that gets within warp disruptor range of us, and even the inties will orbit into my scram range and die if anyone but me is their target.

Also come on Saturday's corp slosh op at 2100 Eve we're running with an unorthdox T1 cruiser doctrine of brick-tanked blackbirds and high-damage vexors it'll be fun.

The only problem I have is that my character is ammar/gallente specced and is nigh on useless for fleet ops.  (FFS when I left everyone was Ammar now laser suck. I have perfect gunnery support skills and can use all T2 lasers. :cry:)  I just bit the bullet jumped into my +5 implant clone in Jita and I am spending the next few days getting all the skills I need to fly a Drake/hurricane because f*** ratting in Dek with a laser boat.

Don't you have learning skillpoints to spend?  That's what I did when alphafleet was announced: instant T2-arty maelstrom dude.

I was a moron and spent them maxing out a bunch of support skills  because I figured I would never max them out unless I did this.  But now I have perfect shield/fitting skills (AWU 5 ahoy).   I will be in a fleet hurricane in less than a week though and then work my way up to T2's for the mael.

Just make sure and come along on Saturday!

I would love to but the wife is having friends in from out of town so it is not looking good....   I was hoping to make the op yesterday but I forgot about the stupid time zone conversion.  I had a great time on DBRB's op and the cruiser op last weekend though, and I am very excited to get up and running in the US time zone.  Also Bat country is the best country because when I returned and mentioned to folks in corp that I was ratting because I was space poor they sent me enough cash to get a few combat ships for last weeks ops.  That's incredibly nice of folks who have no idea who I am.

I look the 9-buck month resub and am back in.  Scared to do anything w/o advice.  "Hold me tight old friend."

Join the "f13" channel in-game if you want to talk to some of our guys and "gs_help" where alliance mentors answer questions.

BTW, lasers and amarr don't suck, we just picked the other doctrine.

Amarr is still great when we do occaisional armour HAC roams, or for incursions.

But basically, train minmatar and you'll be good for just about any possible doctrine that ever gets dreamt up.

Fixed.

I prefer Amarr just due to the extra cargo space from not having to carry so much ammo.

It was always nice being able to play something else during POS shoots with Amarr.

Amarr is great, but for what we do and where we are, you will find yourself frustrated more often than if you'd chosen just about any other race.

I'm feelin the love  :awesome_for_real:

How do you get this 9 buck a month thing?   I went to check the resub but only the normal options where there.

I don't always play EvE, but when I do I prefer Amarr.

Amarr Victor

Amar vincet omnia.

Amarr smells. And they support slavery.

The problem here is?

The problem is that they picked a deficient group like the minmatar to enslave when if they'd enslaved the gallente at least the slaves would have a sense of aesthetics.

Well, the Gaylente could certainly design a more comfy dildo, for a start.

Not sure about this, Amarr have all the good looking ships, and who do you think did the actual work to design them?

2.5  more days and I can fly a fully reimbursable Scimitar.   :awesome_for_real:

I love logistics. 

Raising this from the dead: What the heck is EVE Inferno. and why is it 20 bucks on Steam? I went to download the game client for future resubbing...

EVE Inferno = the EVE client.  EVE always changes its name to the last expansion, but they're all free so you basically just get the latest client that everyone has.  It's not like WoW, where each expansion has its own box and is separate from the vanilla game.

The $20 is probably the typical deal:  the client + 1 month of subscription, after which you'll be charged $15 / mo instead of $20.  EDIT:  You can probably download the client from the official website (try EVE now link), for free.  The $20 is for a NEW account, not for re-subbing old ones if you have any.  You won't be able to transfer the 1 month of subscription to your old characters on different accounts.

Okay. that makes sense. :) Thanks!