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Under the -spoiler- tag, all the recruiting signup fluff, including official rules for signing up. Since it's all in the PC Games forum too, I don't want to have an identical post up here. But you should still peek under the spoiler just to make sure you are not forgetting stuff. So...

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Who is already in? I'm only joining if the cool kids around here joined too, you know...

These are the first 32, chosen due to participation in Season #3 (reserved spot in S#4) and first come first served for newcomers.

- Falconeer
- Carnifex 27
- Paelos
- Modern Angel
- Sky
- Ulysees
- Gruntle
- Ginaz
- Sir T
- Comstar
- Longstrider
- Bann
- HaemishM
- Proudft
- AndyDavo
- Teleku
- Reborn
- Llyse
- Megrim
- Avaia
- IainC
- Celer
- Lamaros
- Drogg
- Eldaec
- Ingmar
- Strazos
- Ruvaldt
- Ezrast
- Ironwood
- Ice Cream Emperor
- Merusk

Waiting list (this doesn't mean you are out. Means we are trying to figure out a way to include you).

- Der Helm
- Kail (this guy offered himself as a filler)





Get your copy (http://store.steampowered.com/app/58520/), sign up, bring a friend, kick asses and melt faces. This time it's gonna be :awesome_for_real:
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Reserved for stuff.

Also, important NEW RULE:


- To make sure that the winner of the game instantly uploads his/her replay to BBManager, or in case of a tie you agree on who's gonna do it. When in doubt, you both upload it. This will save me a lot of work, and will take you only a few seconds.

This is very important. And I'll go as far as using the rule which is in effect in the Orca Cola and some other major BB competition. It's the winner of a match responsibility to upload the replay. If, by the end of the Game Week the winner hasn't uploaded his/her replay, the win will go to the other player. In case of a draw, coaches are supposed to agree on who is gonna upload. When in doubt, just upload (removing a duplicate is very easy).

Just remember, uploading a replay to BB Manager takes 5 seconds, right after the end of the game.

I am IN!

I'd also add, on BBManager, make sure you have the right game day selected when you upload. BBManager is pleasingly good at autodetecting what needs to go in except for that.

3rd time's a charm

I Am IN. Comstar's Amazon's now with more guard than last time.

In. Might be switching teams.

In, possibly switching teams.   :heart: Falc  :heart:

Bashtards are back for season 4, hungry for elven blood and looking to once again place at the top of the kill stats! Possibly even win a game!

I'm in again. Just to confirm the 1250 TV, 0 gold cap applies also to teams from the main league or only from the feeder league?

I'm in, preferably with some of my feeder teams, my Undead are making me cry.

I was going to do a feeder team, but the Bashtards got a couple nice late-season upgrades. Being so entirely weak against dodge is making the greenskins see red, though. But I do like the Orcs, so them's the breaks for at least another season.

Amazon blodgers with guard, Nuffle wept.

I'll join up.

90% sure the restrictions are feeder only.   Regardless, I'm in, with my Beetles.  The Pointy Hat Squad (somehow) ended their season at a higher TV, but the Beetles finally has a full(ish) roster, so what the hell, go mummies go.

I'm in for sure.

I'm down if for nothing else than get vengeance against lamaros for quashing my playoff hopes :mob:

Bounty on the Thro-Ra's head in the first game!

 :awesome_for_real:

Reporting in. I'll play my human team from season 3 again.

x silver horde

Joke's on you, he has a broken ankle and he's missing the first game! 

Wait, maybe the joke is not on you.

Also want to point out the first day or two will be rough for me, I'm sitting for my exam on April 30th  :ye_gods:

And another first timer joins to win the league :awesome_for_real:.  No really I'm in if you'll have me, but I'm pretty sure I'm not as much of a ringer as AndyDavo.  If anyone wants to test out my lizzie team in the feeder league between now and then, I could definetely use the TV.

Edited to add:  If anyone wants to set up a game between 6 and 10 am pst (gmt -8) lemme know.

I'm kind of lukewarm on this season (exams this month), but I can probably fill a hole if you need to add another player to lose constantly end up with the right number of teams.  If not, I'll sit this one out and hopefully be free again for S5.

Beardstorm! is in and ready to begin the march towards a DEATHROLLAH.

I'm in with the Hippies yet again.  We shall skip and frolic to victory!

One problem, however.  I'm going to be out of the country (heading to France/Germany) from April 29th to May 11th.  I highly doubt I'll be able to figure out a way to play BB while over there (all my Euro friends seem to only own crappy lap tops), so I couldn't play during that time.

The Peace Dogs High Elf team of absolute pansies is in for Season 5! Time for flouncing about!

In, of course. Back with my Norse.

Falc, were you not going to do a post-op on S4? I ever so liked the last one you did.  :grin:

In.  Playing my Ex-Presidents probably.

What? No way, I cry copyright infringement!

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!  :drill:

I'm definitely going to swap to my feeder High Elves this season.  Three games and they are already more awesome than my undead.

You know who's not playing any more feeder league games?  :oh_i_see:

This too.

I will be in London and Ireland looking to confirm or deny that British girls drink copious amounts of gin  :drill:

april 20th - may 2nd (Genoa) for me.

Most of the civilised world has four public holidays in the next few weeks, may be worth declaring a pre-season period for a couple of weeks.

Yeah I would advise poking the start date back a couple weeks. Post tax season vacations and SPRING BREEEEEEEEEEAKS, and whatnot.

I'm in.

Quick question.  If I have a team thats played in the feeder league but then has played a few games in another league (Auld) is that team allowed to play in the F13 S4 league?

My understanding is no.

No.

Rules for importing teams from Feeder to Main are in the opening post of the Feeder League thread.

What about teams that have played in More Eddie?

(Will probably play my Rats anyhow, though)

Ok.  Thanks.

23 signups I can see so far...

Falconeer
Modern Angel
Llyse
Comstar
Megrim
Avaia
Sky
IainC
Celer
Paelos
proudft
lamaros
drogg
Bann
Myself
carnifex27
Ingmar
Teleku
HaemishM
Strazos
Ruvaldt
Ginaz
Ironwood

Plus maybes and people admitting to buying this in the steam thread.

Thrawn
Sjofn
Vaiti
Azazel
Longstrider
Kail

Looking good.

Seriously? Try signing up a More Eddie team and see what happens.

Neg, I just won't have time to learn to play well and it would be really hard to find time to play my matches.  :sad:

Maybe I needed a smiley face in there.

So, you tell me, should I sign up?

Requires literally one hour every 9 days. We spend much more time posting about matches than playing them.

And Haemish and Sky, plus a few others, had never played against a human at the start of last season.

These are weak excuses.

I had played two games against AI before my first League game, and I went to the playoffs my first season.

Also, Sir T...Yes, you should play! If for no other reason than so I can try to avenge the death of one of my noble linemen.

Sorry for the lack of smiley faces, I am practicing being an ass and it's easier than I thought. I'll stop that before I get drunk with ass power.

And yes Sir T, you absolutely have to sign up. I mean, you owe me a rematch!

In again for sure. Probably with my lizards, although I do have a pro elf lineup in the feeder league that did remarkably well in its first few games a while back.

Actually, I'd played the tabletop version a few times years ago, and played in beta as well as a few games online before the season. But I still didn't have clue one about the game when we started the season.

I got better.  :why_so_serious:

What do you mean he died? he just decided to join my team is all...  :grin:

Ok I'm in.

Well, he's dead to me, and that's what counts. :oh_i_see:

If there is room I'd like to sign up a lizardman team for the next season please.

I am unsure how the signup process goes. I sent a PM to Falc, and I am supposed to get an invite to my email that I sent? Then I join a Steam group so I can join the league?

Do I have that right? Falc hasn't gotten back to me yet due to the time difference I'm guessing.

Falc is slacking, because spring kills him. But as long as you posted your intentions here, and sent me a PM, you are golden  :heart:

Sign me up for season 4 -- I've got to defend my place at the very bottom of the pile.

Oh dear, I've been playing this everyday and may be hopelessly addicted.

Owned.

No-one said anything about a PM.  Get me on this shit.  I have red-hawt Skaven action to unleash.

Throw me the Steam Group also.

I PM'd Falc days ago but he's not inviting me to nothing.

WHAT UP?!?!

Steam tells me he is lost in a Rift.

IIRC Falc confirms everyone's emails at once after signups are over. As long as you've followed the instructions in the thread, we won't forget you. Probably.

I don't like this method! Confusion and  :mob:

Anyway I'm noisy so I'm sure it will be fine.

Sure, why not. Even if my other two leagues are making me hate blood bowl with a fiery apathy.

I'm definitely in if there's room.  Sending pm.

I am sorry for being mostly away. Honestly, I am.

Your PMs are being taken care of. Sure, I need a PM, but I am not gonna leave anyone behind, and as long as you shown interest I'll probably message you at some point just to make sure you got how to signup (in case you didn't follow all the steps). Everything's working fine on my end, and yes there will be a bracketing video. Of some sorts. Probably less epic, and well.. shorter than last Season's.

About starting date, yes it's probably a good idea to push it one week later, to make sure to avoid the Easter mess and not start the whole thing with the wrong foot. So, what about starting April 29th? This way the first Game Day wouldn't be over until May 7th, should give enough time for anyone to be back and play, right?

Oh, and AndyDavo still has to pick up his prize for Season #3. I haven't forgotten, man. Just shoot me a message letting me know what you picked from the Steam catalogue.

Still waiting for your epilogue post for S3.

And no, I will not stop bugging you about it until it is done, in some form.   :why_so_serious:

April 29th would work better, though my match will have to be later in the week as that weekend is totally shot.

I'm still rooting for (female) Italian breasts in the video. Or does your foreign charm only work on Americans?  :why_so_serious:

You know, accents are like love potions... which for obvious reasons only work on foreigners. With Italians it all takes more effort... which I don't care that much about since THEY don't have an accent  :why_so_serious:  (I still have my luck though, though, in Italy too).

April 29th it is then. I'll up date the threads where needed.

I might have to forfeit the first week, or crash AndyDavo in person since I'll be in the UK.

But I don't need to play all my matches to choke again  :awesome_for_real:

Yeah, I'm leaving for for France/Germany on the 29th, and getting back May 11th.  So perhaps, if everybody gets a bye like last season, anyway to make it so that I get it first for my group?

We only had byes due to Nix's unexpected forfeit. I'm actually not a huge fan of byes, as I feel like I could get more SPP from actually playing normally.

I'd like to sign up my Snooty Royals from the matchmaking league.

29th works for me as a start date, but can we open signups before the 20th? I'll have no access from the 20th till May.

Yeah, I think only one division had a bye.  I know the one I was in didn't.

I  would like to  register my interest in joining for season 4. I will be using the Paper Armour Dolls, and retiring the Wildcards.

I'll take care of signups over the weekend, the new League will be created in game on the 19th, so you should be able to join in time. Start date will be, as we agreed, on the 29th.

Count me in!
I was so close to bottom of the division I could taste it!

Same team (Reborne's Wrestlers)
Who knows I may even get a win this time around :P

I'll join you guys as well, this time. Chaos4live.  :drill:

I think we're over 32 now, commence theorycrafting tournament structures acceptable to Cynanide's absurdly restrictive interface.

Alright coaches, we have a problem: 34 applications.

What do we do?


- Falconeer
- Carnifex 27
- Paelos
- Modern Angel
- Sky
- Ulysees
- Gruntle
- Ginaz
- Sir T
- Comstar
- Longstrider
- Bann
- HaemishM
- Proudft
- AndyDavo
- Teleku
- Reborn
- Llyse
- Megrim
- Avaia
- IainC
- Celer
- Lamaros
- Drogg
- Eldaec
- Ingmar
- Strazos
- Ruvaldt
- Ezrast
- Ironwood
- Ice Cream Emperor
- Kalle

Waiting list (this doesn't mean you are out. Means we are trying to figure out a way to include you).

- Merusk
- Der Helm

- Kail (this guy offered himself as a filler)

If we have one more filler then we can have four divisions of nine or six groups of six. As things stand we could do it with four divisions of six and two short divisions of five and then run them as two separate leagues with an invitational final league for the winners and runners up of each.

Divisions of 9 are not allowed by the system. Artificially creating BYEs is a pain, and messes up money.

Sort potential players by postcount.  :awesome_for_real:

Yeah.

This, manage the groups as separate competitions and they can all be any even numbered size you like. Or just create a 6x6 league and apply peer pressure so that the people here who have the game but haven't signed up (we know where you post) grow some balls and fill the league by the 29th.


Also, Falconeer's mathematics is terrible, there are 35 names on that list. Bully Thrawn, Vaiti, Sjofn, Azazel, Tebonas, or Aez into signing up and you have 36 (6 groups of 6, winners and two best runners up qualify for separate end of season knock out tourney) get 5 and you have 40 (5 groups of 8, winners and best 3 runners up qualify). Problem solved. Asking people not to sign up is horrible, because firstly there is going to come a time when we're desperate for numbers to keep this going, and secondly it just sucks.

See, even Ironwood agrees. This proves it's a great plan because Scotland won't let him post bad things to the forum anymore.

Yeah, it's the Scottish Internet V-Chip.

I am teh winnar!

So I bought this game and started a Chaos team.  It took me almost all day to finish one tournament.  I scored two TD's in 4 games and lost 3/4.  Soooooo....I need tips.

The tips thread: http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20271.0

Chaos specifically is a little rough to start, but not too bad.  Your worst opponents will be those with lots of Block or Dodge, since you have none (so Dwarves, Amazons, Norse, are pretty rough).

If you have a minotaur, you need to really work around Wild Animal - it fails much less often if he blocks or blitzes, but always consider that is he going to fail and him doing anything is a bonus (I still like him though).

If you're not blowing blitzes on the minotaur, make sure you are blitzing with the beastmen instead of the chaos warriors, since they effectively become chaos warriors when blitzing with the +1 ST bonus from Horns.

Other than that, they are pretty average at everything.  You'll _usually_ pick up the ball and _usually_ succeed at handoffs and _usually_ fail at passing, and dodging is a crapshoot.  So work around those assumptions.

See the resources/questions thread below if you haven't already. Don't get attached to your teams, especially in your complete-newb phase; I started a bunch of tournaments that I abandoned after one or two games just to get a feel for what the different races do and which ones I had enough of a knack with to try to push it a little further (for me that team was lizards, although even then I don't know if I ever actually finished a tournament with them until f13 Season 3).

I haven't played chaos at all myself, but everyone says they're hard to win with at first. If you do want to stick with them just focus on learning game mechanics and don't worry so much about winning. After you understand why the AI does what it does, you'll be beating it regularly.

I don't know if I'd start off with Chaos as your first team if just learning to play.  It takes awhile to them skills and they can be frustrating to play in the beginning, though once they do get skills they seem to be one of the better teams.  Try starting with orcs, dwarfs, or undead.  Once you get the hang of things maybe try skaven or wood elfs.

Use this:

http://bbtactics.com/

I will type it again.

USE THIS:

http://bbtactics.com/

Dusematic, would you like to sign up for Season #4? Not sure if you said so anywhere...

Yeah, thats an excellent resource and the guy knows what he's talking about.  I read it all the time.

I don't think so.  I'm pretty bad.  After doing some reading up I did improve though.  Some subtle concepts really make all the difference.  I played another tournament and won 3 of 4 games.  The problem is, even though I won 75% of my games, I still came in 3rd place in the rankings.  So, clearly wins isn't how they rank the teams.  I guess I pretty much lost interest after I saw that.  I realized I'd literally spent all day playing 8 matches (two tournaments) and only had a couple level 2 guys and 0 prestige.  What an epic grind.  Unless I'm missing something it must take months of man-hours to rise to the top of the ranks.

All in all, worth my 10 bucks I spent, but I don't have time for this game.  Too hardcore. Very interesting though.

With Chaos teams, you will learn the meaning of the words "Fucking Beastmen."

I like Chaos, but yeah, they can be really frustrating early on. Also, single-player tournaments are not where Blood Bowl is at. It's all about the multiplayer leagues. That's where the real fun is.

Sucky players can get lucky, even I win once in a while. :)

And I only play the f13 matches, about an hour a week and haven't played since the close of season 3 regular season. It's very casual friendly, as long as you don't expect to make the playoffs. It's fun watching the vets get hot if you can sneak in a win or injure (or kill!) a player or two.

I got frustrated after a couple games, but it was really the interface that bothered me most. Overall, it was a fun experience.

You should try an undead team instead. And to echo Haemmy: single player is just for learning the interface. Jump into Season 4 and learn on the pitch like everyone else.

Some advice from a relative newb... if you're using 4-minute turns, you need to switch to 2-minute turns as soon as it's practicable.  That makes each game take 60-90 minutes (depending on setup time and such) as opposed to 2-3 hours.  At first it might seem like things are moving way too fast, and you don't have time to move all your players, but actually you spend too much time over-thinking with 4-minute turns anyway.

Dodgy teams level up a bit faster than bashy teams, and they play totally different, so definitely try both out.  Even elves don't level up every game, more like every 2-3 games, but SPP from TDs (and passing) come faster than casualties.

This league is just one game a week for 2 months, so it's not a lot of pressure.  It's a simple 3 points per win, 1 point per tie standings system.  Granted, you will get stomped by the one or two high-level teams in your division but there will be some new teams as well.  It is a LOT more fun playing against other people.

Ok... 35 players. One day to the deadline to create ingame Leagues and be sure Eldaec can sign in (as promised). What do we do?!?!

I don't have time to pressure any of the indecisive ones to join. We could make it work with 36 or 40, hardly with numbers in between. What do we do? Solutions! Now!

Sjofn! Duse! You've been bitten by the Blood Bowl bug, and we know you want some more! You've still got two weeks to sharpen your skills before the league starts, and any number of us would be willing to play you in the feeder league and offer tips. You'll be amazed at how much more comfortable you get with the game after just a match or two with a real person. And how much more bloodthirsty.</peptalk>

Failing that, last season there was some discussion of allowing coaches to field multiple teams. Seems like we settled on "avoid if at all possible" - which I agree with - but I don't think there was any reason it would break the game, and with as many teams as we have I don't think having one coach double up would be terribly detrimental.

So I'd just go ahead and create it for 36 players, and let someone double up if we can't find a filler in the next day or two. Have we talked about divisions yet? 4 divisions of 9 would make the season a bit too long in my opinion, but 6 divisions of 6 would make it a bit too short and give us weird numbers for the playoffs. Not sure which I'd prefer.

A single coach can't have more than one team in a given league at the same time. If the season is set up as separate leagues for each division with an invitational final league then that wouldn't be a problem but it's still sub-optimal.

God, I really shouldn't. Because I will be terrible. Can I have a week of practice before I decide? :P

Make it 36 people, that's it. #36 decides by the end of the day or it's a dummy team.

 Funnel extras over to More Eddie Season 2.

Unsure about structure. I'm assuming that 36 would work since it's divisible by 4.

The worst that can happen is that you play a few games of Bloodbowl against folks from F13 and maybe decide you don't like it after all. There were plenty of people in the last league who had never played before and most of them had fun.


Actually I guess the absolute worst that can happen is that your fragile psyche snaps from the crushing humiliation of seeing your only rank 2 player murdered by a cheeky 1 dice block from a Skink and you go on an amphetamine-fuelled rampage of blood and shotgun shells that ends up with you firing indiscriminately into a crowd while taking alternate swigs from a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 and a family-sized container of nail polish remover. That would be pretty bad I'd imagine.

Can we just now make it 36 players? Open today, and then give the 36th the nest week and a bit to decide?

Because we don't have to have it closed and ready to go by tomorrow so Eldaec can sign up. We just have to have it open, right?

So fix on 36. Open signups. Everyone can get in and if it turns out we're still one short we can spend the next week harassing that person, get them in in time and be ready to go in may?

Or am I misunderstanding the process?

36 it is.

Or worse...from a failed GFI! That's how I lost my single player to injury last season, iirc. Broke his ankle on a GFI.

Someone needs to get Hartsman to ban Falcon from Rift  :why_so_serious:

And Ingmar would be RIGHT THERE to take the brunt of it!  :ye_gods:



Gawd, if I play, I have to think of a team name and everything. So stressful. :(

Trust, me I've been playing for a week now, the game is no complicated. If you start a beginner campaign with humans, you will get the subtle parts of the game really fast.

The things I need more practice on are placement, order to do shit in, and thinking faster. Easy, rite?

Sucking is no excuse. I didn't score a touchdown until my 5th game I think and didn't win until my last game of the season. Sucking is part of the Blood Bowl fun. *YMMV*

I'm sorry to say that I'll have to withdraw my application. I have other commitments that are eating up my time and I've come to the conclusion that I just can't do another blood bowl league as well. Maybe I'll come back for season five. Hope this doesn't cause any problems

So basically we have 32 for sure, 33 with Helm... 34 with Kail (who was unsure, so we could write him off. BUT, if we incllude him.... he could bail) and 35 with Sjofn. Terrible numbers.

And I have to create a League structure within a few hours so Eldaec can join before he leaves.

Damn.

Just kick out the last man to sign up, or the worst team overall.

Or kick out the ringer who won last year. He got his already!  :awesome_for_real:

Why you hating on my elves?  :why_so_serious:

Last man to sign up is Helm. That would suck, though.  :uhrr:

:why_so_serious:

My own feelings aside, I think that f13 members should get preference over outsiders, especially those who don't really participate in the site.

And to add to that, as far as I'm concerned, Helm signed up with his mysterious "chaos will reign" post during S3. So he was first not last.

In other news, Falconeer check your pms, also any format that doesn't include Sjofn is wrong.

Just tell me where to sign up and when, please.

Aw, you're a peach. Who knew people wanted to faceroll to victory against me so bad?  :grin:

Ok, I'm in if you still need another guy.  Let me know.  I didn't want to be the one asswipe who sucked balls and that people yelled at for being a newb. 

If anything, people love newbs because they look like easy points.

Just being honest. But perhaps more to the truth, it means more people playing, which is always good. :oh_i_see:

As much of a bag of douche f13ers are on the boards, we tend to be pretty fun to game with. Very few of us would yell at someone for being a n00b. Those in the BB league have been apt to give you advice than call you a n00b.

I yell at myself for being a newb. Hell, my only injury last season was because I mis-clicked an apothecary roll.

I'm going to be totally easy points.  I just lost 3 of my best Skaven to Ogres, for fucks sake.

Ogres.

Pretty much this.

It's always better to play people in f13 because everyone who's played in earlier season's would give you tips after if not during.

You let tehm OGRES BLOCK AGAINST YOUR RATS ?  :ye_gods:

 :awesome_for_real:

 :drill:

I'm still here if you need me to fill a hole to make the league work, but I'd rather not take a slot away from a real player.