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Defecating dog sparks US shootout (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12869141)

So apparently, a couple of good ole' boys in Mississippi (who'd a thunk it?) decided to take shots at each other over the possibility of one's dog taking a shit on the other's lawn.

How Haemish stands living in that state I will never understand.

He can live there because he would probably shoot you if you let your dog shit in his yard...

Meh, if people didn't get uppity about their precious lawns, I wouldn't care where my dog dropped a load. It's a fucking dog. It shits. Get over it.

So I guess I'd be the one getting shot then. I live here because I can't afford to move anywhere else.

I put significant time, money and effort into my lawn...take alot of pride in it.  Be courteous and pick up your dog's shit.  How hard is that?

Would I shoot somebody over it? Tempted, but no.  I am not against, however, channeling Hank Evans by grabbing my morning paper and taking a hudge on your doorstep.

I put almost no effort into my lawn and I still wouldn't want your dogs shit on it.

I hate lawns and shit on them.

I don't understand any of this.

Why not shoot the dog ?

They did. That was one of the things that triggered the whole magilla.

Ah.

Excellent.

So whats the problem with dog shit? Its free fertilizer for your goddam lawn and it doesn't even stink after an hour.

It's a turd that absolutely ruins that manicured landscape they've worked oh so hard to define. Oh the humanity!

I'm going to fill my yard with pinestraw and declare victory.

Sterile unnatural landscape at that. Lawns are a scourge (exception granted for places where lawn grass actually comes from.)

Toxoplasmosis is transmitted in dog shit (and cat shit). Young kids can pick it up easily by playing on areas that have had shit on them. This can cause scarring in the retina, which is rarely a problem, but more or an issue is if it's then passed on to pregnant women since it's pretty bad for the foetus and can cause blindness and serious birth defects.

There was a guy who used to let his dog shit on the verge outside my house every day, and when I asked him if he'd mind clearing it up one day he got abusive and threatened to set his dog (a doberman) on me. Next day I photographed him & dog mid-shit, reported him to the police and never saw him again. He probably just got a warning, since I was never asked to give evidence or anything, but it stopped the pile of shit outside my house appearing every day.

And if you're saying "what's the problem with dog shit?"... well, right back at ya. What's the fucking problem with picking it up, you antisocial filthy fucktards.

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!?

It's not about the lawn, its about you leaving your dogs shit all over the place. If your comfortable with dog shit, then have it shit in your own yard.


It is not a unreasonable request to not have someone leave their shit on your property.

Depends, if we're talking about letting the dog wander into the middle of the yard and shit on your lawn? Yeah that's being a dick. If you're talking about the strip across the sidewalk near the street? I think that's fair game as a poop strip. Otherwise why is it there? It's not like it serves much purpose. Also I think that letting the dog shit on places where no human would be walking is fine. High grass qualifies, or places with bushes or monkey grass. Also pine straw is usually cool if you cover it. The beach is probably questionable because you will probably dig up a turd in a sand castle at some point. Golf courses are a definite no go. Astro-turf is a grey area because it's not really grass. I mean if you can pick it up and shake off the turd, should we consider picking it up Do they field turf outdoors these days? Seems like more of a stadium thing. That's probably no dogs allowed though.

No, it doesn't depend.

Don't leave your shit in front of my house. If your happy with dog shit, pile it in front of your own home. As long the bit of land (whatever it may be, lawn, curb, sidewalk, rock garden) is my responsibility to maintain or a shared space (playground, soccer field etc), don't leave your shit around for someone else to clean up.


It's no different then someone deciding to just dump their garbage onto your lawn. Pick up your own shit.



Yes, I always throw my trash into a bin, and yes if there isn't a bin nearby I hold onto it till I find one.  :oh_i_see:

Everybody poops, dude.

Not on my lawn though.  :oh_i_see:

I agree with Fordel.  Don't let your dog shit on my lawn. 

My dog goes outside in the front yard on a cable and does all his business out there.  We pick it up regularly and don't have to worry about kids, so it's fine for us.

But goddammit if the next door neighbor's dogs pooping in our yard didn't make us rage.  Mostly because they were in the habit of just opening the door to let their dogs out unattended and the one time I mentioned it to the father, he was like "Oh, I never knew they left our yard"  (he was also a fucking moron though).  We said that their dogs had been pooping in our yard and barely got a sorry out of them.  It was like look dude, just because I have to pick up after my Golden regularly doesn't mean I want to pick up after your Sheltie, KC Cavalier and Shitzu as well, you know?  Besides, I -know- the areas my dog can reach on his cable and where to expect poop if I'm walking in the yard.  Your little fucking punt dogs just go anywhere in any yard on the street and you don't seem to care.  Too bad they walked away from their mortgage and moved before I got annoyed enough to call animal control on them.

So if you didn't own a lawn and instead owned a yard covered in pinestraw would this be an issue?

Is it about the lawn, or the dog. It's not about both, one has to be bigger than the other. Is it that the dog is shitting on my LAWN? Or is it that the dog is shitting on my PROPERTAH?

It's about being a responsible adult and cleaning up after your fucking animal.  I get angry seeing people letting their dogs shit on the sidewalks and streets too, and those aren't my property.  Same with the beach goers and park walkers who don't see any reason to pick up after their dog just taking a shit right there near the water or in the baseball field.  Be a responsible animal owner and clean up after your mess.

It's not limited to just animals.  When I see people tossing food trash on the ground, dumping their used motor oil in the parking lot of a business, taking a sofa\mattress out of their house and just leaving it in the middle of the street until it starts rotting, I get pissed.  Because "it's not my problem anymore!" isn't a good reason to just shit up everywhere but your own house and assume that someone else will come up and clean it once you run off.

So don't think of it as someone's pet coming and pooping in your yard, think of it as them dumping their leftover dinner in your yard.  "It'll decay" doesn't mean I want their trash\shit in my face.  Be responsible and put it in the damn trash can.

Set up a trap that detects the smell of dogshit and opens up a can of peanut butter.

The monkey is just throwing poop now.

How about it being a pile of exposed feces?  Seriously dude, are you posting through a time warp to the dark ages or some shit?

It's been fascinating to me watching Paelos have a transformation from a Christian to an American.

With this 'hey, I'm self entitled and I can shit anywhere I like, oh noes, wait, I'm just trolling' thread, I think the journey is finally complete.  Next up, getting him to piss on nuns.

I don't own a dog.   I won't because I don't want to be the one cleaning up after it before I mow the lawn and I know that's the ultimate endgame there, despite what the kids and wife said.   Yesterday I mowed the lawn for the first time this year and there were 3 piles of shit all over the front yard.  Not the treelawn, the goddamn yard. You bet your ass I'm willing to shoot whoever did that, or their dog because, fuck you, it's not my fucking dog so why am I doing your job for you.

Or throwing down their goddamned cigarette butts wherever they damned well please. 

Not Catholic, so that's not really a big deal for us. In reality, you're right I think it's totally ridiculous not to pick up after your dog. Part of living in a human society is not to shit on others. I just don't like lawns, and I like to poke at lawn owners.

Really they are just a fuck you to the world, as they've always been intended. It's a move by the rich in the past to prove that they didn't need to use their land to grow crops like everyone else. They had so much land that they could just grow manicured grass on it to prove how much land they had. Aren't we rich, they would say as they strolled their commons.

As I've said, if I get a front yard, I'm covering half in pinestraw and growing tomatoes on the other half. If a dog shits on my tomatoes, I would shoot it.

If it shits on your tomatoes, then it's fertilizing them!

Sure, if we compost it first. I'm pretty sure the regular version contains roundworm. Either way, I'm pretty sure I'd fence in tomatoes, so it's not a real issue.

What the fuck dude.

Lawns: The battleground of the Class War.

I picked it up when I was doing a previous academic paper on the origins of agriculture.

You may want to put it back down again.

You're so chipper lately. Its the lack of games isn't it?

It's the lack of everything, I suspect.

Times may have changed slightly.

Sure. It's the evolution of the lawn, though. It's just a vestigal part of classism that's become commonplace. Does it serve any purpose to keep a lawn? "Property values!" many would shout, but it goes further than that. The man with a good lawn is seen as a good member of society, while the man with a unkempt lawn is seen as a terrible neighbor and a bad dude. That slackass is driving down our values and letting his dog shit everywhere. I hear his daughter is a skank.

I'm with the monkey. Plus it's a bunch of space that could be better used for native flora, or growing something else that doesn't waste as much water, or has an actual use, etc.

EDIT: I bet a yard full of cacti won't attract nearly as much pooping action.

What if grass is your native flora, is it okay then?  :grin:

Cacti in Scotland.  There's a fucking thought.

Nothing says get off my lawn like cacti.

Thought you would appreciate this picture.

 :ye_gods:

Landmines. Automatic sprinkler systems that dispense pepper spray. Flamethrowers....

Oh, you meant "legally". Probably. Cacti are kinda ugly, though.

C'mon son, time to toss the ole pigskin in the cactus patch.  :oh_i_see:



Do you think Cacti and six months of snow mix?  :why_so_serious:

I said as much in my earlier post.  :oh_i_see:


Who plays catch in the front yard? That's where the neighbor dog is pooping, and where people set up their little sterile identical unused wasted spaces. A back yard is a different animal entirely.

It's only one step removed from a thistle.

We do here, since front yards don't have fences and we can toss them across a few yards that way.

Our Backyards are full of fruit trees, vegetable gardens and grape vines.



People pooper scooper their dog shit in my neighbourhood  :oh_i_see:

Given that I live well above the 10th floor of a highrise, it's sort of silly that I even think about lawns. Bugs don't even fly up here.  :awesome_for_real:

1.)  I love non-grass lawns.  Here in Emeryville/Oakland, there are many cool old houses that have small front lawns that are entirely wildflowers, thick bushes, cactus (Looks pretty damn cool actually), or even just a solid bamboo forest.  I think they look very neat, and I'd probably do the exact same sort of thing in that situation.

2.)  The anti-lawn hatred here is pretty god damn retarded, and frankly, out of touch.  If some of you have always lived in a very large city, then you've never had to room for any sort of lawn, so you probably don't understand.  But in much the rest of the country, there is plenty of room in the front lawn.  The front lawn is where my friends and I played as children.  The front lawn is where people throw neighborhood parties and events.  A nice grass front lawn feels great, and being a kid living in house without one just meant that I'd be spending all my outside time at somebody else's house.  For many people, its not ornamental, its practical.  Its a social area.  It feels nice.  The backyard is where everybody plants all the god damn tomatoes and keeps the livestock.

3.)  The dog pooping thing is about common decency.  Dog shit should not be left anywhere.  If you leave it on another persons property, your just adding insult on top of the crime.  If your dog shits in the street, the gutter, the park, ANYWHERE NOT YOUR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY, and you don't clean it up, then I'm fine with a hillbilly shooting you.  Please keep the commons clean asshole.

 :Love_Letters:

Fuck lawns.

Grew up in the suburbs - Fuck Lawns. And we didn't use it for playing as kids - we used the woods.

If you live in the country, it's not a lawn anymore. It's a meadow or a field. The hate comes from people who have lived in a suburb or a subdivision and the Napoleonic tyranny you face from busy-bodies on the HOAs trying to make everyone fall in line.

Grew up in a suburban neighborhood that lacked woods. We used everyone's backyard for 6-8 yards. Front lawns were for old people.

Added a poll.

For no reason other than the little "add poll" button was calling my name.

FIRST!

Fuck em.

We're in a subdivision, I won't ever do one again after we move in the next year.  Tired of the upkeep, trying to make it look decent, don't want to keep up with the Jonses.   Two houses down has been foreclosed three years ago and empty since, mowed once a year.  What's the point of me trying?

Once a year we get some renegade that attempts to not clean up after their dog, so I just scoop it up over to the sidewalk.  Folks get the point pretty fast.  Every year someone cleans it up at some point, too.  

Also, my first year in this house a woman let her dog crap in my yard and walked away.  I yelled over to her to clean it up and she walked away.  So I scooped it up and followed her home, put it in her yard.  I've never seen her even walk by my house since.  

It's just courtesy.  

Same here.  I'm very disappointed all my neighbors appear to be in love with fences.  We had a nice flowing area of about an acre and a quarter for kids to play in before the fuckers all fenced them off.   Now the kids just hop the fences and they grouse at each others kids for doing so.

I grew up somewhere that is not anywhere approaching a very large city. There was plenty of room on the front lawn, but we still never, ever played there. Backyards were where we did all the playing. The front was just ... the front. A waste, looking back. The backyard was huge, had great climbing trees AND grass to roll around in AND the tomatoes (which were up against the house and thus out of the way of most of our soccer playing and whatnot). The front just had boring ol' grass and the driveway and some non-climbing trees and bushes.

Lawns are fucking stupid.


EDIT:

Really, I should've just done this:

Man, you must have been some pretty narrow minded children.  We made use of the entire property, front yard and back yard when we played.  You need to learn to optimize your fun potential!  :awesome_for_real:

Then again the front yard is what had the best climbing tree, so we tended to gravitate in that direction.

I still find the emotion over this funny.  As a kid at least, a lawn has use because you can use it to play on (if you want).  A lawn with a bunch of bushes and straw is just something to look at.  I don't see how you could really come to HATE it.  Though perhaps my neighborhood was more communal than others.  If it was just me, my sister, and maybe my cousin visiting, we'd use the large backyard/front yard to run around in.  If its playing with other friends in the neighborhood, then everybody played out in the street and into every bodies front yards as a whole.  That tended to be the best and most frequent playtime.

Kids will play anywhere you let 'em. I'm also never going to have one. Thus: lawns are a complete waste of time/effort/water. And given you live in Drought Land, you should hate lawns too!


EDIT: Like, I don't mind grassy public parks and stuff. I realise there are good reasons to have large grassy areas. I just think front lawns are silly.

Parks: Good.

Fields: Good.

Meadows: Good.

Front lawns:  :mob: :angryfist: :tantrum:

We played everywhere, too.

Though I grew up on a court, so even the street was open season.  Front yards for the houses with a lot of space, back yards at others, the nearby woods were popular, ditches, neighbors' yards... it was all fair game.  But then the neighbors were almost all the same for the sixteen years I spent in that house.

We did not play on the front lawn, for it was manicured and landscaped and shit. Eventually the same happened to our backyard, plus a deck was added.

We mostly played sports in the streets/culdesacs.

It's pretty easy to hate when you have to mow it despite it never being used for anything ever. Although really for me as an adult it is more of an environmental thing.

What annoyed me, especially in NJ, is you would seen TONS of these little "landscaping" companies running around, burning up tons of fuel to run all their toys...just to mow someone's lawn. Not even big yards, either.

If I were to have a lawn of my own, I would use a push mower (yes you can still buy them, they actually seem kind of neat). As it so happens, next time I move my place will have a lawn. I'd rather let it rot, but since it won't be mine, I'll pay someone a few bucks a week to keep it presentable if not boring.

I can understand the environmental point, and its fair.  I'm just not THAT much of an environmentalist I guess.  Once we manage to tackle issues like how to stop destroying forests in mass, radiating half a country, and poisoning millions of peoples water supply, then maybe I'll start to care about lawns a bit.   :awesome_for_real:

Also, I come from drought land?   :headscratch:  I grew up in the half of the state that provides water to the entire other half!

Here, this is a view from a random small town in California, in the middle of the town.  In the interest of internet anonymity, I didn't grow up here (I grew up in one of the many small towns in the valley in a 50 mile radius around it), but it still represents what most neighborhoods look like in every town/city that isn't up in the hills/mountains in Northern California:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.530948,-122.199758&spn=0.006157,0.016404&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.530942,-122.199897&panoid=0_jQkrUVJPByeLaT01br0w&cbp=12,282.21,,0,7.06

Or here, this is in the middle of nearby Chico, which is a city with a population of almost 100,000.  Still pretty similar (though more tree's, because Chico has a lot of god damn trees):
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.739939,-121.844988&spn=0.006138,0.016404&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.739854,-121.844929&panoid=FsBE0kb6ZXBlNqeR-BytBA&cbp=12,327.99,,0,11.11

Still plenty of space for play in the front, and combined with the street and the neighbors lawn, a great area for all the kids in the neighborhood to use as a whole.

So this is kind of what I'm basing my assessment and experience on, because this is similar to how everybody in the entire region lived (obviously people who lived way out in the country had wider options).  I kind of assume that the rest of the rural US should be pretty similar, since they are even more old timey than California (my hometown just celebrated the centennial of its founding.  Wohoo).

How the fuck did you guys turn this into a lawn thing? I couldn't care less about lawns, I just hate dog shit and dog owners who leave it lying around everywhere!

There's a tiny wood near us, and it's gorgeous, a little slice of wild in the middle of a city, and it's ruined by having retarded dog owners letting their dogs shit on the paths and tracks. And there's loads of little bags of dog shit hanging from branches and in bushes. I mean ffs you've already picked it up and bagged it why not carry it 100 meters to the fucking DOG SHIT BINS the council puts at all entrances to the woods?

Keep the blades sharp and in good condition and that push mower will be easier to use and manage than a regular power push mower on 'normal' sized yards.  Weighs less, makes a better cut, and the swickswickswickswickswick of the blades is oddly soothing.  Having a nice lawn is more of a vanity thing.  Sure, I enjoy the work that goes into it, but more than that it is about one upping your neighbor and in general just making the street look nice.  And it is about property values and all that sort of thing.

I don't get why you wouldn't want to have a nice looking yard in the same way I don't get how you wouldn't want to keep a clean car (not new or "nice", but just clean), or well maintained inside of your house, or even just dressed sharply and not looking like a bum.  I'm not saying putting in a multithousand dollar sprinkler system with top of the line sod and fresh flowers everywhere, but at least throw some lime, fertilzer, and seed down for your grass and plant some shrubs or whatnot to add some color.

Besides...What looks better?
This?

Or this?

Is it a projection of image?  Sure.  But it's also taking pride in what you have and how you look.

Snake of all people I'd expect you to not give a crap and have a busted Camero in the front yard that you were working on painting crimson with a kickass tide logo on the front hood.

You redneck!  :awesome_for_real:

Pic 2.  There are trees.

So lawns? I fucking hate them. I firmly believe that if you spend more more than the cost of a new console video game for one cutting/treatment/whatever to keep them looking manicured and especially if you pay to keep them chemically treated to look unnaturally green, you are a goddamn fool who has too much money. You have invented ways to spend money on fuckall and epeen. You should have your gardeners fucking your wife while you're out, then shitting on your lawns and using that as fertilizer. I would rather gouge my own eyes out than work on a yard, especially to try to keep it perfectly manicured. I've got better things to do with my life.

However, I firmly realize I'm in the minority on this, especially in the suburbs, so I make every attempt to keep my dogs shit out of other people's yards.

When I was a kid, probably because we lived in more rural areas, we played everywhere, dog shit or not. Probably spent more time barefoot outside than we should have but you know, I survived. We let the dogs roam wherever they pleased for the most part. Now what pisses me off these days isn't dog shit on my yard, it's when some fuckhead lets his dog out without a leash to roam around the streets (and be in danger of being hit by the speeding shitheads who live in my neighborhood) and said fuckhead's dog rips open my garbage in my garage and leaves chicken bones and pieces all over the place. That gets my goat. I still wouldn't shoot person or dog over it, though.

Is it okay if I hate lawns AND dog shit?

It's my way of rebelling against my redneck upbringing!  :grin:

I'm willing to bet Strazos was thinking of this. (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=push+mower&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7GGIE_en&safe=active&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=5628317571887322326&sa=X&ei=GEabTfU8lMCwA8m5sYgE&ved=0CE0Q8gIwAw#)

He should have been thinking of THIS (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=push+mower&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7GGIE_en&safe=active&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=15819825325265187339&sa=X&ei=GEabTfU8lMCwA8m5sYgE&ved=0CFQQ8gIwBQ#)

The added bonus for those of us with hearing problems due to years of headphone use is that you don't have to have noise cancelling headphones or blare the music in your ear as you cut your lawn.

You can have a nice lawn without spending a shit ton of money on it or spending a ton of work on it.

I am currently working on getting our lawn into decent shape, not because I need to keep up with the neighbors, but because the lawn was neglected, and now whenever I mow I end up inhaling a shit-ton of dirt and leaves and shit that goes flying because the grass is sparse and not holding very well.  I'm not going to spend thousands of dollars and crap to do that, and you don't have to.

I have yet to see a no-grass lawn that I like the look of, so I'm not going to rip all the grass out.  Also, dog shit shows up more without grass.

You could just just till the dirt, toss a bunch of wildflower seed on it, and call it a day!

Also, if anybody needs some Kudzu, I'm sure I can ship you some. Problem solved.

(Disclaimer - Kudzu may eat your house)

Not really sure how feasible that is, since it's a really big yard (that wasn't why the house was bought, in fact that was a downside). 

Grew up in a neighbourhood of big 1.5 acre lots. Front half of ours was lawn, back half was wild. Every lot around us was a forest. Was fucking awesome as a young teenager.

As for the lawn itself, I hated mowing it - took almost an hour on a riding mower, and honestly we really didn't use the lawn much. Most sports stuff we did in the back on the wild grass, because it held up better and it was more private.

I don't really miss a lawn that much - I'd rather have a big deck. Do miss natural trees though - really hurts driving through the old neighbourhood and being able to see clearly from one end of the subdivision to the other.

I believe I can speak with some authority on the matter of lawns.

Fuck lawns.  The next step in lawn-science should to be genetically engineer asses for them, just so they can be fucked in their asses.

Also, fuck having the driveway in the back of the house via an alley.  Why am I sacrificing backyard space that my dog can play in for front yard that doesn't even get looked at except when checking the mail?

I'm just glad we don't have a HOA in the new place.  While I won't let the lawn go to hell, the last thing I want in life is a letter from some yard nazi telling me that my grass is .02" too long and must be cut immediately or they'll fine me and put a lien on my house.

I don't have an opinion on dog poo in the front yard, because we never, ever see it due to the aforementioned back-of-house driveway that we get to via an alley.  One day we went to check the mail and the front little garden/bush/whatever area was completely covered in 2-3' high spikey milk thistleweed things, and it was the first time we saw them.

I'd zeroscape if we could get away with it, but given the subdivision it would absolutely kill resale value and we're probably going to sell in a few years when I finish my undergrad and move on to opto school.

Here's the current state of my front yard.  I'm still working on improving the wildflower-to-weed ratio but I think even with the odd patch of burr clover or nightshade or (shudder) grass it looks a hell of a lot nicer than a lawn.  Not needing water is a plus too.


A big front yard would be a wonderful problem to have.  I'd probably plant a bunch of trees so I could feel like I lived in a forest.

That's awesome.

Lawns seem to be a big issue in the US. Does anyone care about their backyard?

Yeah, I've always loved houses that did that.  A number of people with large front yards back home would just turn it into a small orchard or something.

My back yard is a fucking ski slope. Im going to terrace it after putting french drains around the foundation to divert water away from the substructure.




This is my favorite post thus far. We live on the park as well, and people let their dogs shit all over the running track and the trails. I would shoot such people if I could.
 :drill:

Mine may eventually end up that way.  I'm taking out hard to maintain gardens and putting in grass for convenience (the former retiree owners had a lot of time to garden), but I'm encouraging fruit trees to grow.  The orange and grapefruit trees produce a ton of fruit already.  There is a young citrus, I think a lemon, in the back, and I'm letting a few of the loquat trees that started sprouting in optimal places grow.

Around the fish pond I'm going for a hodgepodge of southwest flora.  I'll probably get a few more sage bushes before I'm done.  They do well in high sun and without much water.

Merusk, I was actually thinking more along the lines of the latter of your links.

Also, next place will Probably come with some sort of green splotch of ground. I'll be a lessee, so I don't really have to care about resale value. I'll simply have to maintain it, which is what the $20/month gardener will be for.

If it were up to me, I'd pave the whole thing over for more driveway space.

Yes, that's exactly what the groundwater and storm systems need.  More paved land.  :facepalm:

I moved to CA from NJ, all of California is doughty as far as I'm concerned! :why_so_serious: But if you are from somewhere with plenty of water, you should resent all the lawns in the rest of the state stealing it.

Well yes, we do.  But we also begrudge sending it to them so they can bathe and drink, so the lawn is minor.  Get your own damn water!

Lawns...
(http://cdn.videogum.com/files/2010/01/triumph_insult_comic_dog.jpg)

I'm with the lawn haters, but still clean up the crap if it's not your own place. Hell, 5 acres here and we still pick up the poop if it's in a pasture within 100 feet of the house. Horse shit don't stick to your boots, dog shit does. With 3 dogs that total over 200 lbs., that's a lot of mess. It's more about people that don't really give a shit about their dogs. We'd never let our dogs go run about wherever they want to (not that they'd want to) and we're in the country.

When I was in Jersey with a lawn I wished I could just pave the entire yard, here I can just let it grow like it wants to.

I wonder if the poll split also matches the split in location?

By state or by city/suburb/rural?

By state I guess, but I mean more like by where people are in terms of weather, or the lack of weather with all those Californian folk.


Here in Southern Ontario, grass pretty much grows itself. Only have to water it yourself once in a while in the summer if the rain doesn't show for awhile.

Well, that solves the neighbours pets chewing on your shrubbery, but what do you do about them shitting?

Cultivate a colony of Fire Ants.  Fucking dogs wont shit on your lawn when the lawn may eat them.

Create a front yard that consists entirely of thick growths of Poison Oak.  Hide bear traps in it for good measure.

Here's a dog poo horror story to get this back on topic:

Last year our Strata president stood up during the AGM and had to advise everyone that it was not acceptable to hide dog poo bags underneath the elevator...

I'm not kidding. We had a service guy in to fix an issue with the elevator, and he found a mound of little plastic bags of poo at the bottom of the shaft. Apparently, someone couldn't be bothered to walk the extra distance to the garbage bins, and instead would stuff them through the crack at the front of the elevator.

See that's really using 2/3's of your ass. You are willing to bag the shit (the tough part) but not walk it to a can. I'd rather you just leave it there than dump shit in the elevator shaft. You've taken a problem and went out of your way to make it worse.

If you are going to bother not dumping the shit in the trash, why the fuck would you take the effort to pick it up in the first place?

Because it wasn't about laziness.  It's about making a big ass mess. 

It's like hiding a shrimp tail in your buddy's car seats, or behind his desk at work.  Which is all kinds of fun, let me tell you. 

There's a lot of rage in my neighborhood over this. The way Akron boomed at the turn of the century made for houses packed against each other for everyone but the ultrawealthy. Lots of people's back doors open into other people's front yards or back patio. I've had the problem with my neighbor's two norwegian elk hounds considering my front yard to be their territory.

That being said, only in America will people get enraged at the thought of an animal pooping and peeing outside. Seriously America, some things just really need to be put into perspective.

Really not true, it's not a national thing. Read the thread, I'm not American and I and many other non-Americans get equally enraged. The difference is we live in countries with sane gun laws and thus rarely shoot each other over shit.

And how do you, in your first sentence, explain and recognise the problem and even comment on your own experience of it, and then dismiss it as some kind of national stereotypical hysteria in your second sentence? Make your mind up!

Lawn haters are winning the polls. Take that society!

How would I know where any of you are from? It's not like I'm going to check out the profile of everyone in the thread. If you don'r want to be assumed to be an American take a hint from Tebonas. Drop the South Park icon and use a picture of your country with an arrow pointing to it. Also, seeing a problem or having it happen to me doesn't mean I can't put it into proper perspective. I can appreciate why someone with OCD would be worried about turning off the stove and have forgotten to do it myself, bu that doesn't make it reasonable to spend 3 hourse checking that it's off over and over again before I can leave my house.

I am agreeing with you as hard as I can.

See I don't know if anyone in this thread empathising with the dog shit shooter wants little indoor toilets for pets because they're so offended by the idea of animals defecating outside. I think the issue is that if your dog shits somewhere that's your responsibility to clean up same as if you decided to drop rubbish bag somewhere. Of course the difference being the relative horribleness of a bag of rubbish a pile of shit. The problem isn't dogs shitting on your lawn it's you having to go out and clean it up when it's not your dog. Really I don't see it being different from littering and if this story was about someone shooting their neighbour over the neighbour unapologetically using the front lawn as their rubbish dump would you be talking about some sort of prudish American sensibilities regarding rubbish?

Actually, I think if you are so goddamn anal you have to clean up dog poop in your yard instead of letting it do what it does naturally, I don't want you armed with a firearm anyway.  :awesome_for_real:

If you've never lived in the desert for any period of time, you don't know how long it truly takes for poop to go back to the earth sans water.  It hardens and sits there.  For years sometimes.

Did I just hear Haemish be ok with taking a shit in his yard because it'll just dissolve anyway? I think I did.   :why_so_serious:

Hey, no harm no foul.  :why_so_serious:

I'm one of those crazy loons who ranks "Has Water" near the top of requirements for where I live, just below "Has Air" and above "Not on a flood plain". And I don't mean just water that comes out of a tap. We get about 6-7 months where it rains here, and another 2-3 where it snows. It takes about a week or two for it to be gone here.

That being said, people who live in deserts are dickbags and should move to someplace they won't die if the electricity goes out for a week. Arizona, I'm looking at you.

Think of them as individuals you don't have to worry about competing with when everything falls apart.  Given a couple of years and good supplies for expeditions, they're even providing free loot.

Arizona is too far from Cleveland for an expedition. Plus you'd have to cross the greater wilds and face the nomadic cannibals of the plains, THEN get across the Mountains.  Burning Atlanta again would be more profitable.

We're ready for you this time, Yankee.