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Title: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: eldaec on February 12, 2011, 12:12:11 AM size doesn't matter
reported by CCP Soundwave | 2011.02.10 17:29:06 | Comments The past releases, Team Best Friends Forever has been working on large features, our latest being Incursions. Next release will be different though; next release we'll be trying to track down all the small things that annoy you and working to correct them. Of course, it wouldn't be necessary choose between feature bloat and continuous improvement if it wasn't for the vast majority of staff being assigned to the ridiculous space barbie concept. But that aside, one must be happy with what one can attain, and given the circumstances this is broadly good news. Title: Re: Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: MahrinSkel on February 12, 2011, 01:00:43 AM Translation: We're going to stop breaking shit and using Eve as our technology testbed, and actually fix some of the old stuff we broke and never bothered to deal with before.
--Dave Title: Re: Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Gets on February 12, 2011, 03:06:41 AM Quote We've re-balanced officers so their difficulty reflects their value more. Can't wait for the hilarious botting lossmails. Title: Re: Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: ajax34i on February 12, 2011, 04:45:06 AM Translation: We're going to stop breaking shit and using Eve as our technology testbed, and actually fix some of the old stuff we broke and never bothered to deal with before. --Dave Well, they're currently changing / revamping core server software components, so I read this more as "we're going to try to fix some of the shit you players are whining about, to shut you up for when the new bugs hit." Title: Re: Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Numtini on February 12, 2011, 06:21:22 AM Did I miss something or does this mean walking around in stations isn't going to be ready for a while?
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: eldaec on February 12, 2011, 07:50:46 AM Actually this shit is all listed for deployment on tuesday - seems they actually mean just this mini patch is free of pointless feature bloat.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on February 12, 2011, 09:23:13 AM When will the "there are only blues on this grid, stop shooting neutrals they're friendly! STOP SHOOTING!" bug be fixed?
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Phildo on February 12, 2011, 11:42:15 AM Shortly after you're able to make an overview that only shows war targets.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Setanta on February 12, 2011, 03:22:22 PM I haven't been paying attention to the notes for some time - did rockets get fixed and ass-frigs get their missing slot (I think it was ass-frigs that seemed to be missing one)?
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Kitsune on February 12, 2011, 03:44:07 PM Rockets were buffed, assault frigates were not.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Brolan on February 12, 2011, 04:24:22 PM I'm still waiting for something simple, like having a skill queue where you can load a bunch of skills, without that damn 24 hour rule. And smart enough to not reject skills if the prerequisite skills are in the queue.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Thrawn on February 12, 2011, 04:31:20 PM I'm still waiting for something simple, like having a skill queue where you can load a bunch of skills, without that damn 24 hour rule. And smart enough to not reject skills if the prerequisite skills are in the queue. With how long it took to get ANY queue I wouldn't hold my breath for the current one being made even less interactive. :uhrr: Although the prereq thing would be nice. :P Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: eldaec on February 13, 2011, 12:38:52 AM The thing I hate about the 24 hour rule is that it is annoying as hell on a new character when everything you train is still 3 minutes 25 seconds.
It stops being a problem after 10 million or so skill points when you always have a 3 week level 5 to stick on the end of 24 hours of smaller skills. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Gets on February 13, 2011, 01:19:57 AM Ungrateful people, itt.
Title: Re: Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Sir T on February 13, 2011, 02:05:35 AM Did I miss something or does this mean walking around in stations isn't going to be ready for a while? *dies of shock* Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Phildo on February 13, 2011, 06:24:23 PM The thing I hate about the 24 hour rule is that it is annoying as hell on a new character when everything you train is still 3 minutes 25 seconds.. Or you could be smart and have one skill that you set to level V at the end of each queue and keep pushing back until you're ready for it, in case you miss a day here and there. Even one day old characters might want to start grinding away at Electronics V. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Lum on February 14, 2011, 03:33:52 PM Someday, Cruise Missiles V, you will be mine! :angryfist:
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: eldaec on February 15, 2011, 06:47:56 AM When will the "there are only blues on this grid, stop shooting neutrals they're friendly! STOP SHOOTING!" bug be fixed? This never happens to me, I'm starting to suspect it is just an excuse to shoot dbrb. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on February 15, 2011, 06:59:53 AM It's never boat that's neut though, always some scrub from some other alliance. vOv
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Endie on February 25, 2011, 08:17:41 AM Holy crap they seem to be genuinely serious about incarna: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=860
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Thrawn on February 25, 2011, 08:38:50 AM Holy crap they seem to be genuinely serious about incarna: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=860 Seems like it will be cool the first time you look at it, and after 5 minutes the novelty will wear off and you will never use it again. But it could have some good potential if they expand on it, I already can imagine corp recruitment adds you can view in your quarters from Goon recruitment scammers. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on February 25, 2011, 08:55:42 AM "If they expand on it".
Gee. I wonder where I've heard that phrase before. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Numtini on February 25, 2011, 10:01:25 AM Incarna is Second Life for Eve.
People don't want to look at an avatar looking at a corp recruitment advert on a avatar-tv screen in an avatar-room. They want to look at a corp recruitment advert in a window, preferably in a browser window out of game. Almost every killer app for Incarna is a great idea, but belongs in Eve gate. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on February 25, 2011, 10:22:20 AM Second life? And we can't even make it rain penises? :cry:
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: eldaec on February 25, 2011, 10:36:28 AM You clearly don't fly a thorax.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on February 25, 2011, 11:51:55 AM I used to, but thoraxes don't fit around inside stations. Sadly.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Brolan on February 26, 2011, 07:26:14 PM Is this going to end up like STO, where I have to pointlessly memorize and run around stations to do what I want, instead of clicking on a handy interface? I'm thinking all this effort could be used to clean up old bugs and bring up the ship models to the standards of the Primae and Noctis.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Numtini on February 27, 2011, 06:30:24 AM Quote Is this going to end up like STO, where I have to pointlessly memorize and run around stations to do what I want, instead of clicking on a handy interface? I'm thinking all this effort could be used to clean up old bugs and bring up the ship models to the standards of the Primae and Noctis. Thta's been my fear, though with me dating to E&B not STO. The CSM told them in no uncertain terms that this was not what players wanted, but promises that the interface would remain the same have now drifted to stating it won't take any more time to do things than previously. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Sir T on February 27, 2011, 10:39:33 AM Which probably means that once you have run to the right shop that has the service you want, things will take the same time as previously. And they will have to have no collision detection in stations or people will simply have their accounts blocking access to the in station services to everyone else 23/7, so you will have 10 people sharing the same body and people screaming about lack of realism
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: eldaec on February 27, 2011, 11:22:17 PM I suspect they mean that you access the existing ship spinning functions from the horrible 'cabin' interface they've been showing off.
If you think of one of those crappy 1990s menu systems where you pick a function by clicking randomly on indistinguishable objects or doors you'd be in the right area. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Vedi on February 28, 2011, 12:51:13 AM (http://toastytech.com/guis/bobhome1p.png)
Eve Bob? Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Endie on February 28, 2011, 01:07:06 AM Which probably means that once you have run to the right shop that has the service you want, things will take the same time as previously. And they will have to have no collision detection in stations or people will simply have their accounts blocking access to the in station services to everyone else 23/7, so you will have 10 people sharing the same body and people screaming about lack of realism They've said the remaining means of doing everything necessary to fly your spaceship will remain. So no. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: IainC on February 28, 2011, 01:25:01 AM I used to, but thoraxes don't fit around inside stations. Sadly. That's what she said.Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on February 28, 2011, 01:45:38 AM They've said the remaining means of doing everything necessary to fly your spaceship will remain. So no. Technically they've also said that the dominion sov system would have treaties etc. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Endie on February 28, 2011, 03:13:33 AM They've said the remaining means of doing everything necessary to fly your spaceship will remain. So no. Technically they've also said that the dominion sov system would have treaties etc. That inability to go the extra mile is exactly why we're safe. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on February 28, 2011, 03:16:31 AM So basically they're announcing "a cockpit interface", and 2 months before release they realize that it's too awesome to be released in one patch, deferr that and leave the updated living area and the old interface, and vow to release the updated interface in the next patch, then summarily lose it in the backlog.
I can live with that in this case. :grin: Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: eldaec on February 28, 2011, 03:45:20 AM They've said the remaining means of doing everything necessary to fly your spaceship will remain. So no. Technically they've also said that the dominion sov system would have treaties etc. That inability to go the extra mile is exactly why we're safe. It was a long time ago they said you could ignore space barbie if you only wanted to play eve. The captain quarters deg blog fairly strongly implies that it replaces the station menu, and that the old promise has been downgraded to "it won't be much slower". Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Gets on February 28, 2011, 11:48:51 AM I have to load the Captain's Closet every time I dock?! I'm already fucking annoyed that everything has to turn black when you leave the ship spinning simulator.
It would be like having to turn on all the lights and home appliances when you walk into your house and to leave you'd have to dive headfirst out the window with your eyes closed. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on February 28, 2011, 12:34:34 PM I'm guessing the "turning black" isn't in any way shape or form related to your client-side performance, and everything to do with how the node perceives you.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Gets on March 01, 2011, 05:08:10 AM Still, there is no reason for the chat interface to go hidey-ho at least.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on March 01, 2011, 06:12:36 AM Very true. That does annoy me as well, as I probably either want to read/type something while I undock, or I suddenly remember I didn't check local or something silly like that. My point was just that the length wasn't dependent on the client, so you'll probably see very little difference in how long it takes.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Gets on March 15, 2011, 10:26:52 AM Little Changes Update: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=878
Quote Time for another Little Things update! For those that don't know what Little Things are, it's a project that Team Best Friends Forever is working on, focused on smaller changes to the EVE universe. Instead of working on a big single feature, we're trying to weed out all the small day to day things that annoy players (that's you!). This coming release, you'll be getting the following small changes: We're making player portraits available in the following windows - Trading, giving money, chat invites and objects in space. Hopefully you'll be able to see the portrait and go "yeah, this guy looks legit". When you create a fleet, you're made squad commander automatically, so you don't have to move around manually. As a part of the "equal value space makes this game boring" initiative, we've changed the way anomalies work. The quality of anomalies will depend on the systems truesec - the better the truesec, the better the spawns. CCP Greyscale is writing a blog on this exact change, coming soonTM The input boxes in the industry window now has room for more digits, meaning small item manufacturing will actually allow you to see the entire number. We've added the system name to outposts, so you know where you're buying from. This will hopefully prevent me from buying items in hostile stations while drunk. NPC jamming has been updated and streamlined. They should all work with the same functionality and you can fit countermeasures. In other news, jamming NPCs are still annoying. We've added more default overviews. Instead of having "default" and "mining, you'll now have "general", "pvp", "WarpTo", "loot", "mining", "drones" and "all". Hell yes. Since boarding a ship to strip it is too much work, we've added the ability to strip fittings from unpiloted ships. 0.0 truesec will now be displayed in the same way empire truesec is. Since this information is basically available to anyone with the internet (that means you). Removing bookmarks can now be done from the right click menu in space. Having to go through people and places was a damn hassle and hopefully this will improve bookmark usability. Instead of having a separate column in the fleet finder for the fleet boss standings, it's now a small standings box in the boss portrait, much like you're used to from chat channels. Ever had 8000 items to repackage and one broken item which breaks everything? From now on, items that cannot be repackaged won't stop the entire repackaging operation. Clicking the picture of another pilot will bring it up in a larger version. This feature is part cool, part creepy. Loot logging has been enabled by default. User statistics show that the majority of fleets have this on, so we decided to remove an annoying pop-up window. Your ability to be a jerk and steal from your friends still remains intact though. When using the autopilot, your waypoints will be highlighted so you can see where on the route they are. This owns. If you like Incursions and are seeking likeminded partners for long walks on the beach and shooting Sanshas, go ahead and join the "incursions" public channel, found in the channel folder. Your personal ship fittings are going to be stored on the server, giving you the same functionality available to corp fittings. This means access to your personal fittings, regardless what computer you're using. Newbie missions have 180 days expiration and you cannot lose standings for declining, quitting or timing out. If you decide to re-activate a trial, hopefully this puts you in a better position to come back to the game. That's what we have for you this time around. We have a few special things in the works (one of which starts with "b" and ends with "lueprint") , so stay tuned for the next update. Toodles, Soundwave Delve became worth something again. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on March 15, 2011, 10:37:58 AM SirMolle rushing back to take delve in 3... 2... 1...
Also, "Your personal ship fittings are going to be stored on the server, giving you the same functionality available to corp fittings. This means access to your personal fittings, regardless what computer you're using." Fuck yes. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Comstar on March 15, 2011, 10:58:51 AM SirMolle rushing back to take delve in 3... 2... 1... Doesn't IT still own large parts of Delve? Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Sir T on March 15, 2011, 11:04:03 AM All 534 of them. From 3 corporations. (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/IT_Alliance/corporations)
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Sir T on March 29, 2011, 11:52:36 AM Yet another eve video featuring combat utterly unlike the actual game has been released
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mlVuLs_Nw Features lots of Dust and Incarna. And since when have Dreads been escorted by anything other than by 30+ other cap ships? And dreads getting beaten up by stealth bombers? EVE FOREVER! You can die in stations! Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tmp on March 29, 2011, 12:08:57 PM And since when have Dreads been escorted anything other than by 30+ other cap ships? And dreads getting beaten up by stealth bombers? They are accounting for mudflation. By the time this video becomes reality the dreads will be equivalent of current cruisers.Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: ajax34i on March 29, 2011, 01:04:02 PM Lots of ways to pick apart that video:
- stations are currently much farther away from planets, but ok let's say they bring them closer and make the planets look that nice. - the guy who gets killed is pushing buttons and apparently activating that dread's guns, yet he seems to be in the station rather than in his ship. - there are no planetary defenses. - the DUST merc is talking directly to the EVE pilot via in-game comms. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: UnsGub on March 29, 2011, 01:34:28 PM - the guy who gets killed is pushing buttons and apparently activating that dread's guns, yet he seems to be in the station rather than in his ship. They want players walking in everything. It just takes time to implement it. They are releasing the most basic one person in one room as soon as they finishing it. Stations, POS, Ships, Corps, all structures (Sleepers, Missions, agents in space, etc) are on their road map. Some upcoming trading will only be in person. No market or contract system. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on March 29, 2011, 01:38:51 PM I remember the first thing I thought when I saw that video. "Oh god yes, please let me take my frustration with console players out on them, I'll happily train up for a dread if I can just take out my frustration on console players." :grin:
Obviously, while EVE is all about griefing other players, I doubt they would want Dust players to get fucked with by bitter PC players like me, because I would be dedicated in that task. That's if they're still even going to release Dust within the next 5 years. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: ajax34i on March 29, 2011, 01:49:29 PM They want players walking in everything. I know, but it still doesn't make sense. If the guy is in his own ship (on the bridge), what does that say about his ship security? What does that say about 2 different players being in the same ship? Supposedly, the chick could steal the dread after she shoots the pilot, and if it's THAT easy, then it's a bit more interaction between EVE and DUST players than CCP originally said. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Setanta on March 29, 2011, 02:20:31 PM When I watched it I got the impression that he was in the station issuing orders to the fleet.
As far as CCP movies go, that one was shithouse. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Fordel on March 29, 2011, 03:50:17 PM Honestly, the ground game looks kinda fun, if generic FPS number 5236ish.
Of course, the video highlights why the ground game would be utterly meaningless :why_so_serious: "Fuck it, I'll just nuke it from orbit, to be sure!" Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: UnsGub on March 30, 2011, 10:26:41 AM If the guy is in his own ship (on the bridge), what does that say about his ship security? What does that say about 2 different players being in the same ship? You better trust the person you let on your ship. The more interaction between people the better is where CCP is going. If that interaction leads to already supported scamming, spying, blowing people up, etc. that is fine with them. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: eldaec on March 30, 2011, 10:56:58 AM Reality check....
I guarantee you will not be able to nuke consoletards from orbit. There is no way you will see dust before 2014 at the earliest. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on March 30, 2011, 11:12:43 AM I would still happily siege and bomb them to fuck if I could, because they're all ruining my FPSes. So fuck them. :grin:
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Sir T on March 30, 2011, 11:19:42 AM If the guy is in his own ship (on the bridge), what does that say about his ship security? What does that say about 2 different players being in the same ship? You better trust the person you let on your ship. The more interaction between people the better is where CCP is going. If that interaction leads to already supported scamming, spying, blowing people up, etc. that is fine with them. Reminds me of a rather famous chatlog from early eve Spikum > I joined m0o just short before Spikum > Reverent told me that he wanna check my scorp fitting and he need it to look at it Spikum > i gaved it him Spikum > then he kicked me out of corp Tachy > Spikum :) mOo is a great corp, isn't it? Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Simond on March 30, 2011, 03:38:14 PM Reality check.... And it will have desolate servers within three months of its launch (at best, and CCP won't know what the fuck.I guarantee you will not be able to nuke consoletards from orbit. There is no way you will see dust before 2014 at the earliest. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Darkin Ranova on March 31, 2011, 03:02:44 AM They definitely don't understand console new-shinny cycles. I don't see it being the next Final Fantasy or something. ...what hook are they going to have in a fps to do it?
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Kageru on March 31, 2011, 04:53:57 AM They seem to believe being tied into the strategy meta-game in Eve is a selling point. But it's not really because the populations are totally disjoint, they're more likely to resent one another than co-operate and there's no reason most console gamers will even care. It's actually a really confusing idea apart from the possibility they want to get into console game production and are using Eve to get noticed. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Sir T on March 31, 2011, 08:00:41 AM Just thinking about how you would try and integrate the 2 games. The only way would be to have a troop transport ship to transport the
And how would you prevent either side from just nuking the planet infrastructure during the battle anyway. That's what I would potentially order if I was losing and outnumbered. Which kind of leaves the whole ground battle totally pointless... Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: ajax34i on March 31, 2011, 12:26:51 PM My guess is that for the consoles they will revive Interbus so the FPS users can queue up and "be transported straight to the fight" by Interbus. As far as integration with EVE-the-space-game, which planets are open as battlegrounds will probably depend on sovereignty mechanics, and PI outputs may be affected by the outcome of the ground battle.
I doubt they'll allow orbital strikes from dreads. That part of the movie was probably along the same lines as that Nyx crashing into that station a while back; just a cinematic plot event. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on March 31, 2011, 12:46:27 PM Of course it is. Otherwise I would be the first to train up dreads just to ruin console players' day, and I'd be ferocious in that task.
RP-wise it wouldn't entirely be uncool if we did have the means and the need to transport troops there to take over the station or system or whatever, but I'm not convinced that console gamers are going to be catassy enough to actually deal with eve's ... particulars. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Furiously on March 31, 2011, 12:51:47 PM Of course it is. Otherwise I would be the first to train up dreads just to ruin console players' day, and I'd be ferocious in that task. RP-wise it wouldn't entirely be uncool if we did have the means and the need to transport troops there to take over the station or system or whatever, but I'm not convinced that console gamers are going to be catassy enough to actually deal with eve's ... particulars. I can see goons helping goons... in space. Or Reddit. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Kitsune on March 31, 2011, 02:01:31 PM Given the thousands of planets, there is no chance in hell that the FPS players can just wander to any and every planet in the game; no two players would ever lay eyes on each other. My bet's that there'll be new systems put into Eve with worlds set up specifically for the FPS people to populate, or some low number of existing systems will be converted over to this cause. These new worlds will have some sort of planet goo of grand profitability that can only be had by maintaining a hold on the planet, in order to encourage the players' interest.
There can be no way that the spaceships will be able to manually attack the planets. The Eve players would all immediately stop what they're doing and just bomb the shit out of the FPSers 24/7 for fun. What could happen is a variant of Planetside's orbital strikes, where if a ship is close to a world, the FPS people can call down an attack from the friendly ship. Having the targeting of the attacks in the hands of the FPSers is the only way it could possibly work, because I would just park a Geddon over a planet and randomly rain pulse lasers over everything if it was up to me. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Comstar on March 31, 2011, 03:37:12 PM How CCP will do it: Planetary bombardments against CONCORD rules and you will be attacked by CONCORD if you do so. :pedobear:
What the players will do: Suicide Dreadnoughts to run console players day :drill: :drill: CCP: :ye_gods: What CCP will do: No more insurance if killed by CONCORD. :heartbreak: What the players will do: Suicide Dreadnoughts to run console players day that cost more to do :drill: CCP: :ye_gods: What CCP will do: No more planetary bombardment. Players: Lets all go play Titan. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: ajax34i on March 31, 2011, 03:48:30 PM I think "You lose massive sec status if you participate in planetary bombardments" :heartbreak: might also be a step in that flowchart.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: tgr on March 31, 2011, 04:11:22 PM I think "You lose massive sec status if you participate in planetary bombardments" :heartbreak: might also be a step in that flowchart. Oh dearie me, my characters that never leave 0.0 will have a terrible sec rating forever and ever (since I give no fucks to ratting). Woe is me.I'd still plex up like fuck to suicide dreads to ruin console players' game. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: ajax34i on March 31, 2011, 04:16:13 PM Exactly.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Kageru on March 31, 2011, 04:34:50 PM They won't do anything that limits the console players enjoyment since they're a lot more fickle than the Eve addicts. I would expect they encourage Eve players to pay isk for "bounties" on other peoples space or the protection of their own. The game will be lobby based instance PvP because action needs to happen very quickly or the players will be bored. Victory means you get the bounty and the PI setup gets somewhat or fully trashed in the process. There is zero chance Eve players will get to directly participate (titan versus small arms is not amenable to balancing). So in theory Eve gets a new isk sink to avoid losing your POS fuel, Dust players can see planets swing to their control and you'll get mercenary "empires" in Dust linked to Eve powers. In practice though Eve players will try and avoid paying into the system, the Dust meta-game won't be valued, balanced or deep enough that they care (so player organization on the Dust side will be low) and the game will be either a flop (since this is CCP's first game in the console space) or be a mild success and fade after a couple of months. With maybe a "griefer" population of Eve players who have consoles and dislike some in-game power enough to play dust in an organized fashion to attack them. It could possibly work.... but there's an awful lot of points of failure even in the simple plan above. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Furiously on March 31, 2011, 05:03:10 PM Or they will never know who they are working for and just picking up bounties....
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: ajax34i on March 31, 2011, 05:32:48 PM Where does the plan to let EVE players manufacture the DUST arms and vehicles factor in?
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Kageru on March 31, 2011, 08:16:51 PM I hadn't seen that one. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Gets on May 16, 2011, 09:37:14 AM Mission agents changed. Social skills being refunded. Do we care? Not really.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Sir T on May 16, 2011, 10:02:12 AM The only social skill that people might actually give a crap about is the one that makes your security status go up faster when you kill a rat.
CCP NERFS PIRATES!! Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Endie on June 02, 2011, 07:42:39 AM Social skills are being refunded? Between the last (unspent) refund and this one my super pilot will probbaly have like 4 and a half million skillpoints to blow on stuff.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: eldaec on June 02, 2011, 09:39:42 AM He's talking about the last patch which got rid of redundant 'XXX Connections' skills.
You probably don't have any of the affected skills unless you bought them before you knew what they did. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Phildo on June 02, 2011, 11:26:45 AM Oh, is that why I mysteriously had a few thousand SP? Hah.
That was unnecessary though. If they're going to continue maxing income from missions, why not just make all level 1 missions give out the LP and reward from L4Q20 .01 sec agents and be done with the whole thing. Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Kitsune on June 02, 2011, 11:30:22 AM My mission running empire alt definitely had the LP-boosting skills. 40% more LP from a mission? Yes please. Those weren't bad skills at all to have. Especially given how much they're ransacking 0.0 income, that alt may be my primary income at this rate.
Title: Re: Not the Summer Expansion - supposedly free of pointless feature bloat Post by: Gets on June 02, 2011, 11:42:19 AM Those weren't bad skills at all to have. But you are a bad person for having them. |