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listen whats is so messed up is that this account here had same info and all i got was code of conduct so i want answer why did one account get a warning and my other account get banned.... this is not right

Thank you for pointing out our oversight, the matter has been corrected and a permanent suspension has been issued.  We apologize for any confusion.

I have called Xbox about this and they told me to place this post. I need to know what my son did to get banned, whether he has been hacked, or wheter this is a mistake. When he got home from school today he had an error message about the billing option on his account and it said he was suspended. But we have a family pack of accounts and he is the only one getting this message. His bio and motto also say code of conduct. Xbox live told me to post this info and reference number to determine whether it is a code of conduct suspension or a mistake. They said you could look up the documentation with the number. The affected gamertag is: UNS33N PROD1GY

Your son's account was suspended for sending death threats to Xbox Staff and also admitting to scamming Xbox users and hosting modified lobbies.

This is all very amusing and all but why the fuck are these not private? Is the Xbox team really that unprofessional?

Thank you for your time!!!!!!!!!! My name is CLYDE FRAZE my gamertag is C J McPOT i don't know why i've been suspended!!!!! I was playing cod:black ops zombies with friends of mine like usual!!!! Then message came up saying suspended til 2-8-11!!! I've been on xbox live for a long time and have never that i can recall anyways been warned for anything i have excellent internet speed with insight 20.0 and don't boost or anything i take my gaming very serious!!!! I've been a gamer since 86 and a loyal xbox gamer for 4 years i play every chance i get and spend alot of money to do so!!! So when i see a message from you at xbox saying i've been suspended and email has been sent i have not received any email and just want to know why so i know if i'm being suspended for the right reasons!!! I just want to make sure so that if it is something in my profile or my gamertag or anything that is easily corrected i can correct however if itis for something that is not me then i think i deserve to be playing my games online because i don't cheat or boost or use a modified xbox or anything that would reflect my gamertag and myself!!!!!!!!!!! Like i said i take my gaming very seriousaly!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE REPLY SO I KNOW WHY!!!!!!!!!!
                       
                                          CLYDE FRAZE   
                                       GAMERTAG: C J McPOT

PS: I JUST THINK IF ITS SOMETHING RELATED TO MY NAME PROFILE RELATED OR ANYTHING EASILY CORRECTED YOU  COULD HAVE JUST MESSAGE ME LIKE YOU DO WHEN I SPEND ALL KINDS OF MONEY ON MS POINTS AND YEARLY SUBSCRIPTIONS AND I WOULD HAVE JUST  CORRECTED THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF GOING TO AN EXTREME AND SUSPENDIND ME WITHOUT A WARNING OR ANYTHING FOR A WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS

You were suspended because almost every word in your profile was either profanity, a derogatory term, or related to violence

The volume of people banned and appeals, I'd say this is the best route.

Entertaining too.

Edit: Spend 5 minutes on the forum, Trippy. You'll see what I mean.

MY OTHER ACCOUNT GOT BANNED FOR EVER JUST BECAUSE I WAS EXPRESSING FREEDOM OF SPEACH THE OTHER ACCOUNT NAME IS GOKER555 AND I WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET THE ACCOUNT UNBANNED

Actually, no.  Your account was permanently suspended for the harassment of Xbox LIVE staff.

The First Amendment of the Constitution for the United States of America only applies to government censorship, not to private enterprise.  Microsoft, as a private entity, has the right to choose what is and is not acceptable on their service.  This is outlined quite clearly in the Code of Conduct and Terms of Use.  Sending a direct message to anyone wherein you express your severe racism, homophobia and use excessive profanity is grossly unacceptable, and warrants a harassment suspension.  The fact that you decided to send it to me, on top of that, shows a distinct lack of judgement and common sense.

The suspension will stand as issued.  Further contact with Xbox LIVE employees or violations of the Code of Conduct will result in addional action being taken against your accounts, consoles, forum use or person. Cheers.
Cheers!

Xbox LIVE Policy Enforcement Team

My friend modded my gamerscore a while back and what happened is that it got reset. When it got reset all my game data had been corrupted. I tried to make a new account so I switched my e-mail address to a new account but, I figured out you cannot transfer licenses to a new account so what I did was switch back the e-mail address and the stuff weren't corrupted anymore. I modded something for my avatar skin color, eyebrow, hair, etc. and after purchasing a pair of shorts on the avatar marketplace and after I left it I didn't have any Bio, Motto, Gamerpic, etc. When I go to play Halo: Reach I can't change any settings and it gives me a message saying that it can't save any information to my memory unit and it may be because I don't have it plugged in properly.

I got a reference number after calling someone from XBOX Live, The number is: 1148083163
Please try to fix this problem, Thanks.

After reviewing your post, you have blatantly admitted that you have modded your avatar. Your account has already been subject to action taken against it, due to your gamerscore being modded, as is illustrated by the cheater mark on your public profile on xbox.com. You have posted in the Policy Enforcement Team's forum (the team that enforces the rules on Xbox Live), stating in no uncertain terms that you have indulged in systems tampering, which is a violation of the rules subject to a permanent suspension of an account, with no potential for dispute. Looking at your avatar, neither your skin nor hair color are available through the Avatar Editor. I apologize for any inconvenience, but we will not be able to assist you with your Halo: Reach issues. Considering that you have outright admitted to modding your avatar, and your profile confirms this fact, your account is permanently suspended for systems tampering, which is a violation of the Code of Conduct and Terms of Use. The suspension will stand as issued with no possibility for appeal.

Hello Legal Dept, First off, my motto on coffindweller27, "Dead Girls Are Easy" is my favorite song by The 69 Eyes. Lead Singer is Jyrki69, drummer Jussi69 from Finland. If you note my name It says Jasonn69. Put 2 & 2 together. I know you have your rules and I've seen how you respond to your customers on here and I will be treated with respect as I will do the same. I have toured Iraq 4x, Afghanistan 2x. I'm a medic/ firefighter, this is ridiculous to convict the accused without fair notice (which in the code of conduct you state: you do not have to give prior warning)but how long will you jump to conclusionns and convictions without fairly investigating the reasoning. This is considered under the first amendment as freedom of speech/ expression. Mine is a song, so what. Dont look at my private info. The internet is a global place of interaction where filters are meant to be used by the hosting community. This is overboard and to censor me by suspension over something in which you never inquired, is completely unfair and against the U.S. Constitution in which YOU do not override. I have served my country, fought for it's rights & I still serve to this day. Even though it is a suspension up to 02/02/2011 it needs to be lifted immediately. I would rather sell my Xbox and get a PS3 where the Network Community is free. I cannot access my Netflix account which is wrong since I pay for it seperately. Whats the point of having an Xbox you cannot use? Or fear of punishment and persecution. I suppose it is interpreted differently, but I didn't write the song. I like it and now I have to explain myself. You need to find a better way of communicating with your customers (because we pay, if you run us off you get no check)I do not mod, try to make MS Points or cheat. I am a fair player and I treat everyone with respect. You did not know the meaning of my motto and reasoning and this is my explanation. I will even do the honor of posting the link to it. If this isnt lifted then you are singling me out. Because I have a logical explanation. Vampire (The 69 Eyes are "vampires" in their vids)+ dead girls= coffindweller27. Hopefully this will be seen in reason and understood and I will be treated with the respect that I deserve, as will you. I respecfully and patiently talked to support for 1 hr & 27 mins. Now just do this much, I will remove it, but i cannot until it is restored. Link below is "Dead Girls Are Easy" by "The 69 Eyes" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7t__1uLXyM Start communicating with those of us with a possible logical explanation and not run straight to a conviction. I have never been in trouble and this is bogus. So a little help and let me know what I am spending all my money on for points & Xbox Gold I have seen names like [Mod Edit]. Those are the things that are serious matters. What of those? So if I post im a soldier and I KILL FOR MY COUNTRY will I be suspended because its true or what? Wheres the difference between that and the song name? Thank You, Jasonn69

1. A complaint was filed, the information was sent to us, we found it valid and issued a suspension.

2. There is always someone doing something worse, this does not make minor violations any less valid. We enforce all aspects of the Code of Conduct.

3. Regardless of its origin, it implies necrophilia and is therefore a violation of the Code of Conduct and Terms of Use.

4. The Terms of Use is a legal contract you agreed to upon signing up for this service and states that in order to use this service, you must by abide by the Code of Conduct.

Don't create a gamertag, profile content, Avatar action, Avatar content, or in-game content that other users may be offended by. This includes, without limitation, anything related to or suggestive of: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities.
5. The Constitution in regards to 'Freedom of Speech' states the following:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

6. We are not Congress, we're a private business and enforcement action upon this account was well within our legal rights given the contract agreed upon and the profile content.

I did some TF2 and that was about all I could take. Friends only after that.

Wow.  Don't alter your avatar or gamertag.  Permaban for that. 

Seriously...How stupid do you have to be to risk a ban for changing your avatar's skin color?

As you admitted here you were permanently suspended for your modified avatar.  However, in addition to that your bio read as follows, "1600 or $5 PayPal For 10th WaW 100% Legit www.youtube .com/(Mod Edit)" not only violating the Code of Conduct for selling services but also cheating.  Oh, and that was after your previous 6 profile suspensions.  

True, your account was recently suspended due to the bio being inappropriate content which would have been a temporary suspension...

However...

Back in July, 2010, your account was permanently suspended as you are well aware.  Temporary suspensions do not override permanent suspensions. So your account's suspension should be lifting around 12/31/9999. You may not inquire about this account again until 1/1/10000.

Wow, TF2 on a console?  :uhrr:

ok so last month i put a 1 year membership on my account to come on today and find out i was banned untill 31/12/9999 so i am here to find out why i believe that there are no recent suspensions on this account therefore it should not have being a 9999 ban also this is the reason i have being gone to ps3 free membership and also they dont abuse there powers of banning people as i have put a 1 year live on this account and now i dont have any 1 month or live left so unless you can transfer it to my new account called TabletopPrune07 or i am staying with ps3 i pay £40 a year which is $60 to play and not even been on 1 month and perm banned enforcement team abuse there powers to much maybe a 2 week ban i would accept. the gamertag i was banned on was iRosssssss x and dont hit me with the usall bs cheating etc as i know i havent so be straight up and just say you abused your powers and reduce the ban to 2 weeks at least.

You claim you haven't cheated, however, certain game's leaderboards beg to differ.  Oh, and that's a pretty avatar, how'd you get those colors........

http://live.xbox.com/en-US/MyXbox/Profile?gamertag=iRosssssss%20x

Little allowable hacks lead to bigger hacks. Much easier just to draw the line and say no to everything.

Hmmm....I can understand almost everything they've been banning for. But...avatar skin color hacks? Really? That is such a big deal you get permabanned for it? Microsoft ought to open that up and make it into a new marketplace. Let users make stuff for the avatars and sell them.

Let users make stuff for the avatars and sell them.

Or MS should just sell the colours themselves.

Not sure what's funnier -- that the whole avatar thing has such restrictions in the first place, or that they'd rather keep wasting resources on chasing after people who side-step them, than lift the restrictions. Apparently people being able to have purple avatars with green hair would hurt the bottom line more?

Stupid people have no problem ousting themselves.

Not sure what's funnier -- that the whole avatar thing has such restrictions in the first place, or that they'd rather keep wasting resources on chasing after people who side-step them, than lift the restrictions. Apparently people being able to have purple avatars with green hair would hurt the bottom line more?

Hmmm....I can understand almost everything they've been banning for. But...avatar skin color hacks? Really? That is such a big deal you get permabanned for it? Microsoft ought to open that up and make it into a new marketplace. Let users make stuff for the avatars and sell them.

They don't chase these people down. A majority of their avatar bans come from reports or from their enforcers playing a game with someone bragging about it. Stupid people have no problem ousting themselves.

You mean like, "This guy is questioning his ban, lemme open up his file and check his profile and, oh, hey..."

Millions of man hours wasted just noticing blatantly obvious things!

You mean like, "This guy is questioning his ban, lemme open up his file and check his profile and, oh, hey..."

Millions of man hours wasted just noticing blatantly obvious things!

I fully endorse and support not only the bannings, but those forums. I don't see any wasted time in telling these fucknuts to STFU and eat a permanent ban based on what I saw in that forum. Especially the ones with purple skin and green hair.  :drill:

Thanks2MyFriend
    
Well as you can see by the topic i need help bad.My friend changed my achievments and didnt want him to he then continued to explain "dude you wont get banned dont worry i did it. . . . . " wow was that a lie i cant earn my achievments back and cant play with my friends i actually just think that might be the problem because thats what it said in the email My gametag is TThAcks you can email me you know it.  Just need help i dont even want all my achievment and Thank You xBoxLive TEAM while i played legit im not a cheater


Sorry I have a Stupid friend XBOX,
                                                     TThAcks  not         TT    hAcks

Your gamertag has the word 'hacks' in it.

Your previous history includes referencing system tampering as well.

You just admitted that your gamerscore has been altered (whether your friend did it or not, you are responsible for who you let have access to your account)...

And what we permanently suspended this account for was system tampering due to your modded avatar. This suspension will stand as issued.

Consequences are far more powerful when they're transparently revealed.

I wish I could track all the little cockholsters I have reported for racist bullshit or cheating. God it would be glorious to bathe in a river of their tears.

Two things really come to mind - one a question, the other an observation.

Has anyone else noticed how most of the "parents" that have posted on that site tend to type in the same illiterate drivel style that the idiot teens do? 4 out of 5 of them have something equally stupid as their gamertags/forum profiles. I have known a guy, pretty intelligent, same age as me, reads books from time to time and such even who you'd think was functionally illiterate from the way they type. Both on forums and in MMOGs. So while some of them may be real.. well...

The other thing - and I know it's obviously inflated online where it's somewhat anonymous and you can't punch these little shitbags in the throat, but is racism or racist language really that prevalent with 16-25 years olds in the US? During the short periods that I bothered to play online and wear a headset at the same time, I got called "A British" once, and a faggot probably 7000 times, but also "nigger" a really surprising number of times as well. Usually from a voice that hasn't had it's balls drop yet, but sometimes from a brodude who may or not also be a stoner.

racism - Yeah, "shocking" words and all that. I guess it's unusual to me since our racists tend to use different terms, and people with African ethnicity are relatively rare here.

The problem now is that nigger has become a lyric rather than "the N word", so most kids don't really perceive what it actually means to call someone that. They think it's what cool black people and rappers say to each other, where as the older generations know exactly how it came about and why it's never a good idea to say it.

Just like fag and retard. People would like to think they're insulting gays and people with disabilities, but to them it's just the same as calling someone an asshole. Or in Haem's case, a festering crotch pheasant.

The problem now is that nigger has become a lyric rather than "the N word", so most kids don't really perceive what it actually means to call someone that. They think it's what cool black people and rappers say to each other, where as the older generations know exactly how it came about and why it's never a good idea to say it.

I don't interact with kids much, but I really doubt this. Like Ingmar says, they may be saying it for shock value more than to actually be racist, but I think most people, even kids, know damn well what it means. They just don't care.

It's also become a part of internet culture to be a racist, homophobic asshole; it perpetuates itself basically because what kids hear other kids say, they repeat.

It's not just limited to kids.   

he does have absolutely no idea of 'appropriote humor' and is thus fond of quoting comics or movies lines at a very bad time. It might be funny when the guy on stage or on the TV says it, but writing it in your freaking english essay for school is just plain lunacy.

I quoted Samuel Coleridge in my last monthly report, does that count?

Kids, once they hit about 12, turn into crazy people. They're like bipolar. You never know if it's the 30 year old adult or the 3-year old tantrum that's going to show up, but you can rest assured they'll either be treating anyone older as they're too dumb to live, or at least need someone older or wise (the kid in question) to explain things OR....you'll get someone who throws tantrums like one of those damn pageant toddlers.

My wife says once they hit 15 or so, they sort of level out into just sorta dumb-asses.

But what's important to grasp here is that as late as 19 or 20 -- parts of kids brains just aren't hooked up right.

My dad always used to say that kids brain stems detach when they reach the age of 13 and they don't really grow back until at least age 21. So you're saying it's actually backed up by science?  :why_so_serious:

My dad always used to say that kids brain stems detach when they reach the age of 13 and they don't really grow back until at least age 21. So you're saying it's actually backed up by science?  :why_so_serious:

Sounds just like me. Buy him a guitar :)

Kids say "nigger" because it's the only word left that anyone besides their elderly grandmother actually refers to as "the (first letter)-word".

The problem now is that nigger has become a lyric rather than "the N word", so most kids don't really perceive what it actually means to call someone that. They think it's what cool black people and rappers say to each other, where as the older generations know exactly how it came about and why it's never a good idea to say it.

Just like fag and retard. People would like to think they're insulting gays and people with disabilities, but to them it's just the same as calling someone an asshole. Or in Haem's case, a festering crotch pheasant.

Sounds just like me. Buy him a guitar :)

But I do remember saying and doing a lot of stupid shit, and I also recall that a large portion was simply a reaction to being told or forced to do shit I didn't want to do. Whenever I was doing shit I was ok with, I was super fine and a normal human being.

Problem with that is most teenagers can't be trusted to just do whatever they want to do.

I find that the N word as well as the C word (Cunt for those of you not paying attention) are the last frontier in swearing in America.  When I was a child, shit was at least as bad as the word fuck is now.  Saying the word fuck anywhere near an adult up until the age of 12 would have gotten me beat within an inch of my life.  That held true for all the other kids in school, not just my parents.  Now I hear the words Hell, Damn, and even Shit very commonly on cable TV.  If we were watching a show and that stuff happened when I was a child in the late 80's or early 90's(and they didn't read posts by Ironwood or other British posters), the TV would be instantly turned and the program banned.  My parents were pretty much atheist as well..

Nigger and Cunt (along with some other choice racial slurs in a particular context) are about the only thing left that can actually generate emotion by swearing.  Which is why they take advantage of them (but unless they they are actually smart/nerdy/emo enough to watch British comedy, no the word Cunt).

Kids say "nigger" because it's the only word left that anyone besides their elderly grandmother actually refers to as "the (first letter)-word".

I deal with kids every single day, all day.  My observation of the interaction between parents and their children is that the apple doesn't often fall too far from the tree.  Kids may say and do things that their parents wouldn't say or do in public, but you can be damned sure that the parents are thinking those things or saying them at home. 

You want your kids to start swearing A LOT? Make them get a part time job.

Adults can't avoid seeing that teenage kids are tormented. So why don't they do something about it? Because they blame it on puberty. The reason kids are so unhappy, adults tell themselves, is that monstrous new chemicals, hormones, are now coursing through their bloodstream and messing up everything. There's nothing wrong with the system; it's just inevitable that kids will be miserable at that age.

This idea is so pervasive that even the kids believe it, which probably doesn't help. Someone who thinks his feet naturally hurt is not going to stop to consider the possibility that he is wearing the wrong size shoes.

I'm suspicious of this theory that thirteen-year-old kids are intrinsically messed up. If it's physiological, it should be universal. Are Mongol nomads all nihilists at thirteen? I've read a lot of history, and I have not seen a single reference to this supposedly universal fact before the twentieth century. Teenage apprentices in the Renaissance seem to have been cheerful and eager. They got in fights and played tricks on one another of course (Michelangelo had his nose broken by a bully), but they weren't crazy.

As far as I can tell, the concept of the hormone-crazed teenager is coeval with suburbia. I don't think this is a coincidence.

That would be Planet USA, where children are raised by TV and Xbox.

I forgot, no matter what a parent does, they're doing it wrong, and it's everyone else's business to tell you what a fuck up you've made your kid. And people wonder why I don't want any!

Hey LOOK!  Someone on the internet has an opinion with nothing but the breeze coming out of their ass to back them up.

Good job there.  I'm convinced.

Or, it could be vetted and proven hormones that cause them to grow 2 feet in 3 years and kick start their sex organs and the massive changes going on in their not fully formed brains

I like the part where he compared today's kids to kids in the MIDDLE FUCKING AGES. What a fucking retarded cunt.  :awesome_for_real:

Hey LOOK!  Someone on the internet has an opinion with nothing but the breeze coming out of their ass to back them up.

Good job there.  I'm convinced.

Or, it could be vetted and proven hormones that cause them to grow 2 feet in 3 years and kick start their sex organs and the massive changes going on in their not fully formed brains

Good to see well warranted criticism backed up by factual and to-the-point discussion of the flaws in the arguments presented.

I dunno... I think it would be awesome to have spent my 20's and 30's exploring the world and spending my future earnings doing fun stuff, then paying it all back by working until I was dead.

Instead of working until I'm 65 and only then having the free time only to no longer be physically able to climb a mountain.

They say them because in this day and age they won't get slapped in the mouth. Like they should be.

Beat your children.

I never liked that saying.  If the "old" suddenly gained all that youth they'd spend all of it making sure the world never changes.

I dunno... I think it would be awesome to have spent my 20's and 30's exploring the world and spending my future earnings doing fun stuff, then paying it all back by working until I was dead.

Instead of working until I'm 65 and only then having the free time only to no longer be physically able to climb a mountain.

For some reason my generation started the trend of not spanking and giving out trophies for showing up. It wasn't immensely popular, but it's caught on like wildfire.

I agree. For some reason my generation started the trend of not spanking and giving out trophies for showing up. It wasn't immensely popular, but it's caught on like wildfire.

I don't remember having to drop my pants for paddlings in school.  :grin:

Actually it was parents in the 80s that started it, typically Late-life Boomers. Gen X just picked up the torch and carried it.

Belts are really painful too (what I got when I was a kid), as are really thin wood sticks.

People are shocked nowadays, but the thing is, I didn't get the belt daily.  Only for MAJOR offenses.  Like, maybe a couple times a year.  Most of the time my parents would just threaten to belt me, and that was damn effective, and thus sufficient.

Probably about the same time jail became about rehabilitation instead of punishment, too. And when we stopped treating the insane in institutions and put them on the street. It's working great!

The problem with these discussions is that every kid is going to respond in their own way. You can't really say "well everything would just be better if we beat the kids more" because some % of kids will respond worse to that sort of discipline than to whatever other options there are.

I can't tell if you're deliberately being stupid or if you actually believe that the US is capable of running rehab programs for it's prison population.

No, if they say things like we are discussing, slap them in the mouth.

Talk to the people who think jail makes criminals into fine, upstanding citizens.

Unlocking this. I think one of us fat-fingered the lock button, sorry.

The US prison system doesn't do what you think it does.  Crisis averted.

Unlocking this. I think one of us fat-fingered the lock button, sorry.

My dad had the belt. My mom would use THE SWITCH. And you had to go pick out your own switch. If you don't know what a switch is, you didn't get beat right.  :drill:

When we were about 7 or so, she graduated to a Cattle Prod (the 8 or so D size battery kind).

Unlocking this. I think one of us fat-fingered the lock button, sorry.

This sounds super creepy, for a variety of reasons. 

Not really.  It had more to do with the fact that i think it was around that time that she broke one of the wooden spoons (split it length wize down the "spoon" part) paddling either me or my brother, and burst a blood vessel in the back of her hand while doing it.   She just figured that the spoon wasnt doing the trick and moved on to something that did.  I think we still have that spoon somewhere in the kitchen too.  I remember stirring something with it last time i was down home.

Not really. 

I should chart this thread to show the complete and utter decline from entertainment to den worthy.

... it will give them something to work out through abusing strangers on Xbox Live?

... it will give them something to work out through abusing strangers on Xbox Live?

I have no idea what I was watching, but there was some experiment where they got a special ops guy out target practicing.  He did a dry run and then he did a run with 3 guys on a couch at the top of the hill mocking him via x-box live interactions to his headset.  He actually shot better (by imagining, I suppose, them on the targets.)

Not like anything scientific, but amusing.  When the host asked if he wanted to meet the guys, they started panicking (No no no! He's got a GUN!)

George Carlin -Child Worship (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wOt2iXdc4)

I have no idea what I was watching, but there was some experiment where they got a special ops guy out target practicing.  He did a dry run and then he did a run with 3 guys on a couch at the top of the hill mocking him via x-box live interactions to his headset.  He actually shot better (by imagining, I suppose, them on the targets.)

Not like anything scientific, but amusing.  When the host asked if he wanted to meet the guys, they started panicking (No no no! He's got a GUN!)

I give you a forum full of dipshits getting banned, and you pack of elderly goats turn it into a "kids these days" rant thread and ruin it. I hate you guys.

Don't make me squeak my elderly joints over there in and whap you with my walking stick!