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It's probably worth starting a discussion about this as it's coming up soon.  Let's start things off with a bang.


Bad Lute Olson......Bad (http://www.sportingnews.com/college-basketball/article/2010-07-29/ncaa-adds-arizonas-self-imposed-sanctions)



"You take very seriously the sanctions the institution self imposes, then you weigh that against the gravity of the case and you make a decision whether additional penalties should be imposed," said former Miami AD Paul Dee, chair of the NCAA's infractions committee. "We were pleased that they self imposed what they did, but we went further."



-isn't putting the former Miami AD in charge of NCAA infractions committee kind of like putting Iran in charge of the Human Rights Commission at the UN?

Vacating wins is the most limp-dicked move by the NCAA. Nobody will care in 20 years when somebody else is setting new records, and the people that played on the teams will still be able to say, "So what? They can't take the wins away, I was there."

True, but there is a lot of emphasis in college basketball on record books.  The most wins in a season is quite important to the fans and leads to bragging rights, which helps recruiting.  Take 33 wins from Kentucky and North Carolina passes them........

Lute may have built the program into a national powerhouse, but he sure tore it down when he left.  Before we got Sean Miller, we didn't have any recruiting classes for like 3 straight years. Last year's class was mostly people jumping ship from USC.

I am not looking forward to this season, Cal's entire starting lineup either graduated or got kicked off the team.  :heartbreak:

I mean, we still have Gutierrez to annoy the shit out of everyone we play against, but that's not really going to do it.

Sean Miller is going to be an absoLute :drill: force in Arizona.  He's a great coach.  You should be very happy that you got him instead of the other candidates out there.  

Edit:  Pitino should retire (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13682913/five-for-friday-the-good-the-bad-and-the-funny-of-pitino-case)

Player booted from BYU's team for having sex (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6175090). 

Man the Mormons are a fun bunch, aren't they?  How interesting that this kid is one of what, probably 10 African-Americans on campus.  I wonder if his girlfriend is white.  That would fit right in with this scenario. 

Wow, they found a way to make me loathe BYU even more. I wasn't sure that was possible.

Odds are 99.99999% sure she's white based soley on demographics.

Also, being against premarital sex myself, I understand the principle for the policy, but I would never try to expand it to a population as a whole or use it as a rock to bludgeon others. I'll also preface this by saying that I am EXTREMELY anti-mormon and everything the CLDS pretends to stand for.

Given what a bullshit sort of 'offense' it was I'm guessing he'll have no problems finding a better situation to transfer to.

I'm completely aghast at how many people seem to think this was an okay thing for BYU to do.  The reasoning is that they're somehow upholding some sort of moral principle by taking away a guy's education.  Who has the moral high ground in that?

I don't think the policy is ok, but when you agree to a policy and give your word as a man, you have to expect repercussions to your actions.

Agree with it or not, he broke a contract with the University.

The entire policy thing they have is pretty insane, I'm still not sure how they manage to sucker non-Mormon athletes into putting up with it.

They are getting fewer non-LDS students these days as they used to let athletes slide (i.e. the Jim McMahon rule).  This guy is from Provo though, so he knew what he was getting into.  It does seem odd that the only people who seem to get busted and thrown out are e a somewhat darker shade of skin tone.  It's all based on other students ratting them out, so I wouldn't be surprised if there is a bit of a selection bias going on.  The whole campus is a seething cauldron of repressed hormones though. The star QB just announced he is engaged. He is 19.  I also just learned about the concept of "docking" or "soaking" going on down there. Many have apparently convinced themselves that sticking your dick in the hoo-ha isn't really sex if you just let it sit in there.   We don't call it The Zoo for nothing.

 :ye_gods:

Yeah that was my face.

Let's play a little game called 'Just the tip', to see how it feels.

Are they built for speed or for comfort? What'd you do with them? Motorboat? You play the motorboat? You motorboatin son of a bitch! You old sailor you! Where is she? She still in the house?

This is why this case sucks, Paelos (http://deadspin.com/#!5775738/a-byu-grad-on-brandon-davies-sex-and-the-universitys-double-standard).  It's hypocrisy to a tee, and likely it is racism as well. 

You know what that says to me? Some kids aren't held to the same standard as others. Yeah, well that's life, get a fucking helmet. When you are in a position of high publicity, you have to watch your ass. That's something athletes who use twitter and get into trouble seem to constantly forget.

I give Davies credit for owning up to it. I don't blame the school for enforcing the policy the way they did. They said he was removed for an honor code violation. They didn't say why. It was leaked why. They reacted quickly because it is about upholding an image. That's an important thing. This kid's going to get a tough life lesson out of this, but he will be fine. He should just transfer and get on with his life.

Now, I take a different spin. If they went after this kid while other athletes, not just regular students, were knowingly flaunting the policy without reprecussions, that's criminal. That's blatant racial discrimination and the school should be sued for millions.

There are rumblings that this is going on.  Like I said, it's odd how everyone who is kicked out happens to be either black or Polynesian.  Are they the only ones doing it, the only ones being ratted out, or the only ones being disciplined? No one knows because it is all so secretive. Supposedly there are some other names that are going to drop real soon.

This guy was an athlete, but he was also a student at BYU.  He should be held to the same standard as every other student.  Just because he's more in the spotlight shouldn't make him more or less accountable to whatever shit-tastic "code" they have.  I don't agree with athletes getting special treatment, and I don't agree with them singling this guy out to make him a martyr for their crazy cause. 

This discussion is going to veer dangerously into political territory. Before it does, I would just like to say a sarcastic kudos to yet another bunch of religious crazies for trying to make people live against their natural instincts.

You live in a world of unicorns and rainbows, my friend.

Athletes at competitive programs get a different set of rules.  When Average-Joe student can pack the seats of the stadium every Saturday, then things will be equal. 

As to this story, it smacks of a cover reason for them to get rid of the kid.

And that's news........?  ;D

YA! Indiana State University made it to the dance this year, by winning the MVC as a #3 seed, we haven't been since 2001.  I still probably won't go see them, as I usually go and watch the Girls Basketball over the Boys.

Unfortunately my Georgia Bulldogs probably have to two wins in the SEC tournament in order to get a bid to the dance. If not, Alabama steals it from us, and they are terrible.

Not they we aren't also terrible, but dammit I haven't seen us play in the NCAA tourney since I was actually IN college.

Who's organizing the March Madness pool? Was it me last year? I can' t remember, since I was out of about 3 hours into the tourney.

I think you did. Someone needs to.  :awesome_for_real:

I am sure I will be willing to get it going again...gimme until Sunday to make sure UW gets in  :grin:

My wife has to burn some vacation before the end of March, so I told her I would take some of the days off with her. She picked the 17th and 18th...which just so happens to be the first two days of the tournament. So I will probably be ensconced in a lovely Irish or sports bar all day Thursday with the tourney going and as much Guinness as I can pour down my gullet. Sometimes life doesn't suck!

I thought Paelos was going to set it up.  

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

Yeah I set one up.

Use this link http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/t1/register/joinprivategroup_assign_team?GID=36298&P=georgia (http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/t1/register/joinprivategroup_assign_team?GID=36298&P=georgia)

ID 36298
P georgia

I will probably still do one on CBS Sportsline- I like their interface better, and it will probably give us another chance at some kind of prizes  :grin:

Yep do one there two so we can cover our asses on bad brackets  :awesome_for_real:

OMG Kemba Walker. He can make defenders look lost.

Your Dawgs are likely going to have to win this game to get into e dance, Paelos.

My Dawgs managed to squeak one out against their archrivals (after losing to them twice in the regular season) despite 43 from Klay Thompson. That kids was fucking unconscious last night. That should be enough to get them into the dance, and it almost assuredly knocked WSU out of any shot at an at large bid. Eat a dick, Cougs.

Theoretically. If we win, we're a lock. If we lose, it goes to some kind of math I can't do. Tbh though, if we lose twice to Alabama, I'm not extremely confident of our ability to make it out of the first round anyway.

If UGa wins, I think they are both in.  If UGa loses, only Bama gets in

We're going to find out, because the Dawgs can't hold a fucking lead!

My Horns are getting absolutely spanked.   :heartbreak:

At least Kentucky kicked Bammer's ass.

UGA a 10 seed!  :awesome_for_real:

We must have had naked pictures of someone.

I don't understand how Georgia could lose to Alabama and then get into the tourney ahead of them, and Alabama won the west.  Also, Kentucky spanked Florida twice in the past two weeks and gets a four seed, yet Florida is a two seed.  Colorado out?  Virginia Tech out?  These things make no sense to me. 

Well Colorado had too many bad losses: New Mexico, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Iowa State, and San Francisco. Also Georgia beat them head to head.

As for Bama, I have no idea.

Bring it UGA!

UW scouting report for you-

Long and fast
Shoot A LOT of 3 pointers
Have trouble with good zone defense
Very little half court offense- they like transition
Good mix of youth and experience (starting line up is JR FR FR SR SR)
Deep bench
If 3s don't fall, they are in deep trouble

Isaiah Thomas is small, but strong, good passer, very streaky shooter
CJ Wilcox is a deadly spot up shooter- if he gets in a groove, watch out
Terrance Ross is very good from outside, but can also drive and get to the basket (he is going to be a fucking BEAST next season)
Justin Holiday is a fantastic defender and energy guy- his jumper has abandoned him, but he can jump out of the gym
Matthew Bryan-Amaning is a good defender, has some post moves, but can't finish to save his life. If he finds a way to score he can score in bunches, however
Scott Suggs- 3 point shooter mostly
Aziz N'Dyiaye (sp?)- Massive 7 footer from Senegal who has only been playing basketball for a few years. Very limited offensively, can get into foul trouble, but dominates the boards and the paint
Venoy Overton (think he will be back)- thuggish 6 man. One of the best on ball defenders in the country. Can drive to the bucket or pass. Outside shot is spotty.
Darnell Gant- Long, good shot blocker, somehow learned to shoot 3 pointers over the summer- is now surprisingly effective

That is their normal group- could see any combo of 5 on the floor at any time, but MBA and Aziz generally spell each other. Thomas runs the show, but has shown recently that if his shot isn't falling he can pass like hell (double digit assists in every Pac10 tourney game). If they hit a few three pointers and get the pace of the game going, they are REALLY hard to stop. If their opponent can frustrate them and slow things down, they can look depressingly ordinary.

Scouting report for UGA:

We will smash you in the first half. We then proceed to forget how to play basketball and piss it away, tying the game up with about 5 minutes left. From that point on, who knows?

Trey Tompkins is an NBA stud who's a first rounder. Travis Leslie is probably a 2nd rounder and will stay another year to up his stock. Price is a beast down low, but he gets into foul trouble easy getting his 5 rebounds a game.

Also watch out for Ware as he likes to shoot the 3 ball, and does it at a 43% clip.

Gotta say I am less than enthused with the committee making UW fly all the way across the country to play a lower seed 200 miles from its campus. Why the fuck couldn't they have sent Temple to Charlotte and UW to Tucson? What happened to all the 'pod' crap?

And don't even get me started on both NC and Duke getting what are essentially home games every fucking year.

UGA (or one of the other teams like them, take your pick) got the spot that probably should have gone to St. Mary's.

That's a joke. They didn't have an better road record. They didn't have a win against a top 25 team. Here's the real kicker: two of their losses were against teams that weren't even in tournament discussion (Portland & San Diego). Georgia lost to one team that's not in the tournament right now, Alabama.

Pretty sure Pitt will choke in the round of 16, but what the hell.

Pitt got the easiest bracket.  If they don't get to the final four I'll be surprised.