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I can't retrieve any of my characters... again. And when I do get in no doubt 1/2 the time I try to loot I will lag. And my mailbox will open up after a few minutes. And it will take 5 minutes to search the AH. It will take a few minutes to sell all my loot too. And I'll die maybe once every 2 hours due to lag. And the server was reset earlier because we lost a zepplin or some shit.

Seriously getting sick of this. It's been a month already, they shouldn't have this shit happening still. If anything has me quit anytime soon it will be this.

What's odd is how much the server problems of WoW mirror those of SW:G at launch (well, at least the Bloodfin server). Once has to wonder how much incompetency a gaming company deals with before handing someone their ass. I blame Nebu.

We can post here about how WoW suxx0rs, but it looks like nobody is posting about EQ2 at all.  Good.  I quit WoW, but I still hate everything associated with the game that ruined the MMOG genre.

Ultima Online - Trammel onwards? That's ironic see as, well, ya know.

SWG was the same way on the server I played on.  Anything that thought hard about items caused unbelieveable server-side delays.  The time I spent in the WoW beta was the same, to the point where I gave up looting because it was safer to not loot than be stuck looting when some mob walked by and agro'd.

One really wonders what is so different in the development process of these two games with everyone else, who don't seem to have these issues?

Alkiera

Mail sucks. Period. I have to wait anywhere from 15 seconds at the bare minimum to 5 minutes max. That is unacceptable.

Otherwise, the problems that you speak of for characters or items are not server to server. Your sample size sucks. I'm not going to defend the game as the end all be all of MMOG's but it's not running rampant with most of the problems that you people describe on a daily basis. Then again, I'm operating on a PvE server, so I'm not getting the crushing lag that most others are on the PvPs. So be it.

Oh I'm perfectly aware that it's my servers that are copping it in the ass for the past week or more. There were about 7 servers down when BOTH of my servers were down. It sucks so much because they're the best 2 servers for me besides this.

Windrunner, a medium population PvE server, crashed earlier this evening when the Alliance decided to hold a full scale raid on Orgimmar. I can't even imagine how bad things must be on the high population PvP servers.

Get down to the appropriate thread on the Game Development forum and bring it, bitch!  And anyway, even if you're part of the "PK = virtual world" demographic that thinks open-PvP in an MMOG is something other than a dismal clusterfuck failure, you can still blame Trammel on the success of Everquest.

No, wait.  You can also blame the success of Everquest on Raph screwing around with his "player justice" nonsense while 0wnz0rd00dz chased his customers into the arms of the competition.

Therfore, Raph is responsible for the core design of the MMOG I prefer above all others to this very day despite the terrible graphics.  Yet he is also indirectly responsible for the destruction of the MMOG genre.  Despite the fact that his game largely created it.

Godfuckingdamnit, Schild, stop making me make every thread about UO!

I'm on a pretty high pop PvP server but as long as I stay away from IF I don't get lag of any kind. Once and a while when I'm crafting there's a second or two of delay. Thats pretty much it. IF is rediculous and the fact that they didn't put linked auction houses in, in beta is stupid but by just going to the AH during off peak hours and getting in and out quickly I find it doesn't bug me that much.

I play on the PvP server Deathwing, myself.   At prime time, things really hit the fan.   Random disconnects, severe lag in some zones.   Blizzard's success is really strangling the servers.

Had my first zepplin ride today. It's kinda cool before the zepplin dumps me in the water and my server goes boom. So yeah, both servers down again.

I have the odd few minutes of lag at major primetime (High load PVP) and once in a great while the AH will lock me up for 30 seconds, and 1 time the zepp dumped me. Other than that my server is fine. (Knock on wood).



Well then, why dont you go and post in the UO forum? UO was good. Now it sucks.

/me now has a lvl 1 undead priest on a PVP server

I decided I might as well go horde since I'll go batshit crazy if I have to start a new alliance char. My lvl 46 paladin (never again... omg the boredom), my 32 warrior, and assorted low lvl alts are on hold until the servers they are on stop sucking major ass.

Researched the new server and found it to be stable, fast (ie. pacific), and fairly well balanced. So yeah, maybe a new permanent home for me.

Other than "I miss ganking miners" or "shiny > gameplay" does anyone have a reason for saying this?  "I played it for X years and it just got old" isn't really a reason to say something sucks.

I fucking wish I was on your server then. It took an hour for one of my friends to get something I mailed to him.

Heh. Mail always takes an hour to get to a person if it contains an item. What we're talking about is opening your mailbox and getting the mail to show up, or clicking send and waiting for it to actually send.

I have the same experience on Sargeras.  Though last night I got booted by my cable and then got stuck at the "Authenticating" part of login.  Though as I understand it, that's a universal problem, not server-specific.

Earthen Ring is somewhat laggy... that's about it.  I was able to mail an alt some stuff last night and it went fine.  I do have to queue up to get in sometimes, though.  It is filled with arguing role players who seem to, typically, have the luck of people who don't deserve it.   Icecrown, however, is typically unavailable when I want to play my alliance alt.  I suppose this will mean more free time that I don't care about.  


Also, can we stop blithering about Raph destroying the world and eating your babies?  That is SO ancient history!

Umm, that's standard and I thought by design.  Mailing items is about a 1 hour delay.  Mailing cash or just messages is pretty much instantaneous.

Are you still plugging your ears and pretending AoS didn't happen?

I've just shunted him off to the same mental catagory as HRose, if the topic in question is an MMOG I know what his post will be about and can safely skip it, irregardless of what thread it is in or the general direction of the conversation.

Viklas!, on the other hand can be pretty amusing with his italian-english and super rose tinted glasses, plus he switches the object of his psychophancy around every year or so to keep things interesting; this guy is just getting tedious.

Yes, by design items take an hour in mail.

Cash is instant.

Won items in AH are instant too.

Actually getting the items from your mail inbox? - Depends on lag.

So sell your Sword of Noobwhooping (3dps) on the AH for 15 gold buyout, but email your alt 15 gold instead of the sword.  Then go buy the sword from yourself.

LEET SPLOIT!!

You cannot buy auctions that were started from the same account.

So character A on some account cannot buy what character B on the same account put up for sale in the AH.

Alleria, High Population PvE server:

The two things that bother me are the lag when trying to retrieve items from the mail, and the lag when first searching the auction house.

Oh, and the fucking fire pots that people stand in by the auctioneers.

Hell even if you could do this it wouldn't be much faster.  

Have you tried to use the AH lately? *Rimshot*

Actually, the one hour wait thing doesn't bother me for my alt swapping methods.  There isn't really ever a need to be that quick about it.  If you actually could get items to your other alts that fast, it wouldn't give you a leg up on anything that I know of...

Same here, this weekend was a mess. I'm fairly patient about these kinds of things, but now I'm starting to get annoyed.

Right. It sort of stops people from transferring money across factions. Although it is still possible with a trustworthy friend to help.

Just have the friend get an opposing faction mule to Gadgetzan. Have that mule place an item for sale with a 50 gold buyout. Buy it with the rich character. Then friend hands over the money.

Dude, just mail it and wait the hour for the item to arrive.   It'll be there by the time you hit level 5, and it's a tad easier than trying to mosey a level 1 character over to an auction house - let alone the AH in Gadgetzan.   (We are talking about twinking, right?)

I noticed lag seems considerably better over near Lorderon.   Perhaps getting off the western continent is a good way to dodge a lot of the problems with prime time latency.

I'm feeling exactly the same way. I think I'm pretty damned patient about it all, but at some point enough is enough.



Edit: spelling damned wrong was bugging me...

I think everyone's starting to get sick of it.  PA mentioned it today and I wrote up something on it for the blog last night while I tried to log in.  

I just don't think they have any solution for this that will just "fix" it.  They're already controlling the box sales and talking of transfers from higher to lower pop servers.  The problem with this is, all of this bad shit is happening to some degree on lower pop servers; bringing everyone into some medium level of fucking crap doesn't cut it.

I really hope technical issues don't kill another game for me.  At least with Shadowbane there were a bevvy of other things I at least disliked with the game, so it was easier to bitterly walk away.  I really don't want to just put down a game where I'm having a lot of fun playing because of technical barriers to having my fun.  

I don't like any of this, I want to quit games because they're boring and shitty not because the server monkies can't get their shit together.

Edit: Too much more of this and the least patient of our power group is going to quit.   That will really suck and just about kill the game for me.

Doh'.

Well okay then, I still win, since I went to check my mail and was able to get 2 chapters done in RE4 before it showed up. HA.

For a couple of kids that bring in something like a third of a million a year, they should really learn proper puncuation. Where's that picture Haemish always posts when you need it?

Funny that they made that picture.

Rhetorical questions (http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:ErpbldEkqcYJ:www.proco.com/punct2.htm+site:proco.com+rhetorical&hl=en&lr=lang_en&strip=1) are occasionally exempted from normal rules of punctuation for questions, since they aren't meant to be answered and hence aren't "questions" as such.

Hence the movement by some to create a new character, the rhetorical question mark (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-38,GGLD:en&q=%22rhetorical+question+mark%22).

Wasnt that $300k+ for charity?

From what I've heard, and I trust [my sources] to be reliable, Penny Arcade brings in something like $30k a month through advertising and whatnot.

That was very much not a rhetorical question.

Good thing I cut/pasted that or else you could be discussing my bad punctuation instead.


Whew.

I actually checked before commenting.

"Where's X when you need him" isn't a rhetorical question now?

Saying something like "Where's Horatio Alger when you need him." That's rhetorical. Asking where someone is when you need him and knowing exactly where he is and what company he works for - and his blog, well, that's just asinine.

Hmm, 70+ minute login que.   Methinks I'll be passing on playing WoW this evening.

Yeah, 60 minute queue on Deathwing...

And, no, it's still rhetorical because of the form.  From what you are saying Schild, the correct statement should be "Where's Lum the Mad?".  And I would agree that there would have to be a question mark after that.

However in this context its a rhetorical question made a joke by the asininity of it.

Damn nice timing for the All Station Pass change.   If Blizzard doesn't have their act together by the end of the month when my subscription comes new, the Sony devil has a new cabana boy.   Nearly two weeks should be more than enough for a reasonably competent team to get things running comfortably.

More than 72 hours, assuming at worst they need new hardware, is pushing it. You people are far too forgiving and seemingly very depressed. Go buy a gamecube and RE4, now.

Tonight is the first time that I have ever seen a queue on Cenarius.  Currently the queue is at 400 with an approximate wait for 26 minutes... I suppose I should be greatful that I don't have to sit through some of the longer queues that other servers have had to endure.  What I don't understand is why the queue is popping up all of a sudden.  There couldn't have been a huge influx of players to Cenarius since last night, so what the hell is going on?  Technical problems?

Well, I suppose there is the ever entertaining Queue Dance (http://www.leagueofpirates.com/sirvival/queuedance.html) to keep me occupied.

It's possible they turned down the max populations on the servers to keep performance up.  They did this at one point in the stress-test/open beta period.

If you could get in, it did help some... but if you weren't in the first group in, you watched Queue Dance, only For Real.

Alkiera

I played a bit earlier but I'm much too impatient to wait in a queue.  I was booted from Icecrown 4 times today, anyway. It's not worth the bother.

By the way... a que is a half farthing and not used anymore.  You can probably buy some from a collector, though.

I have the GC, but has RE4 finally hit the store shelves?

I know exactly where Horatio Alger is too.  In his grave?

I don't think he has a blog though.

Mid 40's boredom isn't faction specific :)

You live in a hole.

Well, if you'd stand up, maybe I could get the fuck out of it. I thought you had a preview copy. Somehow I thought the release date was 1/25/04 or something. I guess your colon warped the sound waves.

Pfffffffffft. Capcom, they won't return my calls or emails. But screw them, they only release 3 games worth playing a year anyway. I'd be willing to buy a 4th just to let everyone know what a bunch of sequel making jerkoffs they are.

I don't have time to finish this post - I have to play Street Fighter 2. Again.

Done. Only on chapter 3, but already the game is intensely satisfying.

I played WoW last night with nary a server queue. Fortunately everybody created characters on servers other than Earthen Ring, and those who started ones there have left. I can only conclude that the other servers are fucked because you folks are playing on them. I'll be questing in Zul'Farrak tonight with my new guild. Enjoy the Gamecube.

A friend of mine was bitching up a storm last night in tells about the state of the lag and what not. I told him he had 2 options, a) grin and bear it b) quit.  He didn't like this answer.  He for some reason thinks that by calling their customer support and bitching at them on the phone or complaining to his friends, he's some how making a difference.  

"BLIZZARD NEEDS TO FIX THIS... Goddamnit, car companies fix my car if it's broken, why can't Blizzard fix this... this is not how you run a company "  

I tried to explain to him that this isn't an easy problem and Blizzard is already taking a PR bath over this.  You can't just sit down one day, write a 6 million dollar check, snap your fingers and TEH LAG, SHE IS GONE. I tried to explain to him, that this will probably be something he's going to be dealing with for a couple of months, so he best either get to accepting it or quit.  He said he'll quit over this, but really, I doubt it.  He also didn't even know what the hell a server queue was.  (That mellowed him out some.)

I don't think people get that these companies only really care about the bottom line.  A few angry wackos don't change shit, losing mass subscriptions does.  Stuff like what Penny Arcade did (mass negative publicity) can only really help.  But you've just got to know they're trying desperately to fix this.  Just in this type of environment, hoping for a hot patch for "crippling lag, server instability", is just unadulterated stupid.

The lag is just odd though, which kinda signals to me it's going to be hard to track down and fix in all instances. He was lagging bad in Felwood while I was having no problem at all in Un'goro crater.  Azshara was really bad for me the other day, but it felt more like machine lag than actual internet latency.

Oggrimar is bad, but honestly, I've been through the EQ bazaar and lived. This is nothing.

Wait, it's coming on two months after release, and you guys are getting queues of 400 still? Are you shitting me? That was close enough to unacceptable the first week, it's really silly now. If they are lowering max pops just to relieve the lag, that's... I just stutter at the audacity. That's almost as bad as EQ2's 3-day server holiday. The fact that Blizzard hasn't come out and said X number of days free for everyone is inexcusable.

It's a good game, and it's really a shame that technical issues that should have been ironed out are still causing them problems. Ironically, massive loss of subscriptions would probably fix the lag problems. :)

Seriously, does any fucking body know how to run one of these server farms competently? Oh right, NCSoft's COH team. Sorry to fellate them again, but you know, damn.

They've got a smaller player base and a game system that is interently designed to deal with this type of issue.  They instance everything. They also don't have items, bank storage, and visible armor/weapons.

Apples and tuna fish.

I like tuna fish.

I'm not comparing their server architecture. I'm saying that whatever they use, they make it work. Fuck, Mythic made their shit work with populations that were much bigger than they expected, and they didn't have nearly the money that both SOE and Blizzard had. It doesn't matter that WOW or EQ2 or SWG may have more intricate databases. That means shit to consumers. If you design it, make it work. Excuses don't make happy consumers. I don't care HOW they do it, but they should do it.

Both SOE and Blizzard should have more than enough money made from past successes to make it work, and yet they seem ill-equipped to handle it.

What got me the most was the 16 hour maintenance. When I first heard it I thought "cool, hopefully this will help the lag". But it didn't. I don't expect them to be able to snap their fingers and have it all work. And I have no problem with them taking down servers for 16 goddamn hours if it is going to fix the problem. But it didn't. From the looks of it they would have been better off just leaving the servers as they were and spend time working on a fix that actually fixes things.

And now we are at the 4 hour regular maintenance. I've played maybe 5-6 hours since Thursday, and that just sucks.

From what I'm hearing we're in a long ride too. I get the impression their servers aren't setup in such a way as to make them expandable in anything even approaching an easy manner.

Yup, I'm just counting my blessings, Earthen Ring hasn't been a problem. I was able to use the AH and mail just fine through primetime all weekend.

Well, to say exactly what I said to my friend that I had this conversation with, "well, no shit".   Saying other companies overcame their problems doesn't mean a goddamn thing.  And like I told my friend (and already said here), throwing heaps of money is only going to take them so far.  

They've got to figure out a way to fix it.  They've got to test and apply the fix. They've got to tweak what doesn't work.  And they've got to do this without pissing their customers off any more than they currently are (this is impossible to do).  

This will take time.  Yes, it sucks, but it's reality.  You have to live in reality.

And lest we forget, Shadowbane was a LOT worse.  Took forever to get in the first few weeks (if you did ever actually get in), and crashes were so common that "sb.exe" entered the lexicon meaning a crash to desktop.

My irrelevant idle musing on this problem:

During the login Que screen, a link is a available that brings the user to a vendor site for the pen and paper version of WoW :P

Thanks the the powers that be who chose Earthen Ring for the Bat Country server (even if all you fuckers left and it is just Signe and I!)- I have had a couple of lag issues (very brief), and been dumped a couple of times, but I have never seen a queue.

Last night, while Earthen ring was at "high" population without a queue, Icecrown was at "medium" with a queue of over 300. Some servers hit queues of over 1000. No, I've no idea what the fuck they are doing either. Possibly they are trying to convince players from damaged servers to go to the low population ones by reducing the population limits. At this point in the game, that tactic may backfire.

What?

Queue


My public disservice announcement for the day. ;)

[edit]Because misspelling in a spelling correction post is bad.[/edit]

Irritating counterexample comment:

I play daily. . mostly on Suramar and Uldam.  I've never seen a queue and haven't seen item or looting lag since the first week, so as far as I'm concerned, y'all are complaining about a different game.

My game also has mid-40's boredom, though.  When you finish all the quests available at your level and are only 1/3 of the way to the next level, that's a problem.  I'm now rotating alts and taking breaks to make sure I only kill foozles with the 100% xp bonus.

And Blizzard is still searching for that elusive Oracle Database Administrator (http://www.blizzard.com/jobopp/oracle-database-administrator.shtml). That job posting has been there for months.

I'd say it is quite possible they are sailing their database without a captain.

Just out of curiousity which side are you playing on? Alliance or Horde? I have never, ever run out of quests. In fact, it is rare for me to have less than 20/20 quests on my log and I'm level 55 now.

I just hit 56 on horde side and I must have dropped about 30 quests on the way up.

Yeah the slowdown is annoying, but my main gripe is with how the paladin plays. All my fights go almost exactly the same way. I make sure I have on the aura I want (devotion against melee, a resist aura against casters), make sure I have my blessing on, then I either charge in or pull through proximity and walk back. If the fight is hard I throw on a judgement that proc heals me when I hit the mob, either way I then throw up seal of the crusader. The whole fight will then be me auto-attacking and re-sealing/re-judging/healing as necessary. If they aren't a runner I'll also throw on a stun when available. If they are a runner I'll stun them as they run if stun is up, otherwise I judge a fury onto them so they can't run.

That's all I ever do and it's getting old. The warrior on the other hand has me pressing all kinds of buttons, pulling with ranged weaps or charging, and overall having alot more variation and fun.

Warrior was a ton of fun in beta but got nerfed way to much for my tastes. If warriors could solo a little better I'd probably play one but Paladin spoiled me for soloability.

I've found that warriors (well, fury warriors) solo quite well. I've out-leveled most of my friends with similar playing hours to mine. I also have less hours played than they do. However, there is a trick to it. It's called "not choosing fights over your head." In other words, I leave +4 creeps to the pet classes and stay at or below my own level (+1 at worst). The first 20 levels are pretty rough for pure fury, but after you get enrage things get better (they get much better after you get flurry).

Now I will agree with warriors being more interesting to play. You have any number of options in a fight, and you fight casters very differently than you do melee mobs.

Warriors have a lot of grouping issues, but variety isn't one of them.

Since hitting my late-40s, I've branched out a bit class-wise. I've been playing both a paladin and a rogue to see how things are in those camps. I'll agree that the paladin is a bit dull, but VERY effective in the early levels. Sneaking about as a rogue is fun, but, again, I find their combat fairly predictable without much variation. I"m beginning to hear complaints from guild rogues that their survivabiity takes a plunge in the mid-40s (which is about time!). I still feel the warlock is essentially playing in godmode, but she's still only 20ish, so we shall see.

Thanks, Sable.  I've started playing a warrior (was playing rogue) and this is good info.    I am loving my warrior, by the way.  Much more fun than  the other classes I've tried so far.

I loved my warrior at the end of CB.

But when I tried him again during live, just wasn't as fun.  I didn't feel like a tank, only a ghetto rogue.  As it turns out, around L40ish or so, rogues no longer are able to tank at all.

I will probably start a warrior again.  I had one in OB, but thought they were too gimp as a main.  The only real reason was that I was constantly behind the eight ball for good equipment and the Warrior class is a whore to his/her equipment both from Def and from Damage.

However, as an alt, I can send decent items and cash from my main (Pally actually) and he should do just fine.  I do like the potential of putting the same DPS as a mage while still being able to get hit at the same time.

I'd make him an alchemist this time around too.  The biggest thing missing is healing during combat and that would help with that along with all the buffs the potions can give.  Max out first aid too for quick recoveries in between fights.  Cooking would be desirable too for the added stamina buffs from the good stuff.

Done right, the warrior can be a very good character, but they are harder to play than the others, which also can make them more fun.  Most bypass them due to wanting the quick fix.  Paladin has that, but it is a very boring class to play.  I'm basically lvl'ing my main on rest exp now only and working on alts.  That's how boring it is.

Shaman tanking (epics mobs) ability dies around level 50.  Doing Jin'thalor to get the mallet for Zul'farak was a chore.  Once things starting hitting for 200-300 or dual wielding hitting you for 100+ with fast weapons, someone with only 2500 HP is going to have a hard time taking it.  The problem is the balance between int/stam that shaman have to maintain.

I would roll a warrior alt (partially so my armorsmithing would actually be useful) but my friend is already making one and bunching up 2 warriors with my friend's druid alt may not work quite that well.   I've decided to make a priest and damn, it's rough to get used to.  Going from chain to cloth is a new world and I forgot how underpowerful classes appear at the beginning.  Sometimes I tend to forget that I couldn't take two yellow cons at the same time right off the bat.  

Plus, no matter how much I love melee characters, pure meleers always end up boring me in the end.  Of course, this isn't EQ and the classes are a bit better fleshed out.  Heh, well, perhaps alt #3 is a warrior.  Looks like  my warlock will be the bank bitch forever.  

/ramble

Initially I started a warrior even though I heard through the grapevine that they had issues, especially in PvP.  I'm really happy with my decision now, based on these comments, since I prefer not to play with an "I win" button, but I'm also not too hot on being a permanent gravestone.

I can tell at 29 that there are still some abilities I lack to be fully effective in PvP, but I can accept that warriors bloom late and just have fun getting there.

IMO, especially horde side, they become a damn near neccessity for higher pve (can't hurt for group pvp either).  My group consists of shaman/shaman/mage.  If we could add any class to our mix, it would be a warrior.  Infact, that's the only people we ever invite to instances.  

So, feel special :)

Horde.
My quest log is quite full, they're just all orange/red.  I just leveled up from 40 to 41, and 5 or 6 quests went from orange to yellow.  A couple in Stranglethron and a bunch in Faralas.  After completing all of those, a couple of other yellow followups to them, and an orange overcon quest I gained 1/3 of a level and added a bunch more red quests to my list.  I've checked Thottbot and I have all of the quests I can get.

My dark secret is that I'm avoiding Elite quests.  Maybe that's the dealbreaker.

I think they expect you to do some elite quests along the way.  This can suck if you don't have a usual cadre of people to team with.  But with a team of 3, we've done pretty much every non-instanced elite there is to do and these give significant exp gains.  We've skipped a lot of elites along the way: Ragefire, Razorfen Downs, most of Uldaman, etc etc.

But, I don't remember the early forties being bad for us.  There's Arathi Highlands, Desolace, Dustwallow Marsh, Badlands, Stranglethorn, Alterac Mountains, and the beginning to Feralas (there's a quest giver near Shimmering Flats for there).

Early 50's is a bit rough so far for Horde, but once you're 51, Un'goro just has a fuckton of quests.  It's what I think the questing should be like all of the time.  So much crap, you actually have to pick what you want to do. Then pretty soon it should be on to Felwood, Western Plaguelands and beyond..

I have run into this also at around lvl 43. All my quests are ether red or elite. Its not that I avoide elite quests, its just having the time to do instances.

When you say STV, you have to remember its Grom'Gol and Booty Bay. Also, skipping all elites is a very bad idea, as even most non-instanced elite quests have good loot.

Speaking of the goddamn servers again, they took mine (Deathwing) down for 4+ hours during primetime last night (6-10pm).  For "scheduled maitenence".  That they didn't tell us about.  Which was scheduled for prime time.  What in the fuck!

41st Tank.  Primary Defense, Secondary Arms.

1-14 could handle anything my level, but was not very effective at holding aggro at all.

14-24 could handle anything my level +1, was starting to handle aggro.

25-32 could handle anything my level +2, aggro was becoming less and less a problem.

33+ no issues with aggro.  Can solo elites my level, though taking one that dishes magic is not an option...  Orange con is generally not a big deal, two yellows is doable.  Grouping is the way to go though.

PvP wise... solo is a pain in the ass.  Grouped, I am the terror.  Most PvP focuses on the casters first, I can kill a mage in four hits.  I can kill priests faster... these are all equal level or higher.  I can take a lot of damage.  The warrior is a great fit in the group PvP roll.  Silence plus Stun and 2200hp makes my little troll warrior a pain in the butt.

My warrior is level 33 now and I've noticed that I usually end up being the reason the rest of the group doesn't die in elite instances since I generate so much threat.

Most groups I end up in consist of a pally, rogue, mage, and a priest or druid.  If I'm in a good group I totally ignore my HP and focus 100% on holding aggro and peeling enemies off the preist and mage or people without much HP left.

Challenging Shout + Retaliation + lots of mobs = ownage by the way, provided you can survive the damage (something easy to do in a group with a decent level pally or priest, since you're buffed and healed all the time).

Warriors definitely aren't a solo class for PVP from what I can tell by dueling. I can flatten equal level mages and priests easily thanks to shield bash and hamstring, Hunters are about as easy (unless you kill their pet for fun), Rogues are tough, Druids for some reason I have a HELL of a time with, and Pallys are nearly impossible to beat at equal level even with good equipment (nevermind at about level 30 all the pallys have that fucking uber-hammer they get from some quest).

Shhhhhh.   My 42 Druid's never lost a duel (out of maybe 12) with someone +2 levels or below.  It's always nice to toy with them so they think it's close when the life's getting low, then dropping the Innervate + Nature's Gift + Heal combo that lets you instantly heal to full health and mana.  And then killing them in Cheetah form.  Good times.

Instantly heal to full health and mana when you were almost dead?

I hope there is some sort of drawback to it, because that sounds overpowered.

Shaman has a similar 'oops, I'm instantly regenerated' thing with healing wave + Nature's Swiftness. Sometimes Nature's Swiftness is useful in conjunction with chain lightning for dropping casters in what amounts to an alpha-strike: Using it gives you a purge + chain lightning + earth shock combo done within 5 seconds; that's a lot of damage to take, and the earth shock disrupts casting, giving enough time for a grounding totem drop and a charge with windfury.

Wasting natures swiftness on an instacast lightning is ridiculous and compulsive, so it shouldn't work, even in theorycraft. But for some reason ..

As a warrior the only equal level mage you will be beating is a totally incompetent one.  I can reliably beat warriors 10 levels higher than me.  There is no question:  Mage is scissors, Warrior is paper.

I noticed that they heal pretty quick, but waiting till the last possible moment to heal will get your ass executed by a warrior.



If I don't get frost nova'ed or something like that and slaughtered during the time it takes to get free, mages tend to start having trouble after the first shield bash. Shield Wall doesn't hurt either for outlasting them.

If you find shield bash useful against a mage, you are fighting a nubcaek of a duelist mage. Dueling as a mage is all about insta-cast spells.

Intercept, hamstring, pummel, recklessness (w/ execute) = dead mage. Almost before he can react.

Of course, that assumes he hasn't seen you coming, or is busy when you rush him. Most magelings aren't mentally prepared to deal with a fury warrior that pops recklessness on them.

Then again, YOU had best be prepared in case you get one of the warrior's patented dozen swing miss streaks...

I'll PoM sheep if I have to against a warrior, because once they are sheeped, the fight is over as I kite them forever.

6 minute timer on Innervate (the mana).   3 minutes on Nature's Swiftness (not Gift.  Thanks, Sam).  So you can probably only do it once.  But that's all you really need.

OMG Nerf!

Uhm, I play a warrior but I don't know what recklessness is.

It's a problem?

I would rather play UO than EQ2

*vomits and leaves you the big pieces*

Necroposting to emote is bad juju, mmmk?

Don't they teach kids anything these days?

Well, since this thread is still alive, I have a noob question.  Is it normal for the patcher to be stuck at 0%?  Task Manager says that it is still running, but no error messages are popping up.

Oh, never mind.  It just moved.  My 450KB/s connection is running slower than a modem.  Calling it 1 KB/s would be generous.

And for some reason I am uploading at 2 KB/s.  I wonder what I'm sending them.

EDIT: A message finally told me that I'm behind a firewall.  I forwarded the port to my client and now everything is fucktastic.  DL time is still very slow, but at least it's moving.

Yah the WoW patcher uses some Bittorrent ripoff that has you also send pieces of the patch to other patchers. For some people it sucks, but for others, like yourself, who are able to open up the right ports it should run pretty quick.

My problem is that my cable internet only allows a small amount of upload bandwidth - any sharing I do quickly eats up my download bandwidth and I have to truck along at 15kbps.

Anyways, you decide on a server to join yet?

PS - Is this sig too annoying?

Yes. But mine leads to my blog so I'm no sig expert. Brevity is wit IMO.

Philistine.

I am Sig.

Nope, I have no idea which server to join.  Are they limited to one char per server per account?

And your sig is probably not as annoying as mine.

Yes.

Heh I changed it already. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy rocks.. but I'm changing it again.