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Just bolded a couple of parts that were especially :ye_gods:

That Wii controller is fucking ridiculous. Also loaded gun left on table :uhrr: Fucking hell, I can never relate to these firearms stories. The whole idea of having loaded weapons about the house is just :ye_gods:

That's so bad that you almost wonder if the stepfather was hoping the girl would kill herself. This is one of those stories that just leaves me feeling utterly bleak about everything.

Rednecks

Stepfather needs to go to jail for something.  Leaving a handgun lying around is pretty damn irresponsible.

That can't be a right out of the box WII gun adapter. It must have been painted and or modified. Quite sure we have laws here requiring the orange tip and requirement to be very different than real in shape.

But yeah, the real issue here is the loaded, most assuredly cocked handgun within a 3 year olds reach.

It wasn't

Yeah, I didn't read the article linked in this thread, there are a number of sites posting any Wii gun remote they can find with this, basically same worded story (Sans no Nintendo part).

Part of my point was, you can't even buy a fake gun like that that has to be a home brew. This reminds me of the whole lazer tag accident, the main reason we have such rules about fake guns.

So the guy hears a prowler outside and leaves the gun on the table? wtf isn't that like a gun nuts dream scenario were they can actually justify having a gun around?

Sounds like he got the gun out cause he thought there was a prowler, checked and couldn't find anyone so left he loaded gun on the table to go do something else.

This.

All of my firearms are locked up safely where the kids can't just grab them. This guy is an idiot and needs some jail time to help rehabilitate him.

Jail time?  He should be shot in the abdomen.

Yeah, because our prison system has such an excellent track record of rehabilitating people.

I mean, lets just be honest, if he goes to jail for this, its purely for punishment, not for rehab.  Not that he doesn't deserve punishment, just making a point.  Also, the Wii remote thing here seems almost irrelevant, leaving a loaded gun on a table around a 3 year old isn't going to end well regardless of if the modified Wii remote had been around.

I bet Ozzy and Marilyn Manson left the gun there while they were playing video games during a break from their D&D campaign.

Yeah.  The first thing you do is unload it and put it back before going back to whatever was oh-so-important.  Geezus.  How can people do this?

Assuming he was not drunk or high as a kite and hallucinating a prowler, then passing/blacking out for a brief moment, then forgetting wtf he was doing on the couch and hauling ass back to bed. Not excusing this, but I have had nights like this...sans loaded weapon save for a stack of Ritz crackers.

It had to have been more than just loaded, I dont think a three year old could pull the hammer back.

You don't cock that style of automatic, if it's loaded, it's cocked.

--Dave

No pull the top back fancyness?

That's loaded.  One in the chamber.  All she had to do was pull the trigger.

I assumed that charging him with a felony would decrease the likelihood of him ever legally carrying a handgun.  Bad assumption?   

Do we let felons legally own handguns in this country?  I'm afraid to know the answer.

No we don't.  It is illegal for them to do so.

You know what ?  I'm not even fucking interested in the ifs ands and buts in this story.  I don't even care to talk about.  It's just fucking sad.

 :heartbreak:

He properly decided to use the full automatic m16 for such a special occasion.  :awesome_for_real:

Someone dumb enough to leave a gun lying around with a kid in the house more than likely can't afford the $20k a full auto m16 would set him back.  Theres really no excuse for this shit.  He'll more than likely be charged with a few felonies, depending on the local laws - he's probably looking at some sort of felony negligence in the best case, and several 'guns and children' charges if his state has them on the books.

This is Tennessee.  I live here.  He'll probably be court ordered to breed a few more crotchmuppets to make up for it.

Chambering a cartridge and cocking the hammer is often the same motion in an automatic / semi-automatic.

Open bolt guns also manage to kill people frequently.  Because, you know, a gun with it's bolt open is obviously incapable of firing, amirite?


And would be dumb enough to fuck around with bump firing or filing down their sear until it has a slippage problem (How retard proofed is the civilian AR-15?)

I've heard of a lot of mouthbreathing retarded motherfuckers do this with shitty Wal-Mart paintball guns figuring it's going to be great until they realize the thing cycles 30-40 times a second, while their gravity feed loader is capable of 12.  Then, instead of jamming their gun just slices through the paintballs and sprays the reeking shit all over the inside of their receiver, barrel, and loader before it recocks, half-feeds another ball, and then said retard realizes that the mechanical stresses on the sear has further damaged it and now he can't stop the thing from shooting at all until after the (CO2) tank is empty.  In the process every seal in the tank and lower tube of the gun is irreparably damaged, and to top it all off they occasionally touch the now searing fucking cold tank just to add injury to insult.

I can't read a sentence that long.  It makes my tired old brain hurt!

I punctuated my rant better.  I should get some youtube videos too, paintball guns are cool to tinker with if you're not retarded.

Dude, I don't even know where to start with this, and I'm not sirbrucing you, but ugh, here it goes.

1) Bumpfiring doesn't do shit to the rifle, it's just pulling the trigger really fast with a little help from newton.

2) Filing down the sear of an ar-15 will render your rifle inop really, really fucking quick.  Which is a good thing if you're dumb enough to try it.  It takes serious machining, a full auto fire control group and an entirely different sear (called an autosear) to turn a civilian ar15 into an actual assault rifle.  Getting caught with a single one of the parts needed to do this conversion without even owning a rifle is enough to get you sent to prison for 10 to 20 years and stripped of your right to own firearms for life as a felon.

3) 30-40 bpm on a paintball marker isn't out of line, thats about what tournament markers shoot.  Check out the Halo hoppers, they were feeding 35 bpm or so when I used to play competitively, and that was about 8 years ago.  No one really uses CO2 either unless they are rank amateurs, high pressure air gets you a lot more shots between refills and far greater consistency as it depletes.

On the chambering/cocking bit, it depends entirely on the handgun.  Some are double action only and have an internal hammer, some are single action/double action (meaning you can pre-cock the hammer or leave it decocked and a much stronger two-stage trigger pull is required to fire the first round)

Theres only a few open bolt guns made as well, and there really aren't a whole lot of uzi-related deaths these days.  But uh, guns are  scary I suppose.

I am Sirbrucing you. :awesome_for_real:





But will it get the slippage and repeated firing?  Telling people it will fuck the gun up doesn't stop them from being fucking stupid if they think there is something to gain from it.


1. Current PSP rate of fire cap is 15.  20 is extremely fast unless you're abusing switch bounce or ramping firing modes.
2. Halo claims 35, on a gun it usually registers ~33.
3. People who actually care to buy HPA and a tournament marker generally don't fuck with sear mods because their guns don't have sears.  This is your $150 Wal-Mart package in the woods, crank up the velocity crowd.


I've seen a number of semi-auto .22's with an open bolt action.

The rest doesn't really matter, and I don't want to get in an argument over stupid people and open-bolt .22s.  Taking a dremel or file to a civilian ar-15 sear will never do anything but stop the weapon from firing.  Autosears have a completely different design.

Aside from that, let's assume for a second that you *could* theoretically file down the sear to get it to fire bursts randomly.  Without a properly functioning sear, you've got a very, very good chance the weapon is going to slamfire and fire out of battery.  Firing out of a battery is a great way to have chunks of hot metal embedded in the squishy bits of your face.  If someone wanted to convert a weapon to fire F/A easily and in an unsafe manner, all they would need to do is buy an SKS and put the bolt in upside down.  Viola, you now have a F/A, yet very explodey rifle.

Unless you're actually a machinist, there is no 'simple' way to convert any civilian weapons to safely and/or consistently fire anything other than a single shot.  And by simple, I mean milling a part out of a chunk of aluminum.  A part that even possessing the plans to while owning an AR-15 is considered constructive intent by the ATF and will land you a stint in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

A Class III Mac-10 is a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to get your hands on than illegally modifying a rifle, and as a bonus it's much cheaper to feed.  It's really a moot point though, full auto guns have only ever been used in a couple crimes, using weapons smuggled into the US, and aren't nearly as dangerous as a trained marksman actually aiming.

That part was my sarcasm leaking out... sorry.

Yes, which is why it's stupid.  It does, however, work frequently with open bolt guns until the sear craps out fully and empties the entire clip.  I suspect there are S/A rifles capable of simple modifications resulting in automatic fire, but apparently the AR-15 is not one of them because Armalite deliberately designed it to not do that.

Also, milling a piece of metal is not as hard as you make it sound.

Also, I missed this the first time: bump firing is fucking stupid.  Seriously, you are a retard if you try it.

What I find weird is that the kid shot herself, surely this kind of reverse underarm shooting would be quite a tricky maneuver for a three year old to pull off on first attempt? Or maybe it would be easier for them that way? anyway shame she didn't accidentally shoot the dad.

Perhaps she was picking the gun up, it was pointing towards her and she had her hand around the trigger and the grip as she was lifting it off the table?

Regardless, I agree with your other point.

If I had to guess, I'd say that she found the trigger to be harder to pull than on the Wii gun, and the easiest way for a small child to solve that problem is to turn that sucker around and use a thumb or two instead.

K, just checking. Because I figured as much.

Yes in fact, sadly, this is likely correct :(

Solution : They should make triggers easier to pull for three year olds so they can shoot their parents.

It would have been awesome if she had emptied a clip into the television.

I find it hard to think of anything awesome about a three year old having a loaded gun, even if no one is hurt.

I do wish it had been the step-dad rather than her.

The thing is that it probably WAS the step-dad, or the mother who actually shot the little girl as they obviously had no idea how to safely handle a firearm.  It's a lot easier to blame the dead little girl and try to call it an accident than it is to own up to manslaughter (or murder) charges.

Nerf: watching too much House? :awesome_for_real:

Everybody lies.

Not to paint devils to the wall or defend the guy or anything.

But there is alot of damning going on without details, that rings in my ears as "oh totally, I'm way above being that stupid, that guy is so dumb, unlike me, I'd never do that"

Since there really seems to be little to no details in the article about this, without getting all Inspector Gadget and falling back to sterotypes, this is how I first thought the situation might have happened.

This guy and his wife hear noises outside their home, panic, get nervous and scared, big adrenaline rush as this guy goes into an unknown situation with the intention of protecting his family. Turns out it was nothing, adrenaline still pumping and  a huge fucking sigh of relief, absentmindedly sets gun down on table hold head and take a sigh of relief that it was nothing. Kids shot herself.

Stupid of the guy in this situation? Sure. But I put my coffee pot in the fridge sometimes from far less distracting thoughts.

Again, not really an attempt to defend the guy here, more of a counterpoint. I don't know the details either, I just like to think him losing his kid to his own stupid mistake will wrack him with guilt for the rest of his life.
But that is me being all optimistic and stuff. More likely he attempted to justify his actions as correct, in which case, fuck this guy.

There's an universal truth that states that accidents happen and somebody will always fuck up.

Take a thousand careful parents, mix them with a thousand responsible gun owners and you'll also net one idiot who can't be anything but an irresponsible douche, even to his children. Maybe this guy was like that.

Still everybody screws things up, maybe not with a gun, but we all fuck up something sometimes and sometimes things go horribly wrong.
There are probably hundreds of ways my kids could have killed themselves in my house had circumstances been just 'right'.
Maybe this guy tried to be an awesome dad but fucked everything up in a moment of stress. He wouldn't be the first.

Policy towards an issue should never be dictated because of the actions of some fringe lunatics.
Freak accidents will always happen.
But sometimes people are just fucking irresponsible (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124595061&ft=1&f=1001).

You'd think "Never give this weapon to a child." would have at least been printed in the owner's manual of that weapon, or something.

Fuck, that kind of stupid you can't prevent.

A child is dead.  There was a gun involved.  I don't need any more details.

I had gun safety drilled into my head from a young age because my parents understood the dangers of guns.  There should never, ever, be a loaded weapon not in someone's hand.  It's inexcusable, and this is exactly the reason why.

Pretty much this 100%. If you're a responsible gun owner, then you know that the ONLY time there's a round in chamber or even a loaded clip near the gun regardless of type is when it's in your hand.

The title of this thread should be,"Little girl dies to extreme stupidity and complete lack of responsibility!"

And by contrast these guys were letting their 3 year old play a WII game with a replica gun peripheral unauthorized by Nintendo.

Yeah, I wasn't attempting to generate an excuse for this. There isn't.
I'm also not really invested in it either. I don't have kids, it wasn't my kid. I can acknowledge it as a sad and tragic thing, but it personally doesn't affect me. Shitty way to look at it I guess, but honest.

The part that personally affected me was the little scenario I like to believe might have happened here. It's a good reason I don't personally own a gun. I have nothing against them what so ever, but due to the rather instant nature in which mistakes with handling one can lead to death, I just opt to keep my firearms off grounds and break them out for target practice.

Losing a child due to a huge fucking mistake like that I would wager would be torture for life, and if it did happen to me, I'd likely be considering taking my own life, no further punishment needed. I like to think this guy is in that boat right now, but that again is me being all optimistic and hopeful.

If we do put together the sparse details, it is easy to assume that isn't the case here, this guy is just an irresponsible ass who may very well be pulling the "It ain't my fault!" card. I can't sympathize with that at all.

Like Sir T said, and has been pointed out, who lets their child play with a life like facsimile of a toy gun like that, while owning a gun that looks very much like it. Likely not the guy in the scenario I painted.

This is horrible, and with a 3 year old in the house I can tell you that all it takes is for the kid to see mommy or daddy doing something and they'll try to do it too. It's why I've had to move most of my hobbies into the basement and only do them at night. Sadly it's nothing too exciting: Modeling, lead miniatures, woodcarving, etc... stuff with poisonous chemicals and sharp knives. The very first thing we did was get rid of my guns completely.

That being said, I like to tell my friend who's a cop that if I ever commit a crime with a gun, I'm gluing extra plastic stuff on it, painting it green, and dipping the tip in safety orange paint. He's not amused, but I'm sure I'm not the only person to think of it.

I'm fairly certain I drew that one here.  Good to know adbots love me too.

EDIT: And the ad is gone, now I feel unloved.

With many things in life, there is no right way to do it really. There is the way each person prefers to handle it, but not one universal and proper way to do whatever it is.

Firearms are an exception to this. I've been shooting since I was three years old. I can still remember my father teaching me how to shoot with the b.b. gun, and proper gun handling was drilled into my mind at a subconscious level without any of the fun being removed from sporting with firearms. It may be my opinion, but there is absolutely no way to have an accident like this happen, not even through well intended mistakes, without violating the right way to handle a firearm.

The minute you bring out a weapon, the rules change. You are not allowed to be yourself, kid around, or do anything other than handle the weapon properly and use it for its intended purpose. You have to enter a different mental state. There is no exception to this, because exceptions hurt. When I went through Army training, they validated this same message in their own way. If you are holding a weapon, you are bound by an extremely different set of rules.

Irresponsibility is not allowed in those rules. There is no in-between. When the rules are broken, bad things happen.

I have firearms in my house. I also have children in my house. Now that I think of it, I have more firearms than children in the house by about a factor of 2. My house is no less safe for my children, because my firearms are kept properly and in accordance with doing things the right way. Should you ever read a news report about anyone in my home who is not an intruder getting hurt, you can be certain that I didn't follow the right way and deserve whatever jail time comes with it. No defense is tolerable as an excuse.

BTW, the link to the Uzi story is pure WTF??? I am not even sure how to process what I read there...

For his 10th birthday they were going to buy him a hooker.