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AV Club this time, 15 best of the 00's in video games.  I can see most of their choices but Bioshock for #1?  Yikes.  Also I'm so fucking bored of the holidays, egg nog is great though, if you add enough alcohol.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-15-best-videogames-of-the-00s,35642/

From first to 15th:
bioshock
katamari damacy
fallout 3
rock band
portal
WoW
ico
GTA: vice city
FF12
L4D
advance wars
braid
ninja gaiden
sims
SSX3

Bioshock? Really? I mean, the first half was great, but that plot twist wasn't as surprising as the article lets on, and the second half of the game just barreled downhill. I mean, at least they didn't pick a Halo, but still.

Bad list is bad.

A lot of idiots think Bioshock is the most awesome thing they've ever played.  Mostly you'll hear it being dropped by WoW players as their awesome game reference when they want to do comparisons. It makes me a bit ill.

It's just god damn terrible. As all of these are.

Advance Wars should be Valkyria Chronicles. Or Disgaea.

Bioshock should be Demon's Souls or Resident Evil 4.

Rock Band should be Guitar Hero. Yea yea, same devs, whatever, don't care. Really though, they were the worst thing to happen to gaming this decade.

Katamari is perfect.

ICO should be Shadow of the Colossus. But this is OK.

GTA should be God of War.

FF12 should be Shadowhearts: Covenant.

Braid should be stricken from the list. Shit, replace it with Passage or some other indie sweetheart. Don't care if they're free. Shit, replace it with NoiZ2. I don't care, just remove Braid. New Super Mario DS would be a decent replacement too.

Ninja Gaiden should also be God of War. Let's say 2.

Sims should be, well, The Sims I guess. Sims 2 maybe.

SSX3 is an interesting post.

Edit: I don't know why I even respond to stuff like this, I play more games than anyone I know. Period. So uhhhhh. Can't blame them too much.

I like Shadow of the Colossus more than Ico, but nice seeing it there. List is whack though (what list isn't). That's kind of a list of "recent" games. Fallout 3? Really? For fuck's sake, as far as rpg's go, Diablo 2, Deus Ex, BG2 all came out in the same year, and that's just the start of the decade.

[edit] I think we've all been trolled, and pretty much respond similarly. Thank you Hoax  :grin:

The ten best games of the decade is a stupid list to begin with.  If you're doing the ten best games of the year, you might be able to reach consensus on what the best games were based on the fact that only maybe fifty games of note were released and most of them sucked.  But in the last decade, there's been a ton of good stuff, and nobody is going to agree what goes where.

And mixing "games as art" with "games for the masses" on the same scale is straying into crazy territory.

Yeah, I get GOTY conversations.  Just a simple "what's your personal favorite game that came out this year" thing.  Doing it for a whole Decade?  That's a time span covering the end of the PS1 and Dreamcast era to where we are now, a few years into the 360/PS3 era.  Like Stray said, when Diablo 2 doesn't make the list, there's a problem.

But then everybody should know by now that websites only put lists like this up because they get posted to forums where they then generate controversy and page clicks.  It's a quick and easy way to get attention.

If you read the little blurbs that go with that list it's pretty apparent that the people who made it know basically nothing about games.

It seems like the list is nothing more than 15 games they could remember the names of.

Apparently Bioshock is on the list because it invented the morality choice dynamic (LOL) and Ninja Gaiden is on the list because it sucks in every way. Makes sense!

Best of lists are shitty enough without being picked by committee.

Ninja Gaiden definitely does not suck. I wouldn't even have owned the first shitty Xbox without it. Whether it deserves a "best of" decade thing is another thing entirely. There are many great games of that 3rd person beat em up variety. I've played many of them. Not sure if I'd even crown God of War as the "best". Some of the Prince of Persia games are just as good. With more variety to boot for not making you push through the story solely through combat. Better bosses too.

If you read their explanation for why they chose Ninja Gaiden it's one long complaint. I'm not saying I think it sucks (although I do think that), they *chose* it for that reason.

I just read it.. Umm, I don't think they're complaining.. are they? ??? They're just saying it's over the top. Par for the course with every Japanese game ever. Besides, if you're going to reward a game for cornyness and difficulty, and being something that few complete, then it is Devil May Cry 3.

Meh, another shitty list from another (who?) website.

Not sure where Rasix is getting his "Bioshock = Wow players = mouthbreathers" thing from though. WoW players are as diverse a demo as anything else, and despite not having played really for a year, I'd never have chosen Bioshock as anything more than a well-spent $5 on steam sale that I should get around to finishing sometime. I think you'd find similar enthusiasm for the game in our Wow forums or most any other ones. Along with "what's Bioshock?"

Top Games Most Talked About maybe. GYAH I hate people who make lists!

Top lists I hate.

1. Video Games.

I don't mind the Ralph/Maxim style top 100 hottest women of the year type things.

As long as they're illustrated.

bioshock - meh
katamari damacy - ok
fallout 3 - possibly but not top 3
rock band - wtf
portal - sure
WoW - suppose so
ico - beret brigade bullshit entry
GTA: vice city - ok
FF12 - what now?
L4D - late decade bias much?
advance wars - meh
braid - beret brigade II
ninja gaiden - le sigh
sims - yeah, I guess it has to be
SSX3 - jesus christ  :facepalm:



This is true.



Things I can think of right off the top of my head that self evidently should appear above almost all of that shit:

One of the total wars, which ever you think is best.
Vampire Bloodlines
Splinter Cell
TF2
Given how much you guys went on and on about it - God of War
Thief 2
Freespace 2
Probably Dragon Age, but ask again in a year.
EVE
Maybe a Max Payne
Deus Ex

ICO is "beret brigade bullshit"? That sounds like criticism but wtf does that even mean..?

SSX3 is quite good. Certainly not a facepalm at the very least. It doesn't sound like you played either of these.

MGS is better than anything Splinter Cell. Not to mention being a series that broke the ground before it. And if there was a recent game that can cast a big shadow over a decade of games, it's 4. Many stealthers are absolutely great fun, but that is a goddamn masterpiece. [edit] Same goes for the Guitar Heroes/Rock Bands. How is that a "Wtf"? God you're worse than the guy who made the list.  :why_so_serious:

So, when do we find out people like different games?

No, you are wrong!!!!!111!  :uhrr:

Seriously though.. I have no problem with a "Decade" list. But 1) It should be made by some freak who's actually played a great deal of them and 2) It should be things that actually set a standard or drive a genre forward. Things like Sims, Guitar Hero, WoW, and GTA definitely qualify. You can't even think of the games of the last 10 years without thinking of them. They're so big that most non-gamers know all about them. Fallout 3? Not so much.. SSX3 and Advance Wars probably not either, even if they're good.

Well then I believe F13 should compile a completely arbitrary top 10 games of the decade.  :grin:

Number one should definitely be Bioshock.

The only game I could remotely compare to Bioshock is the Metroid Prime series. Umm Metroid certainly looks like shit in comparison, but I think anyone of thm are better overall.

bioshock - Fuck you
katamari damacy - Ok, I'll buy this. Katamari is the shiz.
fallout 3 - If you consider all the DLCs included, I'll bite.
rock band - Top 10? Hell no.
portal - Fuck yeah
WoW - Fuck no, a shitton of mouthbreathers subbing does not a great game make.
ico - Gotta go with Schild and say Shadow is a better choice without any doubt.
GTA: vice city - Really? No, Really? Fuck you.
FF12 - Fuck you too.
L4D - Maybe number 10.
advance wars - Fuck you
braid - Fuck you too
ninja gaiden - Fuck you three
sims - Again, a massive amount of box sales does not make a game great. That said, if you take them all into consideration, I'll give you this one.
SSX3 - What. The. Fuck.

I think WoW should get a little more credit than its population.

What?  SSX 3 was great.

Shame EA never got around to making a sequel.  (On Tour and Blur do not exist.)

I don't even like sports games and I enjoyed SSX.

2. Greatest Guitar Players of All Time

I also liked SSX3, but forgot about it until they mentioned it. I'd say Tony Hawk 3 was probably the better game between the two. I'd lean toward GTA:SA being the better game, but Vice City was undoubtedly a major breakthrough in game design, how many years did we hear about GTA clones, or anything sandboxy being GTA-like. Also, I love GTA, so there.

I'd also agree with WoW, some nice polish and accessibility to the diku formula (though I'd say EQ2 because it's the better game  :awesome_for_real:). Fallout 3, maybe.

Whar's the Civ4 love? Civ4 + mods = wickedness, FFH2 alone is on my top ten list of the decade. I might have said Civ3, but FFH2 pushes it to 4. And where's BF1942?

OK, Battlefield 1942. I am not a traditional fps fan, but I wasted much time in it.. and it spawned many ideas that are common today. So much so that I don't even care to play them! Because I already played BF1942. It was that "innovative", as far as shooters go.

Why haven't we created a "Best of..." list for the worst Best of lists?

THIS

One thousand times this, that should be our yearly tradition.  Top 5 most inaccurate "best of" lists posted this year.  I fucking love that idea.


 :grin: :grin: :grin:

Just imagine if our list made our list!

That list is missing NFL 2k5 as the greatest sports video game ever (fuck you, Madden), Deus Ex as the great story that Bioshock wanted to be, Battlefield 2 as the game that made unlocks necessary in multiplayer FPS's, Vampire Bloodlines as a real RPG, Resident Evil 4, and Gran Turismo 4 (or one of the Forza's - I'm easy that way). No MMO, not even the wildly successful juggernaut WoW should be on there, as MMO's are shitty games barely held together with spit, bailing wire and friendships.

I hate late December. Always with these retarded lists. And I hate it more every 10 years when they do decades. We've got the top 87 tech flops of the decade, the (most recent) list of best Batmans, Vaporware 2009, and more "best of" games lists from people who I don't know with opinions I don't care about. Who are the A.V. Club and why should I care?

That's it!  I am now removing you from my best posters of 2009 list. You will rue this day, RUE, I tell you!

Man I sure hope so! (http://www.askmen.com/women/galleries/actress/eva-la-rue/picture-2.html).

Heh. Rue. See what I did there? :-)

And here I thought he was just talking about streets.

Look, I hate the sims. I couldn't stand playing any iteration of it for more than an hour because it was mind numbing shit even not having actually paid for it I still felt I got ripped off. That said, there's no way you can't put in in any top ten list because it not only added a different playstyle but introduced gaming to thousands who had never even thought about it.

WoW is much the same in that regard and while you may not like it, may not even think it's a good game it is now almost a household name and whether you like it or not, that does count for something. I'm not saying popularity should be the stick measure by here but I certainly believe that it is one factor.  I have friends that think the icewind dale games were the best thing since sliced bread...they are wrong of coursebut personal opinion no matter how strong for or against can only go so far.

Also I don't think it's been said but I'd put Okami in the top ten for not only beautiful artwork but a fun playstyle that while not wholly original was very refined and a wonderful story, definitely one of the best action-rpg's ever.

(http://sctv.org/characters/larue/larue2.jpg)

That should also be in the awesome pics thread. God damn I miss that fat man.

Rome: TW, Deus Ex, and Diablo II would all be on my list. Granted Diablo 2 barely makes it into this decade, but whatever.

That's part of the problem.  Saying something is the "best game" is pretty vague.  Does that mean that the most people liked it (I.E. sales popularity)?  That it was the most innovative/unique?  That it was very influential and widely copied?  Or is it just a list of games the guy making the list had fun with (I suspect this is the correct answer, and also the most useless to everyone else).

I mean, to say that something like Braid is better than, say, Unreal Tournament 2k4...  How would you even make that kind of a judgement?  They have almost nothing in common which allows you to say that one is better than the other, unless you're going to start making general judgements like "side scrolling games are better than FPSes" which you can't make without ending up with a list of fifteen side scrollers.

If I made a top 5, I'd just leave it at personal biases. A top 15 would be even handed.

Twin Snakes.. Which is sorta cheating. Maybe. I don't know.
Beyond Good and Evil
Shadow of the Colossus
Deus Ex
Marvel vs Capcom 2

Valkyria Chronicles.. I want to put you there. Sorry.

Guys, its the AV Club. Do you read their movie and music lists? They're not exactly striving for Everyone Must Agree consensus in general.

You didn't even read the threat, did you?

This right here. I evangelize about Shadow Hearts 2 to everyone I can, and those who end up playing it thank me later.

One of my favorite RPGs of all time.

The threat? Where? To whom? I'm confused.

[edit] I've looked this thread 2 times now. I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you cross referencing another thread??  :ye_gods: :grin:

Taking humor lessons from Sky?

Not yet. I've only made that joke once.

The only thing I can think I did "wrong" was bump Valkyria off. Well, besides just making a list to begin with. :oh_i_see:

If you come across any more "Best of" lists, post them in this thread.

Best 30 Games of the Decade (http://www.damnlag.com/articles/roundtables/184-the-best-30-games-decade.html) - Damn Lag
Best 20 Games of the Decade (http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2009/11/the-20-best-video-games-of-the-decade.html?p=1) - Paste Magazine

Might wait until some of the bigger sites release their Best of the 2000s lists, but this is a solid idea.

Annoyingly I've just seen that System Shock 2 came out right at the very end of 1999, because I was going to put that in any list over BioShock. Deus Ex should certainly be there.

Best breasts of the decade - Maxim (http://www.maxim.co.uk/girls/celebrity/19408/best_breasts_of_the_decade_20002009.html)

Actually, I just googled "best breasts of the decade" after seeing your post to see if anything would come up because I thought it would be funny to make a joke about but too stupid for anyone to have actually put together... I really should have less faith in my fellow man.

Scarlett Johannson didn't make the list but a bunch of fake boobs did? What a terrible list.

Hey, I didn't say it was a good list!

Top 10 Games of the Decade (http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/top-10-games-of-the-decade/top-10-games-of-the-decade/1382595) - Yahoo! Games (complete with 2 Wii titles)
Top 50 Games of the Decade (http://www.destructoid.com/the-top-50-videogames-of-the-decade-10-1--155591.phtml) - Destructoid
Best Video Games of the Decade (by Category) (http://atlanta.metromix.com/tv/essay_photo_gallery/best-video-games-of/1673009/photo/1674695) - Metromix Atlanta (reading the winner's list, I'd almost swear the judges started playing games in 2007)
Top 25 Games of the Decade (http://www.gamezone.com/news/12_25_09_10_16AM.htm) - Gamezone
The Top Ten Video Games of 2000-2009 According to My Husband (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2511115/the_top_ten_video_games_of_20002009_pg3.html?cat=15) - Associated Content (in fact, there are a bunch of these lists on there, but this wins for title alone)
7 Gayest Offbeat Video Games of the Decade (http://www.bilerico.com/2009/12/7_gayest_offbeat_video_games_of_the_decade.php) - Bilerico Project

Awesome list that compares the highest critically rated titles vs the best selling titles (http://www.mcvuk.com/features/615/Top-20-Games-of-the-Decade) and finds very little overlap.


If you want, you can combine breasts and video games for a "Sexiest Game Babes List (http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-sexiest-game-babes-of-2009/a-20091222143836467061)". But why would you want to?  :why_so_serious:

Funny thing about that metacritic list of the last decade.

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 for the Dreamcast WOULD be on my list.

It's probably the best "sports" game ever made.

That's a fucking crime.

SSX Tricky imo.

That Metacritic vs. alleged sales rank list is the only interesting one I've clicked on from this thread so far.

No this is a crime:
Top 10 sexy nerds of 2009 (http://sexynerd.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/sexy-nerds-of-200900/)
Note this list has almost no boobs at all and doesn't include Olivia Munn? Seriously? WTF?

No, that list was written by a Whedonite. It's not a crime, just misguided bullshit.

SSX Tricky was my favorite of the SSXs I played (was 3 the last one? If so I played alla 'em). I had a total crush on the hippie dude. I think Sims 2 was a better game than The Sims (and Sims 3 has potential to be better than Sims 2, but isn't yet), but I suppose they felt The Sims was TEH BREAKTHRU or whatever (I didn't read the actual article). I also prefer Rock Band over Guitar Hero 'cause I like playing with other people a loooooot (although I admit I haven't played the band-sized versions of GH, although at that point I imagine it's a playlist preference than anything game-wise?).

None of you care, but I posted anyway!  :drill:

The Sims deserves a spot on the "Most Important Games of this Decade" but not a "Best Of."

Most of the time people make lists, they do it wrong simply because words are hard.

Very misguided. Dushku on the list...seriously?

Like I said, Whedonite. I'm sure you can somehow trace Bledel to Whedon also.

Well, The Sims deserves a spot on MY "Best of" because I played the fuck out of it. But I agree, a lot of the time "Important" gets confused with "Best."

Spending a lot of time with a "game" doesn't make the game itself "fun."

The Sims, in a vacuum, is a terrible game - it's a poorly organized badly hacked together sandbox without any sand. I can see what people like doing in it and I suppose if I made a "Top Ten Most Cathartic Games" it would be on there.

I don't play the fuck out of games I don't find fun. <shrug>

On one hand, you can't really do 10 'best' games without backloading on the most recent titles since (in theory) newer titles build on and improve on the older titles. But then it comes down to defining what 'best' is. Is The Sims better than The Sims 3 because it came first and started it all, or is the The Sims 3 better than The Sims because it is more polished? Plus people have an inherent bias towards their most recent experiences (immediacy effect iirc) so the majority of titles released post 2007 stand out more readily than those that were released before 2004.

And then there is comparing 'best' games across platforms, including handhelds. Destructoid tried, but I think doing a Top 50 list is cheating to a degree since you can make people happy that it just appeared on the list. Make a list long enough and you don't have to exclude anything.

I'd rather see a "10 Best and Most Important Games" list because that that requires a little less handwavium to explain why a title should appear on a list - it was good but also actually important to video games. Gears of War is seen as a good game by a lot of people, but it is an pretty unimportant title in the grand scheme of things.

Top ten games that didn't make Game of the Year 2009 (http://www.destructoid.com/top-ten-games-that-didn-t-make-game-of-the-year-2009-158811.phtml)

Civilization IV is arguably the best video game ever made.  Any top-15 list without that game on it is shit for that reason alone.  If you have a different opinion, your opinion is wrong.

I have a different opinion of it being the "best ever", but it deserves a place on a list like that sure. I've been playing the same basic thing since I was a little kid, and I still haven't gotten bored.

There was On Tour after 3, which made me cry, and Blur for the Wii... which was 3 with all the joy beaten from it.

Any top games list that doesn't have Half Life 2 at the top of the list is wrong (according to me). :grin:

So basically I played all of them.  :why_so_serious:

Deus Ex is probably the most important title imo in the last decade since it did more for changing how people thought FPS titles could work and how RPGs could blend along with a great, partially player-driven story. The most important factor was the level design - you could complete objectives in multiple ways that were all equally valid.

Dead Rising gets my vote on the Xbox 360 as a title other than Halo that made the platform worth having and also for tackling the zombie genre from a fresh angle.

WoW deserves its place on any list of the decade - 'best' or not, its popularity and impact on the gaming industry can't be ignored.

I actually like this list.


Then many in the industry are going to be damned by you. (Gamasutra's Top 12 of the Decade) (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4227/gamasutras_top_12_games_of_the_.php)

This is a respectable list and the commentary made me think about these games in new ways.

Some of the commentary is pretty interesting. I do find picking Mass Effect over BG2 somewhat odd considering they went with the 'progenitor' games for a couple other spots, Sims and GTA3.

The gamasutra list is just downright boring, even with Deus Ex at number 2.

I want to kill that list by stabbing it in the eyes with my rigid cock. Bejeweled? WoW? HALO? WII FIT?

FFFUUUUUUUUU

I dunno about that, I mean it's definitely shown that all that stuff is possible, but in terms of it being important, I think it would have to be something the industry really jumped on, and aside from System/Bioshock and maybe kinda Vampire: Bloodlines, I don't know of many games which follow after it in those respects.  Mostly, they keep following the old "run-n-gun between story cutscenes" formula.

"Important" to me would be something like WoW or GTA3: a game where almost every entry in the genre that was developed after it is derivative of it.

Here's a good and shitty best of list to add to the pile...

Massively's (http://www.massively.com/2009/12/30/massivelys-top-5-news-stories-of-2009/) top 5 MMO news stories of 2009..

That's a bad, bad list.

Mass Effect and Fallout 3 both draw a lot from Deus Ex - Not to say they're as good (although both definitely have better combat).

[edit] In fact... That's why I'd never reward those with a "best of" spot. They didn't bring anything particularly new. And to me, that's what a standout game is all about.. Not knowing wtf is going on, playing by new rules, and having fun figuring it all out. There are a lot of great games, but there aren't too many games like that even throughout 10 years of gaming. You know like a Katamari or something. The only exception I'd make for a game that isn't particularly innovative, that I'd give a "best of" spot to, is World of Warcraft -- but that's tied into the fact that the MMO genre is fubar, and just accomplishing something fairly coherent and functional like Blizzard did should be called "a fresh take". "Holy shit! It actually works! This is new.."

I thought BG2 was late-90s, but you're right.  Shit's gotta be in there too.

I'm not sure I agree. Darts in Deus Ex flew straight and true and there was absolutely zero mouse lag. In fact, yea, I'd say the combat in Deus Ex was better. Might not have LOOKED better, but it was better. Shame the AI in it was retarded to the max. Though Fallout 3 is pretty close (HE'S COMING STRAIGHT FOR US!). Mass Effect at least had enemies that utilized cover decently and didn't just run for the alarm.

Since we're linking other lists.  Here's Game Informer's Top 200 of all time. (http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=105214)

I've got the issue, and their reasoning for the placement of most of them was based on quality, cultural relevance and industry impact.  There's detailed explanations for all of the top 114. After that it gets spotty, but I can post t hem if anyone requests it.

I got pretty hardcore with egg nog this year.  Got AA rated eggs, (never even knew about them until Alton told me) fresh cream, 15 year old scotch, real cinnamon sticks, real vanilla bean, and real fresh nutmeg i grated over it.  Frothy and creamy as fuck.

Yeah, basically.  Although I never "got" Disgaea.

Anyways, whatever list has Deus Ex at least in the Top 3 is good to me *pats Gamasutra on the head*

I like their choice for #30.

Someone was.

[edit] Damn, nevermind. :uhrr:

A couple of years back didn't we already collect all the data for the final list of the 20 best games ever, weren't there going to spreadsheets and charts and shit?

Whatever happened to that?

The Game Informer list is terrible. Not because of the inclusions but because of the order. The only thing they got right was making sure Final Fantasy VI was before IV or VII or any other Final Fantasy. I ought 3 issues though and intend to frame them because the work they did on the covers was just FANTASTIC. Possibly the best covers they've ever made. The Tetris one is straight up art. The Final Fantasy VI one has a Kefka Sprite laughing on the back. Just fantastic.

You know, at one point just for the hell of it I compiled all that data in a spreadsheet myself and the end results were a lot less interesting than the individual Top 20 lists themselves.  It's more fun to see what made the cut for each person than it is to see that WoW and Diablo 2 were on more lists than any other game.  It becomes less of a Top 20 list when you compile everything like that, and more of a "games the most people here played" list.

I'd be more interested in doing new Top 20 lists and seeing how peoples' tastes have changed in the two years or so since the previous lists, and now that we're a couple more years into the current console cycle, what recent stuff makes the cut (I'm fairly sure Demon's Souls or Dragon Age would end up on a number of lists).

I compiled all the data into a spreadsheet as well, in no meaningful order. Started ripping it apart to make a total top 20 and such. I had no clue what to do with it afterwards. The Top 20 was incredibly predictable, and while some people had favorites here and there, I probably could've just made a predictive top 20 and been about right on the money. We should do something like it again, but yea, after this console gen is over as it's had some incredible standouts that lots of folks have played (versus the PS2 era).

Edit: If I could find that spreadsheet, I'd attach it to this post.

I was happy to see Vagrant Story make it into Gamasutra's honourable mentions - I loved that game.

Best of the Decade (http://techland.com/2009/12/11/best-of-the-decade-video-games/) - Techland
Top 10 Games of the Decade (http://www.everyview.com/2009/12/30/top-ten-games-of-the-decade/) - Everyview (6 lists from 6 people)
Best Console Games of the Decade (http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/12/30/tenyears-the-best-console-games-of-the-decade/) - Crunch Gear
Best PC Games of the Decade (http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/12/31/tenyears-pc-games-of-the-decade/) - Crunch Gear
10 Best Games of the Decade (http://www.bitrebels.com/geek/10-best-games-of-the-decade/) - Bit Rebels

Microsoft just mailed me a "best of 2009" list.  Enjoy! :why_so_serious:

http://www.xbox.com/en-AU/community/events/bestof2009/default.htm

Sounds more like "by money made" and "number of downloads" rather than a best of.

Not a "best of" list, but here are the top selling video games for 2009:


1. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Infinity Ward, Activision), Xbox 360
2. Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo), Wii
3. New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo), Wii
4. Wii Fit (Nintendo), Wii
5. Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo), Wii
6. Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo), Wii
7. Wii Play (Nintendo), Wii
8. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Infinity Ward, Activision), PlayStation 3
9. Halo 3: ODST (Bungie, Microsoft), Xbox 360
10. Pokemon Platinum Version (Nintendo), NDS

Microsoft does say "best and most popular" in the header, so I take "best" to mean "most profitable" while "most popular" is readily apparent.

All game videos are stupid. That shit needs to go away.

[edit] I mean "Machinima" specifically. Not sure what Major League Gaming does for vids. Probably something stupid too.

Source? Only ask because a few places have different lists. Or my Google Fu is borked. Or both.

I assume that's a North America only sort of list from the looks of it, too.

Yeah. These "best of" list compilers really need to work out if they're going for the "progenitor" games or the later, more polished/shiny/bigger versions of the same games. And do it before they compile their individual lists.

GTA3 or Saints Row 2? One pretty much created the genre, the other is arguably the best in the genre so far, with way more shiney and polish.



You're surprised that Microsoft defines "best" using those parameters?

Yes, totally surprised. Taken aback even.

Pfft

NPD's top 10 games of all time
Disclaimer: Accounting for games sold from 1995 to present and nothing from the PC because that market is dead to us

• Wii Play
• Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
• Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
• Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
• Wii Fit
• Mario Kart w/ Wheel
• Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
• Madden NFL '07
• Call of Duty: World at War
• Namco Museum

I had to look up Namco Museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namco_Museum) and it strangely makes me a bit happy knowing something like that did so well even if the parameters for this list suck. Though looking at the games bundled I can't help but picture some old fart going "Oh yeah! Galaga, Pac Man, fuck they even got Pole Position. This takes me way back. *looks further down the list*....

...Bosconian? What Euro trash is this?!

Toy Pop. What dweeb fucking played Toy Pop?"

*pacemaker goes into overdrive*

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