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Title: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Azazel on December 05, 2009, 11:45:25 AM edit - changed heading since the game won it's appeal and I want to talk about it. The game, not the appeal.
From Kotaku (apparently) via NZGamer. Quote Kotaku.com are reporting that Rebellion’s latest Alien vs Predator is the latest game to receive the honor of being banned in Australia. “What will Rebellion do to water it down and will it be in our version?” you might ask. The answer is nothing. Rebellion issued the following statement in response to the banning. "Rebellion is disappointed that its upcoming title Aliens vs. Predator has been banned in Australia. However, as we understand the law in that country the authorities had no choice as we agree strongly that our game is not suitable for game players who are not adults." "The content of AvP is based on some of the most innovative and iconic horror movies, and as such we wanted to create a title that was true to the source material,” In other words, movies did it first. ”It is for adults, and it is bloody and frightening, that was our intent. We will not be releasing a sanitised or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices." So unless Aussie gamers stage nationwide protests to change the OLFC’s mind/get the legislation for game ratings updated, or Rebellion changes their mind – the Australians will have to go without. While getting hold of the game via my usual sources will be easy enough, it'll suck in terms of getting hold of DLC (since they don't release fucking proper expansion packs anymore these days) and also for locally-hosted MP games. http://nzgamer.com/all/news/3604/aliens-vs-predator-is-banned-in-australia.html Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Ironwood on December 05, 2009, 11:49:26 AM I love that statement. Fucking Gold right there.
Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Hoax on December 05, 2009, 11:56:18 AM Yeah big thumbs up to the devs for releasing that statement.
Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Azazel on December 05, 2009, 12:01:44 PM Yep, I have to give them credit for sticking to their guns.
Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Samprimary on December 05, 2009, 06:03:21 PM Yeah, hats off to Rebellion. Not only are they staying true to their namesake ..
Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Azazel on December 05, 2009, 06:26:17 PM We'll just have to see if the game itself is any good, or a total abortion like Rogue Warrior. :uhrr:
Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: UnSub on December 05, 2009, 10:03:54 PM I don't see this as Rebellion sticking to their guns so much as being able to drum up some extra publicity for themselves.
Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Ironwood on December 06, 2009, 12:29:20 AM We'll just have to see if the game itself is any good, or a total abortion like Rogue Warrior. :uhrr: No idea what Rogue Warrior was, but having browsed all the videos, they've done the same trick as they did with AvP2 : Taken AvP1 and redone it with a smarter engine. AvP3 will be the SAME game, but with nicer graphics. Apparently, they still refuse to fix the 'Alien Speed' issue, but it's claimed that you will be able to unlock the fast mode somehow. AvP2 totally lost me with the Alien campaign because it was too fucking slow. Pussies who got motion sickness with the first game should be told to Suck It Up. Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Azazel on December 06, 2009, 12:51:30 AM Rogue Warrior is a Rebellion-developed FPS that came out only a few days ago which is one of the biggest turds shat out by any developer recently. Shit gameplay, 2-hour SP campaign, shit online gameplay. It's based on Richard Marcinko, who founded SEAL Team Six, wrote a series of entertaining but ever-more exaggerated anecdotes about his life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_Warrior_(video_game)#Reception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Marcinko While we can hope that their B-Team were working on RW and their A-Team were working on AVP, unfortunately, AvP3 has as much a chance of being a licenced, pretty-looking turd, or a licenced, pretty-looking consolised disappointment as any other game. MW2 anyone? Borderlands? I hope it's not, but there ya go. Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: NowhereMan on December 06, 2009, 06:29:59 AM Hopefully they will just remake AvP2 with some minor fixes. It might not be Game of the Year but at least it won't be bad. It seems wrong to hope that they don't try to change and innovate since in FPS recently change seems to equal changing it for the console.
Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Kageru on December 08, 2009, 12:54:34 AM Good on them. Also means they've got no reason to block grey imports working in Australia (as MW2 did). The entire Australian market for the game ordering from play-asia should get some retailers whining here. Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Lantyssa on December 08, 2009, 09:51:07 AM AvP2 totally lost me with the Alien campaign because it was too fucking slow. Pussies who got motion sickness with the first game should be told to Suck It Up. I got it because of the funky vision, not the speed.Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: KallDrexx on December 08, 2009, 08:49:20 PM AvP multiplayer was pure win, I hope they can make this work well. I have many memories of LAN-ning up the first one with a bunch of friends and stalking each other around.
Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Ashamanchill on December 10, 2009, 10:18:12 AM AvP multiplayer was pure win, I hope they can make this work well. I have many memories of LAN-ning up the first one with a bunch of friends and stalking each other around. Fuck did playing as the alien in that ever rock. The predator was overpowered I seem to recall, that damn disc took everything out. Picking the marine was like taking a handicap. Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: KallDrexx on December 10, 2009, 11:58:01 AM Yeah but marine was fun just for the getting scared shit-less factor.
Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Fraeg on December 10, 2009, 12:51:53 PM That was the game that made me realize a twitch player I am not. I loved playing the alien but when playing pvp vs a buddy who was a marine there was non stop laughter coming from him. On his screen he would see me suddenly appear and then go flying by him at mach 3 and then run into a wall. I loved playing the alien, but I was too sucky as a player to handle how fast it moved.
Kudos to the studio for saying "too bad so sad, but we won't censor our game" Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Velorath on December 18, 2009, 03:19:10 PM Sega wins appeal (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/26572/Aliens_Vs_Predator_Wins_Appeal_In_Australia.php).
Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: UnSub on December 19, 2009, 12:43:10 AM ... with the same Classification Board. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Azazel on December 19, 2009, 01:30:33 AM We're nothing if not consistent! :awesome_for_real:
This is good news though. I'll still buy it from HK or the UK to save on local retail gouging, but it'll mean I can find a local game, and the Meanwhile I'm going to have to write up a submission paper for the R18+ public consultation. :uhrr: Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: MahrinSkel on December 20, 2009, 02:22:16 AM The industry response to local classification boards is trending more and more towards "Who cares?" If the locals have some fetish about blood, or skeletons, or boobies, rather than re-build the game to satisfy them, just release it everywhere else and let the gray market take care of the rest. If I can order industrial laser diodes from China, or relabeled Cuban cigars from Honduras, and have them in my hands within 48 hours, how is some pissant little ratings board going to keep video games out?
Rating bans are good for free publicity, and not much else. --Dave Title: Re: Australia's OFLC strikes again! - Alien vs Predator Banned! Post by: Azazel on December 20, 2009, 03:22:02 PM I've happily grey-marketed many RC/unrated games (which is not illegal to do here at all, despite the potential of the great firewall to try and prevent that), but it does fuck with the ability to get the DLC etc in some cases.
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Azazel on January 31, 2010, 09:06:51 PM AvP Co-op will be glorious. You will die* for implying otherwise. *In-game. Quote The Co-Op Experience: AvP features a survival mode with Marines vs. waves of Aliens. Background: Developed by Rebellion, Aliens vs Predator features three separate campaigns for players to experience - all from different perspectives. Co-Op Information Local Co-Op: No Number of Players Offline: 0 Players Online Co-Op: Yes Number of Players Online: 4 Players LAN or System Link: Yes Number of Players via LAN or System link: 4 Players Splitscreen: No Playable Online with Splitscreen: No Number of Players Online with Splitscreen: 0 Players Drop-In / Drop-Out: No Co-Op Specific Content: Yes Single player content available in Co-Op: No So this is pretty effing disappointing. I'd hoped for a goodly chunk of proper co-op for this game rather than just PVP and Horde Mode. I'll almost definately be buying it on the PC, but if it had a proper co-op campaign mode (like Halo3, Gears/Gears 2, Borderlands, Saints Row 2, CoD:WaW) I'd have also bought 2 console copies, as I've done with ...well, all the games I just named. :mob: well, except CoD:WaW I've got the "Hunter Edition" on PC pre-ordered here at EB (yes, we get that over here for some reason). I'll just wait a couple of days after release, then check the internets to see if the facehugger is made of awesome, or if it's garbage like the AA Batarang. If it's crappy, I'll cancel the preorder and pick it up on steam. If it's awesome.. well, it's effectively a $50-60 facehugger for my collection of (awesome/useless) crap. ...I wonder if Bad Company 2 has co-op campaign? Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: NiX on February 01, 2010, 04:53:07 AM I should have specified that Co-op to me is playing with a friend on the same team, not just a campaign you can both do.
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Phire on February 01, 2010, 09:40:07 AM Pew pew pew can't wait to shoot some aliens later this month! Campaign coop or not it is still going to be awesome to play this with others.
The original game scared the piss out of me, I had a friend who would taunt my marine as an alien by destroying all the lights and would run around the maps setting my motion sensor off. I remember throwing a flare once and he was right there in my face starring at me... :ye_gods: Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Ironwood on February 01, 2010, 11:35:16 AM :heart:
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Azazel on February 01, 2010, 12:46:55 PM I should have specified that Co-op to me is playing with a friend on the same team, not just a campaign you can both do. yeaaaaaaahh that's called Multiplayer. I'm looking forward to this, but I'm terribly disappointed by the exclusion. Normal MP with most of the people being PUGS doesn't compare as a 2P experience. Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Megrim on February 05, 2010, 05:10:44 PM So, um, the demo that's on Steam... yea.
In terms of aesthetics, they've captured the feel of the Aliens films very well. The gameplay on the other hand - well that i'm not so sure about. The controls are unintuitive (at least for someone who played a lot of avp2) and have a sluggish feel to them. That is never a good thing, but in an fps, especially so. Hit detection is questionable, although they did say that there will be dedicated servers in the full release (which i will believe when i see it). Furthermore, coupled with other miscellaneous annoyances (like not being able to see who is trying to swallow their mic, or being able to mute them) or the very finnicky block/counter/finishing-move system, i am in doubt about just how much fun this game will be. Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: LK on February 05, 2010, 06:21:39 PM I tried to shoot an alien that was right in front of me. Every muzzle flash made it so that it was impossible to see where I was shooting. Meanwhile Mr. Alien is moving around pretty fast and, well, sometimes I'd catch him and sometimes he'd catch me.
I decided to stop after one match. One my way out someone in a lobby said "You keep that up and it'll be time out mister." I hoped it was the Mom playing. So hoped. I won't be back. Also, the shotgun in that game is dick. Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: schild on February 05, 2010, 07:30:56 PM Quote Every muzzle flash made it so that it was impossible to see where I was shooting. Sounds like Aliens and/or Predator to me. Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: ghost on February 05, 2010, 07:37:00 PM It won't really be like Aliens unless you also have Bill Paxton whining like a little bitch all the time.
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Merusk on February 05, 2010, 07:56:06 PM Wait.. you played a human space marine in an ALIENS vs PREDATOR game and are bitching about the experience? Have you even seen those movies? Humans are fodder.
tldr: What Schild said. Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Rendakor on February 05, 2010, 08:57:16 PM IIRC one of the ads for the original AvP game was something like "You can be the Alien, You can be the Predator, or You can be lunch"
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: schild on February 05, 2010, 09:34:06 PM You could've just gone with "Whoever wins, we lose."
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Azazel on February 12, 2010, 04:58:23 PM Demo now up on Steam.
Lack of keyboard options etc makes me fear it's been heavily consolised. Demo itself is underwhelming. Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Ironwood on February 14, 2010, 03:18:12 AM Elena and I had fun.
Predator is shit tho. Which is strange. Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Azazel on February 14, 2010, 12:59:23 PM The sheer underwhelmingness of the demo is going to knock this particular no-co-op-included down to "buy it much later for cheap off steam" level. Similar to how Bayonetta will be coming out of the bargain bin later in the year.
Unless the face-hugger in the SE is absolutely fucking glorious. Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: angry.bob on February 14, 2010, 06:41:58 PM Soooo....
All things as they are, it's still plenty of fun and I'll probably actually pay cash for it, despite what happened last time I actually paid for a game. (DoW2) 1. Marine shotgun is possibly the worst gun in any genre of videogames since they were invented. Small magazine, slow, and no power? WTF, the magazine and rof should make the thing one-shot anything in the game at close range. 2. Not only is the lack of remapping keys bad, but not even being able to bring the keymap up to look at it is ass. Most of the games I was in I got stuck as a predator. It was still fun, but I know that being able switch to the plasma gun or discus that I'd picked up would have made a world of difference. Having a 5 button mouse/ wheel and none of them are mapped to a ranged attack or being able to swap from melee to ranged is crap. 3. WTF, movement as an alien is sub-par. When you're on a wall or ceiling jumping should make you come loose. Skulk wall/ceiling movement in Natural Selection is almost perfect. Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Roentgen on February 16, 2010, 03:19:50 PM I picked this up at around 1pm EST. So far so good. Plays exactly like AVP 2 except more realistic violence. That's fine with me.
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Azazel on February 18, 2010, 08:25:54 PM Read up on the game this morning, and Hey! Apparently a lot of the facehuggers are broken right out of the packaging!
Saw the super-duper version this afternoon. Hey! That "big" box is still the same dimensions of a DVD case, only deeper! Hey! That facehugger which may or may not be broken out of the box is the size of my fist at best! Hey! Time to cancel my pre-order and maybe get a cheap console version from Play-Asia or Startup in 6-16 months, and/or the $5 steam special in the same timeframe, based on the underwhelming demo! :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: UnSub on February 19, 2010, 01:27:56 AM We really should have thanked the OFLC for banning this game - they were only trying to save us the burden of such mediocrity.
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: NowhereMan on February 19, 2010, 08:53:59 AM Wow the demo for this was fucking horrible. Controls felt a bit sluggish, increasing sensitivity (which is on a separate X and Y axis, fucking useful for a mouse) just resulted in feeling like I was control of a drunken sailor swinging his head around. Tried a few different matches and had what felt like very slight stuttery lag, from a University network. I might have been unlucky but randomised matches with the option of inviting friends is a fucking sucky way of choosing servers. Also it looks ugly, other standard complaints. The Marine shotgun was less than a joke, I would rather they included a melee weapon at least that way you'd know it was meant as a joke.
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: angry.bob on February 19, 2010, 09:35:39 AM I've been playing the hell out of the demo the last couple of days. The gun I thought was a shotgun is actually a scoped sniper rifle. What the fuck for I don't know because even the biggest open area in the demo is a deathtrap for marines if you're not constantly on the lookout. The gun that's actually a shotgun is still pretty bad, though if you shoot once they're in melee range it will usually kill whatever. The downside is you're in melee range with a predator or an acid-filled alien. Weapon switching is the number keys, I'm not sure why that didn't work before. It would still be super great to be able to remap keys in game though.
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Threash on February 19, 2010, 02:06:04 PM Random shooting at every shadow/noise, constant arguing with your teammates, a sense of growing panic and dread at the hopelessness of it all, and to top it all off that cursed motion detector which has to be the scariest sound in movie history. This game perfectly captures the space marine experience, its not... pleasant.
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Azazel on February 19, 2010, 02:50:55 PM If you have a PC, there are two superior versions of this game. Perhaps not graphically, but pretty much evereywhere else.
Might be time for a reinstall... Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Ironwood on February 19, 2010, 11:33:18 PM Yeah, that was my worry at the very start.
Despite lack of actual story, I still don't think they beat the original game. Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Roentgen on February 23, 2010, 04:48:28 PM I've been playing the hell out of the Xbox 360 version. I'm very pleased with it. There are many ways it could be improved but I enjoy it the way it is.
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Azazel on February 24, 2010, 12:10:05 AM fairy nuff. As I said, I'll probably bargain-bin it at some stage, but no way am I paying anything approaching full price...
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: eldaec on February 24, 2010, 12:16:09 AM Am I the only person who thinks new games should have a different name to previous games made by the same goddamn company. Or is this a just the 1999 game ported to new consoles?
Get off my lawn tia. Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Azazel on February 24, 2010, 12:35:46 AM What did Tia ever do to you?
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Ironwood on February 25, 2010, 04:18:42 AM Nothing. Which is part of the problem.
Title: Re: Alien vs Predator Un-Banned! - Now for discussion! Post by: Lantyssa on February 25, 2010, 09:15:40 AM I thought the same thing but didn't post it. Thanks Ironwood. :heart:
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