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Title: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Cyrrex on October 05, 2009, 07:42:09 AM
Or, just the one reason:  http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/05/bear.attack/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/05/bear.attack/index.html)

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(CNN) -- A 37-year-old Pennsylvania woman died Sunday after being mauled by her pet black bear, authorities said.

Kelly Ann Walz was attacked when she entered the bear's cage to feed the 350-pound animal and clean its cage, according to Pennsylvania State Police. The bear lived in a 15-by-15-foot steel and concrete enclosure on Walz's property in Ross Township.

The bear wasn't the only unusual animal living on the property, an official with the State Game Commission told CNN affiliate WFMZ-TV. The homeowner had a permit to keep a Bengal tiger and an African lion, and the property routinely passed inspection and had no violations, he said.

A neighbor shot and killed the bear that attacked the owner, state police said.


I like how these stories end up with the valiant passerby or police officer who kills the animal in question, like we're all supposed to cheer or something.  Bear was just being a bear.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Nevermore on October 05, 2009, 08:06:41 AM
(http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/stephen-colbert.jpg)


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Oban on October 05, 2009, 08:32:49 AM
(http://www.clisham.com-a.googlepages.com/colbert-bears-threatdown.jpg)


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Righ on October 05, 2009, 03:01:51 PM
 :pedobear:


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: 01101010 on October 05, 2009, 06:58:21 PM
jeezus christ just another reason why i SHOULD NOT be living in Pennsylvania... not because of the bear mind you, but because everybody in this state is  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: ghost on October 05, 2009, 07:15:10 PM
We're here, we're clear, we don't want any more bears!


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Sir T on October 05, 2009, 08:01:21 PM
Goddam bears, moving into our neighborhoods, eating our women...


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Merusk on October 05, 2009, 08:04:47 PM
Goddam bears, moving into our neighborhoods, eating our women...

http://www.hulu.com/watch/98494/the-cleveland-show-cleveland-meets-tim


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 05, 2009, 08:24:55 PM
I'm not saying it's right to shoot a bear for being a bear but if you saw one in a cage next to your dead friend/neighbor or whatever, you'd be hard pressed to not want to shoot it. Also, unless it's clear the person is dead then you need to get in the cage and check on them asap and you can't do that with a living bear inside that's already mauled someone.

It's sad all around but I can't find myself getting angry at anyone involved here.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Merusk on October 05, 2009, 08:35:23 PM
I dunno, I'm pretty peeved with the dead person.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 05, 2009, 08:38:30 PM
Edit le fake: Yes, she was dumb and could have avoided all of this by not having a pet bear(was she using it for movies or any legitimate purpose beyond wanting a RL carebear?)


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: MahrinSkel on October 05, 2009, 10:35:18 PM
Standard procedure just about everywhere in the US is that if an animal kills a human, the animal is put down, and nobody takes any risks making it happen.  Even the tiger that attacked Roy Horn (of Siegfried and Roy) was going to be euthanized if he died.  He saved Animal Control a bullet (because they wouldn't have tried anything more humane with a bear, even the Forest Service shoots them when needed).

--Dave


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Cyrrex on October 06, 2009, 06:52:05 AM
Well, it may be inhumane of me to say so, but I always feel worse for the animal in these kinds of stories.  The human is the one behaving unnaturally here.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: HaemishM on October 06, 2009, 08:18:45 AM
You gotta let a playa be a playa! (Or a bear be a bear, in this case) Don't be hatin'!


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Signe on October 06, 2009, 10:31:04 AM
Well, it may be inhumane of me to say so, but I always feel worse for the animal in these kinds of stories.  The human is the one behaving unnaturally here.

Although I understand the reasoning behind it all and I respect that a human life is more important than an animal (I know, it's iffy!), I always feel more sorry for animals and children in these sorts of stories.  Especially animals.  Bad me.  Unless an animal kills a baby or something.  Then I just sort of stare into space until I forget about the entire incident.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Cyrrex on October 06, 2009, 12:08:09 PM
Well, it may be inhumane of me to say so, but I always feel worse for the animal in these kinds of stories.  The human is the one behaving unnaturally here.

Although I understand the reasoning behind it all and I respect that a human life is more important than an animal (I know, it's iffy!), I always feel more sorry for animals and children in these sorts of stories.  Especially animals.  Bad me.  Unless an animal kills a baby or something.  Then I just sort of stare into space until I forget about the entire incident.

I know!

Crap, I think I might be turning into a woman.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Signe on October 06, 2009, 02:07:04 PM
What?  Again?

Seriously, though, if you can manage to kiss your own elbow, it's likely you'll turn into a woman.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: 01101010 on October 06, 2009, 02:11:52 PM
Although I understand the reasoning behind it all and I respect that a human life is more important than an animal (I know, it's iffy!), I always feel more sorry for animals and children in these sorts of stories.  Especially animals.  Bad me.

I RARELY side with the human. Animals act and react, humans make the decisions to put themselves in stupidfuck situations. Faulting the animal in this case is nonsense. Same with that chimp that went apeshit (pun SCORE!) on that woman and was shot to death. Hell, I'd even go so far as to side with the animals in the cases of trail runners/hikers/bikers. Cougar attacks on a trail in the wilderness should be met with the same hesitation as a trip and fall off a cliff or a snake bite. Its not wilderness if there is no risk involved. I can't wait for the day when the last of its kind <insert animal> attacks and kills a person... then what?

All that said, I do say this in the contexts of the United States. I'd venture to say in the plains of Africa or jungles of South America or Southeast Asia where big game predators do in fact hunt human beings, then it might be necessary to get the village into a mob and go kill the beast.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Ingmar on October 06, 2009, 02:15:05 PM
Yeah I'll pretty much pick the animal every time. We have lots of people, we don't have very many tigers (etc.)


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Sir T on October 06, 2009, 02:22:24 PM
I read somewhere that 90% of snakebites are in the hand, which is a sure sign the human was at fault. Hell even steve Erwin was covered in scars from bites, and he said every one of them was his fault.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: lac on October 06, 2009, 03:38:57 PM
On the other hand, 90% of chicken bites are in the foot. Which is a sure sign sandals are a pretty dumb thing to wear in a chicken pen.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Merusk on October 06, 2009, 04:26:53 PM

All that said, I do say this in the contexts of the United States. I'd venture to say in the plains of Africa or jungles of South America or Southeast Asia where big game predators do in fact hunt human beings, then it might be necessary to get the village into a mob and go kill the beast.


Animals in the US are losing their fear of Humans.  We haven't hunted them in so long AND we've squeezed them for resources to the point they're becoming aggressive and impinging on human cities once again.  We've got Cougars and Coyotes showing up in the suburbs from time to time in Cincinnati.  Then there's that Raccoon attack that just happened the other day.   I've read before that Bears are also (in no small part due to human stupidity of feeding them) beginning to encroach on some cities out west as well.

Tim Bedore is right, the animals are moving against us!


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Cyrrex on October 06, 2009, 04:35:26 PM

All that said, I do say this in the contexts of the United States. I'd venture to say in the plains of Africa or jungles of South America or Southeast Asia where big game predators do in fact hunt human beings, then it might be necessary to get the village into a mob and go kill the beast.


Animals in the US are losing their fear of Humans.  We haven't hunted them in so long AND we've squeezed them for resources to the point they're becoming aggressive and impinging on human cities once again.  We've got Cougars and Coyotes showing up in the suburbs from time to time in Cincinnati.  Then there's that Raccoon attack that just happened the other day.   I've read before that Bears are also (in no small part due to human stupidity of feeding them) beginning to encroach on some cities out west as well.

Tim Bedore is right, the animals are moving against us!

Here's hoping they get some of their territory back!

What?  Again?

Seriously, though, if you can manage to kiss your own elbow, it's likely you'll turn into a woman.

Well, I wasn't able to, despite trying for a good 10 minutes.  OTOH, my nipples are rather sensitive lately.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: tazelbain on October 07, 2009, 09:18:05 AM
The humans worth rooting for tend to not get themselves in man vs animal situations.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Ard on October 07, 2009, 11:10:13 AM
The humans worth rooting for tend to not get themselves in man vs animal situations.

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa68/random256/stingray.jpg)

Too soon?


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Strazos on October 07, 2009, 05:17:52 PM
If she had just kept talking, she would have scared away the bear.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: ghost on October 07, 2009, 05:43:36 PM
This surprises me about as much as the people that get their testicles and face eaten off by their "pet" chimpanzees.  Seriously, why do people need to keep animals besides dogs/cats/gerbils, etc.?


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Signe on October 07, 2009, 05:50:06 PM
I don't know, either.  It makes me sad when people take animals out of the wild and domesticate them for no other reason than they're afraid to get penis enlargement surgery.   :uhrr:


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Tebonas on October 08, 2009, 03:55:28 AM
I don't see human lives as being worth more than animal lives.

That may make me a psychopath, but just look at the numbers. There are about 600k black bears in the US, while there are about 300 million people. Which means each bear would have to kill 500 people before humans are worth more.

Supply and demand. And I'm not even talking about looks here. Most bears look cute, while only a small minority of people do so.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Signe on October 08, 2009, 06:59:23 AM
Well, bears are deceptive.  They look cute and fuzzy and cuddly.  You want to hug them.  That's their trap.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Cyrrex on October 08, 2009, 07:04:24 AM
I wonder if salmon also find bears to be cute as we humans do.  "Oooohhh look at the cute widdle bear....OH CHRIST I AM BEING EATING ALIVE BY A FUCKING BEAR OH HELP ME JESUS!"


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Tebonas on October 08, 2009, 07:06:35 AM
Theres a good chance those were Kelly Ann Walzes last thoughts as well.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Tale on October 08, 2009, 07:16:53 AM
(http://users.on.net/~svandore/pics/bearattack19zh.gif)


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Sky on October 08, 2009, 07:40:53 AM
Pet bear?

If you keep something in a cage, it is a prisoner, not a pet.

And I'm always rooting for the animal, they're way behind on the k:d.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: voodoolily on October 08, 2009, 03:19:02 PM
You gotta let a playa be a playa! (Or a bear be a bear, in this case) Don't be hatin'!

Can I get a wut wut?

(http://www.playahitched.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/playa1.jpg)

(Shout out to my geologist homies)


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Signe on October 08, 2009, 03:59:05 PM
Someone needs to water their lawn!


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Sheepherder on October 09, 2009, 12:55:15 AM
[carebear]

"What the fuck are you smiling at?"


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Sky on October 10, 2009, 07:39:58 AM
Someone needs to water their lawn!
I thought it was a close-up of Joan Rivers.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Signe on October 10, 2009, 09:16:23 AM
No, She's more like this:

(http://getoffthehighwaynb.com/wp-content/upload/Skating%20on%20the%20Kennebecasis1.jpg)

She's hundreds of years old and doesn't have one wrinkle.   :ye_gods:  I don't know if children play hockey on her face, though.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: voodoolily on October 12, 2009, 08:11:36 AM
Did no one get my obtuse playa joke?  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Lantyssa on October 12, 2009, 10:00:20 AM
Was it a butte crack?


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: voodoolily on October 13, 2009, 10:55:36 AM
Ha! No. Play-uh and ply-uh are spelled the same. One is a disrespectful douchebag, one is a geologic feature.  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Cyrrex on October 13, 2009, 11:02:06 AM
Ha! No. Play-uh and ply-uh are spelled the same. One is a disrespectful douchebag, one is a geologic feature.  :uhrr:

I'm going to be honest, Lants joke was pretty funny.  Yours...I still don't get, even with the explanation.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Cadaverine on October 16, 2009, 11:02:42 AM
A playa (or pan) (pronounced /ˈplaɪ.ə/) is a dry or ephemeral lakebed, generally extending to the shore, or a remnant of an endorheic lake.



Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 16, 2009, 12:10:12 PM
Or a beach, if you are into the whole Spanish thing.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Teleku on October 22, 2009, 09:09:05 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8320849.stm


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 22, 2009, 10:08:34 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8320849.stm

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The bear, who had skates on at the time

 :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: IainC on October 22, 2009, 10:30:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nah3nMStXV4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nah3nMStXV4)


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Cyrrex on October 22, 2009, 10:39:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nah3nMStXV4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nah3nMStXV4)

OMG Wat!? :uhrr:  That's possibly the most amazing thing I've ever seen.  Can that really be real?


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: KallDrexx on October 22, 2009, 10:48:44 AM
That's awesome.  I'd hate to be the referee trying to break up a fight though  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: 01101010 on October 22, 2009, 11:29:45 AM
And yet people still get up in arms when bears kill people... from now on, I am linking this video to those morons.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Murgos on October 22, 2009, 11:53:40 AM
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The bear, who had skates on at the time

Quote
It is not clear what caused the attack.

Really?  I think it's pretty clear.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Teleku on October 22, 2009, 12:09:32 PM
The mental imagine of being mauled by a bear wearing razor sharp ice skates is pretty  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: 01101010 on October 22, 2009, 12:13:19 PM
The mental imagine of being mauled by a bear wearing razor sharp ice skates is pretty  :ye_gods:

Very true, but if you were the one to put the skates on the bear, then I say there has to be that one moment where you think, "ok, maybe the skates were pushing it a bit too far and I deserve to have my skull cracked open by the jaws of this bear." In between bouts of screaming and defecating of course.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: voodoolily on October 22, 2009, 01:06:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nah3nMStXV4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nah3nMStXV4)

The Russians are behind this, I just know it.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: lac on October 23, 2009, 07:33:57 AM
I think I'll have to side with the bears on this one.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Signe on October 23, 2009, 12:49:13 PM
I always side with the bears.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Tale on November 05, 2009, 09:59:06 AM
(http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,7144241,00.jpg)

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26312220-401,00.html


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: 01101010 on November 05, 2009, 10:09:11 AM
(http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,7144241,00.jpg)

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26312220-401,00.html

 :ye_gods:

Dear god that is just evil frightening.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: NowhereMan on November 05, 2009, 12:01:01 PM
I'm so glad right now that bears normally have hair. That's the stuff of nightmares.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Endie on November 08, 2009, 01:09:29 PM
I unironically think that someone who keeps a bear in a cage one tenth the floor space of my first flat gets what they deserve when the bear performs radical and irreversible surgery on them.

While I do feel sorry for the bear it's better off now.


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Le0 on November 11, 2009, 12:21:37 AM
I must say I find Ice Hockey bears to be pretty awesome.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Cyrrex on November 11, 2009, 06:47:19 AM
Can we agree that it is awesome while also agreeing that it would be perfectly acceptable for these bears to slaughter both their trainers as well as everyone in the stands watching the bear hockey?


Title: Re: Top 10 reasons not to have a pet bear
Post by: Murgos on November 13, 2009, 07:23:49 AM
Can we agree that it is awesome while also agreeing that it would be perfectly acceptable for these bears to slaughter both their trainers as well as everyone in the stands watching the bear hockey?

Indeed.  The very thing that makes Ice Hockey Bears awesome is the anticipation of the impending mauling(s).

Edit: Remember, bear baiting is a sport that is nearly as old as human kind, this is just a particularly humiliating form of it.