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Title: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: NiX on August 31, 2009, 07:17:13 AM So, uh, yeah. Didn't see this coming. (http://www.businessinsider.com/disney-to-acquire-marvel-for-4-billion-2009-8)
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: caladein on August 31, 2009, 07:25:16 AM Yeah... can't seem to find anything on this apart from the wire services.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: schild on August 31, 2009, 07:35:42 AM If only they'd hand the license for everything straight over to Junction Point and yank it away from every other gaming company in existence.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: schild on August 31, 2009, 07:36:56 AM Also, this strikes me as dumb.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: NiX on August 31, 2009, 07:45:00 AM Yeah... can't seem to find anything on this apart from the wire services. I'm sure it's tentative pending all the legal stuff and the stocks. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Trippy on August 31, 2009, 07:59:07 AM I think he meant a proper press release like this one:
http://corporate.disney.go.com/news/corporate/2009/2009_0831_disney_and_marvel_entertainment.html Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: NiX on August 31, 2009, 08:03:34 AM I figured since it was being sourced from the AP it didn't really matter. But, fine, be that way Trippy.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: stray on August 31, 2009, 09:54:16 AM Everything about it is fine except that Disney will probably insist on casting it's Mouseketeer/Highschool Musical/Hannah Montana kids as future Marvel superheroes.
edit: Oh, and include such things in their comics. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: UnsGub on August 31, 2009, 10:05:44 AM Disney is gambling to stay alive, not that there is much else for them to do.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: eldaec on August 31, 2009, 11:27:47 AM Also, this strikes me as dumb. From whose perspective? Industrial logic is solid. Think of all those Disney stores that right now can only sell shit to girls. It's a good deal for Marvel, at 8 times earnings in what is probably a peak for Marvel with superheroes being all the shit right now. I don't think it will do any good for the comics in the long run ofc. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: IainC on August 31, 2009, 11:56:30 AM I don't understand the 'this will save Disney' stuff. I may have missed something but I was under the impression that Disney had its shit solidly in place when it came to aggressively monetising everything. If anyone knows how to extract cash from a fairly broad demographic then it's Disney. Marvel on the other hand is huge in some segments and non-existent to the rest of the world. Sure, people liked Iron Man and X-Men but how many people bought comics on the back of a summer popcorn movie?
This makes a lot of sense if you realise that Disney wants to keep its kid-friendly brand but also wants to diversify into areas where the Disney logo wouldn't be appropriate. They did this already with movies when they created Touchstone Pictures, Marvel looks to be the print equivalent of that. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: slog on August 31, 2009, 12:25:35 PM Ian, saving Disney refers to saving Disney's growth rate. There is a perception that they are tapped out when it comes to new revenue opportunities.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Grimwell on August 31, 2009, 12:56:25 PM I think there is a lot they can do with this, and they don't have to incorporate Marvel into mainstream Disney. They own a few film companies that are not "Disney" in terms of output, so Marvel can be expanded upon as is and driven into new markets and merchandise opportunities. It's a good opportunity for Disney and a potentially good thing for Marvel.
It could blow all up, but Disney does good things with most of their business. They have quite the ability to target an audience and take all it's money. :) Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: UnsGub on August 31, 2009, 01:10:15 PM It could blow all up, but Disney does good things with most of their business. I making digital content to make money a good thing heading into the future? Do they give the digital way and just make it back on the hard goods? Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Sky on August 31, 2009, 01:21:12 PM Ian, saving Disney refers to saving Disney's growth rate. There is a perception that they are tapped out when it comes to new revenue opportunities. This is the kind of bullshit that is slowly killing this country.Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Murgos on August 31, 2009, 01:34:16 PM Disney is gambling to stay alive, not that there is much else for them to do. What the fuck are you talking about? Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Murgos on August 31, 2009, 01:36:35 PM I making digital content to make money a good thing heading into the future? Do they give the digital way and just make it back on the hard goods? Is this written by a bot? It makes no sense. Edit: I have this image in my head of the comic book guy from the Simpsons frothing at the mouth while posting this. It's like when someone gets so mad that they can't even talk. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: slog on August 31, 2009, 02:06:22 PM Ian, saving Disney refers to saving Disney's growth rate. There is a perception that they are tapped out when it comes to new revenue opportunities. This is the kind of bullshit that is slowly killing this country.It's not a new concept. In fact, it's pretty much economics 101. When a companies' future growth opportunities diminish, the current stock price goes downl. There many publicly traded companies that are perfectly fine with this. (your local public utility) Disney, on the other hand, still wants to grow. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: HaemishM on August 31, 2009, 02:23:53 PM I don't think it will do any good for the comics in the long run ofc. Yeah, this. But then again, Marvel hasn't been about making money selling comics for a long goddamn time. The comics business itself has become about ultra-hyping the next big event comic that "CHANGES THE STATUS QUO FOREVERZ!!!!" in order to boost sales just long enough for the next big event to change everything again. Oh and building brands for movies where the real filthy money is. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Sky on August 31, 2009, 02:27:43 PM It's not a new concept. In fact, it's pretty much economics 101. When a companies' future growth opportunities diminish, the current stock price goes downl. There many publicly traded companies that are perfectly fine with this. (your local public utility) Yeah, no shit. You realize my local public utilities are bought out by conglomerates, putting hundreds out of work? It's an old concept that gets harder to maintain the longer you try to live by it, until the whole thing turns into a giant ball of shit because you can't sustain growth forever and companies put growth and stockholders in front of sound business decisions, because the stock becomes the over-riding business decision, often at the detriment of the business itself.Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: slog on August 31, 2009, 02:38:41 PM It's not a new concept. In fact, it's pretty much economics 101. When a companies' future growth opportunities diminish, the current stock price goes downl. There many publicly traded companies that are perfectly fine with this. (your local public utility) Yeah, no shit. You realize my local public utilities are bought out by conglomerates, putting hundreds out of work? It's an old concept that gets harder to maintain the longer you try to live by it, until the whole thing turns into a giant ball of shit because you can't sustain growth forever and companies put growth and stockholders in front of sound business decisions, because the stock becomes the over-riding business decision, often at the detriment of the business itself.Unfortunately for the those people, increased efficiency and lower costs usually means they get laid off. Our system in the USA is pretty ruthless about this. While our embrace of natural selection in business has made the USA the largest economy in the world, it does have it drawbacks. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Velorath on August 31, 2009, 03:03:48 PM I'm looking forward to an eventual Kingdom Hearts game including Marvel characters. Maybe they can do a Marvel/Incredibles crossover.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Bzalthek on August 31, 2009, 03:43:01 PM Oh hey, now. Kingdom Hearts could be fucking awesome with some Marvel thrown in. Maybe they can even make some of them likable!
Don't get me wrong, I'm a long time marvel fan, but I would like a little bit more depth once in a while. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Arnold on August 31, 2009, 03:49:26 PM Marvel has had its ass thoroughly kicked by DC in the animation department. Maybe Disney can get that part of the business up to speed.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Slyfeind on August 31, 2009, 03:55:11 PM Are we going to get an Iron Man ride at Disneyland now?
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Bzalthek on August 31, 2009, 04:06:30 PM Animatronic Wolverine
"Snikt Bub bub bub snikt snikt bub bub snikt" Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Merusk on August 31, 2009, 04:39:45 PM Are we going to get an Iron Man ride at Disneyland now? They'd have to move it over from Universal Studios wouldn't they? There's a question, how much of Marvel's stuff is part of the UA parks? Anyone been before? Will this be a, "Whoops, there goes that chunk of attractions." or a "Meh, nobody really cares" like when Hanna-Barbara was no longer a part of King's Island. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: taolurker on August 31, 2009, 05:53:08 PM (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4OYGjUrdllo/SKZDW56FpYI/AAAAAAAAGLA/zHFGEjuqpPk/s400/WolvieMickey.jpg)
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Velorath on August 31, 2009, 07:01:58 PM In accordance with Marvel's rules and regulations, expect Wolverine to join the Power Rangers, G-Force, and the Muppets.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Bzalthek on August 31, 2009, 07:41:46 PM And he'll be replacing Kennedy on the senate.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Aez on August 31, 2009, 07:49:28 PM I don't know if it's the blogpost Mickey/Wolverine pic but this specific thread seems to be loading infinitely.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: UnSub on August 31, 2009, 07:51:14 PM Disney, friend of the IP lawyer, is taking over Marvel for all of that sweet sweet IP. I kinda think they're doing it after the peak of Marvel's movie popularity, but perhaps the output from Marvel Studios will prove me wrong.
OTOH, part of me thinks this will just see more mediocre Marvel movies come out as Disney seeks to justify their purchase. Or more cruddy kid-friendly fare. I could see a Power Pack movie being done. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Velorath on August 31, 2009, 07:57:33 PM OTOH, part of me thinks this will just see more mediocre Marvel movies come out as Disney seeks to justify their purchase. Or more cruddy kid-friendly fare. I could see a Power Pack movie being done. I'd prefer to see them do a Franklin Richards: Son of a Genius animated series. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Abagadro on August 31, 2009, 08:15:01 PM The Motley Fool guys were touting Marvel heavily back when it was in the single digits in the early 2000s. Wish I would have taken the plunge but I don't buy individual stocks.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: stray on September 01, 2009, 03:00:46 AM Ironically, I think Stan Lee is the closest (American at least) equivalent to Walt Disney. His target demographic was different, but his creations are almost as iconic.
Not that he has anything to do with Marvel anymore.. Just saying. There's not much to add to this thread. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: apocrypha on September 01, 2009, 04:14:30 AM This is the kind of bullshit that is slowly killing this FIFY :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Yegolev on September 01, 2009, 07:14:31 AM There's a question, how much of Marvel's stuff is part of the UA parks? Anyone been before? Will this be a, "Whoops, there goes that chunk of attractions." or a "Meh, nobody really cares" like when Hanna-Barbara was no longer a part of King's Island. I've been to Universal's Islands of Adventure a couple of times. One of the "islands" is Marvel Land. The Spiderman ride is probably the single best ride in Orlando (YMMV and other disclaimers). The Hulk steel coaster is pretty good, and Doctor Doom's Fear Fall is a terrorizing nightmarish creation (meaning, it's good). Also you get frequent parades where Marvel characters ride through on four-wheelers. This purchase could cause some theming problems with the IoA park, although I expect in most cases they can just change the signage. The Spiderman ride, however, would be somewhat harder to re-engineer. Just sticking a Batman/Tick/El Kabong mask on Spiderman's face won't cut it. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: NiX on September 01, 2009, 07:59:27 AM OTOH, part of me thinks this will just see more mediocre Marvel movies come out as Disney seeks to justify their purchase. Or more cruddy kid-friendly fare. I could see a Power Pack movie being done. Marvel has so much lined up for the next 2-3 years that Disney won't have to do a damn thing except for sign the checks. Once Avengers is done, we'll see what Disney does, unless Marvel has more up their sleeve, especially with there probably being a whole whack load of "X-Men Origins" movies unannounced. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: HaemishM on September 01, 2009, 08:57:17 AM Fox is rebooting the Fantastic Four movie series - and they own the rights in perpetuity for that franchise (meaning as long as they keep making movies every few years, they can keep the rights forever). They hold the same kind of rights on Daredevil and X-Men, which is why you are seeing so many X-Men: Origins movies being made, including Magneto and X-Men First Class.
This purchase is all about the movie franchises and the merchandising opportunities on all that sweet, sweet IP. Title: Disney buys Marvel Post by: Sir T on September 01, 2009, 09:07:39 AM http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8230504.stm
Quote Disney to buy Marvel in $4bn deal Entertainment giant Walt Disney is to buy Marvel Entertainment in a shares and cash deal valued at $4bn (£2.5bn). The deal means Disney will take over ownership of 5,000 Marvel characters, such as Spider-Man and the X-Men. Marvel shareholders will get $30 per share in cash plus 0.745 Disney shares for every Marvel share owned. The boards of Disney and Marvel have both approved the deal, which now needs the backing of Marvel shareholders and competition authorities. Marvel shares were ahead $9.68, or 25%, to $48.33 in Monday trading while Disney shares fell 80 cents, or 3%, to $26.04. 'Great assets' "We believe that adding Marvel to Disney's unique portfolio of brands provides significant opportunities for long-term growth and value creation," Disney president and chief executive Robert Iger said. "We are pleased to bring this talent and these great assets to Disney." Other Marvel's characters include Captain America, the Fantastic Four and Thor. "Disney is the perfect home for Marvel's fantastic library of characters given its proven ability to expand content creation and licensing businesses," said Marvel chief executive Ike Perlmutter. "This is an unparalleled opportunity for Marvel to build upon its vibrant brand and character properties by accessing Disney's tremendous global organization and infrastructure around the world," he added. 'Good deal' Arvind Bhatia, an analyst at Sterne, Agee and Leach, said that the deal appeared to be a "win-win situation for both companies". "They [Marvel shareholders] are getting a good deal in my opinion. The CEO of the company, Isaac Perlmutter, is also the largest shareholder of the company. "From that standpoint, we think the chances of this deal going through are pretty high." Last month, Walt Disney reported a fall in profits of more than a quarter as the downturn hit revenue at its film and theme park divisions. Let your nerd rage flow. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Yegolev on September 01, 2009, 09:16:11 AM Merging: It's not just for breakfast anymore.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Yegolev on September 01, 2009, 12:03:30 PM I noticed today that both Disney and Universal Parks are visiting us today. I don't believe in coincidences but maybe this is one.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: NiX on September 01, 2009, 12:33:21 PM Wear your white t. Dress to impress!
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Yegolev on September 01, 2009, 12:42:30 PM They don't let me near the guests. I'd ask if they were hiring.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: NiX on September 01, 2009, 12:45:55 PM Try leaving your gun at home. I'm sure they'd be ok with you being a Dinosaur, but the gun might be the breaking point.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Velorath on September 10, 2009, 02:46:28 AM DC is also having a fairly sizable shake-up (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118008299.html?categoryid=13&cs=1):
Quote After years of trying to figure out an efficient way to work with DC Comics and exploit more of its costumed characters -- which include Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash and Green Lantern -- as movies, TV shows and digital properties, the studio's final solution was essentially to take complete control of the comicbook publisher. The company has been rebooted as DC Entertainment, which will now be run by Warner Bros. vet Diane Nelson. Nelson has long overseen the "Harry Potter" franchise for the studio and managed Warner Premiere, which produces original direct-to-DVD pics, including several based on DC's more iconic heroes. "It's no secret that DC has a myriad of rich and untapped possibilities from its deep library of iconic and lesser-known characters," said Alan Horn, Warner Bros. Entertainment prexy and chief operating officer. "The formation of DC Entertainment will help us bring more DC properties across additional platforms to fans around the world." As part of the move, Paul Levitz will step down as president and publisher of DC Comics and segue into a new post as writer, contributing editor and consultant to DC Entertainment. His duties will include advising DC on rights-holder relationships, especially when it comes to DC's complicated ownership of Superman (Daily Variety, Aug. 14) The article continues on for a while after that, but that's the most important chunk. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Margalis on September 10, 2009, 03:11:37 AM I don't get it. The comic book side doesn't really matter. If the DC characters are untapped it's because the film/tv guys are dropping the ball, the comics don't have to do anything other than exist.
The general public knows who Superman is and they don't give a shit about the latest year-long crisis of infinite spaces crisis 2: the crisening. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Velorath on September 10, 2009, 03:30:54 AM I don't get it. The comic book side doesn't really matter. If the DC characters are untapped it's because the film/tv guys are dropping the ball, the comics don't have to do anything other than exist. The general public knows who Superman is and they don't give a shit about the latest year-long crisis of infinite spaces crisis 2: the crisening. I don't really know what's been going on behind the scenes, but Batman aside, it seems for quite a while trying to get a DC comics related movie into production has been a nightmare for people. There's Kevin Smith's anecdote about his attempts to do the Superman movie for instance. Also I seem to recall Whedon saying somewhere that his Wonder Woman deal eventually fell through because the people in charge of greenlighting it couldn't would shoot down every idea essentially saying "we don't know what we want but this isn't it". There was a failed attempt at getting a Flash movie together, as well as a Justice League movie that got put on hold almost as quickly as it was announced. Maybe it was just an organizational issue and this is an attempt to clear some of that up, I don't know. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: HaemishM on September 10, 2009, 08:14:08 AM I think the biggest problem with DC movies getting made is the Warner Bros. execs who would be pulling the money strings. IMO, they don't generally respect the comics guys and tend to think they have all the answers to success despite every attempt at a comic movie but the Batman stuff being a complete fucking failure. Maybe DC Entertainment will have a little more pull in the movie department, or at least a little more respect, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: angry.bob on September 10, 2009, 10:40:47 AM While our embrace of natural selection in business has made the USA the largest economy in the world, it does have it drawbacks. Such as being an unsustainable, artificial ourobouros of human misery. American style capitalism has proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be nothing more than a scheme specifically designed to strip money away from the lower classes and funnel it up to the people who need it the least. Also, Disney ruins everything they buy. Name a good Pixar movie since Disney took them over. Prior to then everything they did was a classic. Now it's just torture. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Teleku on September 10, 2009, 12:28:38 PM Uh, Wall-E and Up?
Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: angry.bob on September 10, 2009, 02:04:05 PM Uh, Wall-E and Up? I'm still waiting for you to name a good movie. Wall-E was okay, but a total failure as a kids movie. Title: Re: Disney to Acquire Marvel Post by: Teleku on September 10, 2009, 02:52:09 PM Uh, Wall-E and Up? I'm still waiting for you to name a good movie. Wall-E was okay, but a total failure as a kids movie. |