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So, who here uses Mac and is going to take the plunge immediately?  I use mac based networks at my work and love their stability, ease of use, etc.  

http://www.apple.com/macosx/

It sounds great, doesn't it?  "More accessible than ever."  What the fuck does that even mean?  Of course, I will say that I won't upgrade for a while, but I will anyway because that's what I do:  fuck with computers.  

Any opinions?

I'll be upgrading most of our machines ASAP because of some compatibility stuff. I think anyone with 10.4 is probably fine, 10.3 is the main roadblock for compatibility right now.

And of course, I always use the latest version to familiarize myself with it. The $25 upgrade is nice (from 10.5), too bad the upgrade from 10.4 is $59 and there is no upgrade from 10.3  :oh_i_see:

yeah, all my stuff has to be at 10.4 or above to work.  I just wonder if I'll see anything much in performance improvement.  Probably will do it on my home computers first, just to make sure I don't royally fuck up my ability to work.

I think this was referring to the new multi-touch screen controls for the blind.

Also, Snow Leopard will only load on Intel-based Macs....all PPC-based systems are not supported anymore going forward.

Yes, I will get it.. Simply for the faster finder (long time coming).


Btw, you have to do fresh installs, I believe. Not upgrade per se.

OK, I'm probably totally wrong on that last one.  :oh_i_see:

Didn't they already have a "Leopard"?  Are they out of cats already?

Yeah, be careful to make sure that your 10.4 stuff isn't on Motorola processors, 'cause Snow Leopard ain't running on them.  For myself, I'm waiting a bit after release.  Primarily 'cause I want to do a clean install rather than an upgrade, and I don't want to buy the $30 version if it will only do an upgrade install.

Say what? Well that sucks. I'd rather do a clean install too.

Perhaps it's not that big of an issue, I don't know. Hmm


@Sam.. It's Snow Leopard simply because it's more of a big feature update, I guess. Probably what Leopard should have been, etc

Oh, and by the way, if you've got a 10.3 machine, it's probably PowerPC. 10.6 is Intel only.

Where did you hear this?

The price difference isn't that huge of a deal.  I will probably have to buy 2 five license packs anyway to do it, so it might be the same cost overall. 

I personally would like to seem some improved stability from the mail program, but that just may be my computer having RAM troubles.

I didn't hear it from anywhere.  But since the $30 box is the 'special Leopard upgrade deal', I wouldn't be surprised if it was gimped to preclude the possibility of a clean install.

Heh, we've only got four Core 2 Duos, and my original release Intel Core Duo. Schools and libraries, big mac supporters, might not be real happy for a while. I understand the need to move to C2D, and actually I had a couple of purchases over-ridden when I wanted Core Duos and was made to buy a bunch of G4s. On the upside, I now don't get over-ridden on those kind of decisions, but we're stuck with a shitload of G4s (though I do like the eMac form factor for public computers, they're tanks).

Government money has always been tight, but right now it's tighter than a nun's vagina.

I've heard a third-hand story that the upgrade does a clean install. Should have second-hand in a couple days when my supervisor installs his copy at home. I probably won't have a copy for another couple weeks since I have to order some macs (that will be downgraded to 10.5).

That's only going to be the case if it's not a bootable disc.

This would be a first in the history of Macs btw. I've been using them since.. well too long. Sounds too much like Windows bullshit to be true.

It's probably just cheap for Lep users because it's got a lot of things that were on the drawing board for Leopard already (and went back to the drawing board).

Don't be a common asshole, Stray.

Haven't you heard?  Using a Mac automatically exempts him from being a "common" anything.   :awesome_for_real:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3038/2579776641_90a68bbe50_o.jpg)

:awesome_for_real:

How am I being an asshole? More to the point, how is it even possible to be an asshole. These are just computer products. And as far as upgrading goes, Microsoft has been configuring their products in "Upgrade" versions for quite some time. Apple doesn't usually do this. It's just a fact.

On a sidenote, I'd rather wear a speedo than that shirt.  :grin:

According to the WSJ it will work without the upgrade.

http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20090826/apple-changes-leopards-spots/

"But here’s a tip: Apple concedes that the $29 Snow Leopard upgrade will work properly on these Tiger-equipped Macs, so you can save the extra $140."

Eh, will wait for 10.6.1 (or whatever 10.$v.1 it happens to be).

Let the early adopters ferret out the glitches and peccadillos.

I don't figure too many of those will be in the core OS, and I don't use the iApp stuff, so I'm fairly ok with early adoption on this one.

Also should be interesting seeing how this impacts OS sales. While I know a couple wackos that upgrade to the new OS every time, most people don't. This would encourage people to invest in the most current OS, I'd think it would drive sales waaay up. It's certainly more feasible for me to upgrade the Intel machines to 10.6. But will it drive enough sales to make up for the lowered price?

No, it'll make money.  Remember, Apple profit comes from hardware sales.  This OS excludes old hardware, indirectly forcing people with older computers to go buy new ones if they don't want the reaper of obsolescence hovering over their stuff.  "Oh, I guess it's time to upgrade," they'll say.  And buy a new $1600 computer.  Thus shall the Apple profits flow.

No they aren't out of cats. Snow Leopard's changes are mostly "under the hood" which is why they didn't pick a totally different name and also why Leopard users (officially) can upgrade for $29.

I would like to get a few licenses for my work, but the majority of the computers here are PowerPC not Intel based. Although I could upgarde my laptop  :grin:

Careful with photoshop as I heard that CS3 and lower might not run on 10.6.

Good description of the changes from Leopard to Snow Leopard as well as some performance comparisons. My work Mac machine is mainly used for development and very little media so I'm not sure I'm sold on the changes yet. I may be able to justify a productivity increase due to some of the UI enhancements. :oh_i_see:

http://gizmodo.com/5346418/snow-leopard-review-lightened-and-enlightened

Edit: After further review split terminal consoles (http://gizmodo.com/5345506/snow-leopard-visual-guide//gallery?selectedImage=10) and improved PDF handling (http://gizmodo.com/5345506/snow-leopard-visual-guide//gallery?selectedImage=19) may tip the scales for me.

I've been running the final build for a week or so. It's definitely peppier, and the UI changes are definitely appreciated. The new auto-find/download printer driver stuff is very nice, and it finally shows the signal strength of all visible access points in the dropdown. Getting 7Gigs back on my laptop didn't suck either.

The $30 buys you the full version of Snow Leopard; there's no upgrade disk. You can do an upgrade install from Leopard or Tiger. I wiped and did a full install. The only challenging part of a clean install is that Snow Leopard does not include iLife. You need to install that from the apps disk that came with your machine; or just load it up from your Time Machine backup.

Stop that.

That shirt, and the poster in the background have decided it.  He needs to die.

Really was the perfect picture.

Yes, cut that out.

I respect your wishes on these matters, this being your playground and all. But keep in mind this @ usage is older than fucking Twitter. So people using this could well be no Twittiots.

On topic, I love me my mac Mini and my iPhone. But the douche in the picture makes me almost regret the fact I have them. He should die for it.

If it were one of the resident neckbeards, I'd agree. MAYBE.

But this is Stray. He's not a neckbeard and he knows better.

10.6 has been a pleasurable experience so far and I will get the upgrade once it ships.

A few things I noticed however.

You cannot use Time Machine Backups from earlier Versions. You can open them and browse them but you cannot recover files from older time machine backups unless you use migration assistant and I hate the assistant with a passion.

Quicktime X's player app only plays half of the files the old Qicktime player did.

Which ones can't it play? Are you sure you didn't have something like Perian installed on the old setup?

Edit: you

Yeah, qt by default hardly plays shit unless you have perian. qt x is an improvement over it.

It's a habit I've gotten from ProBoards (quick post window). I don't use Twitter.

As is ^ or ^^

If it bothers you guys, I'll stop.

edit: Sorry for the double posts too!  :why_so_serious:

Snow Leopard compatibility chart:

http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/

Bought and installed already :why_so_serious:.

I am so far very impressed with the speed upgrades.  Of course that may also be the new laptop with the solid state HD, haha. 

Macresearch.org (http://www.macresearch.org/files/opencl/Episode_1.mov) has a nice piece on OpenCL. Skip to the last 10 minutes to see a demo that shows off OpenCl in a real world app. It's damn impressive.

I'm probably gonna wait till 10.6.2 comes out as my only main need to upgrade from Tiger is to get Boot Camp and I have so many damn console games to play I really don't need it right yet.  Nice that I don't have to actually buy the 160 dollar set as my Intel Mac doesn't really do much actual productivity stuff.  My G5 does.  (Which needs a nice OS reinstall.. its slow and clunky now.)  The new suite of iLife/Work apps are sweet, but not 100bucks plus sweet.  Even if I would like to learn some music instrument basics in Garageband.

A shame Boot Camp can't be installed on an external drive according to the FAQ.  I swear the Boot Camp Beta is what killed my iMac's internal drive and I have some hesitations because of it.

I'd recommend Snow Leopard if you're using Intel, definitely. It's snappier. A lot smaller too since PPC code is gone. I'm sure that even that contributes to speed improvements.

QTX is not what I'd thought it'd be though. I was under the impression that it'd incorporate playback of more codecs, but it's just better "support" for modern codecs. i.e. better performance at QT already did. That's fine though, Perian covers just about everything. What Quicktime X is basically just a rewrite (Quicktime is almost 20 yrs old). I believe though that the Perian plug is still connecting through the old QT layer. Quicktime X is still so much in it's infancy that it can't even handle plug-ins yet.

Yeah you can have both the old QT and the new QT X installed and running at the same time. The software for the old QT is actually on the disc if you want to install it manually (e.g. you have a QT Pro license and need to reinstall that).

The one on disk is the pro edition. They finally got rid of the stupid 20 dollar fee to make it useful.

Also, for an amazing look at Snow Leopard check out John Siracusa's write up on Ars (http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars). Get a big cup of coffee, it's 23 pages.

The industrious hackers out there have already released the mods necessary to hackintosh 10.6.  So my copy's on the way from Amazon now.  I'm contemplating selling my macbook and just keeping the netbook.  Normally I foster at least a mild hatred of Dell products, but I have to confess that the mini 9 netbook is a little ass-kicker.  For all of the mobile computing stuff I do, it's been more than sufficient, at least as a Windows 7 machine.  We'll see how well it handles Snow Leopard when the disk arrives.

Well, I bought the upgrade but apparently there are issues with installing it on MacBook Air computers at the moment so it is about to go on to my MacBook Pro.

 :oh_i_see:

Update: It fucked my hard drive, had to format and install the OS from scratch.  Now, I get to spend time restoring my files from a backup.  Joy.

Fucking Bill Gates.

probably better off doing a fresh install anyways  :grin:

It just works.

Better than you'd think.