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From a fluff standpoint - Interesting.  For DoW and DoW II, Relic created its own chapter (Blood Ravens).  From the trailer though, it looks like GW gave them the blessing to bust out the big boy pants and use the Ultramarines.

Dynasty Warriors: Warhammer.

They used the Ultramarines in one of the expansions for DoW.

I'm not the biggest fan of the Ultramarines. I find them to be a bit boring as a chapter. But using them is better than making up another chapter.

I'd rather they just include all of the canon chapters, as mostly it's nothing more than a recolor of the same skins, barring special units.

Though, I'd personally like to play as a member of the Death Company.

Which one?

I believe they are in Winter Assault?

They are part of the campaign story but on the Order side you are either playing the Imperial Guard or the Eldar.

They are part of the campaign story but on the Order side you are either playing the Imperial Guard or the Eldar.

That write up was horrible and was clearly written by someone who'd done no research into the game other than attending a press conference. As far as I can tell though this is the game with the 'intimate brutality' system as seen in this video (http://games.tiscali.cz/news/news.asp?id=29130&r=top) from last year.

If you are a fan of Warhammer 40,000 you are in for a real treat this summer. THQ is launching some serious 40K firepower in the forms of Kill Team and Space Marine. Now granted if you are a Xenos player you may be sick of the Ultramarines by now, however, both of these games were shown at E3 in all of their glory and both games delivered some awesome fun. Let’s take a look at how Games Workshop continues to grow the 40K brand and what is in store for fans this summer.

While Space Marine is on everyone’s radar, Kill Team will be coming out next month. That is right - July! The game will be available on Xbox Live and the Playstation Network.  It looks to be priced in the $9.99 range. What a great way to start the summer than with this little 40K gem for on ten bucks! Heck that averages out to 2 terminator models! Players will have access to four classes: Sternguard Veteran, Techmarine, Librarian, and Vanguard Veteran. The best part is players can select from six Space Marine chapters.

The game play on Kill Team packs as much punch as a heavy bolter. If you have not seen the trailer definitely check it out. Marines will face down Orks and Tyranids after crashing into a giant Ork Kroozer to take them out. With an isometric view similar to Diablo and Torchlight, Kill Team gives players the chance to explore the giant ship and bring down the enemies of the Imperium. You can play with two people on the same couch for now. Hopefully full co-op mode will be available in the future.

Kill Team was a real surprise at E3 and we cannot wait for its arrival next month. Yet, the main focus of the THQ booth was Space Marine. With a forty foot Drop Pod and playable screens on all sides, the Ultramarines were unstoppable. The game play was amazing. One feature that stood out was being able to switch weapons fairly quickly. So, if you are facing down an Ork Loota from far away, use the Plasma Gun for full effect. If you are charging into an Ork assault, it is Bolt Pistol and Chain Sword time!

Being a Space Wolves player at heart, I am definitely going to order my copy from Gamespot. You will have the options for a Space Wolf armor or Black Templar armor set if you order from the major retailer. Honestly, I just wish it was traditional Space Wolf grey. Still, I must spend the money on it.

Space Marine will bring a lot of attention to 40K, the game that has been a major influence on almost any sci-fi futuristic combat IP. Games Workshop has been doing a great job with their models lately, finecast aside, the new Dark Eldar do look amazing. Hopefully with the success of Space Marine we will see more people coming back to the hobby and building armies again. I just wish that they would get away from the Ultramarines for a while. I’d love to see other aspects of the Imperium and heck, even see a content update where you can play as some of the other races. Hopefully this will be in the future for the game.

So, if you are a 40K player, this summer has a lot to offer. Kill Team comes in July and Space Marine in September, two solid games that will definitely put 40K on the map in the shooter space. If THQ can bring the success they had with Dawn of War to the table, we are in for some great battles this summer. On a quick note, for those of you looking towards the 40K MMO, THQ continues to work on Warhammer 40,000: Dark Millennium Online. Though we only saw a trailer at E3, rest assured that THQ are committed to the game and have plans to make some big announcements over the next year.  Right now I think it is safe to say we have some great games to look forward to in the 40K space. If Kill Team is a success it would be very cool to see them add more chapters and classes to the game as well as possibly other races. With Space Marine I just cannot wait to assault with the chainsword!!   Is that a little fanboy of me?  Screw it… BZZZZZZZZ!!!!

Going by the demo, they have put ALOT of polish into single player. Video mentions that there is indeed going to be multiplayer. I don't know if it will be PvP or Co-op however.

Looks like Gears of War with a WH40K skin.

That said, I'm a total WH40K fanboy and will be buying this one.

Sadly, this does not bode well for my desire for Homeworld 3. It DOES bode well for Homeworld: Battlefleet Gothic however! HINT HINT RELIC

I am kind of hoping they do a Space Wolves DLC mission or two where you just go all viking crazy on shit for fun.

I would fucking love an WH40K Epic RTS

The old Epic RTS from 1999 or so is surprisingly good if you can track it down.

Spaaace Wooolves in Spaaaaaaaace! I love the Space Wolves. Give me a Terminator covered in some glowing runes, please! And a power axe!

The part where he's all "Ok, I've got the Nob stunned, I'll go try a finishing move" and the Nob wakes up, lifts him and slams him to the ground was  :drill:

Thing that bothered me most was the seeming focus on melee, possibly due to not really playing AFPSes before but it seemed pretty clear that trying to stick to using ranged weapons is pretty guaranteed to go poorly. That could be down more to the fact that you're facing orcs who seem to love the smashy smashy though. I think I'll be getting this regardless but I'm hoping for some levels with a bit more variety.

Also in case anyone hasn't figured it out, the Vengeance launcher works by firing off 5 rounds (either at locations or onto enemies). Every round after the fifth causes the oldest round to explode, so it seems to be very much a tactical thing requiring laying down charges in likely locations. Not sure what you do if you've taken out all the enemies and still have a few rounds lying about though.

Thing that bothered me most was the seeming focus on melee, possibly due to not really playing AFPSes before but it seemed pretty clear that trying to stick to using ranged weapons is pretty guaranteed to go poorly. That could be down more to the fact that you're facing orcs who seem to love the smashy smashy though. I think I'll be getting this regardless but I'm hoping for some levels with a bit more variety.

Also in case anyone hasn't figured it out, the Vengeance launcher works by firing off 5 rounds (either at locations or onto enemies). Every round after the fifth causes the oldest round to explode, so it seems to be very much a tactical thing requiring laying down charges in likely locations. Not sure what you do if you've taken out all the enemies and still have a few rounds lying about though.

Discovered it's reload to detonate the Vengeance rounds. Firing off a round, backwards evade and hitting reload works pretty well on mobs of orcs.

Backwards? BACKWARDS?!

You are doing 40k wrong.

Demo was modded to add new skins - link (http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?262044-Space-Marine-Demo-DeathWatch-Mod-3).

I've always wondered what the difference was between all the different factions.

Until later in the game anyway, when you split up and go into dark rooms alone.

Played through the demo.  Oh fuck it is awesome.   Killing shit with a chainsword will never get old. :drill: 

Or single file down dimly lit corridors with strange scratchy noises coming from them.

"Space Puppies" :awesome_for_real:

Hmm...no Ultramarines recoloring. That is *NOT* Ultramarine Blue they are using in the game.

After the demo I'm convinced they will screw up Co-Op. Because otherwise the game will be too awesome. And I know how companies feel about making their game too awesome.

This and good co-op would just be too much  :drill:

F13, home of the prolonged, creepy relationship metaphor.

The story seems to be "go to this place with your two friends. There are orcs in the way." So yeah, pretty easy to make co-op. :P


EDIT: If there's only one jetpack in a level, though, I can see friendships breaking up over it.  :why_so_serious:

I know a major(?) part of the plot is that you split up from your brother marines  Not that it's such a divergence that they couldn't keep 2 Marines together. I expect that the "co-op" will be a simple horde mode. Especially since they haven't said anything refuse to speak about it. Yay.

Also, gotta agree with Ingmar - the Orks don't sound Orky enough. It also grates that the Ultramarines keep saying "onward, Space Marines" and "Space Marines yadda yadda" etc. They'd call themselves "Ultramarines", or "Sons of Guilliman" or "Defenders of Macragge"  - something specific. Not something Generic as "Space Marines". Clearly audio recorded with MP in mind and just used in both SP and MP to keep it simple. But lazy.

Or even simply Brother.   

No see, I've just gone so far forward now all the enemies are behind me.

You just confessed to passing by a filthy xeno and allowing it to live.

I really don't think you are going to last long in the grim dark future.

Just as well there aren't any commissars about, they would execute everyone on the forum just for conversing about the subject. The Inquisition have been known to liquidate entire Imperial Army groups post victory, just because they've been exposed to chaos/aliens.

The Cadian Gate is meant to be a reference to that system as a gateway to the Eye of Terror, basically whenever Chaos decides to pop out and ruin shit they go that way making it the first line of defence.

I don't think I'd be too hard on them for the Orc voices. I've never once heard of GW making a Dev's life easy when producing a game based on their IP.

The co-op is apparently NOT the campaign, and we don't get it til October:

http://geek.pikimal.com/2011/09/05/warhammer-40000-space-marine-gets-free-co-op-dlc/

The co-op is apparently NOT the campaign, and we don't get it til October:

I'm not thrilled by the MP component, but I also think Gear's multiplayer is pretty shitty as well. Coop campaign would have been absolutely awesome, but apparently we can't have nice things.

The love for this game confuses me. It's a console game, which would generally get a lot of hate around here. I thought it was good, but I see no reason why you would buy it for a PC. It's a largely on-rails third person shooter in a Warhammer skin.

It's an on rails action game. I'm okay with that, because I can't imagine what else it would be. Unless I'm going to start crawling in vents avoiding fights and sneaking around as a space marine, "go here shoot everything you see" makes perfect sense.

Please tell me you played the intro last night, Ingmar <3 <3

Haven't tried the single player yet, but the multiplayer is pretty fun. I get to make my Space Marine pink and white and jump around hit people with a power axe.

Well this pretty much moves it from 'pre-order' to '66%+ Steam sale'. Having played the demo, the gameplay isn't deep enough to justify a full price purchase for single player and no co-op campaign means it isn't even worth picking up when that releases. Disappointed. This would have been a great co-op campaign game.

It is GoW in a space marine skin, essentially.
, but this is really just Gears, with 40k's sense of excessive scale.

The love for this game confuses me. It's a console game, which would generally get a lot of hate around here. I thought it was good, but I see no reason why you would buy it for a PC. It's a largely on-rails third person shooter in a Warhammer skin.

I am quite enjoying it, my only complaints are:

1.  Rails.  I would like a bit more of an open war.
2.  Character development -  I would like a few more options other than getting the next weapon.  An ME style character development system would completely rock with this game.
3.  Sisters of Battle - It would be nice to have a female character sisters option, it may convince my wife to play, she gets really furious at games that do not allow you gender selection.

The combat though is fantastic and they got the feel of the game world spot on.

[geek]Sisters of Battle aren't surgically modified monsters like space marines, they're normal-ish humans in power armor.  They aren't in the same league for toe to toe combat with armies of bad things, which is why they work with the Inquisition for hunting down heretics instead of going around purging worlds of alien armies like the marines do.  Lore-wise it makes no sense for one of the Sisters to be a stand-in for a marine.[/geek]

That said, yeah, it would be nice of GW to throw the ladies a bone and break up the sausage fest a bit by letting the Sisters have at least a tiny smidgen of spotlight.

It's ... hard to explain. I understand the "we want it to be THIS ONE DUDE." I do! I get the lore behind it and everything. But I cannot blame women at this point to finally be like "You know what? Fuck you. I am sick to goddamn death of Male as the Default and if I can't play my own gender, you can go fuck yourself, game.

Can anyone with the game confirm or deny if the release version has 16:10 aspect ratio, as the demo only has 16:9 which is slightly annoying for me.

I get what you're saying, but basically the lore overrides your girl-rage. The game is called SPACE MARINE, and is about the most high-profile, best-selling part of GW's IP. It's not about the Adepa Sorotitas, or the Imperial Guard, or the Inquisition. It's about Space Marines, and they are all male.

No 16:10, there's like 85:45 or something, does that help?  (I have never heard of that size of res, wtf is it for? The 85:45 that is)

climbjtree -
Why not Orks? Because they'd get wiped out in seconds compared to Marines or CSMs. The game would need more depth to properly accomodate other races. Hopefully in the sequel. (which includes those Sisters, amongst many others).

I already said I got it. It's right there in my quote, even. I was simply explaining why that's not going to fly with a lot of women that you may want to give your game a try. We're sick of "oh, but they're ALL MALE, we can't help it" for what feels like every other goddamn game. The gaming industry has a long way to go before "oh, our hands are tied IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE ALL MALE" gets the benefit of the doubt it sometimes deserves.

This argument gets pulled out too frequently.  There are ways to include Space Marines (or Jedi or Wizards or whatever the alpha badass is in the IP you're using) in these games without having them insta-kill everyone they meet.  There are Orks in the single player game which are about as tough as the rank and file CSM you fight.  Or they could just balance the MP game separately and say "we buffed Orks to make the game fair" since the idea that the multiplayer in this game is somehow in canon seems unlikely to me.

I suspect it was more an art constraint thing.  I'd love to see some DLC for Orks or Sisters or other stuff, though.  Kind of jarring to go from Dawn of War which had, like, nine playable factions, to this game with two.

Yes there is 16:10 (labeled as 8:5) but it only goes up to 1680x1050 -- no 1920x1200 or 2560x1600.

I know you said that - it's why I said I wasn't trying to be offensive, but this particular bitching (from anyone) would carry more weight to me if it were being given towards a game that's a new IP, or a new story set in an existing world with a gender-doesnt matter character rather than something as specific as this with close to 25 years behind it.

I'm not even disagreeing with your larger point - I actually agree with you with the caveats in my post above! Deus Ex HR which is busily being spooged over left and right in another thread is much more deserving of this kind of complaint than Space Marine. In fact your whole rant posted above would be much more appropriate in that thread and even make a lot of sense. Where here it doesn't so much. Why can't Adam Jensen be Adama?

Uh... I can play at 1920x1200 fine. In the demo and the game itself.

Right, duh, it's checking my monitor info and limiting the resolutions I can choose from.

I can confirm that there are not one but TWO choices of pink.

I know you said that - it's why I said I wasn't trying to be offensive, but this particular bitching (from anyone) would carry more weight to me if it were being given towards a game that's a new IP, or a new story set in an existing world with a gender-doesnt matter character rather than something as specific as this with close to 25 years behind it.

Right, duh, it's checking my monitor info and limiting the resolutions I can choose from.

The thing about GW is, okay fine the super space marine bio-engineering was only made to work on dudes, whatever.  But on top of that, you almost never see a woman in 40K, ever.  I've never seen a woman naval officer mentioned in Battlefleet Gothic.  No females in the imperial guard.  No lady titan pilots.  The Tau and Eldar have some prominent women, the Orks are giant mushrooms and have no women either, and everything else is generally genderless.  It's like the brits believe that you can get by with just five percent of the population being women or something.

Guys, stop pretending. You all know the real reason there's no Spice Marines Sisters of Battle is that its impossible to wiggle your ass in power armour.  :oh_i_see:

Might be a stupid minor derail, but why exactly are there no female space marines anyway?  I mean, when you have been bio-cyber modified so heavily that your original gender might as well not even matter, why bother counting the women out?   Is it just a lore thing that the training etc is too harsh for women to handle, or was it just a mandate from on high that the marines will always be a "Boys Club".

Sexism in games is fine as long as it comes with historical baggage.  :awesome_for_real:

The thing about GW is, okay fine the super space marine bio-engineering was only made to work on dudes, whatever.  But on top of that, you almost never see a woman in 40K, ever.  I've never seen a woman naval officer mentioned in Battlefleet Gothic.  No females in the imperial guard.  No lady titan pilots.  The Tau and Eldar have some prominent women, the Orks are giant mushrooms and have no women either, and everything else is generally genderless.  It's like the brits believe that you can get by with just five percent of the population being women or something.

You know what, I am as hardcore a fan of GW and its lore as you can find.  I played 1st edition WFB and had Space wolves, Dark angel and Necron armies.  I had a fuggen army of squats too!  I used to play their fleet battle games as well.   I have played for over two decades and all I can say is:  bullshit.

GW has retconned the fuck out of every race a hundred times over at the drop of a hat for their own inscrutable marketing purposes and never batted an eye.  The fact that people even make arguments about "lore consistency" in the GW space is ridiculous.  They have changed their own lore countless times (remember when Orks were actually supposedly the slave race of snotlings who rebelled?  I do.)  There is no reason why they couldn't have a Sisters of Battle in "experimental battle armor" or some other such Maguffin to allow a female protagonist and still be consistent (snigger) with GW's "lore".  

The only reason they did not include a female character choice is laziness and sexism.  I know, other companies are just as (or more) lazy and sexist, but that does not give them a free pass.  

There is no reason why they couldn't have a Sisters of Battle in "experimental battle armor" or some other such Maguffin to allow a female protagonist and still be consistent (snigger) with GW's "lore".  

Might be a stupid minor derail, but why exactly are there no female space marines anyway?  I mean, when you have been bio-cyber modified so heavily that your original gender might as well not even matter, why bother counting the women out?   Is it just a lore thing that the training etc is too harsh for women to handle, or was it just a mandate from on high that the marines will always be a "Boys Club".

And plus dudes are just generally more bad ass. Except at having babies.

*ducks*

Spice Marines dont need armor.  Pfft.  Didnt you get the female rpg armor memo?

If you think 'girls don't play games' is a common assumption now, well, you should have seen the 1980s.

Space Marines are what they are. Suddenly deciding that they are no longer what they are is cheap when there's plenty of other space in the lore to add rather than change for the sake of change. There's plenty of space for new stuff. Dark Eldar were just rumoured in the background of the lore at one stage, and more of an echo of the "Eldar Pirates" that the Eldar were in RT-era.

What I've  never understood is why GW have never updated the chapter sizes.

Each Space Marine chapter is 1000 marines. 1000 *anything* wouldn't be able to do jack shit to a modern city, never mind an entire world in the future. Space Marine chapters are so small that they are completely useless and impractical.

It's as if one hand decided that space marines had to be small in size because they were so leet, and on the other the imperium had to be huge because that sounded cool, and never thought through what that meant.

*geek mode off*

*pointless geeky lore rant*

What I've  never understood is why GW have never updated the chapter sizes.

Each Space Marine chapter is 1000 marines. 1000 *anything* wouldn't be able to do jack shit to a modern city, never mind an entire world in the future. Space Marine chapters are so small that they are completely useless and impractical.

I mean, there's only roughly 1000 chapters in total. That makes for 1,000,000 space marines. That's not enough to conquer a medium sized western country, never mind all the stuff space marines are supposed to do. How do they possible ever fight a tyrannic attack when they're going to be outnumbered a thousand to one each wave? And even whilst they fight those another million go destroy your base, supply lines and eat all those citizens you were protecting because 1000 men can't be everywhere.

It's as if one hand decided that space marines had to be small in size because they were so leet, and on the other the imperium had to be huge because that sounded cool, and never thought through what that meant.

*geek mode off*

And Azazel, it's an issue in this thread because you made it an issue. Amiable expressed a wish for a female character so his wife would be interested (note that DE:HR has no multiplayer) and then you decided the LORE MUST BE DEFENDED.

Yeah, was about to post essentially what Kitsune said in that they're not directly analogous to Marines in the game, and particularly not in the lore - in-game, Orks are a much closer match 1-on-1 for a regular marine. Though a Captain would still kick ass, he could lose to these large swarms of Orks. Meanwhile in the lore a single SM is enough to fight off Hordes of Orks - much as in this game.

The game's not by GW, it's Relic. And it's called "Space Marine". Maybe in sequels they might open it up a little more and have a token SoB level, but I think we're more likely to see a token Grey Knight or IG level.

Character development - it's not an RPG or RPG-styled game. And a SM captain is pretty much already at the peak of his skill tree. Not really sure it's the right/same genre for ME-style character development.

Basically, you're being silly in order to push the "it could have been sisters agenda" when it doesn't fit the story/game they are telling. Which is about Space Marine(s). Not sure if you're white-knighting Sjofn since I don't recall seeing you white-knight the whole gender choice thing in threads about any other games, ever. I don't think she needs it, though. Also, you seem to be pushing almost an idea that Relic "would have wanted to make a girl but GW won't let them" with all the talk about GW in this game and not Relic. I'm sure GW would have said "no", but the assumption that Relic would have otherwise have placed a female Adepta Sororita in the game as an alternative main protaganist is drawing a pretty long bow.

It only became an issue when Sjofn got out her soapbox and made it an issue. Try reading it again and see where the thread ramps up when THIS ONE POSTER STARTS WITH THE ALL CAPS STUFF AND NERDGIRLRAGEANGST.

I didn't see people complaining that you can't play a male lead in Bayonetta, or the strong matriarchal themes in that game.

Frankly I don't give a shit either way. There are entire genres and areas of popular culture devoted to female fantasy (like teen fiction). I honestly don't care that some things cut the other way.

I didn't see people complaining that you can't play a male lead in Bayonetta, or the strong matriarchal themes in that game.

When they tried to give the players a choice with the Sisters of Battle, the players largely rejected that choice.

This was actually a common complaint and is generally considered one of the reasons the game perhaps underperformed.

That and the immature "lol boobz" 'sexuality.'

yeah, real big fucking issue there. Such an angry post.  :oh_i_see:

Wouldn't that game be about 5 minutes long before a tyrannid eats you or a commisar shoots you?

Wouldn't that game be about 5 minutes long before a tyrannid eats you or a commisar shoots you?

I've seen them.  There's a couple locally who attend the Games Workship tournaments.

They're pretty good, though they're kinda young so I shouldn't be looking.

Legal.

But Kinda young.   BECAUSE I'M OLD.

I get what you're saying, but basically the lore overrides your girl-rage. The game is called SPACE MARINE, and is about the most high-profile, best-selling part of GW's IP. It's not about the Adepa Sorotitas, or the Imperial Guard, or the Inquisition. It's about Space Marines, and they are all male.

I hear Ian Watson's 1990 novel Space Marine is basically a piss take on the sausage fest nature of GW's universe. I should read it.

edit: I ordered it from Black Library's print on demand service. Thanks f13!

I'm not white knighting anyone, I was the one who brought this issue up in the first place, if anything Sjforn is white knighting me!  

I love how having an opinion on gender issues in a game must mean I am trying to get my dick wet with some random internet chick whom I have never met or had any contact with as opposed to being an actual opinion that may have some validity.  I like to play games with my wife, who likes to play a protagonist of her own gender.   Sue me.  

Also there is a hell of a lot of difference between having a Xeno (such as an Eldar or Tau) in this scenario vs a member of the Imperium.  Adeptus Sororitas and Adeptus Asatares are (theoretically) playing for the same team.  The inference you make about xeno's is far sillier than what I am suggesting.

If GW is pushing this idiotic line that "hurf-blurf we can' have Adeptus Sororitas because they aren't Space Marines and Space marines are men", then they are just as idiotic and need to be called out for the reasons I outlined above:  lore consistency isn't their strong suit and arguing the grimdark in 40000 years is an all boys club is just dumb.  The actual reason that there are not more female-based armies in W40K is because if the rather poor sales numbers of the sisters (perhaps due to theme and perhaps due to them being not that great an army list).  That logic is completely inapplicable to a video game, where you have a large built in female audience.

girl explaining why women give a shit about playing their own gender to the point where they'll reject a game that doesn't have that option." Yeah, I use caps sometimes for emphasis. LIKE RIGHT NOW.

PS: Your little quote of yourself? That wasn't to me. It was before I attempted to explain why anyone gives a shit about playing their own gender.

Warhammer 40k is male nerd power phantasies gone gaming world. It comes from an era where girls had the cooties.
When they tried to give the players a choice with the Sisters of Battle, the players largely rejected that choice.
Relics hands are somewhat tied in this. Were there female Space Marines, it wouldn't be Warhammer anymore. And they would lose more hardcore W40k nerds than they would win women gamers.
Its one of the worst examples to fight for gender equality, right after demanding more women in gay porn.

Nerd pedantry:
GW themselves seem to hate SoB, they just released a new "codex" in the form of two White Dwarf articles. They redid precisely zero models, and you can't even buy the old ones anymore except whatever stock they have left at the mail order, for $10 per figure. The basic sculpts are 15 years old.

Tbh, I have yet to even come across a female in the FLGS at the wargaming tables.  You'll see em boardgaming or roleplaying it up, maybe they've got a coven of sex-starved WoD vamps under their control, whatever... but, when it comes to wargaming they dont bother.  (shrug)  How sexay would it be though watching a she-nerd push minis across a table. mmmmmmmm

In all seriousness, a Vindicare Assassin (or really, any of the Officio Assassinorum temples) game could be pretty sweet.

right after demanding more women in gay porn.

Space Marines ignored women in their lore for the same reason it's ignored in the game... Some dude making his Mary Sue didn't think about women.

It's a shitty justification.

Is it just me or is Az approaching "psycho" critical mass with that post ?

... but we have one guy who plays "in character" as an Ultramarine Captain. It's painfully embarassing to even be in the shop while he does it.

Cause and effect?

Cause and effect?

And all this emanated from a throw away line about how it would be nice for there to be a Sisters of Battle option in this game.  FFS some of you are crazy.

Really ?  That's what they sound like ?

 :oh_i_see:

Really ?  That's what they sound like ?

Game I didn't play, so I'm not likely to complain about something like that. I do generally dislike that, though, I bitched for months about the female-only classes being added to DAoC back in the day, for example. But if you thought Bayonetta was some sort of feminist manifesto made game-flesh ... I really don't know what to tell you.

I got this game when it was released and so far I'm having a blast.  Haven't tried multiplayer yet but the single player side is fun, even though its a very linear experience.  I never get tired of the excecutions. :heart:

As for the game not having any playable female characters, I don't have a huge problem with it because, even today, theres not too many women involved in combat trades.  Even less so in a "special forces" type unit like the Space Marines seem to be (not too familiar with the 40,000K lore).  I've been in the military since 1994 and I've seen very few women in combat trades like infantry (I was infantry for 7 years), armour, artillery and combat engineers.  Most of them go into non-combat trades (like I am now) not because they're forced to but because they generally don't want to.  Believe it or not, GI Jane is mostly Hollywood fiction thats not reflected in reality.

I think I'll run and hide for awhile now. :mob:

Thing 40k is not: An accurate representation of real life military demographics anything.

Originally, the fluff had them ignore women for the same reasons the Spartans did - because they were trying to make them ultimate badass warrior brotherhood.

Thing 40k is not: An accurate representation of real life military demographics.

There weren't many women fighting in the olden days either, yet folks can make their lady warriors in WoW or whatever.  :why_so_serious:




I think what I enjoy best about single player (haven't tried multi), is the different ways you can approach it. I basically used two weapons 90% of the time, my default bolter gun and my storm hammer. Ingmar did the opposite, sniping his way through most of the game. I could replay through the single at least a few times without it being completely stale.

So having started playing multiplayer on this (and it's been a few years since I got into MP in any game) did it become standard to restrict public games to one or two game types and a matchmaking service that removes pretty much all customisability or is Relic just hugely behind the times on this? It feels very much a console type thing and it's kind of annoying having everything being team games with quite a small number on each side. Even just a death match option or having a ridiculous kill target for each team in annihilation would make it a bit easier to get the unlocks. Actually on that topic, making the armour pieces unlockable has probably been the single biggest thing to draw me into MP simply because I love my Grimdark barbie doll dressup.