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Ok, so I watched it.. and I liked it.   :ye_gods:

Inspired casting, great music, not sure how they'll be able to sustain it for a full season, though.

That was my thought too. 

The casting is perfect so far, but I wonder how big they are gonna grow the Glee club as the show progresses.

When did you become a woman?  :oh_i_see:

The cast is too uneven as far as singing and dancing is concerned if they want to continue that. The Journey piece was definitively great but the guy completely sunk compared to the girl.

So whats it about? Vampire Hunters, Robots from the future, or snarky professionals?

Give me something. Right now it sounds like High School Musical, the series.

I think you have it surrounded.

I walked in when my roommate was watching the end. All I could think was "This was better on Family Guy."

I can't believe Terminator died so that shit like this could exist.

Yes he's the only one of them that's not a seasoned performer in real life and it shows. However it does fit his character's background. He's just a jock that likes singing to himself in the shower. The girl on the other hand has been doing this since she was a toddler (on the show).


The blurb from the FOX site:



You are better off blaming Whedon :awesome_for_real:

BTW the Pilot episode is still available on Hulu:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/73740/glee-pilot

oh thank god i was worried i'd have to catch a rerun

I made it 5 minutes. I stopped caring.

I didn't expect to like it at all, but I thought it was entertaining.

So... there's only the one episode until the fall season begins?

Yep, it's part of the marketing for the show.  Seems to have been a good choice, it's getting alot of "buzz".

So, I was bored with the lack of new TV series for my rowing workout and I actually thought better than nothing.

That actually worked for me, I think the understated humor did it. "We never found out who my real dad is"

Couldn't make it through the whole episode it just didn't do anything for me.

Even a gay friend of mine said this show was too gay for him.

Ookii denned my repeat thread, but I like it for its likeness to Election. I lolled at the first and second episodes. It doesn't try too hard, which is a nice change.

Ookii can't den a thread, I did.

It's a fun show, the main girl is adorable.  But I don't know how they can sustain it either.  The female coach is amusing too.

Last episode had some really lazy writing.

Indeed. The OCD teacher girl is sadly the most dynamic of the crew. Every single person on that show is built so one-dimensional it almost pains me to watch. I give it one more episode before I go on my merry way.

--and can someone please explain to me why the cheerleaders wear their uniforms EVERY SINGLE DAY? I get the underlying purpose, but is it really THAT necessary?

I can't think of any reason why you'd complain about those uniforms. Maybe they have a low costume budget.

Yeah, last night's episode wasn't that great, but I'm hoping it was just a lull.

I'm trying to figure out if it's worse that I watch this or Ugly Betty.

I think it's awesome that you watch those shows.  You're in touch with whatever side it is that covers that sort of thing.  You should be proud of it!



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The show is horrid in the 30s promos they put on TV and the radio. I can't imagine sitting through a full episode for an hour.

But then again they gave it more of a chance than anything with a remote Sci-Fi fanbase, so it's got legs.

It is a campy musical melodrama.

That formula has worked for getting eyeballs into seats in this country for 125 years.

You don't have to think, you get to laugh, and you see pretty girls singing and dancing around. Very much in the formula that has been selling out musical comedies since the late 1800s.

That you, Grandpa Shirley?

Sorry, 7 semesters of theatre history classes in college/grad school. One of which was entirely devoted to the crap that was considered American Theatre in the 18th and 19th centuries.

Ok 3rd episode was boring.  Falling off my radar.

I can see this surviving for a while despite itself just based on what it's up against. The alternatives are SVU, The new Ed O'Neil show followed by "Cougar Town" , and Criminal Minds.  Seems like it'll capture a nice niche and live on.

I may survive the season up against those other shows sure, but I can see it getting moved to Friday nights next season (which is the death knell for most shows on the alphabet stations).

I can completely see Kristin Chenoweth getting an emmy nod for best guest star for this episode.

I thought last night's episode was excellent as well. Even the musical numbers were entertaining (instead of something I just tolerate).

Just happened to walk into the living room as my sisters were watching this. I never walked out. Quite enjoyable.

"I wanna be very clear, I still have the use of my penis."  :drill:

Whatsername's stutter has always bothered me as sounding really fake.  I'm glad to learn it was in-character bad acting rather than real-world bad acting.

Also, they need to stop humanizing Sue.  It confuses me.

Seriously, it's hard to hate her when she does nice things!

The season finale was  :drill:.  I'm glad they had the balls to resolve the major plot points rather than stretching the same shit out for another season.

Not season finale -- it was the Fall finale.

Leaving aside that Fall is a season -- when do we get new episodes?

For new episodes it's going to be after AI (or near the end of it).

I can't tell you how proud I am that it took me a minute to figure out what "AI" is.   :awesome_for_real:

Took me a while too.  Nadir of my TV season.   Nothing like being bombarded about the next mediocre singer that I'll never hear about again.

Carrie Underwood just had a Christmas special on FOX. :awesome_for_real:

Who?

She dated Tony Romo before Jessica Simpson did.

Who?

"Sex isn't dating, if it was, Santana and I would be dating."

Hawt.

Ok randomly watched this because I was bored and seem to have run out of trash to entertain me. It was fun. If I was going to start thinking for even a second I'd complain that they had a horrible schizophrenia in writing characters, back to back they went from nice and balanced one episode to psycho bitch the next. It does the fill the need of fun, mindless entertainment with some really good moments and overall enjoyable music. Ridiculous enough to pull it off much of the plot without making me gag.

This is making it's way over to the UK and I have to say I'm enjoying it. It's pretty mindless, but I like it.

It's a fun show, the ppl that think it's "OMG! HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL" are missing out I think.

Honestly from what I've seen of it, it's more like Desperate Housewives with music and teenagers.

Did you know that dolphins are just gay sharks?

Is anyone still watching this? The second season got off to a sluggish start but has been picking up. The Madonna episode was probably the best episode they have done so far.

Still watching.  I liked that in the last episode they actually did an original arrangement for a song.  And in the same scene hung a nice lampshade on the fact that the pianist is always improbably lurking in the background.

I was really annoyed by the obvious lip syncing (or maybe it was just really heavy autotune usage) in the "Bad Romance" cover, though.

Still watching it, still liking it. Except that Kurt/Finn fiasco.

Kurt is clearly a crazy manipulative stalker. Letting Finn use a curse word he never used before just so that Kurts fathers rant seems justified is such a transparent viewer manipulation that it was extremely off-putting.

It's lip syncing. They rerecord the songs in the studio after (or maybe even before) filming the scene(s).

The "faggy" scene was a bit uncomfortable, but really well written/acted.  You'd expect that sort of reaction out of teenagers, and you'll see that sort of reaction for a long time to come. 

But really, what did Kurt expect?  His motives are completely transparent.  It'd be just as bad if you were in close quarters with a girl you didn't like sans the added homophobia angle.

Not a big fan of Gaga/Kiss so the music wasn't particularly strong for me this episode, but they were a little less clumsy when dealing with the issues unlike a few of the previous episodes.

The Kurt/Finn thing is awkward, but I agree that the acting was generally pretty convincing. Both characters are fairly sympathetic, which helps. I'm glad they're managing to spin up some new and interesting plot lines, since so many shows seem to fall down a plot black hole in their second season. The main plot line which seems to have gone dead for no particular reason is the Will-Emma one though.

The quip about the pianist was a brilliant little touch.

Santana makes the best Gaga by a long way, although all of their costumes were pretty awesome

Still loving it! I was a little sad to see how quickly they tied up the "Shelby is Rachel's mom" arc, but they still have plenty of stories to work with. Can't wait for tonight's episode!

Finn is 16 all of a sudden?  :headscratch:

Stars of high school based shows always start off 16 in the first year don't they?

I don't think they are supposed to be all Freshman.

Wasn't he about to 'go off to college' in the previous season, when he still thought Quinn's kid was his?

I think he's a junior.

"I'm not going to shake your hand, Will; I've seen the car you drive and I don't want to catch Poor."

"What kind of world would that be? A world where I couldn't make fun of you for tearing up more than Michael Landon in a sweeps week episode of Little House on the Prairie"

It took them all year, but I think they finally got the Sue calibration instruments to work.

I was meh on most of the songs, and in general I think the music was stronger in the early episodes than it's been in the recent ones, but when they started doing To Sir With Love... well, I may have been a little verklempt.

I liked the songs in the first thirdish of the season better as well but I was totally stoked when I found out the finale would be a Journey episode :awesome_for_real: and it didn't disappoint.

Man, it just now occurred to me that Sue did a really nice thing by letting Will think that she was the reason they lost.

Oh wow, that's true. :)

Journey songs were great also. 

Goddamn my wife and child for watching this while I'm in the same room, I started to pick it up after the Madonna episode.  Yes I like Madonna, fuck you.


I thought the same thing about it being 'nice' and that the whole end was too much of a 180 for the Sue-Will relationship.   The Sue I'd been seeing for the last half a season would have laughed in his face, smirked and walked away letting the club fail.  This turnaround felt forced, even if the 'real stars' were all mean and nasty to her enough to have made her empathize with the outsiders.  She'd shaken off enough personal attacks and real hits to her ego over the year that giving in on that one and being the 'hero' seemed forced.

Sue suddenly being nice didn't bother me quite as much as Mercedes and Kurt suddenly being happy to play second fiddle to Rachael and Finn.  There were entire episodes in the first half of the season that centered around them fighting to not be the token girly dude and the token black chick.  Then they get to regionals and it's the Rachael and Finn Show again with not a complaint from either of them.

Well that was kind of the point. Mercedes and Kurt tried to get out of the shadow of Rachel (Kurt wasn't competing for the male lead parts) including joining the Cheerios at one point but it didn't work out so they came back and accepted their backup roles, at least for now. Jesse was Finn's competition for male lead part and in fact took that role from Finn while Jesse was in New Directions but when he went back to Vocal Adrenaline, Finn got his part back.

Kurt and Mercedes were still in the cheerios. In the episode before regionals, they won the big cheer competition because Kurt did like a 10-minute solo.

It was 14 minutes. Of Celine Dion. In French. And that's true Kurt is still in the Cheerios. It was only Mercedes that left the Cheerios after her fling with Puck.

I was bummed that the funk they brought in the previous episode ended up amounting to diddly squat for intimidation against Vocal Adrenaline.

Almost nothing they do ever amounts to diddly squat in the greater "arc".  They spend the whole season practicing songs and making costumes and coming up with fancy choreography that they're going to use to win at the competition, and then come competition time they don't use any of it (except Don't Stop Believing).  Which I guess is so we don't get bored seeing the same songs over and over again -- but I think it'd actually be pretty cool if they'd done a bunch of songs over the course of the season and then picked the three best to do again but more awesome for the season finale.  But then, I'm a freak in that I like the "rough" and unaccompanied numbers better than the high production value ones in general.

Also, "To Sir With Love" was a better performance than anything they did at regionals IMO.  If nothing else, it was a much better ensemble piece (despite being originally written for one voice).

Finale was, ok. It felt like they tried to cram two or three episodes worth of story into a single episode though

I saw a coworker watching this, so I was like hm, what's all the fuss about. I found the finale performance online and was all "OMG OMG THIS IS SO MUCH AWESOME" So now I'm watching the series, starting with Ep 2 because the pilot isn't online anywhere.

I must say, it's pretty cool going into it, after knowing where it's headed. I saw the sheet music for Journey and was all, "Mmm hmm," nod knowingly.

And through second hand exposure, this show is giving me diabeetus.

Omg omg things are happening, and stuff!

I watched the pilot on Hulu when the show first aired, but it's not there anymore.  :uhrr:

I just went out at got the damn DVD. Those video diaries are freakin' cute. I was glad to see them eating big ass pizzas. I'm tired of watching actors starve themselves!

Library!

Then again, it's probably only in our library whenever my wife wants to pick it up because it's a singing and dancing show and I live in redneck country.

Speaking of actors starving themselves, I saw pictures of Lea lately and she needs a freakin' sammich. I was afraid that shit was gonna happen.  :uhrr:

HOLY CRAP NEW SEASON!


Spoilered just in case, though I imagine anyone who's gonna see it has already.

She is totally skinny, it's true. But her bangs are really cute.

Also, I thought it was kinda funny that they addressed the "Will sucks at rap" by having Artie rap in what, every song? They just need less rapping. Period.

Also, meow! at the new kid Sam (Gus Van Sant's wet dream).  :drillf:

Heh. I bet he's all gay and stuff.

Ugh. I wish Mike Chang would have just stood there and sung whem Sam was auditioning. He's like this really creepy mime now, dancing around while everybody else sings. I suppose it can be attributed to how he loves dance and never gets the chance to do it outside that room. But still, holy crap! Even Brittany stands still once in a while!

Brittany was cute running off with her new sexual harrasment doll. Hehehehe.  :heart:

Yes.  I think the problem is that they haven't figured out what his character is beyond "Asian guy who likes to dance around a lot".

I watched it again last night, and when Quinn and Santana were fighting, I got chills when Brittany said, so quietly, "Stop the violence." At first I thought it was funny, but then realized it just might be a sign of a horrible history of abuse, of which Brittany has only been able to survive by pretending to be so dumb....

Agreed with most of the points; the plot seemed a little over-worked, but I'm still look forward to a season which I hope will remain mostly lighthearted.

BRITNEY SPEARS SEX RIOT.

Nah, Brittany is just that dumb.

And more talented than all of them. Bitch.

Seriously, after the Britney Spears episode, if there was any doubt in my mind that Brittany and Santana are what made me watch the show, that doubt is gone.

Yeah.  And Britney S Pears is hotter than I thought.  Holy shiet.

For some reason she just looks a hundred times hotter with hair framing her face. Which is odd, since I think the other two cheerios look better with the ponytail look.

Man, that hair made her sodamnhot in Artie's dream sequence last year, despite being dressed kinda frumpy at the time.

Holy crap. Even in an episode where she had almost half the screentime as everyone else, she still managed to keep it subtle. (Except when she was shoving her body right up in the camera.  :grin: )

Unfortunately for Rachel she falls below the Vicky Mendoza diagonal

Fortunately, Santana and Brittany are just stupidly hot.

Will is being a bit too douchey right now, I prefer him as the nice guy.

Finally watched the episode last night, and I concur 100%.  My theory is that it's her nose.  Big hair has a way of making otherwise prominent facial features look more in balance with the rest of the face.

Tonights episode hit waay too close to personal experience.

I was surprised that

NOT what I was expecting at all. Freaking amazing. And on top of that, they still brought the funny.

Also the guy who plays Finn is getting better. They'll always face the auto-tuner; shit, they got like a day to learn the songs sometimes. But he put some serious mojo into it nonetheless.

Also,

I liked the episode, thought it did a decent enough job of expressing both sides of the issue.

I wonder if they had to pay the people who made Across the Universe anything to use their version of that song.

Love that arrangement - my favorite song in that movie. Some of the other songs in this episode, well, PVRs were made for fast forwarding Yentl.

I actually liked the Yentl bit. We got to see Rachel not be a complete bitch for a couple minutes.

(Disclaimer: I loves me some showtunes (no homo).)

BTW, is it me or has Kurt gone from being mostly likable to asshole over the course of the series?  I felt like he really took a plunge in the episode where he schemed and plotted to get Finn sleeping in his room, and during this episode he was just pretty much a dick to everyone (including his dad at the beginning of the episode, so he doesn't get to use the "going through a rough time" excuse for that one).

I think it comes and goes; it seems like pretty much all the other kids at school treat him like shit because he's gay, and Glee is the only place where he is accepted for who he is. I'm not sure he was ever that sweet, he always seemed to have a bit of an (understandable) edge. Frankly I think he's one of the most convincing characters in the show, he's flawed but not in an overly exaggerated way, unlike Rachel or Santana. I'd agree with you that the only part of him that I didn't find convincing was the whole "get Finn to love me" plot or whatever the fuck that was, that made fuckall sense.

What's getting me is the whole "hey here's two new interesting characters!" oh wait "yoink, they're gone". I don't get wht they're doing there, but some new blood would have been nice I think.

I have to say, I think this episode and the earlier one with Kurt and his Father have been some of the best episodes the show has done.

I don't think any of the characters are meant to be that likable. They need to have their asshole sides, or it becomes High School Musical.

I can understand Kurt not wanting others' prayers. I just started injecting myself with Cimzia for my Crohn's, and all of a sudden everybody was all "Hang on, you are in my prayers, get well soon," whatever the fuck. I fucking hate pity, and I especially hate people dumping their Gods on me. I manage to say "Thank you" and just grit my teeth through it, but I'm getting near 40 now. Kurt's just a kid. If he didn't act out occasionally, I wouldn't believe him human at all.

The only real bad thing about Kurts characterization was the Finn stalking fiasko, and only insofar as it was presented by the writers as the ok thing to do.

He is kind of a snippy bitch, but in a believable way for a teenage boy and not in an exaggerated "TV gay" way.

Interesting, I didn't get that at all. To me it was more like "Hey kids, this is what to do if you want to alienate your straight friends."

And as if on cue, last night we got a sympathetic look on both sides of that particular coin. I'm not too cool with the way Kurt's dad handled the conversation, but it was believable. I like how they still keep shit real between each other, even though Burt just got out of the hospital. Burt doesn't baby his son, so Kurt sure ain't gonna baby his dad.

Sad. Meatball. :(

They were tired of scissoring.   :drillf:

Agree.  Stupid Artie.

Hawt! I like it when they actually address their sex life instead of just making it some kind of joke. Not only does it keep the characters honest, but it is also hawt.

WTF IS THAT CREEPY AVATAR SAMWISE  :ye_gods: (also agreed re: stupid Artie.)

You asked for it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lqfQi7146U)

Nooooooooooooooo /vader  :uhrr:

NSFW but much better vid! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA)

I really liked the duets; Tina and Mike were a lot of fun, Kurt was great and Mercedes and Santana were also really good. It was a bit too obvious for comfort that Quinn was lip-synching in hers, but it was forgivable.

What was the deal with Rachel and Finn's duet; I understand that it pissed all the others off, but I don't know the song, nor the context. Also frankly I think they missed a trick by not doing Springtime for Hitler  :why_so_serious:



I thought he handled it fairly well to be honest, but otherwise I agree with you. Overall I like this episode, the series is starting to grow some legs, and I'm pleased with how they're handling the chanracters. I'm still curious about the other Asian girl, and wtf is up with Puck.

edit: Also

"The Clintons?"  :awesome_for_real:

Every week a winner.

A lot of people missed that, myself included. Apparently she was supposed to be a Catholic school girl, and the song was about having sex or something. Everybody I know thought she was dressed as a nun, and didn't understand the song. Even so, given the World of Glee, it was small potatoes compared to the Britney Spears Sex Riot, marijuana brownies, and kicking old ladies down stairs.

Tonight's episode...  :why_so_serious:

Just pure awesome.  Especially the cameo by Brad and Eddie.  And "Toucha Toucha".

Heh! Barry Bostwick and Meatloaf. I can't stand Rocky Horror, but they made it awesome. And I love it when Sue is right. And by love it I mean I hate it. But by that I mean I love it.

Fun episode

That was better Katy Perry than Katy Perry.

Seriously, I'd love to see her naked, but if she never sang again, I'd be ok with it.

I called the meatheads being closet Muscle Marys like, two episodes into season 1.  :drillf:

To me, Glee seems to be getting more and more serious and a bit over the time with "sending a message" with each episode.  I'd like to get back to lighthearted fun and jokes that you're not sure should be on a primetime network show.

Well yeah, it was kinda obvious at least one of 'em would be.

I'm still kinda hoping Kurt and *cough* Blaine (really? that was the best they could come up with for a private school kid?) hook up, just so he can stop being a whiny little bitch.

Also, Artie and Puck as a team is badass.

Just caught it last night. That was seriously the most gay and the least gay episode they've done yet. At the same time! Amazing. I can just see them going "Dude, an entire boy's school singing to Kurt? Too gay! We need Lea Michele in tight leather STAT!"

I liked how the white gay bully (tried to google the character's name but the Internet is currently awash with tons of articles going "OMG GLEE DO NOT UNDERSTAND GAYS" for some stupid fucking reason) is still a bully and didn't get transformed overnight into an understanding nice guy. I don't know who Kurt will end up with now! Who can say! Hmmmm! Heh, the producers have said several times that Kurt will hook up with a member of the football team, or a new kid, or a rival kid, or even someone from Vocal Adrenaline.

And I'm kinda missing Rachel and/or Finn episodes. It's been nice focusing on the others for a while, but eh.

Oh and btw, it may be interesting to note the actor playing White-gay-bully is actually a decent singer, and was even in a Glee club back in high school. WILL HE JOIN GLEE???

Here's the "omg glee is bad gay advice" thing I mentioned earlier:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-anthony-libresco/glees-gay-suicide-psa-it_b_781815.html

The writer of that article seems to think that everybody involved in the bullying handled it poorly. Given the outcome of the episode, I think that was the point.

The gay bully sexually assaulted Kurt. I hope Kurt doesn't go all Stockholm Syndrome on that shit, but I also don't want to watch the downer of Glee exploring sexual assault-as-episode fodder.

Yeah that kinda creeped me out. I was spoiled on the bully's gayness before I saw the episode, so I went past that "OMG" moment and went straight to the "Ewww."

Hopefully they'll make light of it. Strange thing to hope for, but they've made it work before. (q.v. the original Glee teacher in episode 1)

I personally think the writer of this article lives in lala land. I make no destruction in who is being bullied. But FFS grow some. Does it matter that is a gay person, or a nerd, or some fat girl? Being bullied is being bullied. Confront that shit, you may get an ass whopping. But thinking someone is always going to be there to save in the real world is absolutely ludicrous. I speak from experience, being a "Victim (*sigh*)* of bulling myself.


Sweet mother of god! Really? Wow.... Really? That's really what you want to classify it as? REALLY?

I was cheering the entire time Kurt decided to confront.

Kinda, yeah. If it had been a girl instead of Kurt, with some big dude using physical force to intimidate and restrain her and then planted a weird, intense kiss, what would you call that? I didn't say 'rape', but this was definitely assault.

More like an act of confused desperation. Even Kurt knew that.

For reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEVn8xpyLS4

I see a dude in a moment of frustration go for it, and get rejected. (he goes in for a second time) Blane had it right, "Hes not coming out anytime soon".

Ehhhh....

Okay, he wasn't being malevolent in his intentions, but it was still a pretty fucked-up situation. People commit all kinds of crimes in a moment of desperation or frustration ("passion").

I think he was a bit upset that Kurt said "Your not my type".

Are you telling me you have never liked someone, and when they told you something like that, you didn't just go for it? Perhaps in the vain hope of changing there mind, fireworks and all that?

Well, first off, I'm a woman, so I've never been at the physical size advantage with anyone that I've put a "move" on. Second, since I'm a woman I've never really had a guy say "no thanks" until much too late.  :oh_i_see:

There's a difference between the lean-in and a full-on head-grab. And it was in the middle of a very violent situation! How can you not see that Kurt was terrified of this jock? The kiss was a surprise, but it doesn't remove the violence from the situation, not one whit.

Eh, when I watched it, I saw Kurt shocked at the kiss, then completely shocked about being privy to  the secret "jock guy" just exposed, likely a bunch of pity for him. Hence why Kurt got that Blane dude to go talk to him..

Yeah I didn't see "going for it". I just saw outright assault. But I can imagine Kurt forgiving him for it, because it wasn't really horrible assault. Just the kissing version of pushing against the lockers.

Dear Glee,

You know I love you. But if you ever touch Singin in the Rain again, I will cut you.


Love,

X

Yeah I wasn't terribly fond of that either. The episode was downright awesome until that...that...whatever that was.

That whole episode was... disjointed. Plot points just kind of flying around and inbetween musical moments that just kind of occured. That said, it actually made me enjoy watching Gwyneth Paltrow in something, which I'm not sure has ever happened before. I actually thought the attempt at Singing in the Rain was a much better example of a successfull "mashup" than either of the travesties from the week before.

Hated the All that Jazz number, but I've always hated that song/musical/movie/Liza Minnelli

I don't think that was as much a story-episode, as it was a Gwyneth-episode. Just my impression.

Oh, and holy crap creepy: "There's someone out there for you." Karovsky walks by and winks. Then later on, TEENAGE DEATH THREAT!

Also, "Gay, gay-gay, gaygaygay. Oh look at that, I open up my mouth and a tiny pink purse falls out!"

I hated Gwyneth Paltrow in it. They auto-tuned her all to fuck and it was clearly an attempt at covertly promoting the new movie she's in (does she play Loretta Lynn?). Yick.

I'm just amazed they managed to make her seem like she has a personality

Yea, that's more what I was getting at.

Lotta of weird, awesome and funny things in this episode.  The thermometer and vasoline and playing sick baby?   :awesome_for_real:


I was rolling with this one.  Awesome.

I hated the "All That Jazz" number.  It was terrible and I've seen it done better.

When Shoester? Shuester? was hallucinating and all the Glee people were small kids was funny too.

The Singing in the Rain was pretty bad.  I love the set and the choreography but the song was just awful.  The song they mashed it with fucking drives me insane every time I hear it.

Edit:
I forgot, "There has to be a Journey song we haven't done yet!"

I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one, but I'm really missing Rachel Berry. The first season was generally through her eyes, and it gave the whole arc a sense of focus. Now it's all over the place, she's become even more of a charicature of herself, has one or two lines per episode, and it's all a bunch of stuff that happens to a bunch of different people. It's nobody's story anymore.

The producers have said several times that they want to go more in-depth on all the characters this season, so I have a feeling it's intentional, but it just feels disjointed.

No, I agree with you. I miss Rachel, too. I love her insufferable egotism.

I agree as well.

I'm sure her recording was auto-tuned (everybody is, duh), but I don't know about "the fuck out of". She has that jerky tonality with everything she sings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjx5wSXROl0

Okay, Sue fucking rocked. It's awesome to see her do the right thing. I hope she doesn't make a habit of it though.  :grin:

And the "Glee wedding" was good old fashioned Glee cheese. Oh man, been a while since we've had some of that.

She did something similar, though not quite as impactful, at the end of the religion episode too.

I loved this episode, too. Straight up misty-eyed cheese-fest.  :awesome_for_real:

I'm starting to think that to combat the "Rachel-hate" they're making us fall more in love with Kurt, then make him Best Buddies with Rachel. They do a duet together, she offers him a solo, and next week she's quietly cheering him on from the audience....

http://insidetv.ew.com/2010/11/24/glee-darren-criss-train-hey-soul-sister/

I fucking loved this ep. Misty-eyed cheese doesn't describe it. It did make me dread the remaining planning I have to do for my own wedding a little less.

And sue's dress was badass. Still trying to talk the missus into something like it.  :awesome_for_real:

Thank you Glee for moar Rachel. Also, love the straight-off-Internet-comments line from Quinn, "Mostly you're just annoying but now I find I want to punch you every time you open your mouth."

That is exactly what I thought as well.

I hated seeing Rachel so castrated again, but at least they weren't side-stepping the "let everyone have a turn" issue this time.

I thought this was one of the best episodes they have done, and it tied up a lot of the slightly more ponderous story arcs too.

Florence + The Machine was an interesting choice.

Okay so Glee Christmas was amazing. I didn't think they'd take the Grinch as far as they did. Freaking brilliant.

I didn't have much hope when it started, as I was expecting a non story wrapped around annoying Christmas Choir songs. By the end of it though, I was happy. Three bits made it work for me:

 - Becky the Reindog
 - Brittney in Cindy Lou Who braids
 - and that stupid Whoville song which for some reason allways gets to me this time of year.

Yes, yes and yes. All three of those things made this ep rock.

Those and the fact that I think Artie and Brittany are the best couple evar.

Sorry, but my inner letch is still hoping for a Brittney / Santana reuniting. That, and I really find the Artie character annoying.

Not that I disagree about the hotness of Brittany/Santana (oh so hot), but Bartie is just so damn cute.

Odd lack of Chanukah though, in what has been an otherwise fairly Jew-friendly show so far.

I thought the "Baby It's Cold Outside" was pretty meh.  Curt's voice is perfect for the female role, but the other dude's voice wasn't right for it, it was too soft imo.

The rest of the ep was great.  I love me some Grinch.

Totes.

But does anyone besides Sauced and me think that Becky is basically a pirate's slave-monkey to Sue? Doesn't seem very pro-handicapable to me.

The Jewish reference was the Chinese food on Christmas Day quip from Rachel.

Yes, pirate slave monkey, but I get the feeling that they're ignoring the handicapable angle completely. Or, Sue is empowering a Downs kid in a way that she (Becky) wouldn't be empowered otherwise. (By turning her eeeeevil MUAHAHAHAHA. Er, but in a fun way.)


Ah, good catch, I missed that.

Yes and no.  It's a very big sister/ little sister relationship.   If you didn't have siblings you wouldn't quite get it, but if you did think about how the older of you always managed to manipulate the other into being your accomplice.  It's using people being confused for love and very fitting for the emotional child Sue is.

I have a younger brother, but he never really did my bidding. I didn't try to use him as my personal assistant, though, either.

Then you missed out on one of the great joys of siblinghood!  As the eldest of 4 I had several minions, and they had their own.  Well until you got to the youngest, but they're the youngest so fuckem!  They get all the attention anyway.

No. Sue heaps abuse on Becky because she treats Becky as if she wasn't handicapped. There was an early episode in Season 1 where Becky was in Cheerio tryouts or something like that and Sue insulted her performance just like she would've to a person without Down's. And Becky, I believe, appreciates that because it makes her feel like she's more like a regular person.

THOSE BETTER BE TEARS OF JOY!!!

I think that universal bitchiness also came across when she was insulting Kurt, calling him a girl's name, and Kurt accused her of bullying. So she just used a different insult.  :awesome_for_real:

No, I remember all that but she doesn't ever insult Becky like she does everyone else, she just uses her to do her bidding. I mean, it'd be a lot funnier if Sue called Becky "Corky" once in awhile to keep it real, naw mean?  :why_so_serious:

Given her natural born sister's also has downs, she's never going to heap abuse on her based on that.  Never.   Remember the episode where they introduced her sister and she donated to have wheelchair ramps installed.  She's got a soft spot for disabilities.  That's the main reason I see it as an elder/ younger sibling relationship rather than anything else.

Yeah, I know all that! I still think it's fucked up that she treats Becky like her little henchman. That's all.

Anyone in the position of henchman would be treated as a henchmen.

"...consider my offer, not only am i giving visitation rights to the set of rambunctious twins that live on my rib cage, you get the chance to show that pastry face finn that he can’t mess with sam evans."

Love me some Santana.

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Santana's had a lot to do this season, and I'm lovin' it. She's so mega-bitchy, just because she can be.

I just love Santana.  Don't tell my fiancee.

This calls for another gif:

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just cause I can...

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I'd do body shots off of Heather Morris anyday!   :drill:

Lots of bitching on Facebook over this last one and how inappropriate it was.  Not to mention bitching that "teenagers don't all act like this." 
Erm.

The inappropriate one I can go either way on.  The show is rated PG not PG-13 after all and can push the limits at times.  Still, the important part of that rating is it means, "HEY, discuss this material with your kids!"  Funny that the ones bitching or saying they won't let their 10 year olds/ teens watch this one are the parents who I know get blitzed now and did so in high school.

I'm glad there's bitching about it, because it means the show hasn't lost its edge. Every time the story looks like an After School Special, it twists it just enough to keep away from it.

Remember kids, it's ok to be drunk all week long in school, as long as you don't get caught!

Ke-dollar sign-ha

Well, they certainly went a direction I wasn't expecting with this episode.

I think they stirred a lot of shit up. And a week before Regionals too! Whatever will happen next!

The quality of Glee episodes seems to be very variable over this current season; and my enthusiasm to watch the show has ebbed somewhat.

So I watch it in the background while doing chores, laundry and such, and that seems to work.

OH MAN! Welcome back, Rachel.

Anyone think they're gonna get shit for that uberCatholic Tea Party character?

I'm sure they are hoping they do.

Normally I fiercely avoid rightwing blogs, but the proverbial tears shed here tasted great with my morning mocha.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/03/16/kathy-griffin-glee-bashes-sarah-palin-and-christine-odonnell-depicts-

Edit: And here's looking back. The last paragraph made me laugh.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/19/kathy-griffin-glee-guest-star_n_825493.html

I think I'm getting so much catharsis out of this because like most people, I have friends who are hard right, and I had an altercation with one of them yesterday, right before the show. It made me pretty sad. Then last night felt like Ryan Murphy was right there with me.

Oh man, that is good.

I am kinda bummed Sue was just thrown in for comic relief. I was hoping she'd actually be part of the competition. But maybe the episode had enough going on already.

Not to veer too far into politics, but oh god, the comments. Echo chamber circle jerks for the win.

The weirdest comments to read in a thread like that are the ones that sound like they are making well thought out commentary. The "derp" type responses are eeasy to ignore, its the well though out ones that scare me.

Yeah, it's totally Griffin's character that will alienate the rightwing nutjobs, and not at all the hot boy-on-boy makeout session (which was sweet, and very PG, but the first time I've ever seen gay teenage male characters kiss on TV).  :drillf:

Well, it's easier to rail against an obvious stereotype and look like you're not being a homophobic asshat than rail against the squicky boy on boy action and reveal yourself to be a homophobic asshat.

Pfft! They didn't like Glee anyway!

Was anybody else expecting Sue, at any minute, to go
WTF? Totally didn't work for me. Also, the "A" plot (auditions for star player) was filler, and boring.

I was a little surprised that she didn't do that. Oh well. Sue has a little heart after all.  :oh_i_see:

I'm actually not, for all her inner bitch, Sue has always had a soft spot for her sister or anything that reminds her of her.  Her taking Becky into the Cheerios is just an example of that.

Oh Sue definitely has a soft spot. But there was no indication to viewers that her sister actually died. For all we know, she could have hired the funeral attendants as actors. Bah, I feel cheated.

That's what I mean though, I don't think she would ever use her sister like that.

I think she pretty clearly would.

Actually, it wouldn't be using her sister, in any way. It would be Sue and her sister cooking up some shennanigans together. They did it before when they "emancipated" themselves from their mother, in the wedding episode. They high-fived at the end, and read storybooks together. That's the sort of thing we were given to expect with this episode. So when that didn't happen, it fell flat.

No, she would not. Thats an area she will not cross. She may be evil, but he sister transcends this. Every villain has a reason for being a villain, he sister is a huge part of that. That does not mean she wont use her passing as more fuel however, hence running for office.

Also, hay look, the jock is gay and confused, who would have thunk it.  :oh_i_see:

I agree that she wouldn't use her sister. But she would scheme with her sister, because she's done it before.


He's a big sweetiepants now.

She's never schemed with her sister.  The event that you referred to happened many years ago when the Sue and her sister were young.  Her mother wasn't around so Sue got them both emancipated, since she was the one taking care of both of them anyway.

The event I'm referring to was this season; Sue's wedding, where she married herself, culminating with Sue and Jean high-fiving in bed curled up with a book, in an "us against the world" moment.

Finale. Spectacular. Lots of fun. Nothing too big, just a good fun episode.

Just to rez the thread: Apparently Glee just up and decided to rip off Jonathan Coulton. They took his arrangement of Baby Got Back and decided to use it. (I think it's on tomorrow?).

Apparently not only did they not bother to change it at all (having pretty much just stolen the karoake version he put out) but they even left in the line "Johnny C's in trouble" which I'd imagine is gonna be hard to explain.

Fox's apparent position is they got permission from the owner of Baby Got Back, and don't need Coulton's at all. Or even to mention it to him. Legally, derivative works ARE covered under copyright (and Coulton had permission to use Baby Got Back) and if nothing else the instrumental and backing tracks to his version are entirely different than the original.

Even if Fox's legal wonks are correct, it's still kind of a dickish thing to do. (And apparently not the first time -- they ripped off DJ Earworm too, apparently, awhile back).

Why am I in trouble?

Because when you see that round thing in your face you get sprung?

Watched a couple of s4 episodes.

This show is now broken. They need to cut the fucking cord and let the New York plot go.

JC is being such a good sport about this.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3577/3691506212_625d2eb3e0.jpg)

He does need to get his springer unsprung. Or resprung. I don't know how cyborgs work.

Although I don't watch this show much anymore there was some sad news.  Cory Monteith aka Finn Hudson was found dead in his hotel room last night.  He was 31.

He was pretty talented and had a future ahead of him even after the show.  Although from what I've read he's had a drug problem since he was 13 and was recently in rehab.  No foul play is suspected, but I assume it's drug related.

Yeah it's sad.

Yeah, fatal combo of alcohol and heroin from what I read.

Though perhaps the saddest part is that the very last thing he tweeted about before dying was SHARKNADO.

From what I read it looks like his "friends" in Canada were pretty bad for feeding his habit too.  He'd do good when he was in the states and around his gf Lea Michelle, but he'd always be right back into it when he went home to Canada.  I guess they were even trying to stop him from even going back up there.