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Title: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: UnSub on April 22, 2009, 11:21:34 PM
Link (http://www.massively.com/2009/04/22/ncsoft-adds-its-titles-to-steam/)

Probably this is part marketing move for its old titles, part distribution move for Aion and whatever comes next.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Trippy on April 22, 2009, 11:46:02 PM
:headscratch:


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Yegolev on April 23, 2009, 07:06:46 AM
Is Steam now a dumping ground for bullshit wanting to appear new enough to snag a few more dollars?


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Mrbloodworth on April 23, 2009, 08:14:08 AM
Is Steam now a dumping ground for bullshit wanting to appear new enough to snag a few more dollars?

I think its just easier, and better than rolling your own distribution system, the built in user base and potential viewers doesn't hurt ether.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Hawkbit on April 23, 2009, 08:19:56 AM
It's interesting that GW:Eye of the North isn't up there yet. 

I'm not sure why they don't take all four GW products, roll them into one and charge $29.99 for it.  I'd wager they'd get a good influx of players if they did. 


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Zzulo on April 23, 2009, 08:28:47 AM
Seems like a smart move I guess :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Trippy on April 23, 2009, 08:42:39 AM
Is Steam now a dumping ground for bullshit wanting to appear new enough to snag a few more dollars?
I think its just easier, and better than rolling your own distribution system, the built in user base and potential viewers doesn't hurt ether.
NCsoft already has it's own "digital distribution" system complete with an online store.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Mrbloodworth on April 23, 2009, 08:45:51 AM
Is Steam now a dumping ground for bullshit wanting to appear new enough to snag a few more dollars?
I think its just easier, and better than rolling your own distribution system, the built in user base and potential viewers doesn't hurt ether.
NCsoft already has it's own "digital distribution" system complete with an online store.


Yeah, but does it pop up ads to users that do not already own software from them? (I was guessing you were talking about the launcher)


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: UnSub on April 23, 2009, 09:09:38 AM
I see it as a push towards players who download games, but might not necessarily be playing a MMO.

It also allows a greater push when Aion launches than just from box copies and the NCsoft store.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Draegan on April 23, 2009, 09:58:03 AM
It also allows a greater push when Aion launches than just from box copies and the NCsoft store.

My guess as well.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: rattran on April 23, 2009, 10:21:09 AM
It's interesting that GW:Eye of the North isn't up there yet. 

I'm not sure why they don't take all four GW products, roll them into one and charge $29.99 for it.  I'd wager they'd get a good influx of players if they did. 
Since there's no ongoing sub for GW, isn't the point to sell boxes/copies and not just influx players? I can see them dropping the first one to a tempting price point (or a Steam weekend sale) of ~$10 to try to sell the others.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: shiznitz on April 23, 2009, 11:14:58 AM
It's interesting that GW:Eye of the North isn't up there yet. 

I'm not sure why they don't take all four GW products, roll them into one and charge $29.99 for it.  I'd wager they'd get a good influx of players if they did. 
Since there's no ongoing sub for GW, isn't the point to sell boxes/copies and not just influx players? I can see them dropping the first one to a tempting price point (or a Steam weekend sale) of ~$10 to try to sell the others.

I don't know if more expansions are planned, but the only people who would buy an expansion are those already playing so it always helps to boost the active players. I agree it makes more sense to sell one expansion cheap and then full price the rest.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: DLRiley on April 23, 2009, 11:23:13 AM
Their not making any new expansions, all hands on deck for guild wars 2 though they will continue to support guild wars 1.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Malakili on April 23, 2009, 12:30:55 PM
It's interesting that GW:Eye of the North isn't up there yet. 

I'm not sure why they don't take all four GW products, roll them into one and charge $29.99 for it.  I'd wager they'd get a good influx of players if they did. 

I'd buy it.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Draegan on April 23, 2009, 12:52:22 PM
So would I.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Merusk on April 23, 2009, 01:35:48 PM
Not me! They'd want $50 or $60 for it, like the trilogy pack.  No thx, guise. I'm not in to paying full price for your 5 year old game, thx.  Next time try a different pricing strat.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Tale on April 23, 2009, 01:40:30 PM
/mourn Tabula Rasa. This would have given it life.

The primary audience of Steam is people co-ordinated enough to play FPS games, as opposed to MMOG players who can't strafe.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Zzulo on April 23, 2009, 03:13:57 PM
Tabula rasa was not an fps game :heartbreak:


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Tannhauser on April 23, 2009, 03:34:33 PM
How many weeks does it take to download FFXI?


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Morfiend on April 23, 2009, 03:58:19 PM
Tabula rasa was not an fps game :heartbreak:
It was if you used the shotgun.

I :heart: the TR shotgun play.



Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Kageru on April 23, 2009, 04:48:12 PM

They have guild a wars trilogy (50$ aus, so about 25$ US I guess) which I believe is all 3 of the original releases but not eye of the north.

I think it's great news. NCsoft have a perfectly usable on-line store which I recently bought CoH from. However having your products on a much larger store with a lot more exposure cannot hurt. And watching steam move towards gaining critical mass brings forward the point at which I can tell console-centric EB to push off, filling me with eager anticipation.



Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: UnSub on April 23, 2009, 06:23:33 PM
I don't know how easy it is to get on Steam for someone like NCsoft, but it also counters moves by SOE and CCP in this area.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: schild on April 23, 2009, 06:26:06 PM
I don't know how easy it is to get on Steam for someone like NCsoft, but it also counters moves by SOE and CCP in this area.
Not really, it seems fairly obvious all MMOGs should be on Steam, it's just a matter of when they get there. It's a no brainer. Most companies just don't want to give Valve a piece of that particular boxsale pie. Which is one of the reasons to digitally distribute yourself.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Tale on April 23, 2009, 09:30:37 PM
Tabula rasa was not an fps game :heartbreak:

It was. It's become apparent to me that the fantasy MMORPG crowd thought that crouching on the spot and aiming a rifle with tab was the extent of the gameplay.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Draegan on April 24, 2009, 07:41:29 AM
Apparently GW has sold 6 Million Units to date.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: UnSub on April 25, 2009, 06:41:25 AM
For quite a while there GW was what kept NCsoft US in the money. Every new expansion saw the cash just roll in.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Ghambit on April 25, 2009, 07:53:54 AM
I don't know how easy it is to get on Steam for someone like NCsoft, but it also counters moves by SOE and CCP in this area.
Not really, it seems fairly obvious all MMOGs should be on Steam, it's just a matter of when they get there. It's a no brainer. Most companies just don't want to give Valve a piece of that particular boxsale pie. Which is one of the reasons to digitally distribute yourself.

THIS.

I mean, how many great ideas have we already seen fail due to dealings with paper pubbies?  If they'd gotten it right from the get-go (which was digital distro. for MMOs from day 1) then the genre wouldnt be so much like a heaping pile.
What is Valves normal "take" per purchase anyways?  Cant be as much as retail brick-n-mortar publishing, especially after you deduct server costs.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: DLRiley on April 27, 2009, 05:20:34 AM
Apparently GW has sold 6 Million Units to date.

Epic Win.  :drill:


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Lantyssa on April 27, 2009, 09:35:09 AM
Since I haven't seen any responses to it to, y'all should know Guild Wars is offering a free storage pane for a limited time.

See my thread (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=16784.0) or visit the GW site for details.  I'm not sure how long they'll be offering it, but more storage is good.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Hindenburg on April 27, 2009, 09:54:17 AM
Doesn't work with a trial account :(


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Lantyssa on April 27, 2009, 01:01:16 PM
So get a real one. :-P


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Hindenburg on April 27, 2009, 01:13:11 PM
Even with TF2 being gifted to me, buying LotrO and Conan in the same semester is already too much. Gimme plz? We'll be, like, BFF.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Lantyssa on April 27, 2009, 02:37:09 PM
Are you encouraging me to give it to you or to make sure you never get it? ;D

Sorry, I'm poor.  And selfish.  And don't believe in gifts (unless intended for me, of course).


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Grimwell on April 27, 2009, 05:17:34 PM
Any time you can get your product in front of new eyes, it's a good thing. Retail, publisher owned digital outlet, and places like Steam are not conflict, they are opportunity. Each outlet has customers the others really don't get on a regular basis, and sharing the proceeds from a sale is better than not having the sale.

I worked retail, I know there is an audience for it -- but there is a growing audience for digital and sites like Steam have customers that may not find my companies games on their own. Plus, the convenience for existing Steam users to get the download started on their Steam ID is a motivator.

I know, I'm not shining new light on things here that are revelations; but it's the simple winning answer for why NCSoft is doing this: It's smart business.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: damijin on April 29, 2009, 02:07:51 AM
Dont wanna make a new thread for this so I'll put it in here.

Lineage 2 is reactivating all accounts for 2 weeks to celebrate it's 5th year in NA.

They also released their... I dunno... 8th? free expansion yesterday. The game has changed a lot in 5 years, but I guess that's a given.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: FatuousTwat on April 29, 2009, 02:49:59 AM
Fuckers didn't even send me an email... See if I redownload your game and play for 20 minutes before uninstalling it.


Title: Re: NCsoft puts its MMOs on Steam
Post by: Draegan on April 29, 2009, 06:02:42 AM
I lasted 30 minutes on a free L2 shard where the exp was ramped up by like 100 or 1000 or something.  It was still boring.  I hate click to move.