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So what are yall doing while you are waiting for the next content patch? Are you playing much at all? I find that I'm logging in about 2-3 nights a week less than I did when I had raids to do, but I've found some fun ways to spend my time.

1 - Old skool reps I missed - With the changes to rep gains, they aren't as bad as they used to be, so I've been doing Cenarion Circle, Netherwing, Sporeggar, the Consortium, Timbermaw, etc.

2 - Wintergrasp - I usually only like the assaults because they are fasters and the Horde can't cheat by driving through walls.

3 - AH farming - Dolla bill yall!

I didn't blitz through all of the content as fast as possible, so I've still not seen all of Naxx yet (haven't done Military or all of Construct yet).  I'm working on my Loremaster achievement for 2 different characters, finishing up the remaining Northrend quests to get cash for epic flying mounts, and have 2 characters sitting in the 60's-70's range to work up to 80 (already have 2 80's).

I still log in all the time and raid my new guild, which is fun since we all like each other and get along.  Hardly bored yet, although if you were a 1-character hardcore person since the release of the expansion, I could see why you would be.  One of my friends was working on his last of the heroic raid achievements for people not dying and timing, etc (those goofy ones that say "I've got good gear and know the fights too well").

Wintergrasp, plowing through quests in zones I skipped for cash, running newbs through instances, and some battlegrounds. Not as much of the last one lately since I'm waiting for the patch to buy gear, and since I'm kinda tired of constant Alliance suckery for the moment.

Naxx 25, Timbermaw Rep and working on "Chef" for my main. I'm also slowly levelling up a shaman alt, 73 now and rising.

I'm online a lot less in the past month than in the preceding months.

Heroics and leveling my mage mostly.

Uff. If I could find out what administration fuck-up is blocking the channels between CC company and Blizzard's Billing I'd be well into my assault on Sha'tari Skyguard (and possibly Netherwing) reputations. Beyond hitting 80 with my Shadowpriest and skilling up fishing, those are my main goals currently.

Well I came to the WOTLK party 3 months late because of my back, so I'm still levelling. Levelling a shaman & paladin combo, in 40-60 min bursts. Roughly 8-12 hours per level, just hit 74 the other day, it's going to keep me busy for a while yet :p

Grinding all sorts of reps (Netherwing, Darkspear Trolls) and old dungeons (ZG, Strath) for mounts to get the Albino Drake. I'm probably not going for the dragonhawk afterwards, plus 3.1 should be out by the time I hit 50.

I just got the last piece of Valorous plate for my holy pally, and am doing a little bit of rep grind for Hodir. I've got one more Naxx 25 scheduled for tonight, then I'm thinking about taking a break from raiding until 3.1.

We only just killed Malygos for the 2nd time, so the timing is pretty perfect I think for us.

My shaman just hit 80 last week.  Doing heroics and finishing off quests with him.

Still can't find a reliable Naxx group during the times I can play.

I'll also like be dropping engineering for another profession like JCing or inscription.  Still haven't decided what yet.

Working on getting my death knight's mining and skinning to 300.  Then back to the warlock for more leveling.

I've just been logging in to raid, then wandering off. Because of classes overlapping so aggressively now, plus the dual speccing to come, (both of which I MOSTLY approve of, mind you), I have way less interest in leveling all my alts than I did in TBC. I SHOULD level my priest so I have a level 80 healer I actually enjoy healing with, but I haven't really felt like it. We have enough healers and not so many tanks, so there's not much reason for me to play anything besides my DK anyway. :P

I mostly just log in to raid or say hi, do a WG if it's up.

Our guild has not maxed raiding, so still have that to do.  Otherwise, alts.  I'm on my sixth 80.

On Deck:
- PvP
- Achievement Farming

When spread across 10 characters, I have plenty to do.  That said, I have been slowing down a bit.  I'm probably to 1/2 my weekly hours playing, but I think that has more to do with Spring and all that comes with it.

Trying to get my Druid up to a reasonable level to do stuff with others, while attempting to not play alts.  At 42 since starting at the begining of February.  I'm so slow.

I am not logging on a whole ton except to raid recently myself, partly because I'm SAVING MYSELF for the Argent Tournament daily madness.

I like to herd cats in WG, were getting pretty good at defending it. I finished my CC rep and my AD rep the other day as well. But like Ing said, we just got Maly down for the second time, so we are pretty much 'on pace' as far as content is being delivered. Just starting to fool with some of the Naxx achievements.

Just plugging away at leveling.  My Druid should hit 79 tonight or tomorrow.  I could have hit 80 by now but I've been distracted by my DK (72 now) and a new horde character I made recently since I want to see some things from the dirty barbarian side.  I really should get one of the more active BG guildies to take me under their wing and do some BG stuff.  I've been wanting to take a look at some of them but I've been intimidated by the whole 'If you don't have pvp/resilience gear you'll insta-die!!11!1' I read about.  Dieing doesn't bother me but not even being able to put up a fight (supposedly) doesn't sound like fun.  (Note: I PvPed all the time in DAoC but that was a much, much less gear dependent game.)

My guild has started doing alt naxx runs to pass the time so I've been seeing what it's like to dps and tank as well as heal in there.  We're also working on ToS with drakes up as we never tried that before (we went straight from no drake 10-man to no drake 25-man once we realised we could do it with 10 people).

I also finally got round to levelling my shaman from level 60.  I got the levels "gifted" from the recruit a friend scheme ages ago and so my gear was awful to start with, but a few bind-to-account items later and I'm doing great.  In fact I feel just as powerful as when I levelled my ret paladin pre-nerf.  Water shield really is infinite mana and it's a lot of fun to run around three shotting everything in sight while never having to drink.

Mostly, I'm levelling alts.  I have this persistent delusion that levelling a healer will get me into a raiding guild, so I'm trying to get my priest moving, but since he's only level 25, it's damn painful to play as him (he's in the barrens at the moment, so just logging in and seeing the crossroads for the millionth time just sucks my will to play).  My rogue at 62 is the character I want to like, but seems like he's getting weaker with every level.  My warlock, on the other hand, is insanely powerful, and he's got a playstyle which matches mine, mostly (load up an enemy with DOTs, tab out to read for a bit, tab back in, loot, and repeat).

My main is mostly just doing Wintergrasp, farming materials, and trying to get achievements (right now working on the "400 unarmed skill" one, that last point is a bitch to get).

Decided I am never going to even try to get any Hodir rep. The Wintergrasp shoulder enchant is almost as good for my needs, and that quest line to open up their dailies is some tedious shit full of typical gimmicky vehicle crap. Turning into something weird to finish a quest is one thing. Living an entire double life as a giant blue viking bitch for who knows how long, just so I can open up some quests to START grinding, is another.

Rep grinding is bullshit in general. I'm exalted with exactly one post-vanilla faction, Valiance Expedition, and that's essentially by accident.

Did this on my priest, actually got all my weapon skills maxed this way. You want to go beat up on Azaloth (http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=21506) in SMV. He's banished, but at 80 you can sit under him and not aggro anything.  Just start autoattacking and go afk, because you're in combat the game won't kick you like it usually would after you've been afk for a while. Doing this I got all my weapon skills maxed out in an afternoon while I pottered around doing stuff in the home.

Blizzard provided me with something to do by nerfing the everloving shit out of my character. Reroll.

Unfortunately I've won that raid too many times while playing WoW. I rerolled to RL.

Hm.. what did you play, Az, I forget.  Lock wasn't it, what before that?

I've got enough gold to keep me going for a while, so no need for the daily grind.  Worked a bit on Loremaster but decided I'd rather fish in game or do something more productive offline for a bit.  When I'm on I do try and knock out achievements on old dungeons or raids. Got ZG a few weeks ago, but finding a non-retard group to even attempt BWL has been a chore as too many folks think they can just brute force it. Shadowflame does 20k damage, that'll kill even a well-equipped L80 priest.  :awesome_for_real:

If you read the last couple of comments on the link you provided, it looks like he doesn't provide skill ups anymore.

I think they quietly nerfed the ability to get skill ups from banished targets. Someone in my guild suggested I try a banished demon (first boss in Shadow Vaults) when I bitched about my pole arm skill after getting a new weapon. I went there and tried it and could not get 1 skill up after about 5 min of auto attack, so I packed it in and forgot about it. My guild mate swears it worked for him so all I can figure is it got nerfed and as your demon is banished too they may have done it to all banished mobs.

Ret Paladin.

Dead last on DPS meters in 3.1 by a country mile, mana regen nerfed, utility given to everyone else, and recoil from SoB/M still making us a burden on healers in hard fights.

I got angry about it for a while. Then I wondered why the hell I was paying if I was so dissatisfied.

Ah damn, that sucks.

Elucidate? The forums keep telling me ret DPS is going up, going down, staying the same, going down but getting more burst, blah blah blah. I also heard that JotW was getting un-nerfed back up to 25% mana. Basically it's retarded as ever over there and the signal to noise ratio too high for me to make heads or tails.

Our ret pallies do ok on the meters. At least in 10s, wearing 10 man gear, class doesn't really matter all that much. Gear and brain activity level seem to matter a lot more.

My understanding is that they fixed the really low ret dps from early in 3.1 (or so EJ tells me.)

I don't PVE beyond dailies and the odd heroic, so I suppose it's largely moot to me anyway.

Here's what's happening if your Rets are topping your meters:

The rest of your DPS is bad.

This is VERY ESPECIALLY TRUE in 3.1, where Ret gets none of those neat Undead bonuses.

But, yeah. Math (an incredible amount of WWS reports) proves it, and so does my experience. Bad groups and mediocre guilds, I was on top. Actual good guilds where people know what the fuck they're doing, you'll be at the bottom.

Basically, Rets have a DPS ceiling several thousand below the rest of the classes. Much math involved. Not interested in finding it and pasting.

Here's the jist of the nerfery:

-GC quoted "We want Ret DPS to stay where it is in Naxx". Players expect buffs, being that Ret loses Undead Glyph, Crusade, Exorcism and HW in Ulduar (before nerfs). Azaroth states publicly to said players that they're putting their faith in the wrong people, that no buffs will likely come, and if they do they won't be enough. Argument ensues where many, many Paladins argue vehemently that Blizzard loves them and will take care of them.

-Answer? Four DPS talents/abilities replaced with one. Exorcism. Oddly enough, a burst talent usable in PvP but hardly adding much sustained DPS (more buttons to press between GCDs, 15 second CD, more mana use when we're already mana starved in a lot of instances, etc)- exactly what they said they weren't going to do, and adding more "burstanewb" utility to the spec that's getting us QQed all over and nerfed to shit in the first place.

-This news, equaling a fair net drop in DPS, is shortly thereafter followed by many little stealthy math nerfs, equaling out to being nerfed about as hard as Fury with the 10% Titan's Grip nerf. Just strategically placed, oddly enough, to harm sustained DPS. Again, exactly what they said they were not going to do.

-Spiritual Attunement douched, JoTW to 15%. Reports of severe mana starvation on PTR. Buffed to 25%. Results unknown, I've been gone.

-Blizzard oversees WWS tests on PTR against a dummy Patchwerk. Ret falling 15-20% below second last place hybrids (on an UNDEAD MOB). Silence from Blizzard.

-Awful Ret performance and representation in Arena (less than 2%) actually acknowledged. GC states publicly that Crusader Strike may receive a silence.

-Silence instead given to Arms Warriors. Who may also now break Paladin bubbles.

-Deciding that Ret needs less PvP viability instead, burst of judgements is heavily nerfed. (I haven't kept up on this one since I've quit. Only post I've read claims that SoB crits around 4.5k now, whereas a good crit for me when I played was 11.5k... I'd say I can't imagine the nerf being that insane, but this is Blizzard so I'm not entirely sure).

-Rets exclaim WTF? Other players happy, Ret reduced to LOLret where it belongs. Azaroth stops paying people to put cock in ass, spams F13.

Ah, Ret Pally.. so sorry.  :heartbreak:

The problem with going by Damage Meters is often folks don't have them set to look at fight-by-fight and look at total damage-dealt.  That's meaningless since it often includes all trash packs, and a good AOE'er can get high on meters then suck on boss fights and still come out in the top 5 at the end. (I see this on bad mages and ret pallies both.)  Plus, Az is talking about 3.1, the upcoming patch.  Wherever your ret pallies are right now, they'll be lower after the patch when their undead tools won't work on the Uldar mobs, not to repeat all the stuff Az just brought-up.

Or, you know, it is a 10 man raid in 10 man gear like I said, where nobody has the full suite of buffs that you see in 25s, nobody is near their theoretical dps caps, etc. And I didn't say they were topping them... but ok. (And we use WWS, I'm not talking about overall total meters, those are near-useless.)

EDIT: And exorcism is going to work on everything after the patch. And the EJ ret pally thread says their dps has been competitive in Ulduar in later builds. But ok sure the sky is falling.

Here, perhaps this will cheer people up: http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t37843-retribution_paladin_thread_wrath_3_0_a/p137/#post1185685

I feel very defensive because you said my Ret pallies were bad, but did not read your post.

Also, a couple people on EJ theorizing that Ret DPS will be okay does not replace hard WWS data from PTR DPS tests, or make up for the fact that GC said that Ret DPS was very low but would not be fixed for 3.1.

But ok sure, I'll make a jerkass post.

Righto. I will just file this one in the very large "people can't be objective about their own class" file and never speak of it again.  :uhrr:

Because being shown constantly at the bottom of WWS tests and having GC publicly state that Ret DPS is very low on PTR means my DPS is the tops. When they follow that up by nerfing the spec more, I should rejoice.

If not, I'll have some guy on F13 who knows nothing about the class try to speak down to me.







 :oh_i_see:

I still love my guild's Ret Paladin because he's a good player.

As a Ret player since 2004 I feel ya. I saw the writing on the wall and cancelled in February.

The bubble is impossible to balance for PVP, at least by Blizzard's standards, which are "what do the Hardcore pro players think?" Kalgan himself admitted as such in a forum post a year or so ago. The last thing competitive PVP players want to deal with is a character who can both kill you and go immune to everything for 12 seconds. That's not "skill", so lolret is forever relegated to the 1800-2000's, if you're lucky/good.

Blizzards on the 'nerf hybrids' part of the class balance cycle, that's all. Retadins lose DPS, DKs get their "Oh shit!" tanking buttons nerfed (again), etc etc. Meanwhile warrior DPS gets buffed. Expect the next season of arena to be dominated by warrior/druid teams (again).

Dear ret pallies - welcome back to the fold that is Shaman.

See what Blizzard did is they took you to the mountain, showed you all that is wonderful and then dropped you back into hell where us hybrids belong (druids excluded - seriously, what did druids perform on the devs to get so much love).

It's kind of like pulling wings off flies - the devs love torturing us.

I find it hard to believe that the two worst classes on release (warlocks and hunters) got sorted out right through to WotLK (although hunter seems to be a bit meh and lock is great as SL/SL/FG but not much else) whereas the two that were considered to be OP on release (because of frostshock and bubble lolz) are still never addressed properly and are more likely to cop a reactive nerf than a decent set of balanced buffs.

It's sad that what I do is log into WoW on EVE downtime, see if anything is happening, realise I'm as geared as can be (Naxx 25 5 piece set plus 25/10/badge gear) and log out again. I cant even be stuffed getting my elemental set to go with my enhance set because 90% of it dropped in naxx 10 before I got my full enhance set :D I refuse to grind achievements - it's bad enough my fishing is 421 :D

Wow is stale and stagnant and needs a kick in the butt

Oh, to be young and oblivious to the plight of others again...

I am going to need a bigger file.

You will never recapture that first-time feeling.

Not so young by a long shot and if you can explain how Druids are the worst of the hybrids I'd be interested.

BTW - I ran a druid alt to 70 (T4 tank/feral dps geared only though) in BC. It was infinitely more fun than my then 70 Shaman or (very casual) Pally and certainly more versatile. Sure there's some changes happening to druids, sure they reduce the abilities they once had, but they were top of the hybrids in BC and are still strong in WotLK to date.

If the devs had put the same effort into Shaman and to a lesser extent Paladins, those classes wouldn't be in as bad a state.

Having said that, the rubbish that Blizzard tosses out that hybrids shouldn't be as powerful as other classes is crap. All 3 hybrid classes tend to have to make major investments in one tree and lose viability in the others as they spec up. They should be rewarded for that.

Don't get me wrong, I love the burst my shaman can put out and they are certainly better than they were in vanilla, but the class could do with having 1/10th of the effort that druids have had put into them from BC onwards.

They stopped tossing that out when WOTLK was running up to release.  In fact, there was tons of bitching from the pure classes that the hybrids were so strong, and Blizz stated flat-out that there was no reason the Hybrids shouldn't be competitive when they spec into their respective healing/ tanking/ dps trees.  Now, granted, actions speak louder than words, but that philosophy of design is supposed to have been abandoned.   

ENH shaman do pretty damn well once geared out, but the Elem and Resto trees seem to be in the shitter atm.

Man, I have gotten the exact opposite impression from the shamans I know, that ENH sucks but the other two trees are good. Elemental in particular is like the forgotten-but-secretly-awesome tree, I've seen them put up some hilariously good numbers in 25's (we don't really have an elemental shaman in our 10 mans, Ingmar is the only one who plays one in our guild and he's usually tanking).

Are? They arguably were. You said "did".
Pre-AQ it was either resto or lolshadowcraft. PVP they made.... good flag runners, and that was it.

I fixed the parts you did not emphasize enough :D

So I was looking at this thread, and thinking about how well I was able to derail and kill some nascent religion-fight threads on the politics forum by posting pictures of Buddha. With that in mind, if you guys don't lay off this WoW General Forum level of "my class sucks/sucked more than yours baaaww" crap, I'm going to have no choice but to start posting screenshots of UO roleplayer events.

Vigilante justice FTW.

No, no you're not.

And for the record, I love both of my classes.  Elemental shaman and unholy DK.  I'm never going to get the level where some of the gripe worthy contentions come to light.  Every bad DPSer I've encountered is just a bad or under geared player.

So we agree that I would not have a choice? Because I have some lovely pictures of this wedding held in the hedge maze...  :awesome_for_real:

/snark


This. One of the benefits of not bothering with Arena and raiding is that I just don't have to give a shit about this sort of thing. My ret paladin feels pretty awesome, and I'm stoked about JotW getting set back to 25%. And they're putting a bunch of the formerly Arena-only stuff on honor vendors, so I will finally be able to replace the last of my savage saronite set. With PURPLES. Oh man I will kick so much ass in AV and heroics!!1!

Being a lolnewbcasualbad is the most fun I've ever had in WoW. I can do whatever bullshit amuses me, get gear upgrades from time to time, and walk around with the delusion that everything is awesome and just getting awesomer.

FYI, they officially changed their tune again a couple months ago. Now it's "Hybrid DPS will be designed to do less than 'Pure' classes". At some point it was implied that the difference would be 5%. When it turned out that the gap was pretty much WAY more than that in all cases, GC said they changed their mind about that too.


I could go on for an hour about bubble alone, let alone everything else about the class and what's been done to it since '04.

Point is that when Ret was crazyamazing before WOTLK, I leveled one specifically because I always WANTED (read: tried) to play a Pally, and right at that point in time it was both fun and super easy to level. I knew very well that it'd be nerfed into oblivion before too long based entirely on the history of the way the class has been handled, but didn't plan to play long enough for that to matter.

Seal of Blood/Seal of the Martyr: The damage done by these two seals has been increased but the damage done by their judgements decreased. The balance is now roughly 60% from either seal and 40% from a judgement on total damage done. The total damage done should be roughly the same.Please note that the 3.0.9 tooltips had incorrect values for the damage done, but the tooltips should be much more accurate in 3.1.0.

Exorcism: Now can be used on any target and has a 100% chance to be a critical strike when used on Undead and Demons.

Divine Storm: Damage increased.

Fanaticism reduced to 3 ranks for 6/12/18% bonus and 10/20/30% threat reduction.

Righteous Vengeance reduced to 3 ranks for 10/20/30%. The damage done by this talent no longer receives modifications from effects that increase or decrease damage done by a percentage. Now triggered by Crusader Strike as well.

Sanctified Seals: Renamed Sanctity of Battle. Now also increases damage done by Exorcism and Crusader Strike by 5/10/15%.

Stop crying if you're not willing to read notes.  Your "I don't care anymore, I'm just going to whine about it" act is fucking stupid.


No silence has been added as of last patch note revision.  Ret performance in arenas is a stupid fucking argument, particularly when you segue into how it's unfair that arms warriors are getting hypothetical ret toys that, incidentally, don't exist and cannot be tracked back to a blue post using MMO Champion's wonderful little utility.

You effectively just (partially) repeated what I've been saying with those patch notes.

Here's what you just posted:

Judgement burst nerfed heavily. Exorcism available on all targets. Bunch of math nerfs (RV, Fanaticism, etc). CS buffed.

Is that not exactly what I've been saying? Maybe you're pointing toward the fact that Crusader Strike got a 5/10/15% damage buff.

Do you know what Crusader Strike is?

Generally, it accounts for around 5% of my DPS. I know math is hard, but try to figure that one out.

And why are you swearing at me about Ret arena performance? It was great, six months ago. It is now at under 2% representation. Perhaps you're getting it mixed up with Holy, which is very popular and dominant in arena. I don't know.

Frankly, I don't care. Arguing about WoW with forum troglodytes such as yourself after I've quit is well below chewing fucking glass and voluntary anal penetration on my list of priorities. You either need to read the posts you're attacking and proceed to not waste my fucking time, or alternatively you should look into sitting down in front of a warm, steaming bowl of shut the cunt up.

And just for you, I spent my own time digging up shit that you (Who the fuck are you again?) decided to randomly attack me about. So here:


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Now go have a coke and a smile.

I have been working on Classic reputations, halfway to exalted with the Argent Dawn and no closer to obtaining the Baron's mount.

1. So what?  They should just buff Judgment until your raid DPS is fine and you can one-shot heroic trash?
2. The math nerfs only mean anything if you were expected to spend the same amount of points on less.
3. Exorcism, clearly this is something to complain about.

Here's a WWS. (http://wowwebstats.com/iiqlbtkurswiu?s=297279-325558&a=x33581e)

This guy loses 7% of his Judgment damage, he can gain 2% overall damage from crusade with those points.  Not factoring RV (because that would require an assumption for crit %, though Crusade also scales RV) you are gaining damage by losing points in fanaticism and speccing Crusade.  RV changes are partially a bug fix, warriors are getting the same.  The other aspect of RV is the value : point increase, in addition to an increase in the damage of the abilities that trigger it, and the addition of another triggering ability.


In case you haven't noticed, arenas are a fucking joke.  You are not the only sad broken person, fuck off with the angst.


Not a silence, not even directly comparable.  There are a number of effects which are completely undiminished (CC, Invulnerability Effects), channeled and DoT effects and many buffs/procs will be undiminished if casted at appropriate times unless Blizzard drastically modifies spell damage behaviour (because the damage done is calculated as the cast begins and is not updated).

Seriously guys, WTF are yall talking about here? Pally shit? This was a thread about how you spend your time in WoW waiting for the expansion. It's not about "WAHHHHH MY CLASS IS GETTING NERFED."

There's about a billion threads that have already done that. Guess what? Nobody but your class gives a shit.

Now, back on topic, I've logged in once in about 10 days, and I'm not missing the game at all right now. Even just doing dailies was getting to be more ho-hum than playing Mount and Blade. So I've shifted mostly to that while I wait. I have been keeping my eye on the Ulduar developments and boss posts, but they aren't exactly as informative as I'd like without some hands-on experience in the PTR. I'm unlikely to give that a shot though because I don't really enjoy running raids I'm going to run a ton more and getting nothing out of it.

It does worry me about Blizzard's strategy with their content though. If they have extended periods of time where a larger and larger percentage of the playerbase has completed the content with nothing on the horizon, it will eventually grind on people enough to quit the game. I thought about it during this iteration, but I figured 3 weeks of waiting wasn't that big of a deal. However, if their cycle goes just as slow, the waits could get up to 3 months (which would mean game over).

I think this is why Blizzard has added the hard modes for boss fights and decided that these modes should grant unique titles, gear and occasionally mounts.

Also, I am excited about the new daily quest hub.  My character just dinged exalted with the Argent Dawn, so now it has the swanky Argent Champion title. Started to look in to grinding Cenarion Circle rep, but that looks a bit too painful for me right now.

CC rep is actually shockingly easy to get. I made over 5k an hour just killing the cultists and turning stacks of 10 sheets at a time to the rep dude for like 500 a pop. Sheets drop all the time and you get 10 rep per kill. Also, you can solo the wandering prophet now, and he carries 7-10 sheets a kill.

Dude... shut up.

Argent Champion on a Death Knight is unintentionally hilarious.  It's tied for my favorite title with Elder.


True, unless there's some other 80s out there farming rep at the same time.  Then it gets to be a pain in the ass as you wait for respawns at every camp.  :cry:  That's the main reason I reverted to grinding only factions you can earn in dungeons or via plentiful noob quests for the time being.

Is AQ still the best way to farm Brood Rep to Neutral? I'm very close to having every cooking recipe except the chops, so I might have a pop at that if I could get my rep up.

Somehow I managed to get the recipes without either Chops or Dig Rat Stew.  (I'm alliance - maybe that matters?).  Dig Rat Stew will be available to alliance in 3.1.  Did you get the Goldthorn Tea recipe again in RFD?  There was some bug that made it drop from people's recipe books after they learned it.

Ah this isn't about the achievement for 160 recipes, I just want all of them.

I have to Echo the "CC Rep went way faster then I thought" bit. My Moonkin can farm like a mother fucker though.  :why_so_serious:

I found AD rep to be quick. I have no idea how many times I ran through that fucking dungeon, but I'd say it generally only took an average of 12-15 minutes each time on my paladin. Undead abilities and AOE in the rotation FTW. Plus I used to run it constantly for the tier 0.5 quest back in the day, so that might have helped (or hindered, since I couldn't stomach more than a few runs at a time).

The biggest thing was the hand-in quests, though. If you're bored and doing the Argent Champion title, seriously go to the AH and put together 30 of the following:

Savage Frond
Dark Iron Scraps
Core of Elements
Crypt Fiend Parts
Bone Fragments

The last two can be collected pretty easily while running UD Strat, however. A very helpful 1000 rep for each quest, though.

My issue with AD rep was bag space. I could fill my bags up so fast in Strath. With CC rep, the vendors were just a small detour.

Yeah, the run back to town was pretty awful. Another reason why I rarely did more than a few runs in a row I suppose.

Death Knights are like cheating there.   Deathgate -> Fly to LHC -> run back to instance. 

Death Knights are like cheating anywhere.

Which is why Argent Dawn was the second faction my DK was exalted with.  :grin:

Just 7-manned Magtheridon, earned a cool 80g each for 15mins work. He would be easily 4 or 5-mannable with the right class-types.

If anyone is interested in trying you need:

1) Tank with good AoE threat
2) DPS Who can interrupt
3) Second DPS/Offtank
4) Healer (Good AoE healing is helpful)
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5) Extra DPS Or whatever.

On the trash, make sure your healers don't dispel/cleanse UA off players, dispelling/cleansing SW:P is worth it though. Heal through the shadow bolt volleys, although level 80 HP makes this easy.

On Magtheridon, have your tank aggro a channeler and then they tank all the channelers and infernals that spawn. Have your offtank pull channelers one-by-one away from the MT and kill them 35yards away. Your interrupters must interrupt Dark Mending as this heals the channeler to full. Dark mending can also be cast on others, hence you move the add to be killed 35 yards away, out of range. You should have no problem getting 3 of the channelers down before Magtheridon unbanishes. Your MT should be geared enough to tank the remaining channelers and Maggy (not really that big a deal). Keep killing the channelers until all 5 are dead, then nuke maggy and loot. He drops 500g, 3 T4 Chest tokens, 3 random epics, a bad of gems, his head (quest item) and a 20-slot bag. Not a bad haul for not much work.

From a healer point of view, blast nova is very weak now and easily healed through. Shadow Prot/Resist Aura and Fire Resist Aura/Totem help mitigate a lot of the damage. So long as folks avoid the cleave and the DPS and offtanks keep the infernals off the healer, everything is very easy. The damage on the tank is almost nonexistant.

so you dont even bother using the cubes?  Just burn him down?  I thought blast nova stacked or increased in damage over time or something like that.

Just burn him down; Blast Nova is 2.4K damage every 2 seconds, which is trivial at level 80.

buy a game card?

My portable mailbox is very nice to have, although I hardly ever use it.  The eight hour cooldown (down from 24 hours) is nice as well.

My Paladin just has the scrap bot, no mail hax for me :(

So, now I fish in Dalaran while waiting for raids.

Up to 225 fishing already!

If you fished in Wintergrasp, you'd have some stacks of useful fish by now.

My warlock (fishing level now 30) fished up a glacial salmon and a nettlefish in a few minutes (as well as a bunch of junk), and gained 9 skill points.

I did all of the coin achievements in Dalaran, started doing the fishing dailies, did the ZG achievement and then the SSC achievement.

So much more to do now in order to get the Salty title.