f13.net

http://www.f13.net/subscribe/ <-- Have at ye!

So guys. It looks like Paypal allows you to make a subscription button at any value. I'm thinking of making one for $5 a month that grants you absolutely nothing except the feeling that you are supporting something. We would make no guarantees or anything of that sort and you would purely be doing this out of your own self-interest. I mean, what's $5? Is anyone interested in this?

Edit: As a point of reference, if 20 people subscribed, the server would be paid for for a year. If 50 people subscribed, I'd think about doing game raffles or something among subscribers. If 100 people subscribed, I'd be able to get a second server as a game server in addition to the previous stuff. If a thousand people subscribed, I'm not gonna lie, I'd make this full time work and make it serious business. But that's not gonna happen. Once again, we offer nothing right now.

Edit 2: We still need a lot more subs. Also, feel free to donate regularly.

I am COMPLETELY aware this is insane. So there's no need to go that route on it. But if it works, it works and I can stop worrying about money when the renewals come around.

Edit: If you're wondering, you can blame my cold, unfeeling heart and this whole idea on this thread (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=16615.0).

Edit 2: Also, a few people offered to pay it, that's the other reason this exists. It's not that it seemed like a good idea (because it seemed insane), it just seemed like an IDEA. So I'm throwing it out there.

Edit 3: Since someone asked - no, this would not offer any sort of protection from bans or give you a license to be a jackass. This is simply a good will thing. With enough people involved it would simply take some weight off my shoulders each year, and god willing should everything turn out OK on my end with flash/iphone/android dev - etc, I could remove all the donation stuff and just do this purely as a hobby where the cost doesn't matter. Of course, not everything in life is guaranteed, and this is just subsidy. It is, quite literally, nothing for something - nothing other than insuring the future of f13.

I fully support giving schild $5 and receiving nothing but the warm feeling of goodwill in return.

You have warmed the parts of my heart that are still discernible in my graveyard-like chest cavity.

Is there any advantage for you over getting paid per year?

Because if there is, I might consider it.

Yes, asking people for $60 straight up is too much but $5 a month? What's $5 a month?!

Also, subscriptions help me keep better books (lol). Or rather, it guarantees X amount from X people over X amount of time. Thus making things just.... well, easier.

Edit: I should note: I have no clue clue whatsoever how the subscription thing works. That is to say, Paypal might take $1 out of each one. In which case, numbers would vary slightly, but in the long term it's still easier to deal with and count on. So, yes, it's mostly an ease and reliability thing. Again, What's $5?!

I support this initiative!

I would hand over $5 a month. What's $5?!

It's two cups of coffee!  Maybe even three. 

Quantifying it ruins the fun. You're either in or out, no standing on the line!

Also, What's two cups of coffe?!

The answer is not $5. :awesome_for_real:

Hmm, interesting. I'm somewhat screwed in the head. 5 dollars a month sounds worse to me that 60 dollars once a year. Guess thats why I loved that lifetime account for Lotro. Do you offer lifetime accounts?

Add me too. Hell, I throw far more away than 5 bucks a month on taxes for crap I'll never see. Why not for something that I actively use to keep boredom at bay during the work week?

If there is enough call for a subscription button that says $60 billed once every twelve months, I could do that as well! I mean, "What's $60?!" doesn't have the same ring to it. It becomes Nothing for SOMETHING instead of Nothing for Something.

Edit: If that wasn't clear, I was joking - I'm not offering anything besides $5 a month. This is Nothing for Something.

For $5 per month, you get either:

• Title changed to Terracotta Chariot
• Post count hidden
• Each post counts as two posts
• Choose one thread in Politics to be mysteriously deleted
• Choose the server time
• Green name

You can buy multiple 'benefits' if you have enough nuggets.

I really don't want to incentivize is, but the bolded ones are brilliant.[/list]

I'd rather have a title like "Terracotta Mercenary" than lose the fun I have laughing at the most retarded Politics threads.

Don't talk about what you want. I'm not offering anything for $5.

What's $5?!

 :drill:

Sure why not.

THAT'S THE ENTHUSIASM I WANT (AND DESERVE)!

(http://forums.f13.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=4211;type=avatar)

Given current exchange rates, a month's supply of ramen.

The politics deletion suggestion would make that place cease to exist within the week.

C'mon, it wouldn't stop the retarded conversations for a second. If somebody deleted a thread in progress a new one would appear in a minute. It might be annoying to some people who didn't read the thread for a few days, but it would be hilarious and it goes with the "here be dragons" ethic of the forum.  :grin:

Sure. If we got enough subs. But then I'd have hookers and blow, so you think I'd care?

Oh, I get it now, you're ripping off Lowtax.  :why_so_serious:

AFAIK, Lowtax hasn't cashed in on the one thing he could make real bank on.

A worksafe template. Pay to be able to make a completely worksafe template, complete with own censor dictionary, for work. He would get fucking piled on with subs for that.

I'd pay for that. 5$ a month for removal of "fucking" from all thread titles. I don't know anymore exactly how retarded Restate really is.  :grin:

I offer nothing. Anything that may occur or appear at a later date is not guaranteed. I'm not saying things will or won't occur, but there are no guarantees. This is simply $5 a month, appearing in my bank account, disappearing from yours, and nothing being returned. I'm not even going to offer refunds (because that would be stupid).

That could be done with a filter fairly easily. So $5 a month to connect to the filtering proxy. Interesting.

See, maybe Righ will hand me some code or some shit and magically you'll have gotten something for your $5! but for now! you get nothing! except a warm feeling in your stomach.

Do you need to pay tax on this?

Add me too.

lol

cute

For serious though: if this amounts to anything that I'd need to pay taxes on, sure. Likelihood of that happening: Zero.

Does this mean at some point you'll take the 'server fund' and disappear to God knows where?

You mean like I did in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, or 2009? OBVIOUSLY.

Those years you were just lulling people into a false sense of trust and security. Finally, you have them in your grasp and are bringing your evil plan to its fortuitous end.

 :tinfoil:

Lighten up, schild. The fact that I gave you 50 dollars a few months ago should tell you that I am aware of that. Hell, I couldn't even give a fuck about that second server you talked about because I wouldn't have use for that anyway.

And if I'm still as entertained and not completely shut out by my corporate firewall, I'll do the same this year. Or do it monthly if its all the same (on both my and your side).

Everything else is just shooting the breeze. But somehow you imagine I want something from you, in contrast to the other people joking around here.

Is it easy to join?

I'd chip in.

World Domination @ $5.00 a head. It seems I am like most supervillains. Inefficient with a useless plan.

What's $5?!


Dude! Sorry for confusing you! At no point was I being dead serious in this thread other than offering a sub button (which will be on a seperate page, with its own unsubscribe button (for those wondering). Sorry if I crossed wires! I didn't even mean to bring up a second server in that capacity! That's not at all what I meant! Also, I'm 99% fucking around outside of the initial posts content!

Iain, It's so easy to join.

My guess: You plan to use the money to buy the world's supply of ShamWows and then threated to empty the oceans unless you are paid a tidy ransom. 

Sir, I think you found your true calling. Screw that professor shit.

If only I could spell. 

I think asking for donations is reasonable.  I'm not sure the monthly thing will go over well though.  Seems easier to just had over $20 for many than give up $5 a month. 

My offer to mail you Raman still stands though.

The donation button will still exist. But I'm being completely transparent, $5 a month over a year is more than $20. And $5 a month "to the brain" is less than $20 a once.


I just got a shipment from someone, thanks again for the offer though!

Guys, you don't have subscribe to heap piles of shit upon Schild.


Shamwow should  have an option were you pay to have to custom logos imprinted on them.

Lets get serious for a moment.

You should talk to Paypal and check the numbers. A swift Paypal fee calculator (the first google coughed up) tells me that 60 Dollars=57,96 for you, whereas 12x5 Dollars=54,60 for you. And international fees seem to be 2% higher than that. Maybe its different for subscription fees.

These numbers are correct. I already looked into it and planned on doing a dry run with one local and one international person. But if we want to get really serious, the mental/emotional/psychological difference between $5 a month and $60 a year is extraordinarily different. I have never given $60 for a year of anything on the web, but I've had many subscriptions between $3 and $5 a month for many websites.

Edit: In short, for some people, donating $60 is what they'd rather do. And the regular donation button will continue to exist for that. Or whatever amount. I've gotten donations from $0.99 all the way up to $300. Do you think I've scoffed at any of them? While I may have hare-brained ideas from time to time, I'm not completely insane.

Edit 2: Also, it's hard to be serious about $5. I mean, What's $5?! /snicker

Ah, its a "Better 55 Dollars in the hand than 58 Dollars on the roof" thing. Gotcha!

Load mod_proxy and mod_substitute

Define a new server instance, map lesslewd.f13.net to it and add the following directives to its configuration:

ProxyPassReverse / http://forums.f13.net/
<Location />
AddOutputFilterByType SUBSTITUTE text/html
Substitute s/fuck/gently caress/ni
</Location>

etc.

Well, really, it's about knowing exactly what I'll get by the end of a year from subscriptions alone. Frankly, I'd be OK with stopping subscribers and donations at the exact price of the server each yea and then just starting it up again after the server is paid. I'd have no problem with it. On the other hand, while completely insane, I'm not stupid. Also, it's more about the end user. There are a LOT of people here who would never donate $60 in one chunk but $5 a month? Sure! Why not? It's $5! Which is nothing! It's the internet equivalent of an impulse buy, like vector magic, or rapidshare.

Gah, I would have to give up one Venti a month.

Not fucking possible.

I'm happy to pay $5 a month, except that the exchange rate is going to leave you $3.50 or so. Minus taxes / charges.

... but in exchange, I want Schild to go back to being a GAMES JOURNALIST writing 1 ARTICLE A WEEK! MWAHAHAHA!  :grin:

It's $5USD, so it woudl be what, $8 to you? whatever the exchange rate is would apply on the backend I'd assume.

Edit: $7.06AUD to be exact.


I would, honestly, other than the conflict of interest.

F13 was down for several minutes, I want my 0.69 cents back. Also I was right in the middle of a flame war, so I deserve my postcount increased by at least 17. My side lost because of the downtime, so an admin must delete our embarrassing posts. Ironwood's accent is not working as intended, Lum's avatar is overpowered and Signe is clearly cheating. The admins must fix these problems in an emergency patch and move Broughden to the Corpnews server. If this does not happen immediately, I will start a 72-page protest thread and a class action lawsuit.

 :oh_i_see:

I would, if I had money. But I don't. I'm more likely to make a donation at some point in the year when I somehow manage to find extra money.

So I'd recommend still keeping the option to make a donation if you do choose to do a subscriber thing too.

You can't afford 5 bucks a month?  Wow, that sucks.  What was for dinner tonight?

Can you read?

I'm just suggesting that schild keeps the donation option open so those that find it easier to give something when they feel more comfortable, rather than subscribe, be able to do so.

No need to be a dick about other people's finances. I suppose you're sponsoring 30 children around the world, give regularly to charity and volunteer down and the old folks home, but some of us aren't as comfortable as that.

Also exchange rates make lump sums better for those of us living overseas.

He's just sad that my idea is cooler than Kiva. It's completely alright to ignore him when he says absolutely stupid shit.

And he should know better since I really couldn't afford $5 a month if I want to keep eating my random 'not-ramen' meals.

I'm sorry guys, let's all be friends again!   :awesome_for_real:

You finally figured out how to make f13 an MMOG?  :why_so_serious:

$5 is $5. Which is nearly nothing for most of us. Hell, who hasn't spent more time here than 'flavor of the month' mmo?

You should nerf HaemishMs at launch.

http://www.f13.net/subscribe/

wooooo! tested! works! minimal loss on paypal fees!

If anyone international wants to try it, sign up and shoot me a PM, if it's crap fees, I'll remove the option for international people!

(f13, now more legit than darkfall and with a working billing system!)

We has 3 subscribers! Only ∞+1 to go until I can make this a full time job!

f13 Nothing for Something Campaign confirmed working as expected for International people! Have at ye, members of the global community!

How fucking insane is it that I think this might be a good idea, and that I might actually contribute.  God damn it.  I'd feel better if at least you'd threaten some cute little animal.  I know that this is supposed to be for nothing, but somehow I feel that I need to get...something.  Not SOMETHING, just something.

YOU GET NOTHING. And neither will this adorable little puppy, until you subscribe, then I might start THINKING about feeding him again.

So we get something if we give nothing, provided others give something? That's what you've indicated with the puppy.

No, that was just for Cyrrex. And I still guarantee nothing. Nothing.

Yes, but that's for those that give something. What about us that give nothing? It seems unfair to them that you'd share with us what you're giving them. Therefore, you should give us something for nothing.

I can't help but wonder if this isn't some crazy lab experiment to determine how retarded we are.  You couldn't at least give colored names to your subs?  What's the color of stupid?

And yet, I'm still thinking about it.

It's not a lab experiment. It's just a way to streamline donations. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. There's almost no sweat off anyones back. You probably have $5 lying between the cushions of your car and will never know it.

Six people! That's a 200% increase over the last few hours! Comeon folks! What's $5?!

http://fivedollarcomparison.org/

Are you saying you want me to send them a picture of the f13 subscription or are you just being a troll?

(http://www.clisham.com-a.googlepages.com/Herechart.png)

lol

What made this and can it be used with php?

Careful - with a growth rate like that we may find f13.net in the middle of an EA / Blizzard Activision bidding war.

Less talk, More Rokk Subs!

I found this to be funny, also you can add me to the list of idiots.

EDIT: Oh, and I want a beta invite to Network of Ninja edgar. (I know, I'm doing it wrong, twice.)

Yo why you gotta pick on me?

I paid my 5 dollahs.  How many does that make?

If I had *any* income at all right now I would sign up no problems. However I can't justify to my GF even $5/month from the joint accont right now. She's already paying my WoW subs  :oh_i_see:

Got a couple of potential paid photog jobs coming up though, if they come off I'll make a donation :)

Subs?

Never enough. When we hit 1,000, it might unlock something special.

I'm a 2-boxer. Mythic's fault - I got hooked on multi-accounting when we needed a buffbot and I was the only one earning enough at the time to have 2 computers. Only MMOs I've played with a single account since DaoC were Earth & Beyond (it shut down before I succumbed to the urge for a 2nd account) and AoC (because it was shit).

Due to a lack of publicly available updates on subscribers numbers, I have been forced to stop making updates to the f13 subscriber chart.

How about PCU numbers? I can give you those, though they also include the F2P players.

I'll stick with irregular larger donations, as I find the paypal subscription stuff kinda annoying, but I fully support your highly entertaining name for this program!

Against my better judgement, I have clicked all the necessary buttons and am now subscribing.  To nothing.  I want you to know that you have just reduced my 2009 supply of video games by one, and that game is probably Demon's Souls.  I hope you're happy.  I feel used, and even a little dirty.  Could you at least pretend that we are now part of some grand new cult/religion?

Skipping out on Demon's Souls would be highly unfortunate.  It is soooo good.

How many of us has Schild managed to convince to order a copy so far, I wonder?  I lost count somewhere.

So we've established you're getting money for nothing, but are you getting your chicks for free?

Once I move these microwave ovens, this refrigerator and some color TVs - then I'll worry about the free chicks.

Between the 3 message boards I've been trolling with froth, I'd say somewhere between 1 and not enough.

Alright (hat trick), we're in the double digits, let's aim for 3 digits! Go team!

Ahem. MOAR.

Your news box now requires scrolling.

Not on my screen, what are you browsing at?

He is using a blackberry.

IE6

I meant resolution. What resolution are you browsing at?

firefox 3, linux, 1024x768, newsbox demands scrollbars...

which is weird because it is not as tall as the user info box to the left of it...

Better?

I can now see maybe 45% of the button instead of 15% of it

I'm going to assume it's supposed to look like

(http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/40252/subscribe-f13.png)

Works fine here - however small I make the Firefox window the News Box stays intact and unscrolled. That's probably not very helpful, sorry :p

I've paid far more for nothing!

That's the attitude! Need moar!

subscribe

Edit: there's a newsletter right?  Kidding. 

Oh snap I just bumped a sticky.

That's what she said!

Since I don't need to be incentivized, can I get my terracotta chariot now?

Your nothing is overpowered.

With the EULA to boot.

"You get NOTHING!"

The lack of balance between nothing and something is a slap in the face of those of us who play nothing!

If this isn't fixed, I'm going to play nothing else.

This is your last warning devs!

Stormwaltz got a pretty color name and special title.  I'm calling favoritism by the devs!

You should also be jealous of my ever so slightly darker shade white, then.  The feeling of uberness is pretty special, I gotta tell ya.

I am up for (almost got I think) a ph4t job.  If I get said job, I will subscribe. 

Are you listening, Karma Gods?  ARE YOU?

Also I feel I must point out that Nothing IS Something!  It can be defined and discussed, therefore cannot be truly nothing.

Grebo is a brave man to tie his karma and luck to Schild's.     :why_so_serious:

I think we need to start a fansite.  There's no way to openly discuss this horrible favoritism on the part of the devs on their own boards.

If you get a phatty job, you are free to make SEVERAL subscriptions. Also, you can buy us cake. :awesome_for_real:

We require more vespene gas subscriptions.

How the hell did I miss this?  I will be making a donation soon.  Mind you, this is on the Cheddar scale of time.  I recommend reminding me to donate 20 bucks in a couple weeks. 

The juice is 400%. Clock's ticking, pal.

Will you be posting a monthly total?

No, but I'll post when we hit goal, which doesn't seem likely.

And I'm up for a ph4t scholarship.  I should hear in a week.  If I get it, my $5 is yours.

Subscriptions seem to work. Unfortunately we don't have nearly enough.

How many more do you need for it to make you really happy.

I'm sticking to the annual "subscription" plan. FYI. It makes more sense to me. Just bitch when the bill has landed.

I don't care about happy. I care about the server and when we get there, I'll say so.

Edit:

Heh.

Easily worth the squeeze.

Whats this in Euros + the fee my credit card charges for their computer calculating the dollar fee?  :heartbreak:

And feel free to say you dont want my money.  :awesome_for_real:

So the other day my wife asks me "who is Eric Shild and we did we pay him 5 dollars?"  See, I forgot that the wife's email is attached to the Paypal account (I really gotta do something about that).  So I say something like "uh, it's nothing, don't worry about it, no big deal."  She probably thinks that I'm having webcam liaisons with some hard-up frat boy, or something equally damning.  Which isn't near as bad as the truth, where I'm getting absolutely nothing.  Fun times.

You got drama for something! Most people get nothing!

You fooled me with the Buy Stuff! link, I clicked it fully expecting to see t-shirts.

paid in full.  finally.   bitches. 

I got a stimulus (http://www.theherald.com.au/news/local/news/general/the-900-stimulus-bonus-is-ready-to-go/1479473.aspx) and bought a schild.

Signed on for the $5 per month thing.

I'll be expecting prompt delivery of my nothing or I'll have to give you negative feedback on PayPal.

You better not get yours before I get mine, assface.  I'm still waiting for nothing.

Your nothing probably got lost in the mail. Most people's did, after all I wasn't really willing to pay for stamps. That would've been something.

Not sure how I never noticed before, but if I can afford to buy a virtual hotdog suit, then I can scrounge up enough to support coke and whores for f13.

Funny.  I paid nothing and got something.  You're all doing it wrong.

Before the asshats get to me, I do yearly donations and don't do the subscribe thingy.

Wait, you got something?

My package was full of Mild Unease.

I got one of those slimy things that you throw against the wall and it slowly crawls down.  But there was a peanut stuck to it.

So worth it.

Was it a dry roasted peanut?  I love those things but they give me agita. 

Is it possible to wet roast a peanut?

When I got close enough to inspect it, I think it moved.  So I'm not sure.

You should setup TrialPay.

Can you give a good reason?

It's an incentized donation. However, I just reviewed the current offers and they all suck. They use to have gaming related offers (like buy game XYZ and it gave a $20 cut).

Is there a way we can make this tax deductible  :grin:

I can give you a green peace receipt.

But no, not really.

Server is due on October 10th. The book will not generate money until after that (YAY BAD TIMING), but I don't think it will be enough to cover the difference, so I'll just deposit that after the server for next year.

We'd LIKE to get a new server this year as this one is feeling it and it's had a ridiculous uptime (i liek new hardware). It will actually cost less to get a new server. Anyway, we're at $800 and change in the paypal account. I say $800 and change because they're going to charge fees anyway and it's literally $800 and change, so let's just call it an even $800.

With the coupons available TODAY, the server comes out to $1,190.37. Who knows what will be available in a week or two, but we're going to need about a weeks leadtime to swap over without any major downtime. (For the record, renewing the current server looks like it would run $1,587.16 - obviously this is a stupid thing to renew considering it has a last gen processor anyway).

Any help would be fantastic, otherwise I'm going to have to switch to month to month which costs a good deal more and is incredibly stupid (read: STUPID) in the long run.

The current server expires on 10/10. So, all things considered, we have til 10/3 to make $390.37.

Thanks again, everyone!

White Elephant Sale?

We all donate an unwanted/unused item.
Post pictures and description of said item in one thread with a suggested price/donation or maybe even take bids through PM's.
Money is paid by buyer/winner directly into F13's paypal account.
Item is mailed from seller to buyer upon confirmation of payment being received.

Only out of pocket cost to seller is donating the item and the shipping fee.

I think it would be easy to administer and fun. And since no money is changing hands between posters (it all goes straight to the F13 paypal account) there shouldnt be any hard feelings as long as sellers are prompt in mailing the items.

Sweet idea.  I still have my original SWG disks, they must be worth at least 100 dollars.

First shelf on the right.

I'm not even sure those are worth money.

I think I finally threw out my ce box sometime this year.  Did they ever let other people wear sunglasses (I cancelled the first month)?  Maybe we can twist this thread into another swg thread.

Oh and I put $50 in the kitty.

DONATIONS FOR THE DONATION GOD

$100 toward another year of cynical f13 goodness donated.  Also, please don't send me your unwanted stuff -- I've spent the last few weeks throwing out a lot of unwanted stuff and I'm not anxious to obtain more right now.

I am curious to know about the hardware that's looking to be purchased. Is it a desktop machine, or a fully fledged rack mount, or a 'dell workstation' type sytem? Just wonderin!

We use GoDaddy which uses 1U rackmounts, iirc. Depending on what you get of course. The box will be a new 2.16 dual core with 2GB of RAM on a 100MBit connection. Fully dedicated. GoDaddy may suck for a lot of things but their bandwidth and uptime is just great.

Status?

I was somehow able to block out this thread and the new Subscribe! button until now.  Rectified and subscribed.

I paid for the server because we wanted to get it a little early to move everything over without rushing. Paid the rest required myself.

Thanks taleril!

Your show of appreciation is dangerously close to being "something".

Changing the subscription from 8 months to unlimited. You can still unsub whenever. Rocky broken buttons til then.

Fixed. Please get back to you're regularly scheduled subbing for nothing.

How long with the unlimited offer be available and can my donation be included in the price?  Do I get a free pet?

Most people's subscriptions completed today. If you'd like to resub under the new NEVER GOING TO TERMINATE version, click Subscribe in the upper right! The old ones will thank you!

Oh, if you had a sub from last year, it ran out, the new one is indefinite and you just cancel whenever you want. So uhhhh, resub, because it's so easy.

Doing my Amazon Christmas shopping through the link. Hopefully the few pennies I generate will help  :oh_i_see:

We have Amazon here?  OOPS!  I will remember from now on.  Really.  I promise.   :ye_gods:

Have you thought about doing Eve subscriptions through their affiliate program to benefit the server?

Something to thing about (https://www.eveonline.com/affiliate/)

Retiring this thread.

So wait, are we still good on cash-monies?

Look above to the thread entitled "donation drive"

Inquiring minds would like to know.

For sure, inquiring minds should look at new stickies. :awesome_for_real: