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Title: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Predator Irl on March 23, 2009, 09:58:39 AM According to Dotlan, Band of Brothers Reloaded has Sov 3 in Querious. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/DG-L7S (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/DG-L7S) Just for an example. So it looks like KenZoku no longer exists at all. Given the Sov. change history at the bottom of the page, it looks like the alliance name got changed. Which, as I understand it, is unprecedented. ... and the Goons amongst us will instantly know why this will be their ultimate downfall, BobKenBob changing their alliance name is GREAT news! Title: Re: War Post by: Comstar on March 23, 2009, 09:59:30 AM So does this mean any and all corporations can now have their name changed by CCP.
Title: Re: War Post by: tazelbain on March 23, 2009, 10:07:50 AM Did goonswarm really need another morale booster?
Goons should try to add something to their name just to put CCP in a tough spot. Title: Re: War Post by: Meester on March 23, 2009, 10:36:17 AM Who the hell thinks up these terrible names I wonder.
They must have a lot of monkeys with typewriters, hoping for a shakespeare play yet ending up with Band of Brothers, KenZoku and Band of Brothers Reloaded. At least HUN Reloaded is their original name. In a few years time we will see that Band of Brothers Reloaded has been disbanded.... Band of Brothers Reloaded Reloaded will surely not be too far away. Title: Re: War Post by: Jayce on March 23, 2009, 10:38:22 AM My guess is the corps running towers that are holding sov in those systems stayed in Kenzoku for now. Can anyone in game verify whether the alliance Kenzoku still exists? The consensus I've seen so far indicates the "batphone" was answered and CCP changed their name for them. In related news, apparently BOBR is something like "beaver" in Russian. New alliance nickname spotted. efb: there's another page? So it looks like KenZoku no longer exists at all. Is this confirmed in-game? Or was it supposition? Title: Re: War Post by: Reg on March 23, 2009, 10:40:10 AM It's nice to see CCP keeping up it's hard won reputation as the stupidest band of MMOG devs in existence.
Title: Re: War Post by: Murgos on March 23, 2009, 10:44:16 AM So, uh, Goons who have an alt in BOB just hit the paydirt? Scamming should be an order of magnitude easier with this change added in to confuse things.
Title: Re: War Post by: amiable on March 23, 2009, 10:52:46 AM My guess is the corps running towers that are holding sov in those systems stayed in Kenzoku for now. Can anyone in game verify whether the alliance Kenzoku still exists? The consensus I've seen so far indicates the "batphone" was answered and CCP changed their name for them. In related news, apparently BOBR is something like "beaver" in Russian. New alliance nickname spotted. efb: there's another page? So it looks like KenZoku no longer exists at all. Is this confirmed in-game? Or was it supposition? KenZoku is now officially and alt corp. In Goonswarm. Title: Re: War Post by: Jayce on March 23, 2009, 10:55:16 AM So it looks like KenZoku no longer exists at all. Is this confirmed in-game? Or was it supposition? Once again, efb http://img.waffleimages.com/1b04b236f0ecb4bf33c3732d0e4848a7512de136/ownege.jpg (might need to refresh to see it due to referrer stuff) Title: Re: War Post by: kildorn on March 23, 2009, 12:11:35 PM CCP really don't think before they do anything.
Even if you wanted to get this done, announce a new paid name change policy with a hefty tag ($50?), and then change the name. It won't be high overhead at that cost (and if it is, woo money for no effort) But mindlessly continuing the stupid "CCP favors BoB" shit without even a quick smokescreen? What the hell, amateur hour. Title: Re: War Post by: lac on March 23, 2009, 01:37:38 PM CCP really don't think before they do anything. I'd beg to differ.CCP knows Eve lives and dies by the drama it creates and they had to give BoB and their fanbase something after the humiliating annihilation of their territory and their name, less they unsubscribe en mass in disgust. So they gave them back their name, their identity and their history. While that won't change anything in game, it does make the past look less futile. I'm pretty sure that some time ago a clever CCP marketer noticed how much subscriptions the presumed bob loving/t20 scandal generated. If generating activity is your goal and you can give one sibling the impression he is the better loved one, it makes sure he does his utmost best to stay at that position. It also ensures all the other siblings will fight nail over toe to prove both you and the preferred one wrong. That's one hell of a great business model for a persistent PVP world. Title: Re: War Post by: Arthur_Parker on March 23, 2009, 01:58:21 PM If the towers were claiming sov for a corp, then surely all they had to do was get the corp to join the new alliance to get sov 3?
/unfamiliar with sov mechanics Title: Re: War Post by: Fordel on March 23, 2009, 02:36:13 PM I was still hoping they went with <Robert> .
Title: Re: War Post by: Sparky on March 23, 2009, 03:16:18 PM If the towers were claiming sov for a corp, then surely all they had to do was get the corp to join the new alliance to get sov 3? /unfamiliar with sov mechanics If they made a new alliance and joined it'd be all reset to sov 1, as happened with Kenguko. Title: Re: War Post by: Phildo on March 23, 2009, 04:43:35 PM My result for an in-game search for the alliance Band of Brothers Reloaded had the name Kenzoku cached in the info screen, but the ticker has changed.
Title: Re: War Post by: amiable on March 24, 2009, 04:51:15 AM On the name change incident....
The EvE-O forums are pretty hilarious, with pretty much the same dynamic going on that happened during the T20 scandal i.e. Goons threadnaughting, Bobbits acting like entitled douchebags and throwing gasoline on the fire, random pubbies asking why CCP hasn't commented etc... I'm curious to see if the gaming press picks up on this as another example of developer malfeasance, even though the issue is not as egregious as the T20 incident. Title: Re: War Post by: Sparky on March 24, 2009, 05:16:51 AM On the name change incident.... The EvE-O forums are pretty hilarious, with pretty much the same dynamic going on that happened during the T20 scandal i.e. Goons threadnaughting, Bobbits acting like entitled douchebags and throwing gasoline on the fire, random pubbies asking why CCP hasn't commented etc... I'm curious to see if the gaming press picks up on this as another example of developer malfeasance, even though the issue is not as egregious as the T20 incident. Predicting CCP just quarantines the threadnaughts and pretends nothing happened as goons are too :effort: to really make a fuss this time as BoB are all but dead anyway. Title: Re: War Post by: trevorreznik on March 24, 2009, 06:09:44 AM My guess is the corps running towers that are holding sov in those systems stayed in Kenzoku for now. According to Dotlan, Band of Brothers Reloaded has Sov 3 in Querious. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/DG-L7S (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/DG-L7S) Just for an example. So it looks like KenZoku no longer exists at all. Given the Sov. change history at the bottom of the page, it looks like the alliance name got changed. Which, as I understand it, is unprecedented. that's ridiculous, fuck ccp Title: Re: War Post by: lac on March 24, 2009, 06:20:53 AM CCP comments on the issue (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032494)
Quote Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and we’d like to take this opportunity to address those issues. We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case. This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment. Title: Re: War Post by: Reg on March 24, 2009, 06:25:57 AM See? They would have done this same favour for any alliance the Goons were defeating!
Title: Re: War Post by: Endie on March 24, 2009, 06:44:30 AM Yes, it's ridiculous, yes it's the sort of thing that the CSM was supposed to stop occurring, but actually I'm pretty pleased with it, on reflection.
Partly because bobr are no longer named after a pretty good tv series (let's not pretend that they are named in reference to Henry V's speech in Shakespeare), but are now named after a pretty awful sequel film which was generally considered a pale shadow of the movie it succeeded. But mainly because now their very name - "Reloaded" - refers to how we destroyed them. Every time they or anyone else reads, says or refers to it they will be reminding themselves of what happened to BoB (destroyed) and Kenzoku (griefed out of existence). It helps that the Band of Brothers corp is now even more perfect for scamming with, and that as a result of CCP's own bias it cannot have its misleading name changed! Title: Re: War Post by: amiable on March 24, 2009, 06:49:55 AM It's pure win for the goons because it just feeds into the "CCP treats BoB special" meme. I'm sure The Mittani is delighted.
Title: Re: War Post by: kildorn on March 24, 2009, 06:50:05 AM I just want a list of renames they'd done to help people out (not offensive name forced renames)
Because last I checked, they'd always told people to disband and reform. If they have some shadow list of helpful renames, rock on. If not, it's the same "we've totally stopped 80 terrorist attacks this month alone, we just can't tell you about any of them!" bullshit. Title: Re: War Post by: Jayce on March 24, 2009, 06:57:26 AM While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Hey, at least their turnaround time is the same for all alliances. That's about how long it took for them to respond to the bug that took R2TJ to sov1 for us. But what were they doing this whole time? "Should we rename Kenzoku to BoBR? Allow me cogitate upon the question." *strokes beard* *for two months* *is CCP* Title: Re: War Post by: Comstar on March 24, 2009, 07:07:34 AM We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. Huh? The rules are quite clear- No name can be changed unless it's offensive. Furthermore, Stain Allience had a mis-spelt name which they refused to fix too. Title: Re: War Post by: Arthur_Parker on March 24, 2009, 07:11:57 AM It's funny, it's almost like CCP hates them.
Title: Re: War Post by: Endie on March 24, 2009, 07:14:27 AM As someone on GF.com pointed out, GM Grimmi misses the point. Bobr were not forced to join Kenzoku. They could have formed another alliance and joined that. The reason that they are petitioning for this is that they want to avoid the consequences of changing alliance because you dislike something about your current one (loss of sov being the main one).
Title: Re: War Post by: Arthur_Parker on March 24, 2009, 07:29:25 AM All they need to do now is get CCP to rename Empire to "Delve Reloaded" and everything will be back to normal.
Title: Re: War Post by: tmp on March 24, 2009, 09:30:09 AM Meh, would've called it Rebob instead. Then people could be hating on Canadian cartoons for a change...
Title: Re: War Post by: Thrawn on March 24, 2009, 12:00:06 PM In other news regarding the BoBR alliance name.... Supposedly (I didn't check myself) their new name is longer then the maximum characters for an alliance name and their ticker is the only one in game thats been able to have a lower case character. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: War Post by: Dallan on March 24, 2009, 12:35:11 PM In other news regarding the BoBR alliance name.... Supposedly (I didn't check myself) their new name is longer then the maximum characters for an alliance name False - look at Curatores Veritatis Alliance or Confederation of Independent Corporations, for example. Lord WarATron (ex-BNC) decided to troll the EVE-O thread and got a critical mass of people to believe him - nicely done on his part. Quote and their ticker is the only one in game thats been able to have a lower case character. :awesome_for_real: This part's true, as far as anyone can tell. Title: Re: War Post by: gryeyes on March 24, 2009, 06:19:51 PM Given the past controversy and impropriety by CCP in regards to Bob what the fuck are they thinking?
Title: Re: War Post by: Sir T on March 25, 2009, 05:33:53 AM Interesting post by 'Count Bolton'
Quote CCP has a long history of corruption and favoritism since day 1, even before BoB existed. It started with the 'Old Boys Club' of m0o, Evolution and RKK back during Castor years Internal QA knowledge of PvP exploits. Knowledge of market shifting patch changes before public release. Massive insider knowledge of the T2 BPO lottery and Aurora events flowed freely between these corporations. BoB crashing the nodes to win fleet battles wasn't just from their UK location. They exploited a flaw in how clients logged into the Tranquility server. It involved having a second game client open and filled, waiting on standby to forcibly disconnect your current client from the server. There were other methods involved, but it's an example how BoB had a *deep* understanding of eve's server mechanics and node balancing, as with other parts of the game. I used to work in ISD as a Bug Hunter, so I witnessed some of this corruption first-hand. The chaos server(original test server, before singularity existed) was a breeding ground for exploitation and insider knowledge. While I worked on squashing bugs, I would see other ISD members scouting out moons and enemy stations from the latest game backup. Some people also had '/spawn' privileges, and used it to gather insider knowledge on new equipment, game mechanics, and even exploits. I tried to report these problems myself, but they got swept under the rug by certain GMs and QA members. I remember Nebulai, the old Aurora lead calling me a liar, even after I caught some of his event staff cheating during an event(with slash commands), unfairly destroying other player's ships and property. I think the public opening of singularity server has been a large help in making EVE a level playing field. Everyone has equal rights to limitless equipment on the test server, and can tinker around with new patches and game changes. I also think transparency with the new ISD and event teams has gone a long way to remove favoritism and free giveaways of officer loot. Even though the impact of ISD, GM and developer corruption has been greatly reduced, I feel that CCP still doesn't take this kind of cheating seriously. Eve Online iron-clad naming policy has screwed over countless other people in the past due to its *bitter* fairness, and yet everything is waved for just *one* alliance. Not just any alliance; It's the same alliance that gets their hand caught in the cookie jar, every time. Aurora event scandals. 10/10 complexes with farmable overseers, exploiting aggro timers, bugged trade routes using titan portals, shooting players though starbase shields, crashing nodes down to a science, etc. The list is very, very long. For those that do not understand, this isn't about a simple name change. BoB used an already-existing 'alternate' alliance to fall back into after being disbanded, to immediately reclaim their sovereignty. The downside is they're stuck with using the alt-alliance, and must disband to create a more 'official' one. Using GM intervention, however, they are having their cake and eating it too. This is after the GM's told everyone else the cake was a lie. The widespread corruption is hard to quantify, as many players who went through it have already quit the game in disgust. I think the current player base will mainly cite the t20 scandal as their oldest memory, even though the free BPO's were trash and insignificant compared to t20's knowledge on how to control the lottery itself. I have also quit the game in disgust and no longer play EVE. I use this free account(gifted to me by kieron) to poke around and check out the new expansions every now and then. I thought the t20 scandal and creation of internal affairs would be the last time BoB was given any kind of favoritism by the higher powers. It saddens me that I was wrong. It should also be mentioned that Lord Zap, Leader of Moo, was actually Helmar, who owns/runs CCP. Never forget. Title: Re: War Post by: Gets on March 25, 2009, 09:47:37 AM The MoO who used to grief by spamming the grid with containers to create so much gridlag everyone who warped in were dead before they would even load anything?
Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Pax on March 25, 2009, 10:01:05 AM The MoO who used to tank CONCORD and made a high sec gate their own Rancer?
Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Thrawn on March 25, 2009, 11:30:43 AM Back to Kenny it is - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1033628 (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1033628)
Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Jayce on March 25, 2009, 11:36:53 AM The MoO who used to tank CONCORD and made a high sec gate their own Rancer? The MoO who used to grief by spamming the grid with containers to create so much gridlag everyone who warped in were dead before they would even load anything? So what you all are saying is get off my lawn, we had it much worse in my day! :geezer: edit: inserted quotes due to someone posting something on-topic in my thread!! Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Murgos on March 25, 2009, 11:43:21 AM Back to Kenny it is - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1033628 (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1033628) So, does that make them KenZoku Reloaded now? Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Sparky on March 25, 2009, 12:05:49 PM Anime is cartoons.
Maybe if Kenny hadn't been so damn smug "The batphone still works" and whatnot then CCP wouldn't have felt compelled to distance themselves so quickly and completely. Undone by their own hubris once again. Now they get to disband and make Band of Brothers Revolutions like any other bunch of nerds. Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Viin on March 25, 2009, 12:21:45 PM New thread title: KenZoku => BoBR => KenZoku Reloaded
Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Endie on March 25, 2009, 12:29:58 PM I don't see how this could get any better.
Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Thrawn on March 25, 2009, 12:34:23 PM As someone else pointed out, does this mean we killed BoB twice now?
Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: lac on March 25, 2009, 12:49:45 PM And there I was, hoping for a hint of evil genius from CCP, when all they were doing was kicking Robert while he was down.
Seriously, how can they keep being so awful in handling these things... Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Reg on March 25, 2009, 12:51:54 PM I blame CCP for this entirely. BoB would have been foolish not to try to get their name back with a petition. CCP just proved yet again how completely out of touch they are by actually granting the name change and then reversing themselves.
Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: palmer_eldritch on March 25, 2009, 01:18:50 PM This is the craziest thing I have seen from customer support in an MMO, and I played EQ when Abashi was around.
Frankly, if I was CCP i would have brazened it out even if I realised I had screwed up and invented some reason for it. You can say that a specific set of circumstances has led you to rethink your policy. There's no shame in that. The only proviso is that they would have had to ensure the policy really did apply to everyone. I'm not sure that saying Concord would allow any alliance to change its name for a 1bn fee (for example) would have been a problem as far as the community went. It might have been very popular. Of course, I don't know if there are technical restrictions which might cause problems, such as database issues. I wonder of KenZoku thought about the consequences of getting their name changed. I assume that they petitioned *everything* once they disbanded - perhaps because they honestly weren't sure if it had been done legally or not - and two months later CCP got back to them with the offer of a name change. If Kenny had any sense they would have declined the offer, because it could only bring back memories of T20 etc. It has been known to everyone for a long time now that the original disbanding was within the rules. I'm saying seriously here, not as a troll or sarcasm, that I have some sympathy with Kenny over this. They are their own worst enemies but in this case CCP helped them screw themselves. Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Murgos on March 25, 2009, 01:29:45 PM Of course, in the interim, A Goon had already registered kenZoku and has just had it snatched away from him by CCP (which is fucked up but :ccp:) though he still holds the ticker. Also, a Goon has now swooped down and registered Band Of Brothers Reloaded {.BOB.}.
Which begs the question what ticker does Kenny have now? Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Simond on March 25, 2009, 01:34:53 PM CCP have no idea how to do customer service.
Not in the snarky "lol mmog CS amirite :oh_i_see:" sense, but in the genuine "Jesus fucking Christ get some cast-iron 'Thou shalt/Thou shalt not' rules in place and send people on training courses ASAP" sense. Hell, hire me. I've got my Mary Gober(tm) certificate and mug, I bet I could do a better job right now. Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Trebes on March 25, 2009, 01:36:23 PM I'll tell you what cracks me up about this whole thing.
What does it say about the state of EVE Online, and I suppose CCP as well, where the Goons are consistently the watchdog against suspected malfeasance? Yeah, I know the EVE history here, but it's a twisted situation if Goons of all people have to be the server's champions of fair play. Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Murgos on March 25, 2009, 01:40:13 PM Yeah, I know the EVE history here, but it's a twisted situation if Goons of all people have to be the server's champions of fair play. I think that if you ask the goons themselves they will tell you that they have always stuck strictly and exactly to the literal interpretation of the rules. Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Endie on March 25, 2009, 01:44:19 PM At the time of the moon mineral creation scandal a couple of goons got together to troll our forums that one of them had dabbled. You should have seen the righteous fury, calls for banning, petitioning etc that exploded on gf.com (it was a good prankeapple)
Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Nevermore on March 25, 2009, 01:47:21 PM Yeah, I know the EVE history here, but it's a twisted situation if Goons of all people have to be the server's champions of fair play. I think that if you ask the goons themselves they will tell you that they have always stuck strictly and exactly to the literal interpretation of the rules. Griefing through rules-lawyering. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Pax on March 25, 2009, 02:07:17 PM Band of Brothers Revolutions is taken, by the way.
By Goons. Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: sanctuary on March 25, 2009, 02:35:17 PM Didn't the GM's take personal control over specially buffed concord battleships to take out that gatecamp?
Edit: Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: Yoru on March 25, 2009, 02:55:23 PM New thread title: KenZoku => BoBR => KenZoku Reloaded :drill: Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Comstar on March 25, 2009, 03:58:30 PM CCP made the right call- Operation Righteous Fury by the player base was not going to be ignored this time, though the entire change was of very minor manor. The principle was however completely worth defending. Wounder if my petition got closed now.
I think the post script will be after losing the 49-U battle Kenny will retreat to old goonspace and reform under a new banner. Bet's on what it will be called? Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Simond on March 25, 2009, 04:42:51 PM If they've got any fucking sense at all, nothing whatsoever to do with a certain line from Henry V.
...so it'll be Band of Brothers Reborn or something equally stupid. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: WindupAtheist on March 25, 2009, 04:48:54 PM I liked that one Ken guy in the linked thread who suggested Disband of Brothers.
Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Jayce on March 25, 2009, 06:28:42 PM I liked that one Ken guy in the linked thread who suggested Disband of Brothers. Taken by goons already :drill:. Title: Re: KenZoku => BoBR Post by: 5150 on March 26, 2009, 12:03:10 AM Yeah, I know the EVE history here, but it's a twisted situation if Goons of all people have to be the server's champions of fair play. I think that if you ask the goons themselves they will tell you that they have always stuck strictly and exactly to the literal interpretation of the rules. I'd expect nothing less form people that play[ed] Warhammer :-) Griefing through rules-lawyering. :why_so_serious: Didn't the GM's take personal control over specially buffed concord battleships to take out that gatecamp? GM's killing Dev's.....interesting. I was playing on and off back then (mining was too boring, I had no idea about PvP and I'm no hardcore mission runner - plus I was always broke for ISK) but I remember that Moo's high sec antics cost the game alot of subs so assuming Moo were the devs (and I wouldn't doubt it) it was simply a PR stunt Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: ashrik on March 26, 2009, 12:19:56 AM Can you guys explain the stuff with Mo0 and the T20 thing and all the others mentioned for us who are slow in the head?
Also, do a lot of you still play this game? I've pretty much just started (nearing 2m skill points) and I think my corp is pretty crappy. Do you all play together or not really? Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: apocrypha on March 26, 2009, 02:29:48 AM Mo0 was a bit before my time but from what I've heard they were basically a "pirate" corp that specialised in finding innovative ways to grief people in high- and low-sec. Their antics were responsible for a lot of game changes, particularly regarding Concord, sentry guns, etc.
T20 was a CCP dev who was also a member of BoB. He created some tech 2 BPOs using dev powers which he gave to BoB and there was evidence of much cheating by him, in BoBs favour. Massive scandal when it became public, biggest scandal of which was that t20 got to keep his fucking job at CCP despite having been publically exposed as a major cheat. Resulted in a lot of lost subs for CCP no doubt and the game has been viewed by many as inherently unfair and rigged ever since. As these recent events show, there is possibly still a lot of truth to those views. Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: VickeVire on March 26, 2009, 04:56:49 AM I think the renaming of Kenny was a terrible move from CCPs side. How stupid can you get? Never had any sympathy or good will towards BOB but Goonies are starting to get freaking scary...
The hate BOB/CCP obsession can't be healthy tbh. What happend to "lollers, internet spaceships!" and "lets go have fun and dick around with everyone we can" attitude? Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Sir T on March 26, 2009, 05:07:02 AM I think the renaming of Kenny was a terrible move from CCPs side. How stupid can you get? Never had any sympathy or good will towards BOB but Goonies are starting to get freaking scary... The hate BOB/CCP obsession can't be healthy tbh. What happend to "lollers, internet spaceships!" and "lets go have fun and dick around with everyone we can" attitude? You're buying into the Kenny propoganda. Goonswarm were actually relitivly subdued on this one. The amazing thing was that most of the protest was from people outside Goonswarm. The fact that kenny are just going "GOONS GOONS GOONS" on this will piss people off even more. We even had a member of AAA raging about their name change to BOBR on this very forum. if it was just Goons, CCP would ignore it. It was the fact that it was a general cross eve outcry is the reason that the desision was reversed. it was Kenny vs eve and Kenny lost, but since their only argument was "lol whiney goons" they didn;t deserve to win any argument imo. Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: eldaec on March 26, 2009, 05:32:57 AM I don't know about that, there were quite a few goons trolling in just the right way to keep the third party posts rolling in without resorting to emorage.
Constantwhine in particular had a bad forum war, staying firmly on the wrong side of the issue and attempting, but failing, to troll goons and looking like an even more whiny twat that usual. Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Pezzle on March 26, 2009, 05:49:21 AM A large amount of the protest was from goons. It just so happens that behavior like this annoys cranky old hard liners like myself as well. It was a bad decision. CCP needs to pay attention.
Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Fordel on March 26, 2009, 06:06:14 AM Well I'm sure there are many, MANY Corps/Alliances/Players that have begged for simple typo fixes and have been denied and told to simply reform. Really, the name change thing probably effected more EVE players then any of the previous Dev scandals.
Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: VickeVire on March 26, 2009, 07:48:33 AM I think...*snip* You're buying into the Kenny propoganda. *snip* Oh, I'm not gonna argue all other people are whining too. I just want to correct this assessment on your part. I get about 90% of my info from this forum as it usually gives the most important bits out of CAOD forum and all other forums I never visit. Besides here most posters have good perception on what's going on in and out of game f13 being very goon heavy I should have a more goon-friendly view should I not? My EVE experience has mostly been centered in and around NC space so I my direct involvement is sparse. Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Sir T on March 26, 2009, 08:33:24 AM I think...*snip* You're buying into the Kenny propoganda. *snip* Oh, I'm not gonna argue all other people are whining too. I just want to correct this assessment on your part. I get about 90% of my info from this forum as it usually gives the most important bits out of CAOD forum and all other forums I never visit. Besides here most posters have good perception on what's going on in and out of game f13 being very goon heavy I should have a more goon-friendly view should I not? My EVE experience has mostly been centered in and around NC space so I my direct involvement is sparse. Ahh fair enough mate. Sorry if I came across a bit harsh :) Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Moosehands on March 26, 2009, 09:26:56 AM I liked that one Ken guy in the linked thread who suggested Disband of Brothers. Svett is a goon, though he's also a legit Kenzoku member. Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Goumindong on March 26, 2009, 02:15:45 PM T20 As these recent events show, there is possibly still a lot of truth to those views. T20 was the CCP dev in charge of/working on the t2 lottery. Back in the day, he cheated the lottery by giving himself a lot of RP which he then used to claim BPO's. The reason why T20 was so bad wasn't that a dev was cheating for BoB, a dev could cheat for anyone. But it was bad because it was not an isolated incident. Included in these BPO's were a sabre BPO, and a Spike L BPO. Now, on the face of it now, these don't seem that big a deal. But dictors were never cheap and as an alliance asset the ability to have lots of dictors was a big deal. As well, at the time, the Megathron was the Premier sniping battleship which needed tech 2 guns and tech 2 ammo to operate well. Having a BPO to produce ammo was a large advantage in terms of isk and logistics. Anyway, T20 joins BoB after cheating the lottery. On the face of it he is just a cheating dev at this point, not a cheating dev in favor of one alliance over another. However, two things happen. 1. T20 becomes the head of BoB's capital fleet. This is probably the biggest grievance that isn't aired. The head of the most important aspect of sov warfare for an alliance had insider information relating to the operation of cap ships and what was around the bend. A dev in an alliance is no big deal, random plebs cannot influence alliance activities. But when that dev is leading a major part of it, then you've got a big problem. Even if T20 was an honest and upright guy it would be hard to separate his "player acceptable" knowledge with his "Dev knowledge". But T20 was not an honest and upright guy. BoB knew T20 was a dev at that point and were basically in collusion with him to grant insider knowledge. Had they known he was a dev and not given him director status and refused the use of his assets, it would have likely been no big deal 2. T20 was using his ill gotten gains from the t2 lottery to produce for the corp. It would be hard to say that they didn't have an economic advantage with a guy on their side producing stuff from ill gotten gains even if they didn't get any direct advantages from it, but since he was producing for the corp its flat out impossible to say so. Then T20 got found out(all the leadership in BoB knew before T20 was set as the head of their capital fleet) and had to leave BoB. Much gnashing of teeth was had and T20 leaves the alliance. This is long before the issue is public knowledge. T20 is "punished internally for cheating". Keep in mind, as of this point, CCP knows that T20 cheated, it was why he had gotten found out. Also keep in mind that the "punishment" that he received was never made public, but he was not fired. And, most importantly, the BPO's that he had acquired were not removed from the game, when he left BoB, he gave them to BoB for them to produce with. Six Months Later, Kugutsumen hits. And it all becomes public. CCP won't punish T20 more because "it wouldn't be fair to punish him twice", even though what his punishment was not disclosed. This is the point where the BPO's were removed from BoB. Kugutsumen was banned using a obscure part of the EULA (anyone that causes CCP "undue cost" is in breach and can have their accounts terminated) and life went on. ___________________ tl;dr CCP catch cheater(T20), but continue to let him cheat for BoB for 6 months(Cheated BPO's known about but not removed) until a whistle blower brings it into public light, where-in they ban the whistle blower and do not punish the cheater. Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Amarr HM on March 27, 2009, 06:57:35 AM (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics/news3/LeaveItToBeaver_S1LE.jpg)
Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Amarr HM on March 27, 2009, 07:16:36 AM Before that gets put in the Den, did I hear correctly they reneged their ticker after the bobr=beaver debacle?
Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: eldaec on March 27, 2009, 08:21:50 AM They were [.BoB.] by the time everyone noticed something was up.
Which is also remarkable for being the only ticker ever to have a lower case character. I suspect the [BOBR] ticker was a myth. Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Sir T on March 27, 2009, 08:33:11 AM They were [.BoB.] by the time everyone noticed something was up. Which is also remarkable for being the only ticker ever to have a lower case character. I suspect the [BOBR] ticker was a myth. BOBR was Band Of Brothers Reloaded, and if you take the first letters of each word it was BOBR which translates in russian characters to the russian word for Beaver. Basicly lots of their allies spotted it as well as their enemies, and there was no way it could be hushed up or stopped when 1/3 of the people involves start laughing their ass off at the same time. Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Furiously on March 27, 2009, 11:37:07 AM Does it carry the same sexual connotation in Russian?
Title: Re: 10 KenZoku, 20 BoBR, 30 GOTO 10 Post by: Pax on March 27, 2009, 12:22:55 PM Does it carry the same sexual connotation in Russian? No, in slavic languages it's only the animal. |