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Title: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: McCow on March 18, 2009, 12:52:20 PM A interesting post on the official forums that goes into discussion of what is behind the casting lag followed by two dev responses (one from Mark)
WAR Forum post: http://forums.warhammeronline.com/warhammer/board/message?board.id=bugs_careers&thread.id=1136 (http://forums.warhammeronline.com/warhammer/board/message?board.id=bugs_careers&thread.id=1136) Original VN post: http://vnboards.ign.com/warhammer_online_age_of_reckoning_general_board/b22997/110505193/p1 (http://vnboards.ign.com/warhammer_online_age_of_reckoning_general_board/b22997/110505193/p1) Some highlights: 1) People really don't understand latency. 2) Mythic really doesn't have any idea how to fix the client/server lag. (ie: not going to be fixed soon) 3) Mythic coded in a knee jerk reaction without thinking for the consequences (Mythic seconds) 4) Mark throws PTS testers under the bus. Quote If you were part of the PTS (or saw the feedback from it) when we tested this fix in 1.06 I think, feedback was very positive. The feedback we've had since, especially in high load/latency situations as been different. We wouldn't have put in that change originally if feedback on it was bad. That's one of the reasons we desperately want people to get on to the PTS when we put up new versions so we can see how things will play under close to LIVE conditions. Quote of the first post in the spoiler. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Bismallah on March 18, 2009, 01:05:49 PM Why am I not surprised.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Hindenburg on March 18, 2009, 01:16:12 PM :oh_i_see:
That would explain why I was pvp'ing better than usual. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: tazelbain on March 18, 2009, 01:16:29 PM Good stuff. If Mythic was your doctor, he'd put makeup on the rash you visited him for than call you a liar.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Soln on March 18, 2009, 01:23:47 PM Wow. That is bad. Got me thinking....
...honest non-rant'y question: has anyone ever hooked up WAR to a basic Windows test harness? Even freeware for thread pool performance? or memory? I don't own the title otherwise I would. I did it for HG:L and that was enough for me to run away fast (at least 3 bad memory leaks after launch). Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Hindenburg on March 18, 2009, 01:33:01 PM I'd be willing to give it a shot, got a link to the thingie?
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Ingmar on March 18, 2009, 02:16:28 PM 3 star ability FTW.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Arthur_Parker on March 18, 2009, 02:28:24 PM Bending time - Easy
Game Design - Hard Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Montague on March 18, 2009, 02:38:07 PM Quote layertimerwindow.lua posted: Here we use the new Mythic seconds, fool the user that a second is longer than a real second (averaging in latency) Quote Colin S. posted: The comment block found within the script is not just inappropriate it is also just simply wrong. BURN THE HERETIC!!!! Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Lantyssa on March 18, 2009, 02:40:15 PM What he failed to mention is that it is wrong because the user wasn't fooled.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: fuser on March 18, 2009, 03:20:42 PM I'm more bamboozled that the guy made a binary change to his client and hasn't been banned :grin:
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: waffel on March 18, 2009, 04:28:45 PM lulzhammer. it keeps delivering.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Chockonuts on March 18, 2009, 06:04:13 PM "Here we use the new Mythic seconds, fool the user".
They put the period in way too late in the sentence. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: schild on March 18, 2009, 06:10:40 PM Here we use the new Mythic Math, fool the user into the the subscription base is bigger than expected (averaging in bullshit).
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Der Helm on March 18, 2009, 07:47:28 PM This is so much fun, downloading the free trial right now.
I am drunk (again). :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: UnSub on March 18, 2009, 08:12:53 PM This is so much fun, downloading the free trial right now. I am drunk (again). :awesome_for_real: You'll regret it in the morning. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Der Helm on March 18, 2009, 08:39:44 PM This is so much fun, downloading the free trial right now. I am drunk (again). :awesome_for_real: You'll regret it in the morning. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Fordel on March 18, 2009, 10:08:53 PM Remember, this IS the company that gave us DoubleFrost math.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Der Helm on March 19, 2009, 02:53:36 AM 71% after roundabout 10 hours.
Go Mythic! :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Bismallah on March 19, 2009, 03:31:20 AM Remember, this IS the company that gave us DoubleFrost math. Tabled: Need Specifics Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Fordel on March 19, 2009, 03:52:27 AM Remember, this IS the company that gave us DoubleFrost math. Tabled: Need Specifics :angryfist: Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Bismallah on March 19, 2009, 09:04:40 AM Want even better Mythicmath? Remember the armor changes they made mid way through the game? Midgard leather was weak to not only slash but fire? Yeah that put the F-U in fun.
Wonder who had the tables on that bullshit? Sure, let's give Infs a chance to make 20% more damage to SBs... awesome. Dragonfang was already laughable. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Der Helm on March 19, 2009, 09:08:17 AM Download finished, rolled a greenskin.
What the fuck is up with that 1-2 second delay on everything ? Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: tazelbain on March 19, 2009, 09:13:26 AM You are being stunned by all the fun you are having.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Lantyssa on March 19, 2009, 09:41:03 AM What the fuck is up with that 1-2 second delay on everything ? We just went over this. It's only half a second.Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Nevermore on March 19, 2009, 09:59:51 AM Want even better Mythicmath? Remember the armor changes they made mid way through the game? Midgard leather was weak to not only slash but fire? Yeah that put the F-U in fun. Wonder who had the tables on that bullshit? Sure, let's give Infs a chance to make 20% more damage to SBs... awesome. Dragonfang was already laughable. You mean Dragonfang, the thrusting attack? And Midgard leather was resistant to thrust. Sounds like someone is still stewing over the Left Axe nerf. :raspberry: Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Soulflame on March 19, 2009, 10:02:55 AM Is someone confusing rangers with infiltrators?
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Der Helm on March 19, 2009, 10:24:10 AM What the fuck is up with that 1-2 second delay on everything ? We just went over this. It's only half a second.Or picking up barrels. I feel the grind already (Lvl 4). Not good. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Nebu on March 19, 2009, 10:32:38 AM In pvp a half second IS a big deal. We used to tweak gear in templates to gain a half second in casting time and it would often alter the outcome of close fights. On another note, casting lag will even further the chasm between melee and cast dps and will make my life as a healer even worse than it is already.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: schild on March 19, 2009, 10:33:17 AM In pvp a half second IS a big deal. We used to tweak gear in templates to gain a half second in casting time and it would often alter the outcome of close fights. On another note, casting lag will even further the chasm between melee and cast dps and will make my life as a healer even worse than it is already. You're still playing?Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Nebu on March 19, 2009, 10:35:42 AM Goes like this.
Played at release. Cancelled. Played the 10 day trial. Cancelled. Got an AIM from an old DAoC friend recently and resubbed to play healer for them. Mostly I play LotRO. Every once in a while I'll play WAR to chat. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Bismallah on March 19, 2009, 10:37:24 AM You mean Dragonfang, the thrusting attack? And Midgard leather was resistant to thrust. Sounds like someone is still stewing over the Left Axe nerf. :raspberry: Sorry meant to have those on separate thoughts, I'll hit enter next time between changing thoughts. -Dragonfang Thrust specced Infs already gave SBs and NSs headaches. -When they re-did the armor tables so Slash specced Infs could use Legendary Heaters it sucked doubly so. On topic, they've already locked the old cast lag thread on the VN, now they are threatening to lock the new one too! Heh. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Nevermore on March 19, 2009, 10:41:02 AM That's ok, I'm sure there'll be a lively discussion about it on the WAR official forums. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Nebu on March 19, 2009, 10:42:25 AM The official WAR forums are sure to contain a brand of denial you'll only find on the Darkfall forums.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Nevermore on March 19, 2009, 10:56:00 AM I'm curious how he managed to use a hacked client on the live servers, though. Makes one wonder if there are any other hacked clients that could work with the live servers.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: schild on March 19, 2009, 10:58:29 AM Goes like this. Vote with your wallet.Played at release. Cancelled. Played the 10 day trial. Cancelled. Got an AIM from an old DAoC friend recently and resubbed to play healer for them. Mostly I play LotRO. Every once in a while I'll play WAR to chat. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Nebu on March 19, 2009, 11:17:45 AM Vote with your wallet. I can't argue with you. Nostalgia is taking me for $15 a month. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Der Helm on March 19, 2009, 01:37:02 PM Tempted to write a short "But is it Fun?" about my look at Warhammer ... :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: schild on March 19, 2009, 01:38:01 PM Don't waste your breath.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Nebu on March 19, 2009, 01:39:54 PM Tempted to write a short "But is it Fun?" about my look at Warhammer ... :why_so_serious: WAR is like golf. 1 min of fun for every 5 hours of frustration. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: schild on March 19, 2009, 01:40:53 PM Tempted to write a short "But is it Fun?" about my look at Warhammer ... :why_so_serious: WAR is like golf. 1 min of fun for every 5 hours of frustration. And 20 minutes of walking. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Tannhauser on March 19, 2009, 02:49:05 PM Vote with your wallet. I can't argue with you. Nostalgia is taking me for $15 a month. Heh, I read that as "Nostalga is tanking me..." Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Soln on March 19, 2009, 03:51:32 PM Mythic Dev response on WHA (http://forums.warhammeronline.com/warhammer/board/message?board.id=bugs_careers&thread.id=1136)via FoH
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Der Helm on March 19, 2009, 05:25:14 PM Don't waste your breath. Well, I am good at writing, especially when I am drunk :awesome_for_real:Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: lamaros on March 19, 2009, 08:00:52 PM Mythic Dev response on WHA (http://forums.warhammeronline.com/warhammer/board/message?board.id=bugs_careers&thread.id=1136)via FoH Quote I frequently will take some time from my day to pause and read through the forums because, as we all do here at Mythic, I value the opinion of our players and what they think or feel about the game. For anyone that works in the games industry – particularly in the field of MMOs – you know it’s a labor of love, not a classic 9-to-5 job. We work on games because we are passionate about them, we care about our players, and at our core we are gamers through and through. :uhrr: Imagine if someone gave you that rubbish every time you were introduced to them. Punches would be thrown. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: schild on March 19, 2009, 08:02:53 PM He works for EA, that's a 9-5 job.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Chockonuts on March 19, 2009, 08:07:33 PM Mythic Dev response on WHA (http://forums.warhammeronline.com/warhammer/board/message?board.id=bugs_careers&thread.id=1136)via FoH Quote I frequently will take some time from my day to pause and read through the forums because, as we all do here at Mythic, I value the opinion of our players and what they think or feel about the game. For anyone that works in the games industry – particularly in the field of MMOs – you know it’s a labor of love, not a classic 9-to-5 job. We work on games because we are passionate about them, we care about our players, and at our core we are gamers through and through. :uhrr: Imagine if someone gave you that rubbish every time you were introduced to them. Punches would be thrown. Just smacks of: "And lastly, I'd like to thank all the little people who..." Oy. EDIT: That's probably a bit harsh. I didn't realize that he probably has a gun pointed at his head as he types that Hanoi style... apologies. Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: IainC on March 20, 2009, 01:47:31 AM Mythic Dev response on WHA (http://forums.warhammeronline.com/warhammer/board/message?board.id=bugs_careers&thread.id=1136)via FoH Wasn't that already posted on the first page? People are even quoting from it there.Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: Lantyssa on March 20, 2009, 08:36:10 AM Yes, it was. I thought something had been added and I missed it, but I guess not.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: rk47 on March 21, 2009, 07:03:57 AM The casting lags pisses me off so much on swordmasters and chosens so much cause their playstyle demands you execute different moves for a more effective cycle. I tried Bright Wizard once and realized instant casts are the only way to survive and deal damage, unless if I prefer to stand still, finish a spell and die before the aoe root can get off the cast lag.
So I checked back my RR50 Chosen and saw they improved the Aura twisting incentive. It's also hilarious when they gave the Chosen a 'one button - no cooldown' 360 degree aoe build. There's almost no point in using other attacks anymore when you can just hit more than 10 targets at once. Rending Strike, Quake & Blastwaves etc. Enjoy it while it last imo (10 days for me) Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: schild on March 21, 2009, 08:17:36 AM You're still playing? RR50? Jesus man. Wallet, vote with it.
Title: Re: Casting Lag (Now with more MythicSeconds) Post by: rk47 on March 21, 2009, 08:46:19 AM :grin: I did schild. I let my cousin play and pay for it till he got bored at RR 50.
At the end of his 1st month he didn't resub. I quit at my 1st free month (BUT I BOUGHT A 2 MONTH TIME CARD TO REGISTER MY ACCOUNT FUCK ME) :heartbreak: I gave it a 10 day look and that was my 1 day impression. Yeah they tweaked my class a bit. But the game's still the same. I remember walking into my cousin's room and seeing him playing PSP while his Chosen was parked at the keep gates. "Wtf are you doing?" "Free RP" "Step off so I can post this on the forum" "Sure :why_so_serious: " |